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@RationalMadman
And that is why gun bans is actually what to push for but it seems enough Americans will let their children be slaughtered, literally not metaphorically and not hyperbole, before daring to push for that... So, America is fucked.
I'm going to disagree with this on the basis that, while horrible, these events are too rare to justify stripping away the people's right to defend themselves, be it an intruder or a tyrannical government.
A government that disarms its people can do more harm and shed more blood than any of these shooters can.
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@Greyparrot
I don't think we need this. Coal had a good thread on this. It got derailed for a sec, but there's still good conversation to be had on there.
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@Intelligence_06
My YT homepage consists mostly of funny "dank" meme edits, flerfers and gnostic theists being "owned", and game videos, and occasionally people eating stuff or just tortuing themselves for money or content.
Yeah, that sounds like YouTube alright.
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@sadolite
Oh it's been a while since I've heard this one. Brings me back to fourth grade. Nowadays we just ask someone if they heard that some celebrity got ligma.
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A generator is good for a lot of disasters. Blizzards, severe storms, possibly earthquakes. Guns are a good thing to have if the disaster involves anarchy/lawlessness.
But if the nukes are dropped, I'm just gonna pray. Not that I live, but that God's will be done, whatever it is.
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@RationalMadman
Quiet yet recognisable, sociable yet reserved, the enigma of Mharman is simply the extraverted honest dude that people get along with even when they don't.
I can see this. I don't think I'm an extrovert (all tests I took said introvert), but I suppose I can appear that way in online interaction, as opposed to IRL interaction. Although I gotta say, I feel it's hard to pin anyone in either category, since they seem to be temporary states for me, depending on the mood I'm in. All in all, I tend to be on the introvert side, but can be extroverted at times.
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@Greyparrot
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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@coal
Salvation is not had through policy.
Bingo. We can fix some problems through policy, but the problems behind the problems can only be solved with cultural improvements.
How many of these shooters were raised poorly, or had some kind of traumatic experience in their past? I suspect it’s almost all of them. Not defending those evil people, but it’s clear that there’s more going on with them than the sheer moral depravity required to shoot up a school.
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@Greyparrot
I wonder how effective they are, and if they can be mandated without enabling government tyranny. I’ll look into it later, but what are your thoughts on them?
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@Double_R
Question: Was that child who was shot to death killed by a gun or killed by another child?
Killed by another child. Does this mean we should hold the child responsible? Obviously not, they don't know what they're doing. However, your argument doesn't showcase the importance of gun regulation, it showcases the importance of gun education.
If your 5yo finds your gun and manages to kill another kid with it, 1) You didn't stash your gun properly, 2) You probably left it loaded when not in use, and 3) You may have failed to parent your child properly so that they would know not to go near an object like that.
But none of these are things we can regulate. We can't control how people store their guns on their property, and we can't stop parents from failing to parent properly. Many house fires have been started by children playing with lighters. Do we need to ban lighters, or require some kind of special permit for lighters?
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@DebateArt.com
Also it avoids situations when it's easy to grind rating on the new accounts that don't know what they are doing.
If the noobs don't like being noobsniped, perhaps they should look for other noobs to challenge specifically.
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@Intelligence_06
I suggest changing the default to rated, not standard
I second this. I get the feeling a lot of these are products of people just leaving the defaults, not really being conscious of what they change. To be honest, I don't see why we should have unrated debates in the first place.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'll read it later. The thing is, we have a whole thread that sets etiquette expectations for this forum. If even some of those expectations are held up by the COC (and why wouldn't they be, at least the ones with regard to insults and misquoting?), then he should've been actioned a long time ago.
From the thread:
Formatting Best Practices:For actual debates, I highly suggest referencing the guide. However, for general forum use, just obey a few simple guidelines:
- Space between things is useful if you wish to be legible
- Don’t bold and/or CAPITALIZE all of your text
- Don’t misquote other users
As I've bolded and underlined, #3 is key. The example I gave isn't the only time he's misquoted me, and I'm sure he's done this to plenty of others as well.
Response to mind reading:
On this site, this dude is the king of calling people Nazis, bigots, and the like. He can't even make the defense that he has a reason to believe we are such, since as he's admitted, he won't debate us.
There are three types of trolls (or with vulgarity):
- Clowns who are not necessarily trying to inspire anger.
- Losers with nothing better to do with their lives than try to anger strangers.
- Idiots who say things so stupid you mistake them for the Type 1 or Type 2, but they lack the mental facilities to do it intentionally.
So if engaging in comedy, please keep the following in mind:
- Lots of people will see it, so try to make it more about entertaining the audience, rather than hurting anyone’s feelings.
- Never forget Poe's Law. The one time a feminist talks in satire about how women are weakened by their right to vote, someone will mistake them for being serious.
- Don’t do mindless insults. Just calling someone a retard makes you look uninspired. It’s much better to properly evaluate their logic, point out every flaw in it, and leave them being a mentally deficient the unspoken but only rational conclusion from the evidence.
- Don’t stalk people. Their interactions on a different topic in a different thread, is not the time to bring up old dirt. Certainly never make threads calling them out by name.
I think "idiot" is a bit harsh for Roosevelt, but he's certainly childish and foolish, so I think he falls into category #3. And obviously, he's made more mindless insults than anyone I've seen on the site.
I do believe there should be some leeway with these etiquette expectations, but it's clear they should be enforced in this case, if possible. In nearly every flame war in this forum, Roosevelt is a common denominator. He repeatedly violates these expectations, and openly admits to doing so, with "for your own good" being his best defense. It is such a weak defense. Rather than change his behavior, he continues to make it pretty clear that he's not going to change.
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@Greyparrot
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@PREZ-HILTON
Can you do me a favor and stop communicating with him.
As someone who's already begun to do the same, I back this idea.
To me, the problem is not the fact that he disagrees with me, but his conduct. I respect Double_R, Barney, and Oromagi because they come across as genuine to me. Roosevelt does not. It's easy to tell he doesn't argue in good faith.
He can't go 5 posts without some childish name-calling. When confronted, he tries to justify it with some ridiculous paternalistic argument. For whatever reason, he thinks telling us we should be "forced underground" and saying he will "continue to deride" us is "for our own good," and so we "should be thanking" him. He thinks that, since we are so full of shit, we should be insulted repeatedly so that his pushback makes us think about why we could be wrong.
Ignoring the fact that cult brainwashing tactics like that don't work without significant social pressure, and that they only succeed in stopping PUBLIC expression of beliefs (private expression increases, because people tend to respond to social censorship with disgust, pushing themselves toward the side being censored) when that condition for said social pressure is met, there's the elephant in the room: His assumption that we are wrong.
It's already so proven in his mind that we are evil bigots that he won't debate us genuinely. As he's said in the past: "I don't debate bigots." However, this leads to a natural self-contradiction: He won't debate us to know what we're saying, but somehow, he knows that we hold bigoted beliefs.
I pointed this out to him once with a question that went something like, "How can you tell someone is a bigot when you won't even debate them?" His response was to C/P ONLY the "How can you tell someone is a bigot" part, and conveniently leave out the "when you won't even debate them" part. He essentially took half of my question out and altered the meaning of my rhetorical statement in doing so. He then responded by saying "by what they say and do." .... Yeah, no shit. My point was that since he refuses to debate people, he doesn't actually know what "they say and do."
But of course, he couldn't answer my question honestly. That would require him to trust that my question was genuine. After all, why would he *ever* think a question coming from a bigot is genuine? So instead, he must edit my question to circumvent some kind of trap he thinks I've set. This REPEATED lack in trust for the person across the aisle has ironically, created of him an ideologue so stubborn, childish, and ignorant, that at the end of the day, he's the only one that can't be trusted to argue in good faith.
I doubt ignoring him will make him go away, but I'm still going to ignore him on the grounds of his poor conduct, from the insults to the paranoid belief system he has that causes all of his bad faith arguing. If he wants to waste his time responding to me, here or elsewhere, he can be my guest. Until I see any change in how he argues, I will not waste my time on him.
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FAU, Miami, San Diego State, and UConn.
It's a weird one this year. Who ya got? How did we even get to these teams anyway?
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@DavidAZ
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I've said this over and over again for the "orange man bad" people. Another nothing burger coming from the media. This is all political targeting and grasping at straws to try to nail someone that they are afraid of. The media is portraying this to the brainless people out there that will look at this theater and think Donald Trump is a criminal and a threat to society.
Bingo. The fact that they spent over 4 years investigating something that happened over 6 years ago and only have an accusation now, based on a testimony from a guy who will lie for whatever cause benefits him the most, and questionable legal semantics tells me everything I need to know about this.
Any judge would be righteous to toss this case as moot, let alone the lack of evidence (after 4 years!) and the twisting of definitions.
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@DavidAZ
I agree with the OP that if you know the field you are going into to and it needs college credentials, then go for it. It should pay for itself. If not, leave it alone.
I'd say this accurate. We all have our talents and desires, so some people should go for a career that doesn't require college, and some should go for a career that requires college. A lot of it is understanding yourself.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Really? So do the Taliban seem reasonable to you? They are very religious
Not talking about the Taliban here. You're missing my point on this front.
My point is that Christians believe God supports rational policy. Therefore, Christian Democrats believe God endorses their stances on issues. If a Christian didn't believe their policy ideas were endorsed by God, they wouldn't believe them. Therefore, the party that endorses those ideas is the party of God. This applies to Christian Democrats as much as Christians who identify with other parties. The reason you see Christian Democrats claim to be the party of God less is because it isn't politically popular among the many atheists in the Democratic Party. However, Christian Democrat politicians have been known to quote scripture from time to time to appeal to other Christian Democrats, inadvertently claiming to be the party of God if not saying it outright. In a vacuum, it would be somewhat common, but compared to Christian Republican politicians (who have less atheists, but not none, in their base), it is rare. Regardless, both parties have Christians and atheists who believe a variety of things about God's place in politics and what policies God would endorse, to pin an entire party based on the actions and words of some is ridiculous.
Your logic, which ignores all nuance about what individuals believe about what God endorses and condemns, would assert that Cuomo a hypocrite, since God hates divorce and Cuomo got one. By association, the Democrats would be a party of hypocrites, since they have individuals who believe their party is the party of God but are getting divorces.
Of course, that logic is silly, and so would the hypothetical argument about Cuomo that it rests on, as well as the argument you've made about Conway.
That is my point, given in detail.
Are you kidding? Republicans believe and assert:
All of your examples fall into one of two categories:
1. It is not a mainstream position within the party, or Christianity.
2. There are non-religious arguments for this position.
Let's go over them.
God doesn’t want gay people to marry .
It is a sin. However, they are free to do so at their own risk. I have yet to see an outright ban on gay marriage become a mainstream idea, most Christians I've talked to on this hold the same position I do.
God doesn’t want abortions
Abortion is murder. The definition of life by status of need is arbitrary and unscientific.
God doesn’t want gay people to raise children. (no adoption)
One doesn't need to invoke God for this. There are negative psychological effects on children raised outside of the traditional family structure.
God doesn’t want blacks to marry or procreate with whites
Lol, just lol. Not even remotely close to being argued in any mainstream capacity. The few Christians who believe this base their claims on flawed theology and a general misunderstanding of why God told the Israelites not to marry the Caananites. Hint: Inter-religious marriage is banned, not interracial marriage.
God doesn’t approve of contraception
Some churches believe in contraception, some don't. Those that don't (like mine) rarely argue for a complete ban on contraceptives. It is seen as a sin, but those who use them are free to sin at their own risk. However, this only applies to contraceptives that prevent egg releases. Contraceptives that kill a fertilized egg or prevent one from attaching the intrauterine wall should be banned, since they kill the unborn. This falls into the same category as my abortion argument from earlier.
Regardless of whether or not you agree, it is foolish to say that one needs to invoke God to hold these positions, and foolish to assert all of these positions are mainstream, or that every Christian Republican agrees with them.
Even if you acknowledge the Christian Republicans that do not hold any of these positions, the ones that don't believe in all of these positions, and the ones that have non-religious arguments for their positions, your argument still attempts to smear them based on association. This is an obvious logical fallacy.
But of course, fallacies are your MO. To be honest, the only thing in your argument that surprised me was the mention of racist sentiment, because your claim there was completely laughable. I'm sure you'll spew a ton of insults at me in your reply. Doesn't matter to me. I can't take anything you say seriously anymore, if I even did in the first place.
Simply put, you never argue in good faith, so you're not worth my future time. You can go ahead and have the last word. I won't bother responding. In fact, I won't bother replying to anything you say in the future.
Goodbye.
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@AustinL0926
Funny.
Speaking of funny... Famous Clowns Mafia (uses characters like Bozo the Clown, the Joker, etc... can be IRL and fictional clowns)
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@ijb1
When someone posts sign-ups for their game. Right now, there are none available, but I’m sure someone will post one. I host games sometimes, but right now, I lack the time.
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@coal
That probably wasn't your fault. I think math is really poorly taught.
It’s not my teachers’ fault. Out of every math teacher I’ve ever had, all but one has been willing (not begrudgingly, either) to help me after class if I’m struggling with something. Their explanations have always been good enough for me as well. The problem is that I just can’t keep track of numbers in my head that well. It’s an ADD thing; it caused me to forget some of the numbers mid-equation and get it wrong.
Thankfully, I’m past high school and not doing a whole lot of math-related stuff in college. I did have to take personal finance last inter term and that was obnoxious though.
I’m not terrible at math either (590 on the math portion of the SAT) I’m just below what I consider the standard of excellence. Writing on the other hand, is something I know I do well (750).
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@Vader
Clear HeartHeaven's WheelAtarxia
What do all these do?
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Current Mafia:
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On Hold:
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
Earth - Skyrim Mafia
Mharman - Indie Games Mafia
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Ah, the old guide. You know, I don't remember which game Tvellalott claimed to be a town bus driver. I found it, but I don't know if I wrote myself any notes on it. Oh well. I'll look into it once summer break begins. It'd be nice to give summaries of games when I put together the full mafia archive.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Republicans have to assert divine intervention.
Examples?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Don’t religious people think God stands for reasonable policies, though?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I notice the distinct lack of a counter-argument your statement to Greyparrot contains.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
No no, one party, the Republicans, are the party of hypocrites because they claim to be the party of God,
So, Andrew Cuomo, a Roman Catholic Democrat, believes God would be a Republican then? And no Democrat who is Christian believes the party they identify with is the party of God?
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@Greyparrot
By reducing one party to be UNIQUELY, the party of marriage, you are by default claiming the other party is the party of DIVORCE.
That’s a good point I didn’t even think of.
My points was just that there are divorced Christian politicians on both sides of the aisle, so there’s no reason for these association fallacy arguments.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Ah, bollocks. I got my Cuomos confused. Was thinking of Andrew. And his divorce was in 2005, not 2019. I’m thinking of his long time girlfriend.
Anyway,
Thoughts on Andrew Cuomo’s 2005 divorce? Cuomo is Roman Catholic, so clearly he thinks the Democratic Party is the true party of God, otherwise he wouldn’t be a member. Is he a hypocrite?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Thoughts on Chris Cuomo’s 2019 divorce?
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@DebateArt.com
I’ll say this: I’ve yet to have a problem with this Captcha. But if other people are, perhaps changing the captcha to the suggested option would be best.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I’m not sure who you’re railing against here, but you might want to find better criticisms of that person than association fallacy arguments.
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@Reece101
Depended heavily on the topic. Math was always a hard one for me. I always found it hard to keep track of numbers.
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@DebateArt.com
Hate to say it, but if all else fails, you could place an ad at the top and bottom of every page. I'd be willing to turn off my adblocker for this site. Just don't go crazy with the ads per page like DDO did.
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Shitposting is one of the best things to do on the interwebs.
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@Best.Korea
Do car owners feel bad about all the people and animals they killed?
Nope. As a proud Audi owner, running over stuff is my passion. There's nothing more refreshing than swerving around at 60+ mph through the great suburbia, seeing what little collectibles I can get on my hood this time.
I've grown quite fond of my Q8, and you could tell if you saw it. The driver's side door is almost completely filled with tally marks, each carrying a blissful memory from when I would hit something new for the first time.
One of my favorites is Mark #174, my first time hitting a skunk. It smelled awful and I was pretty mad at the time, but it was pretty funny, looking back on the day. You would not believe how many times I had to wash the hood of my car. I gotta say, I never knew n-butyl mercaptan could melt and stick to the paint on the hood of a car during a hot summer day. Peculiar, isn't it?
I'm also a member of the American Booze Cruiser Association- Indianapolis Chapter, and let me tell you, we've got quite the competition going on over there. Right now we're having the 2023 Spring City Slamfest Competition, where the goal is to slam into as many pesky cyclists as possible. At 23 hits, I'm currently leading the field and am well on my way to winning my fifth consecutive title.
If I don't win, oh well. I've built up quite the competitive resume and am confident I will be a first ballot Hall of Famer when the city police can get enough evidence to pin me with a charge. Heck, I could be the GOAT someday.
Mailboxes, pets, childrens' toys- I've run over em' all. And yet, I still find something unique to run over at least once a week. Let me tell you- there's no greater time to get in on the action than now. Overseas fashion companies are paying better than ever for premium dog fur, and local crackheads love torn-up bicycles for scrap. And with all the rental cars the Association has right now, the hurdles for newcomers are at an all-time low.
If you want to try it out for yourself, DM me. I've got connections with every high-ranking member in the Association. They could lease you a decent-conditioned Nissan Altima for the same monthly price of a small town, one-bed-one-bath apartment. Of course if you ever want an Audi Q8 like me, you're gonna to need to work your way up through the big leagues. I can give you pointers on things like, how to precisely hit a basketball to pop it under your tire, some time. Just give me the word if you're interested, ok?
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@Reece101
Do you just see words? Do you conjure pictures and 3D models? Do you have difficulty doing so?
I'm seeing words now you mentioned "seeing words," but normally I do conjure pictures. It's hard to do it when I try, but when I'm just zoning out the images in my brain appear very lively.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I wouldn't want to comply with the party of endless sham investigations, either.
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@SirAnonymous
Granted, but it's because the sun is literally in your hand. You can't even comprehend it before you're burned to a crisp.
I wish I could phase through objects, like a superhero power.
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Nothing, since a WWIII would be likely to end with everyone nuking each other.
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Limited amounts of smurfing in racing's lower divisions are good for the sport. A little Buschwacking only hurts if it becomes a lot of Buschwacking.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And this is important because...?
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