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@IwantRooseveltagain
Your “source” is literally a sports tabloid article about some wrestler reacting to a trending Twitter hashtag, started by someone who thought they saw something in an image. Yeah, I’m not convinced.
I must say though, it’s so funny to me how petty the left will get when it comes to Trump (remember the whole talk about whether or not he had a toupee?), because they allow him to live in their heads, rent-free.
There’s a difference between the criticisms of Biden’s aging and this thread: One questions the cognitive abilities of a man who looks dazed after trying to shake hands with an invisible man, the other is a rumor coming from the internet equivalent of that gossipy lunch table group from your high school days.
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@Greyparrot
Eh I think that issue is a bit more nuanced than this. First of all, what is "standing with Ukraine?"... Is it moral support, more aid, or boots on the ground? Second of all, while it may be reasonable to ask someone who believes in increased aid if they were willing to pay more taxes, I don't think it's reasonable to ask someone who wants boots on the ground if they would go themselves.
While paying more taxes is inevitable in the event of aid, a draft isn't immediately going to happen if we send some forces in. Paying more taxes is definitely inevitable in the event of the US sending forces in, though.
To be clear, I don't support the idea of sending forces to Ukraine (nor am I happy with the large amount of aid we are giving them), but I think this whole conversation is an easy gateway to accusing someone of cognitive dissonance when all they have is a more nuanced take.
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@Swagnarok
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A great recent example is how liberal city dwellers are reacting to the migrant crisis. While there are some true believers, the revealed preference is that when masses of impoverished and uneducated foreigners are dumped on their streets these self proclaimed sanctuary cities don’t like it too much.
Good ol' Marthas Vineyard. Lol. I guess your example immediately proves my statement above isn't broad enough.
I guess one could say someone who believes weed should be legal but hates the influx of stoners around their town would also fall in this category.
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@Swagnarok
I think this idea only makes sense if someone commits the action they say they want banned. I can't imagine saying someone who doesn't smoke weed believes weed should be illegal by virtue of their actions (or lack of weed-smoking action). Many people value others' freedom to benefit or harm their bodies more than they value enforcing their own moral standards upon others.
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@John_C_87
Well that’s just a fact that the court found abortion was not a constitutional right. What is your take on the issue and why?
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@John_C_87
Could you please clarify, in layman's terms, what your argument is, exactly?
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@John_C_87
There is no legal construct that can define humanity for us. For my definition, I look at the Word of God, and the biological features and functions of the people He created.
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@ponikshiy
I'm not playing your games, Wylted.
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@CoolApe
It's easier said than done to come up with a good concept of personhood. Finding a coherent concept of personhood is a philosophical exercise and a rabbit hole.
Bingo. I remember an old Facebook boomer-type meme that I saw several years ago... it had a picture of Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka in that condescending pose and went something like "Oh, you think life begins at birth? Tell more about the magical properties of the birth canal." Cringy as it was, the dumb meme had a point.
We have many different ideas of what constitute life, all but one of them being arbitrary. Some say after birth, a baby begins to develop self-consciousness, and that is the deciding factor. Others say it's when the heartbeat begins, taking the term "lifeblood" to its most literal sense. And still others say it's when the human shape develops, at which then the child fulfills the basic taxonomy requirements to be considered human. And yet, still others say it's at conception, when the whole process of human growth begins.
To bring any objectivity into this, I assert that we need to understand the natural concept of life by looking into what the female body considers worthy of protection. This is why I believe conception is objectively the beginning of human life. From the moment of conception, that beginning of development is detected by the female body, which then nurtures the fertilized egg until birth. A natural criteria for a natural concept.
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@ponikshiy
Honestly that's even worse. See ya.
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@ponikshiy
They seem like a threat to the lives of the people governing them to me, especially considering the large amounts of cops dead and standoffs
I'm impressed you found an example, since the "Catholic Church being investigated by the FBI" example was a complete dud. Keep in mind, that when I asked for your examples, I was scanning for more BS in your argument, and that you still need to prove this movement has a significant chance at becoming mainstream within Christianity.
Per your admission here...
Not yet but they could be with some finessing
...it already isn't normal, and per your admission here...
We also have examples we can use that could aid white nationalists into both a more digestible form of white nationalism and a path towards normalizing hate within Christianity in the freemen movement that can be found in certain parts of Appalachia
...it isn't even being currently normalized; the best argument you have is that there is a path where white supremacists could use movements driven by anti-Jew conspiracy theories to have a path, that they could use to radicalize some Christians and no other members of other religious affiliations, which could be used to make hate within Christianity more mainstream, which could make hate within Christianity mainstream.
Again, it's all an intellectually weak "what if" argument, but not as weak as this:
Now My sister's are pushing your children to cut off their penises at 8 years old and turning your country into a 3rd world nation through immigration and socialist policies that the 3rd world implements just before their own ruin.
...HUH?! This argument makes no sense; it's laughable even.
Your contention is that Christians could become so radically conservative that they become hateful through the "what if" argument you presented. Now, when I provide with you an example of Christians tearing down hate, you argue ideas being promoted by the progressive left and opposed by the conservative right (including transgenderism, LOL) are the fault of Christians because we pushed for letting women vote 100 years ago, when the ideological makeup of America and the issues of the day were radically different.
That's just wild. I don't even have any words at the moment to explain why this argument is stupid, but I do think the argument speaks for itself on that fact.
Also, based on an opinion expressed by another user in this thread, I have a feeling you are just a troll. If that's the case, you failed at trolling me. Unless, of course, you believe the goal of trolling is getting people to laugh at you.
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@Intelligence_06
The whole "Russian woman looking for an American man" is also pretty weird, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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@Reece101
Do you argue that anyone who believes in an Abrahamic religion is potentially an inherent threat?
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@Intelligence_06
Just saw this... you implying this user is a Wylted alt?
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@Reece101
It is a form of addressing it. If they have a problem with my made-up logic, they should recognize it's their own logic and understand why their logic is stupid.
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Inter Miami def winning the championship. I don't know how my Chicago Fire are doing right now, but they're probably near the bottom of the table.
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It is easier for society to attack social darwinism. However the left would struggle to attack an entire religion as it would make them look and feel bigoted.Observe the backlash the FBI recently received for looking into radical traditionalist catholics.
The backlash is because traditional Catholics are being associated with domestic terrorism. This idea that Catholics are being radicalized (what even is considered radical by FBI, anyway?) stems from the left's politically motivated paranoia- or probably the exploitation of it.
At this point, I feel this aspect of the conversation belongs in the politics forum.
We also have examples we can use that could aid white nationalists into both a more digestible form of white nationalism and a path towards normalizing hate within Christianity in the freemen movement that can be found in certain parts of Appalachia
1. Cite your examples, I have a feeling your examples may not be as radical or scary as you're making them sound. If the FBI can label a social media picture of a an AR-15 and rosary as a sign that "OmG tHE CaTHOliCs aRe BEcomInG DoMEstIC TerROrisTs," then I have into call into question how much "white nationalism" is actually present in your examples.
2. We have many more examples in recent history of Christians following the Bible and tearing down oppression. I'll give a quick few: Abolitionist movement and Civil rights era movements; various international efforts to "Make disciples of all nations" (as we are called to do in Matthew 28:19) in spite of governments that oppress other races, women, and religions that are not state-approved; women's voting rights being promoted by Christian women to the point where Christian men eventually agreed.
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@Reece101
Survival of the fittest refers to the best adapted to ones environment. Violent conflict is just one piece of Darwinian evolution. Communication is another piece.
A conversation for another day. My point here is that it's ridiculously easy to speculate the worst of a viewpoint and then claim people who believe said viewpoint are going to commit atrocities (or that the risk of people committing atrocities is too high), so the viewpoint should be dropped altogether. It's not a very intellectually compelling tactic.
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@ponikshiy
Those attempts at finessing by some wolves in sheep's clothing are why Christians need to study their Bible and guard their hearts, lest they fall into their jaws and be swallowed by their ideas.
Your argument is a giant "what if"- a vague theory with sparse evidence. I could do the same thing; if anything, I bet I have an easier time doing it from an atheistic, macro-evolutionary standpoint. Observe:
"Survival of the fittest" means constant conflict (i.e. wars) among people groups (nations, races, whatever) results in the strong living on to pass their genes and the weak dying off. Any survivors with weak genes should either be eradicated, castrated, or forced into subjugation. This will evolve humanity even further in the end.
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@ponikshiy
1. Eradicating Jewish peopleCall it something like "let's return God's people to the holy land so we can be ready for Christ's return"2. EugenicsSatan will carry a specific DNA sequence so we have to make sure babies with defective DNA are culled.3. NationalismWe are the new Israel and God wants us to be pure and crush our enemies in the name of love.
None of these ideas are supported by Christianity. You are basing your judgement off of a few churches with theology so terrible I can’t even call them Christian.
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When you see one side arresting the other on flimsy grounds like we see now, yes. Plain and simple.
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@Average_Person
I'll let you in, but I hope you know what ur doing. Mafia here is more complex than IRL mafia.
If you don't, please read posts #1-7 of this thread: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/21-guide-to-forum-mafia
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@FLRW
Well, he was one of the oldest players to retire. I don't know how he got Frank Gore's immortality pills to have a career that went the distance, but he stayed in the game for forever, it seems.
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Hello all, and welcome to Indie Games Mafia!
This game is a 9-player setup that is based on indie games. Each player will be given an indie game as a character that represents their power role, and will involve a theme split. There is no Jester, or Third Party.
Rules: (Expect a lot of obvious mafia game rules that you already know about here.)
Players may not contact each other about the game aside from in-thread and game-approved PMs. Dead players contacting the living players to better spectate the game is acceptable as long as no information is revealed or hints/tips are given to the living player. However, I strongly prefer dead players contact me for information if they want to spectate. Dead players may contact other dead players.
Spectating players may not reveal information about this game (roles, characters, etc.) since all players can see it. Any players given inside information still relevant to the game cannot replace other players.
If a player is replaced out, they may not reveal information about this game (see above) unless I specifically allow them to replace someone in the game. Mafia players cannot become replacements. If a Town player replaces a Mafia player, their former player slot no longer wins with the Town.
Once a player is dead they may not communicate in-thread. They may still communicate in game approved PMs, however. Also, players may not talk after the DP has ended. During twilight it is fine to talk, but not after final vote count and flip are posted.
No players may C/P their role PM or fake doing so. If you post your role PM to claim, it must be paraphrased. Violators will be modkilled.
All questions to me about the game will be answered wherever they were posted as long as they can be answered without ruining the game. I can and will answer all hypotheticals, but cannot answer questions about unrevealed information, with a few exceptions that will already be specified at the start of the game without the need for players to ask about. Example: If a player asks if there is a cop in the game, I cannot confirm or deny that. I can, however, answer questions about how a cop would work if it were to be in the game, since that is a hypothetical.
The role a player gets will be the role that player gets. Do not ask me to have you swapped for something else, please. I will deny the request in all circumstances.
Please respect the other players around you. If violated, penalties may vary, but I will always give a warning first. This will be loosely enforced; I will only step in on the worst of circumstances, so don't expect me to do anything if someone merely mocks or teases you a little bit.
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@Vader
"I'd hate to see you go, but I'd love to watch you leave"
-DDO close account screen, referencing something idk
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