Mharman

But don’t expect that to happen until summer

Oh, and once I’m done with the Google Doc, I’ll create a new archive. It’ll have some games that were lost to history too- they predate the first game in the archives.

I have screenshots of the results and setups of every DDO non-beginner series mafia game ever.

I just haven’t put the information into a Google doc, but I will at some point.

I’m also hoping to talk to players from those games to see what they remember happened; I think it’d be cool to at least have short descriptions of what exactly happened in those games.

hammered

Sure, if Badger wants to be lynched, whatever. He was my other (albeit kinda weak) scum read anyway. We should VTNL tomorrow for the better matchup of a 3v2 instead of a 4v2.

I will never doubt how  DUMB noob logic can be again.

Thoughts? Activity? Anything?

Why do you think B.K is town?

What makes you less confident (from what I can tell) in the idea that B.K is scum?

Could you clarify what you meant, then?

Spent hours thinking about your question and debating what is and isn't scummy in my mind, and I'm scumreading Best.Korea. There's just so many sus things B.K has said that I can't justify all of them.

1. The whole "Idk what to do" thing in Post #6, only to be followed up by a lot of comments that look like he's pretty sure of himself (a new example of this contradiction is found every time they post).

2. The immediate town read of you in Post #7 based on your research. I'm not saying that announcing research is inherently scummy, but it's not inherently towny, either. It's not something that we can use to evaluate affiliation. At first, I said it was only slightly scummy because it could just be bad/inconsistent noob logic, but then they go on to call out the illogical parts of Lunatic's sus on you, and then assert in Post #56 that Lunatic is scum because his instant scumread (as B.K perceives it, more on this in a second) on you is irrational. Yet, they ignore how their instant townread on you would be just as irrational.

So it's not really that B.K's poor logic is the problem, it's the fact that they give so much thought to the idea of logic, EXCEPT when they make a conclusion. With that in mind, the fact that they instantly called you "town" and than instantly called the one person who disagreed "scum" reeks of buddying.

3. The whole "testing reactions" thing (as he claimed in Posts #54 and #61 looked legit to me for a bit, until I noticed how he did it. When he set up his "test" in Post #10, Lunatic didn't even respond to the vote itself (instead focusing on you), and yet by Post #19 they were already calling Lunatic "scum." While they gave a different reason than their "test" in Post #19, he makes it clear in Post #56 that Lunatic's focus on you in Post #13 was a failure of his "test."

Not to mention the fact that Lunatic didn't even say you were scum; he only said in Post #13 and reiterated in Post #29 that you COULD be scum, based on you being a noob. Was it dumb? Yes. But it wasn't outright saying you were scum, as B.K claimed.

It's completely unfair to test someone's reaction, and then say their lack of reaction is scummy, especially when the person conducting the test is exaggerating claims of "accusation." Again, one could chalk this up to poor logic, but for the same reason from earlier, I don't think that excuse holds up anymore. It's basically a test where Lunatic was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

4. The idea in Posts #56 and #61 that Lunatic, Pie, and Supa are all somehow scum because they "baited" those three all into "uniting against" them. Ignoring the fact that they're basically claiming Pie and Supa also failed their "test," it is ridiculous to assert this game has 3 mafiosos, especially in Posts #65 and #69 after being told in Posts #62 and #68 how unfair a 5v3 would be. And of course, it's all to justify that idea that B.K somehow "baited" 3 players who made an observation that B.K might know a bit more than thought into failing his "test." It's all way too convenient. To me, it just looks like they're expanding their lynch pool.

So yeah, B.K has some poor logic, but it seems less like it's just plain wrong and more like it has a manipulative purpose behind it. At this point, it's more of a pattern than a mistake. He might be a noob, but I think he's a rather smart one.

As for the teammate, I suspect Badger right now, with a slight consideration over the other possibilities.

Yeah, I know, "YoU'Re JuST oMGuSsINg HiM," as if his vote on me is one of my reasons. Tbh, I don't care about that. Oh, no. I guess I can't have any reasons to suspect him because his vote happens to be on me.

1. Without any reason, he says in Post #9 that B.K reads as town. He is the only player here to say it outright. Admittedly this isn't suspicious on its own, but I have other reasons.

2. Also in Post #9, he makes the same vote choice as B.K one post later when they set up their "test." This is possibly an example of teamwork. It could also be that B.K is trying to buddy Badger as well, so this isn't suspicious on its own, either.

3. The big (relatively speaking) thing for me is the process of elimination, which is what makes the first two sort of worth talking about.

It could be one of the three B.K has in their scum pile as a sneaky way of not seeming too connected to them, but Lunatic and Supa have been way too skeptical of B.K for me to think that (especially Lunatic), and Pie was the one who first pointed out B.K's not-so-noob-looking interactions. I suppose it could be scripted for one of them (Pie in particular seems to have the least amount of suspicion on B.K when he normally is a bit more confident in those reads as I recall), but to be honest there's not enough to say so.

There's Earth, but they're inactive, and there's really no evidence to say they're lurking behind the scenes.

I did say there was a small amount of truth to Lunatic's suspicion on you, but it wasn't enough for me. That reasoning still stands. Besides, I think you're a bit more town now. The announcement of your research still isn't worth anything, but I like the effort your putting in; it seems honest to me, especially with the cross-examination you're doing. It could be all fake, but I see no reason to believe that.

So that just leaves Badger, who has a couple posts that make me draw comparisons to B.K. I know PoE isn't much at this stage of the game, but it's the best I've got given the other options.

TL;DR:

Best.Korea (Hard scum)

Badger (Slight scum)

Earth (Null)

Pie (Slight town)

Supa (Lean town)

Austin (Lean town)

Lunatic (Lean town)

I'm obviously most confident in my read on B.K, so I'm down to lynch.

Drive complete; catching up.

That’s all for now. For anyone wondering what I’m busy with, I have to drive back to college today.

Well, I will say the discussion being generated is good.

Tbh, I’m not a fan of b.k’s jumping straight to conclusions so quickly. His instant scum read on you reeks of paranoia, but then his instant town read on Austin lacks any sort of the same caution. I’d say it’s ever so slightly scummy; the only thing stopping me from saying it is outright scummy is the possibility of  it just being bad and inconsistent noob logic.

I’ll definitely be keeping a close eye on what they post.

@best.korea

I’m not convinced of anything about Austin’s affiliation yet, but I will say I find Lunatic’s idea that noobs might be scum to be pretty dumb. But I’m not convinced of anything about Lunatic’s affiliation yet, either.

Question for you: What’s with the near-instant conclusions from you?

Bengals should not have talked so much trash, simple as.

By the way, I’m not opposed to questioning Austin, I just don’t see any indication he’s scum. I don’t really think his lack of questions is enough to say he’s scum.

@best.Korea Unblock me so I can tag you properly for this game.

*new townies

Although I will admit, I did also ask questions to other players in my first game, along with the research, so there is truth to the idea that new players will ask questions.

Forgot to include in last post:

@lunatic I don’t know of any times noobs were specifically chosen for one affiliation or another. I know I didn’t do any of that if a noob was in one of my games. I think that would just make the game too easy for town, knowing they could easily predict a noob’s affiliation if that were the case.

Also, I researched old games in my first game, and I was town in that one. Maybe I’m an outlier, but I think that has more to do with play style than affiliation.

Hello homos,

I am also pretty busy irl, so I’m going to be less active than I normally am.

RIP Big Cock Brock.

I’m sure he’ll be the starter next year.

Slippery. Makes the car harder to control. Would be fun if there was no risk of sliding into a ditch, tree or other car.

Driving in snow isn't great.

Try an old game, like something from the Wii/360/PS3 era.

Sure

My prediction has mostly been busted already... anyways, we have 4 very good teams left.

Also, will Brock Purdy have a Tom Brady arc?

No.

Predictions:

AFC: Bills vs. Chiefs (neutral site)

NFC: Cowboys @ Eagles

Super Bowl: Chiefs def. Eagles, 45-41

sure, whatever

Can't rn. If you have the time, feel free to start your own and capitalize on the activity.

voting $ = gae

Wait, nvm. I can kinda see it.

I don't see the dick but it still looks ugly... a traditional statue would've been sufficient, but whatever.

idk what to post in the op.... I'll just say that it was funny to see the Chargers choke, despite me being a Colts fan who wanted the Jaguars to lose

also, Brady is old and needs to retire

also also, we all knew it... the Vikings were frauds

In the mean time, I placed Earth on hold as well, which I think is pretty fair at this point. It leaves no one in the hopper, but whatever... I'll probably find the time to host at some point. Probably early February, which sucks for all those who are itching to play, but again... whatever.

If I even have the time... for now, I'll just put myself ON HOLD.

You're 1-0 against Intelligence and 1-1 against Oromagi. I'd say both of them are good. Especially when compared to Mall, who you've probably beaten 50 times by now. I don't know, I lost count.

Novice isn't bad. He's beaten a pair of good opponents, but he rarely debates good opponents. I wouldn't even call it noobsniping, just "Mallfarming."

This was all I cared to know.

And just not being able to talk to the relatives because you're bedridden.

Being sick on Thanksgiving sucks. One of the worst days all year to get sick on.