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@WyIted
The whole reason I wanted to leave was to create a new account, to return later. Still thinking about it, I just want to change my username and the email address associated with my account. I just asked Barney if there's a way to change that without starting a new account.
Regardless, I'm getting pretty busy IRL so I won't be around often.
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@Truth_Over_Proof
Are you SERIOUSLY going to just give in like that? The so-called EVIDENCE in question is just a video showing that there were people being gestured to. IS THAT ALL IT TAKES TO SWAY YOU!
Conceding one specific piece of evidence when I gave multiple is not going to result in me destroying my own argument.
I am not afraid of being wrong. Are you?
Videos can be altered. Have you ever heard of Photoshop?
Yes… do you have any evidence the video was photoshopped?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I can tolerate opposing opinions as long as those opinions are informed opinions.
We all know you don’t see any opposing viewpoints as well informed. Thanks for the admission, lol.
The rest of your blather wasn’t worth responding to. It was more of the same justification, insults and straw men.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That’s completely counter to what Christians believe. Christians believe morality matters. Character matters. The problem is most Christians don’t live their so called beliefs.
Did I say they didn’t matter? No, I said they are second to policy, when deciding on a candidate whose policies can affect lives all around the world. This is exactly what I’m talking about when I say you can’t interpret arguments properly.
Yes, Biden has integrity.
Nepotistic business in Ukraine a such a display of integrity, isn’t it? So is sniffing kids’ hair, telling black voters their blackness depends on who they vote for, and letting your son smoke crack in the White House, apparently.
That’s why he has never been banned from running a charity.
Banned by people who have a political agenda against him lol.
He’s never been divorced
Good for Biden. He’s not 100% a failure. His stable marriage is one of the few things he has over Trump lol.
He never faked a disability to get out of the draft.
You have no proof the bone spurs were fake lol.
He hasn’t had dozens of his inner circle convicted of felonies in business and politics.
That’s easy when those who could convict the people in your circle are on your side.
He hasn’t amassed 30,000 lies and false statements in 4 years like Trump did.
I’m not going to pretend he’s always honest, let alone always right, but that’s a hilariously inflated number.
No “new evidence”. It’s the same video you always looked at.
After looking closer, I saw something in video that was new to me, that I hadn’t noticed the last time I saw the video months ago.
At least I’m open minded enough to admit my mistakes.
I think anyone who comes to ridiculous conclusions is a village idiot. I think people who can’t exercise critical thinking skills are village idiots.
So, anyone who disagrees with you, except you can’t seem to say it outright. Lol.
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@Greyparrot
Those first two are fine examples lol. I just conceded one specific example.
#3 could just be him pointing, and #4 isn't a problem. I don't see anything wrong with telling people you're about to hit the hay.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Why have a profile if it’s not going to be read? The purpose of the profile is to get an idea of the user’s background.
That background is to be used to get an idea of someone's positions on issues, or to simply get to know them. It is not meant to be used for personal attacks lol. But hold on, lemme adjust my profile so you know what to attack me on.
You’re a Christian and a Trump supporter. You support a man who fundamentally lacks integrity and has no respect for, or knowledge of, Christianity or any other religion. That makes you a fool.
And Biden does? Lol. I'm not going to pretend Trump is a bastion for morality. But I'm all about policy first. Character second. The candidate who will do the better job is the one with the better policies. Plain and simple. The candidate who doesn't will cause more harm to a nation than any mean tweets or past infidelity.
It’s case in point, genius.
Noted. You know what's also noted? The fact that you can't even issue a correction without some sort of insult. Case in point, again.
Are these all “case and points”? Lol
Non-argument.
What a moron you are. Biden is gesturing to the people to his right, he is not attempting to shake an invisible hand. You are pathetic. This is typical Republican fake scandal nonsense.
And I conceded that specific piece of evidence already, after seeing new evidence (thanks to Double_R, who can have a discussion without being a jerk) if you could stop raging for a second and read the posts around you, that would be great.
This is the kind of thing that only uneducated, Jerry Springer type audiences, would accept. The dummies of America. Now known as the MAGA Morons.
Non-argument.
Am I supposed to debate this with you? Should normal people spend time trying to explain things to the village idiots? No, it’s best to just make them aware that they are dummies and hope they realize they should just cut the grass and not try to offer their silly opinions.
Lol. You think anyone who disagrees with you on anything is a "village idiot." When we try to prove we are not, you close your ears and scream "la la la I can't hear you!" like a child.
You have convinced yourself you are right so much that you have closed your mind. Then, you take it another step further. Not only are you right and nothing can change your mind, but anyone who is wrong is not a misguided intellectual, but an idiot. On those grounds, you refuse to debate them, and never realize how intelligent some people actually are. You can say "I know you're an idiot because of what you say, so I don't need to debate you" but that's no good, since your mind is so closed you can't even properly interpret one's arguments, as demonstrated earlier in this thread. Your confirmation bias is so deep you don't even realize the mental echo chamber you've trapped yourself in.
Also, if there are so many village idiots, what's the point of being on this site? To tell them not to offer their opinions? Clearly that hasn't worked (many people you view as idiots are still here), so why bother with an exercise so pointless?
Furthermore, what happens if everyone you rage at leaves this site? Who are YOU going to give your opinions to then? People who already agree with you, since that's all that'll be left at that point. That's just an even bigger echo chamber. But hey, that's probably what you've wanted all along, since you clearly can't tolerate opposing opinions. They make you feel unsafe.
Again, a guy of your education level should stick to cutting grass or some other low skill task. You are no doctor or speech therapist. You never even graduated college and you believe in God which isn’t exactly a sign of intelligence.
As far as I know, neither you nor BK are speech therapists, either. And the rest of this garbage text is a non-argument.
Really? What kind of Republican are you then? A RINO?
One who doesn't like Fox News, since I recognize the fact that partisan bias has tainted national media on both the left and right. Fox News is right sometimes, but it also spews so much BS that real reasons to believe in conservative viewpoints are overlooked.
Anyway, do you have anything intellectually compelling to provide? Or are we done here?
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@Double_R
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If Biden did this you know republicans would be talking about it all the way to election day.
I'm sure Fox News would, but I am not one of those Republicans.
Never happened. But when you have a narrative to sell...
After looking closer at the clip, yeah he's definitely gesturing to the people off to the side. I'll concede that one piece of evidence. The rest however, still stands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59agcnLAj4&ab_channel=TheTelegraph
He is declining mentally, that's normal for a man in his 80's and concerning for a presidential candidate. But if we're comparing him to the man he's likely running against, it doesn't compare. At least Biden knows WW2 is over.
You are correct: It doesn't compare. Biden is far worse. As for the WWII remark, that's another Sioux Falls/City-type moment. Excusable. He knows the WWII is over, he meant to say WWIII.
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@Lemming
Interesting theory, but definitely not true. Jephthah definitely is guilty of the sin of human sacrifice. The greater message and context of Judges also points to this, even without taking the words “burnt offering” into account.
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@Best.Korea
That’s a nice way of saying, “I can’t prove my claim and I want to look like I’m winning here.”
Here is a clip of a younger Biden speaking: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cCZ5_XwqchE&pp=ygUWWW91bmcgYmlkZW4gc3R1dHRlcmluZw%3D%3D He even stutters a little bit in this clip. And guess what? It’s the normal stutter. So it is true, in fact, that his stuttering HAS gotten worse, and therefore, can be used as an example of his declining mental ability.
Not only have I fulfilled my BoP, you have failed to fulfill yours. You are wrong. Admit it.
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@Greyparrot
Fair enough.
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So you had a MAGA brain fart.
No, you just didn’t see the word “normally” (or at least didn’t pay enough attention to it).
I dont need to prove you wrong. You need to prove yourself right.
It should be a given fact that normal stuttering looks like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jk3AtlfWKQ&pp=ygUYd2hhdCBpcyBub3JtYWwgc3V0dGVyaW5n (there’s your proof by the way)
Since this is normal, the burden of proof to prove Biden’s stuttering hasn’t gotten worse is on you.
God, it’s like I am an advanced civilization playing versus a tribe.
Then it should be easy for you to fulfill your BoP, right? Still waiting.
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@Greyparrot
His second one was in 1988. https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/04/us/biden-resting-after-surgery-for-second-brain-aneurysm.html
Maybe that’s a part of his declining cognitive state today, maybe it’s not. I don’t think we need to overstate our case here; I think the examples I provided are proof enough.
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@Best.Korea
I said “normally.” I didn’t say it was the only way to stutter. I’m saying that it’s his current type of stuttering is far worse than normal, and it’s unlikely his younger self stuttered like that. Again, you can prove me wrong by finding a clip of his younger self stuttering like that.
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@FLRW
Perhaps lol. But I think we may need those generals to stay generals if WWIII breaks out.
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@Best.Korea
When p-people s-s-stutter, t-they norm-mally t-talk like t-this.
They don’t normally talk like thirjsdncndkdcndndx… you know, the thing!
It appears even his stuttering has gotten worse, which still makes it a sign of declining mental ability.
Tell you what. If you can find example of a much younger Biden talking like thidnsxncndnd, then you have a point and I will concede that example. However, it won’t erase the other examples I provided.
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@FLRW
Former President Donald Trump apparently forgot the name of the city he was appearing in during a Sunday campaign speech in Sioux City, Iowa. "Hello to a place where we’ve done very well, Sioux Falls. Thank you very much," Trump told the audience on Sunday. Sioux Falls, a city in the neighboring South Dakota, is more than 80 miles north.Doesn't Trump belong in a nursing home?
Interesting question. I say no. Sioux City and Sioux Falls sound very similar, so it’s excusable to get the two confused momentarily.
But looking dazed after trying to shake hands with an invisible man, now that’s something to be concerned about. It would be one thing if Biden went to shake someone’s hand, saw he wasn’t there anymore, said to himself something like “oh, I guess I didn’t notice he moved, nevermind,” and then turned back to the audience. Instead, he notices the guy isn’t there, and then proceeds to look like he’s completely lost.
And that’s not even the lone example we have of Biden’s declining mental ability. We’ve seen that time he started walking off the sidewalk despite a secret service member pointing out where the sidewalk turns, that time he flipped over his notes card, that time he randomly fell off his bike, that time he got his wife and sister confused, and various times when he failed to form a coherent sentence.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You were obviously referring to that comment by the other MAGA Moron.
I don’t know what I said that would make you think this, but I was not. The fact you are putting words into my mouth should tell you to take a step back, and slowly think about what the other person is saying. Instead, you will angrily type at monitor, even scanning my profile for things to personally attack me on. As per the usual.
Gee, you said the same thing to BK.
Yes, I do have a pattern of calling out people who get in the way of honest debate/discussion. If you don’t like it, perhaps you should end your pattern of getting in the way of honest debate/discussion. Simple as.
You seem to think you are a great judge of what’s right.
I am far from perfect, but I am capable of recognizing toxic behavior. While there have been times where I have slipped up in the past and repaid toxicity with toxicity, my general pattern is to approach conversations being assertive, but not rude. Therefore, I have the right to rebuke people like you.
Your pattern is to immediately insult anyone who disagrees with you, instead of trying to convince them of your beliefs. If I recall, the first sentence you ever said to me on this site contained a childish insult. You continue this behavior today.
Yet somehow you believe in the Bible.
You seem to have a very strong belief there. You should jump into the religion forum and discuss it with people. But why would you ever do that? Your MO is to use it for an unproductive and childish insult. Case and point.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yawn. I didn’t even say anything about FDR. You’re so mad you can’t even think straight, so you’re getting me confused with someone else in this thread. And in all your raging, you have done everything possible to prove me right about you.
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@DebateArt.com
Bro what even is this site now 💀
Mike, you gotta clean this place up. Your site is filled with trolls, toxic partisans, and people who can’t stop frothing at the mouth over the existence of Jews (or Muslims, or Christians, or blacks, or whites… it really varies from asshole to asshole; they all have some demographic they blame for all the world’s problems).
I’m all for free speech, but last I checked the speech we’re supposed to be advertising here is debate and discussion… and the speech we seem to be advertising to new members now is the kind of speech that prevents all of that stuff.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
All bark, no bite. You can act like a big man with your accusations and your shit flinging, but you have no intelligent substance to offer, only a massive non-argument. You know, your usual. How boring.
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@Best.Korea
I’m not sure what you’re implying here, nor do I care. All you’ve done with that statement is prove my point.
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@Best.Korea
Is that a MAGA code for:"If you think, you lose"?
No, I just think threads like these are stupid and show the childish mindset of those who create them.
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@Best.Korea
I can tell. Doesn’t make him pay any rent in your head, though.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Your “source” is literally a sports tabloid article about some wrestler reacting to a trending Twitter hashtag, started by someone who thought they saw something in an image. Yeah, I’m not convinced.
I must say though, it’s so funny to me how petty the left will get when it comes to Trump (remember the whole talk about whether or not he had a toupee?), because they allow him to live in their heads, rent-free.
There’s a difference between the criticisms of Biden’s aging and this thread: One questions the cognitive abilities of a man who looks dazed after trying to shake hands with an invisible man, the other is a rumor coming from the internet equivalent of that gossipy lunch table group from your high school days.
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@Greyparrot
Eh I think that issue is a bit more nuanced than this. First of all, what is "standing with Ukraine?"... Is it moral support, more aid, or boots on the ground? Second of all, while it may be reasonable to ask someone who believes in increased aid if they were willing to pay more taxes, I don't think it's reasonable to ask someone who wants boots on the ground if they would go themselves.
While paying more taxes is inevitable in the event of aid, a draft isn't immediately going to happen if we send some forces in. Paying more taxes is definitely inevitable in the event of the US sending forces in, though.
To be clear, I don't support the idea of sending forces to Ukraine (nor am I happy with the large amount of aid we are giving them), but I think this whole conversation is an easy gateway to accusing someone of cognitive dissonance when all they have is a more nuanced take.
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@Swagnarok
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A great recent example is how liberal city dwellers are reacting to the migrant crisis. While there are some true believers, the revealed preference is that when masses of impoverished and uneducated foreigners are dumped on their streets these self proclaimed sanctuary cities don’t like it too much.
Good ol' Marthas Vineyard. Lol. I guess your example immediately proves my statement above isn't broad enough.
I guess one could say someone who believes weed should be legal but hates the influx of stoners around their town would also fall in this category.
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@Swagnarok
I think this idea only makes sense if someone commits the action they say they want banned. I can't imagine saying someone who doesn't smoke weed believes weed should be illegal by virtue of their actions (or lack of weed-smoking action). Many people value others' freedom to benefit or harm their bodies more than they value enforcing their own moral standards upon others.
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@John_C_87
Well that’s just a fact that the court found abortion was not a constitutional right. What is your take on the issue and why?
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@John_C_87
Could you please clarify, in layman's terms, what your argument is, exactly?
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@John_C_87
There is no legal construct that can define humanity for us. For my definition, I look at the Word of God, and the biological features and functions of the people He created.
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@ponikshiy
I'm not playing your games, Wylted.
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@CoolApe
It's easier said than done to come up with a good concept of personhood. Finding a coherent concept of personhood is a philosophical exercise and a rabbit hole.
Bingo. I remember an old Facebook boomer-type meme that I saw several years ago... it had a picture of Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka in that condescending pose and went something like "Oh, you think life begins at birth? Tell more about the magical properties of the birth canal." Cringy as it was, the dumb meme had a point.
We have many different ideas of what constitute life, all but one of them being arbitrary. Some say after birth, a baby begins to develop self-consciousness, and that is the deciding factor. Others say it's when the heartbeat begins, taking the term "lifeblood" to its most literal sense. And still others say it's when the human shape develops, at which then the child fulfills the basic taxonomy requirements to be considered human. And yet, still others say it's at conception, when the whole process of human growth begins.
To bring any objectivity into this, I assert that we need to understand the natural concept of life by looking into what the female body considers worthy of protection. This is why I believe conception is objectively the beginning of human life. From the moment of conception, that beginning of development is detected by the female body, which then nurtures the fertilized egg until birth. A natural criteria for a natural concept.
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@ponikshiy
Honestly that's even worse. See ya.
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@ponikshiy
They seem like a threat to the lives of the people governing them to me, especially considering the large amounts of cops dead and standoffs
I'm impressed you found an example, since the "Catholic Church being investigated by the FBI" example was a complete dud. Keep in mind, that when I asked for your examples, I was scanning for more BS in your argument, and that you still need to prove this movement has a significant chance at becoming mainstream within Christianity.
Per your admission here...
Not yet but they could be with some finessing
...it already isn't normal, and per your admission here...
We also have examples we can use that could aid white nationalists into both a more digestible form of white nationalism and a path towards normalizing hate within Christianity in the freemen movement that can be found in certain parts of Appalachia
...it isn't even being currently normalized; the best argument you have is that there is a path where white supremacists could use movements driven by anti-Jew conspiracy theories to have a path, that they could use to radicalize some Christians and no other members of other religious affiliations, which could be used to make hate within Christianity more mainstream, which could make hate within Christianity mainstream.
Again, it's all an intellectually weak "what if" argument, but not as weak as this:
Now My sister's are pushing your children to cut off their penises at 8 years old and turning your country into a 3rd world nation through immigration and socialist policies that the 3rd world implements just before their own ruin.
...HUH?! This argument makes no sense; it's laughable even.
Your contention is that Christians could become so radically conservative that they become hateful through the "what if" argument you presented. Now, when I provide with you an example of Christians tearing down hate, you argue ideas being promoted by the progressive left and opposed by the conservative right (including transgenderism, LOL) are the fault of Christians because we pushed for letting women vote 100 years ago, when the ideological makeup of America and the issues of the day were radically different.
That's just wild. I don't even have any words at the moment to explain why this argument is stupid, but I do think the argument speaks for itself on that fact.
Also, based on an opinion expressed by another user in this thread, I have a feeling you are just a troll. If that's the case, you failed at trolling me. Unless, of course, you believe the goal of trolling is getting people to laugh at you.
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@Intelligence_06
The whole "Russian woman looking for an American man" is also pretty weird, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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@Reece101
Do you argue that anyone who believes in an Abrahamic religion is potentially an inherent threat?
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@Intelligence_06
Just saw this... you implying this user is a Wylted alt?
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@ponikshiy
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@Reece101
It is a form of addressing it. If they have a problem with my made-up logic, they should recognize it's their own logic and understand why their logic is stupid.
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Inter Miami def winning the championship. I don't know how my Chicago Fire are doing right now, but they're probably near the bottom of the table.
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It is easier for society to attack social darwinism. However the left would struggle to attack an entire religion as it would make them look and feel bigoted.Observe the backlash the FBI recently received for looking into radical traditionalist catholics.
The backlash is because traditional Catholics are being associated with domestic terrorism. This idea that Catholics are being radicalized (what even is considered radical by FBI, anyway?) stems from the left's politically motivated paranoia- or probably the exploitation of it.
At this point, I feel this aspect of the conversation belongs in the politics forum.
We also have examples we can use that could aid white nationalists into both a more digestible form of white nationalism and a path towards normalizing hate within Christianity in the freemen movement that can be found in certain parts of Appalachia
1. Cite your examples, I have a feeling your examples may not be as radical or scary as you're making them sound. If the FBI can label a social media picture of a an AR-15 and rosary as a sign that "OmG tHE CaTHOliCs aRe BEcomInG DoMEstIC TerROrisTs," then I have into call into question how much "white nationalism" is actually present in your examples.
2. We have many more examples in recent history of Christians following the Bible and tearing down oppression. I'll give a quick few: Abolitionist movement and Civil rights era movements; various international efforts to "Make disciples of all nations" (as we are called to do in Matthew 28:19) in spite of governments that oppress other races, women, and religions that are not state-approved; women's voting rights being promoted by Christian women to the point where Christian men eventually agreed.
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@Reece101
Survival of the fittest refers to the best adapted to ones environment. Violent conflict is just one piece of Darwinian evolution. Communication is another piece.
A conversation for another day. My point here is that it's ridiculously easy to speculate the worst of a viewpoint and then claim people who believe said viewpoint are going to commit atrocities (or that the risk of people committing atrocities is too high), so the viewpoint should be dropped altogether. It's not a very intellectually compelling tactic.
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@ponikshiy
Those attempts at finessing by some wolves in sheep's clothing are why Christians need to study their Bible and guard their hearts, lest they fall into their jaws and be swallowed by their ideas.
Your argument is a giant "what if"- a vague theory with sparse evidence. I could do the same thing; if anything, I bet I have an easier time doing it from an atheistic, macro-evolutionary standpoint. Observe:
"Survival of the fittest" means constant conflict (i.e. wars) among people groups (nations, races, whatever) results in the strong living on to pass their genes and the weak dying off. Any survivors with weak genes should either be eradicated, castrated, or forced into subjugation. This will evolve humanity even further in the end.
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@ponikshiy
1. Eradicating Jewish peopleCall it something like "let's return God's people to the holy land so we can be ready for Christ's return"2. EugenicsSatan will carry a specific DNA sequence so we have to make sure babies with defective DNA are culled.3. NationalismWe are the new Israel and God wants us to be pure and crush our enemies in the name of love.
None of these ideas are supported by Christianity. You are basing your judgement off of a few churches with theology so terrible I can’t even call them Christian.
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When you see one side arresting the other on flimsy grounds like we see now, yes. Plain and simple.
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