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@Discipulus_Didicit
Being a noob is all the more reason to read up as much as you can. Either he is trolling or extremely incompetent. Either warrants a modkill if he’s gong to copy paste his role pm
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@420-1776
What's wrong with that?
You know what? I think you’re just trolling at this point. You created an alt for satire, and have had your fun, and now you just want out of the game. Congrats.
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420 is def going to be misled. As much as I want a lynch, I really don’t like the idea of two deaths in one DP.
Looks like Pie and his teammate are getting what they want.
VTNL
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@Lunatic
@420-1776
Oh you have got to be kidding me.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Savant
@WyIted
You were fine with it last night it. What changed?
Enough changed. That’s what.
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@420-1776
It means I want you the read the DP, and then give ur thoughts on who you think is what
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@Discipulus_Didicit
lmao already got it before I saw this
Thx
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I really do not want to lynch Whiteflame.
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@whiteflame
Not sure what this is in response to, but... alright.
It should be obvious to you… go back and look
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@ILikePie5
Where did this talk of a Bomb even come up? This talk of a bomb is very interesting to me.
Let’s just say it just makes sense.
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@420-1776
Ok. Please try to get something posted before the DP ends, ty
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@ILikePie5
None of what you said debunks anything I said. OMGUS is funny tho
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@420-1776
give ur thoughts anyway. Say where ur confused if you are.
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That was worded stupidly. I’m saying that if I’m a mod, I’d rather get someone not in the game to replace than someone who was just in the game and died, but the latter is better than not replacing
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@whiteflame
Lynching 420 is just the lazy choice at this point, and frankly still feels very unwarranted and runs counter to most reads on him. I'd prefer replacing him for future DPs instead, though I know that comes with its own problem of trying to find another player to take over.
Yeah, that’s why I said a dead townie can take over for 420. Looking at it from a mod perspective, it’s not preferable to finding someone completely new to this specific game of mafia to replace in, but it’s better than keeping him in
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@Discipulus_Didicit
We are dangerously close to a no lynch. This is why I don't like waiting for the last minute.
Forgot to address this.
I see ur point but I still think we have enough tome. Plus, I wouldn’t have found what I did about Pie if some had hammered last night
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@whiteflame
I did say a possible teammate for Pie couldn’t be established conclusively… but I didn’t say one couldn’t be established at all.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Reason being is that idt a teammate for Pie can really be established conclusively at this point.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am very much ok with lynching Pie over Whiteflame
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@Savant
At the very least, you’ll have a more detailed window into my my thought process
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@Savant
Look at everything I have posted today after Lunatic’s latest vote count. Read between the lines. If you do that, you have a reason to think I am town.
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@WyIted
My brain personally does shortcuts like thisLunatic- game could end earlyMe- NP1 is early maybe it could end NP1How I relay information might beMe- lunatic said game could end on np1
I know that’s possible in theory, but I don’t know why Pie would ever think the game could end on NP1 and be scared of that. He should know the town can’t possibly lose that quickly.
I think that he saw a warning of a potential bomb from Lunatic, and said “oh damn I gotta watch for that”…. Then, when the time came to say why he didn’t want to wait for your claim, the confusion happened and he slipped
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@WyIted
read what I said about the potential scum slip and lmk plz
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Oh, you’re also already looking at Pie more. Word.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Savant
@WyIted
I think I found a scum slip, see above and lmk
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I think I may have found a scum slip.
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Post #71: (paraphrased)
Wylted: I’ll give you my claim next DP
Pie: No because Lunatic said the game could end NP1
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The problem? Lunatic never said that. I checked all of his posts up to that point. He said the game could end quickly for either side, but he never said NP1.
I’ve been feeling that Pie was irrationally and unusually scared ever since he started to promote the idea of a VTNL, but this might be why.
The only real way Pie can say that Lunatic said the game could end NP1 is, hear me out:
1. It were true.
2. It was privately confirmed to Pie.
3. That there is something potentially lethal to scum that Lunatic wanted to warn them about because he feels that it would otherwise be unfair; for example, a bomb.
That’s my new theory. In this context, a lot of the weird bacon from Pie that rubbed me the wrong way makes a lot more sense too.
VTL Pie
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@ILikePie5
If this game is that swingy, that doesn’t mean town can lose NP1 like you fear. That’s likely mafia that can lose that quickly.
The soonest I can see us losing is NP2. Knowing it’s a 9 player game, the soonest town can lose normally would be DP3, but I can see some weird stuff happening that allows mafia to end the game on NP2. I remember in another Lunatic game (MMA Mafia, where I was scum), Whiteflame and I abused it for the win.
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@Barney
420 won't do any good sitting there being idle. If anyone knows of an inbound replacement, great, but if not he should be our kill.If we don't kill him, every day we'll have one less vote, even while the votes needed will stay the same. This gives scum too much control.
I hate it but if he really isn’t going to do anything all game long I can see where you’re coming from and the idea is something to consider. However, I think we should give Lunatic at least until DP2 to find someone to replace. I haven’t seen it done in a while, but maybe a dead townie can replace.
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@420-1776
Also, stop playing scared. Tell us what you think of others.
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hold on tho I still disagree with disc on hammering now.
Unvote
to be safe
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In short, I want the best DP2 possible, and am willing to have a mislynch DP1 to get it. I prefer a correct lynch, but really hate a no lynch.
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@ILikePie5
@Discipulus_Didicit
Also, Disc’s explanation is pretty good, maybe better than mine
Understand now, Pie?
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@ILikePie5
Forgot to type out the last paragraph I was thinking of.
We don’t want cloudiness, we want clarity. Actions speak louder than words, and if we want to look back at DP1 in a meaningful way, we need to lock everyone into actions that they can be analyzed for in the future. If I’m mafia and I just say something without doing it, I can come up with some WIFOM bs that justifies whatever I said in the future. If I actually did something to go along my actions, I become a lot easier for town to read. This is also true for townies, but I think the concept is more prominent when talking about mafiosos.
We don’t want cloudiness, we want clarity. Actions speak louder than words, and if we want to look back at DP1 in a meaningful way, we need to lock everyone into actions that they can be analyzed for in the future. If I’m mafia and I just say something without doing it, I can come up with some WIFOM bs that justifies whatever I said in the future. If I actually did something to go along my actions, I become a lot easier for town to read. This is also true for townies, but I think the concept is more prominent when talking about mafiosos.
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@ILikePie5
Mafia is a game of compounded knowledge. If we get poor information from DP1, we can expect to make poor decisions in DP2, and future DPs to a lesser extent. While whatever we do in DP2 gives a chance at correcting our DP1 mistakes in DP3, we will be on the back foot, and barring any significant blunders from the mafia team, every decision we makes from that point onward must be correct. Conversely, if we gain good information DP1, then we won’t be as likely to be in a bad spot come DP3.
The problem with relying too much on NP1 to gain information here is that mafia largely dictates the bulk of the information we receive from a NP- the flip. They will get to pick whoever they want out of the game, and it will either be a player whose flip gives town little relevant information, or a player who can gain town way more information in the future if they stay alive.
While mafia can influence a lynch during the day, town at least has a lot more agency over who gets eliminated when they discuss who they want lynched, and actually doing it. If we spend all day saying who we want to lynch and then lynch no one, we were all just blowing a bunch of smoke up each others’ asses. And that can make the next DP… cloudy.
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We have a train, but we also have 15ish hours. Do not hammer here, you will look scummy. If we all wake up at around 7-9 in our respective tome zones, we’ll be able to gather our final thoughts and make a decision in time.
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@ILikePie5
Information. I think a lack of a conclusion to this DP would be harmful to us. We’d fail to get the information from a lynch meanwhile mafia will have wiped a townie out of the pool. Sure, we’ll have night actions to look at, but mafia will have just used their own to help with their agenda. It won’t be much but a new flavor to the same discussions.
Barring something like a 3v1 MYLO, if I have the chance to lynch mafia at the risk of mislynching town, I will take it. Ideally we’d see mafia get lynched this DP so that we have their numbers reduced along with the information to along with it, but if we lynch and are wrong, at least we didn’t stand there and do nothing while the scum team dictates the flow of the game.
Sure, town has PRs they can use in the night and mafia has things they can say during the day. But the fact remains that town is strongest playing around the day phase and mafia is strongest playing around the night phase. Let’s play to our strengths.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I absolutely hate the idea of VTNLing here. I hate it far more than a mislynch.
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@whiteflame
@Savant
If anyone has any more fair points about a case for Whiteflame and/or Savant being innocent, now would be a good time to let me know. Tagging them in this so they may try and strengthen their defenses.
The thing is, my mind and gut are saying two different things. My mind doesn't think their defenses are tenable, but my gut hates the prospect of lynching someone who says they can self-confirm and someone who is a claimed an un-CC'd cop. Going back to my chess analogy, I'm looking for a refutation to the move my mind likes but my gut hates. I will favor my mind in the end, but until then I don't want to cast my gut feelings away.
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I don’t see it as yet in towns best interest to do a mass full claim. For one thing, the mystery messes with scum.
I do like this from Barney.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
His tunneling of pie seems like potential town behavior to me. I don't agree with the pie scum read but there is the thought that if Savant was scum he would see it was going nowhere and back off of it
Interesting.
How long has Casey been playing? I get the impression that they aren't a noob but might not have as much experience as some others here either.
True, but I think he's already pretty good... he did win that last game as mafia.
Everything else you said is fair, but not really new to me.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
To answer you earlier tag, Whiteflame and Savant. Had Barney in my scum pile earlier (and I still don't really like some of his behavior), but I think the cases against Whiteflame and Savant are objectively stronger. As you can see from my vote, I prefer Whiteflame.
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