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@That2User
You're up. Go ahead when ready; I won't be for a bit.
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@That2User
No one gets a personal best every time.
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Current Mafia:
N/A
Signups:
N/A
In the Hopper:
That2-Arkham/Gotham Mafia
Mharman- Indie Games Mafia
On Hold:
Wylted - World Series of Poker (WSOP) Mafia
Supa - tbd
Earth - Not another weebshit mafia game/Skyrim(Player choice)
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
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@Greyparrot
I like the attitude on this guy :)
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@That2User
Live and learn :)
You're certainly improving.
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
It's the endgame
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MAFIA WINS!!!
Pie is the MVP of this game.
SETUP
The theme split was "Globalism vs. All Else." I'm sure all these have been said to be part of a globalist conspiracy by conspiracy theorists, but the New World Order is the only one where it's explicit.
Mafia
ILikePie5 - You are the New World Order conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe the world’s governments are working together in a secret society to create a single totalitarian regime.
“The Illuminati controls everything, man.”
Because of this, you are a 1x Recruiter. Once per game in the night, you may recruit an opposing player into your affiliation, which would be mafia in this case.
In addition, you are also a Godfather. You will appear innocent on all affiliation investigations.
You win with the Mafia. Since you are from the Mafia, you may submit a night kill each night. For this game, you may not use your night kill on the same night you recruit someone.
There’s a whole world of conspiracy theories out there, man. Thus, you will not be getting any fake claims.
Advice for this game: Use your recruitment ability ASAP!
Barney (formerly RationalMadman) - You are the Michael Obama conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe former FLOTUS Michelle Obama is secretly transgender.
“Tell me she doesn’t look like a man!”
Because of this, you are a 1x Vanillizer. Once per game at night, you may select another player and “transition” them to Vanilla. This ability will be used up even if the target is already a Vanilla.
You win with the Town (recruited to Mafia NP1).
Town
Whiteflame - You are the Alternative Therapy Suppression conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe the FDA suppresses natural cures for diseases to support the medical industry.
“They have a cure for cancer. They’re just hiding it.”
Because of this, you are a Doctor. Each night, you may target another player to protect them from any lethal night actions targeting them.
You win with the Town.
Greyparrot - You are the Israeli Animal Espionage conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe the Israeli government uses animals for espionage on people and governments whilst disguising it as migration tracking.
“The Mossad throwing the shark toward Egypt is not out of the question.”
Because of this, you are a Cop. Each night, you may investigate another player. Their affiliation will be made known to you, in the form of “guilty” for anti-town affiliations or “innocent” for pro-town or neutral affiliations.
You win with the Town.
Supa - You are the Sandy Hook Crisis Actors conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe that no one died at Sandy Hook and that the whole incident was made up to promote gun control.
“It’s synthetic, completely fake with actors.”
Because of this, you are a Vanilla. You have no powers.
You win with the Town.
Earth - You are the Bush Did 9/11 conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe former POTUS George W. Bush made up a terrorist attack in what was a controlled demolition of the Twin Towers to promote an oil war.
“That was actually a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.”
Because of this, you are a Vanilla. You have no powers.
You win with the Town.
That2 - You are the Holocaust Never Happened conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe the Holocaust was made up to promote Jewish immigration to the United States.
“I don’t know, man. Six million seems kind of high.”
Because of this, you are a Vanilla. You have no powers.
You win with the Town.
GAME ACTIONS
DP1
Town - lynch Supa (Voted for Supa: Whiteflame, Greyparrot, That2, Pie; Voted for Pie: RM; VTNL'd: Supa)
NP1
Pie - Recruit Ragnar
Barney - Vanillaize Pie
Greyparrot - Investigate Whiteflame
Whiteflame - Protect Barney
DP2
Town - lynch Earth (Voted for Earth: That2, Whiteflame, Pie, Greyparrot; Voted for That2: Earth)
NP2
Pie - Kill That2
Greyparrot - Investigate Pie
Whiteflame - Protect Whiteflame
REVIEW
I'd say this setup turned out to be scum-sided. It wasn't egregiously so, but I feel like I could've done better. The idea was to load town up with power and then provide a single mafioso to the chance to recruit one of them so they could use it for themselves. Looking back, I probably should've added an eighth player slot (preferably a Town Watcher or Clairvoyant) to give the Town one more guaranteed DP. That would've made this setup truly balanced, in my opinion. I'll give town at least three guaranteed DPs my future games.
In DP1, RM had a great idea to use his vanillaizer to confirm himself as Town, but he made a mistake outting that plan DP1. His gut read was right on Pie too, but he wasn't able to build a good case for it. Pie did a good job refuting the case without slipping up, and Town backed off on their inquiries of him. He didn't have to do an amazing job, either; RM was so hell-bent on proving Pie to be scum that he pushed town away from his correct read. RM did have a good idea asking the Town about the political wing their theory was on, though. It was off the mark, but it wouldn't have hurt. If anything, it would've limited Pie's fake claim choices. Unfortunately, RM went too far by asking everyone to out their character for his theories, and no one listened to him on theme split theories after that. Greyparrot made a mistake outting his character so easily, but he got away with it. Earth's character claim was fine because they were a Vanilla. Town made a mistake pressuring Whiteflame into claiming, and Pie took advantage and added to the pressure. I don't blame Whiteflame for claiming, given the pressure. Pie's fake character claim was mid, but it didn't matter. I'm not sure why the Town was sussing Supa, but he was lynched regardless.
NP1, Pie correctly speculated that Greyparrot was the Cop and that Whiteflame was the Doctor, but he took Barney instead. I think he should've taken Greyparrot, but whatever. Greyparrot's investigation into Whiteflame was a waste in my eyes, given that Whiteflame was a claimed Doctor. Whiteflame's protection of Barney was the right play from the information he had, but it ultimately didn't matter. I think Barney's vanillaization of Pie was ok, given he had little to lose in doing so.
DP2, Town had a bloc that included everyone but That2, Earth, and Pie; Barney didn't have to do much to hide in that bloc. I'm just confused by the defenses That2 and Earth put up, as neither were sufficient. If both had put up a better defense, the Town would've probably looked at Pie a bit more. Neither did, and the Town chose Earth. Pie's VIP claim was okay. Greyparrot definitely hammered too early when there was plenty of the DP left.
NP2, Greyparrot had the right idea to investigate Pie, and Whiteflame's self-protection wasn't a bad idea either. Unfortunately for the Town, Pie saw it coming, so he decided to kill That2.
GG, everyone.
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@Barney
The Weekly Stupid
Now THAT is an idea!
ScottyDouglas = The GOAT
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Aren’t Republicans the same people who approved water boarding?
That's a pretty huge deflection. If you want to argue I'm okay with waterboarding because I would've voted for George Bush over Al Gore, go off I guess.
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@Vader
The underlined posts will be going into a tiebreaking runoff
Will that be in this thread?
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
Official Vote Count
Earth (4/4) - That2, Whiteflame, Pie, Greyparrot
That2 (1/4) - Earth
Earth was lynched! They were innocent! Submit night actions!
@Mods, lock the thread; please and thank you.
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Official Vote Count
Earth (3/4) - That2, Whiteflame, Pie
That2 (1/4) - Earth
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@IwantRooseveltagain
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
No, to avoid sham trials and coerced confessions. This is based on the idea that if someone is coerced to confess, their confession isn't reliable. At its core, it's an amendment designed to protect the innocent who otherwise might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances (see Ohio v. Reiner).
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@IwantRooseveltagain
For the exact reason the Fifth Amendment exists.
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Official Vote Count
Earth (2/4) - That2, Whiteflame
That2 (1/4) - Earth
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That2 (1/4) - Earth
Earth (1/4) - That2
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3 on the other hand, is a great number.
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@BearMan
@Public-Choice
Internet Archive's Wayback Machine might be of help here. Lemme know if it works on DART.
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Official Vote Count
That2 (1/4) - Earth
Pie (1/4) - That2
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Current Mafia:
Mharman - Conspiracy Theory Mafia - DP2
Signups:
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In the Hopper:
N/A
On Hold:
Wylted - World Series of Poker (WSOP) Mafia
Supa - tbd
Earth - Not another weebshit mafia game/Skyrim(Player choice)
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
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@Earth
@Barney
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@That2User
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Hello, and welcome to DP2!
Announcement:
Barney has replaced in for RationalMadman.
Silenced by the Secret Service:
Lynched DP1 - Supa - You are the Sandy Hook Crisis Actors conspiracy theory. Proponents of this theory believe that no one died at Sandy Hook and that the whole incident was made up to promote gun control.
“It’s synthetic, completely fake with actors.”
Because of this, you are a Vanilla. You have no powers.
You win with the Town.
Targeted Individuals:
1. Pie
2. Whiteflame
3. That2
4. Earth
5. Barney (formerly RationalMadman)
6. Greyparrot
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. The Day Phase ends Saturday, October 29, @ 2:00 PM EST.
GLHF!
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Certified "This is how we get a civil war" Moment
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Current Mafia:
Mharman - Conspiracy Theory Mafia - NP1
Signups:
N/A
In the Hopper:
N/A
On Hold:
Wylted - World Series of Poker (WSOP) Mafia
Supa - Kanye West Discography Mafia
Earth - Not another weebshit mafia game/Skyrim(Player choice)
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
May one of you lock this thread, please? Thank you in advance.
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Final Official Vote Count
Supa (4/4) - Whiteflame, Greyparrot, That2, Pie
Pie (1/4) - RM
VTNL (1/4) - Supa
Supa was lynched! He was innocent! Submit your night actions!
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Official Vote Count
Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (2/4) - RM, That2
RM (1/4) - Supa
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Current Mafia:
Mharman - Conspiracy Theory Mafia - DP1
Signups:
N/A
In the Hopper:
N/A
On Hold:
Wylted - World Series of Poker (WSOP) Mafia
Supa - Kanye West Discography Mafia
Earth - Not another weebshit mafia game/Skyrim(Player choice)
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
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@SirAnonymous
I wanna see a full parity circle of every major debater on DART.
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@Vader
Users:
3RU7AL
Greyparrot
ILikePie5
Debates:
THBT: On balance, the US ought to make abortion illegal.
The majority of animal agriculture in the United States is slavery
Resolved: On balance, the Christian doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement is ethically tenable.
Forum Threads:
DDO is Shutting Down
I do not believe Shila is a bot
What has Airmax done to deliver on campaign promises?
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Official Vote Count
Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (1/4) - RM
RM (1/4) - Supa
It's been a while since I updated this, so let me know if you see any mistakes.
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Official Vote Count
Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (1/4) - RM
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Official Vote Count
Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (1/4) - RM
Earth (1/4) - That2
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Official Vote Count
Pie (1/4) - RM
Pie (1/4) - RM
Supa (1/4) - Grey
Earth (1/4) - That2
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@Greyparrot
Mind you, Elon Musk stopped providing Starlink services when it became clear that Zelensky wanted to continue the same military operations that were waged on ethnic Russians in 2014.
Citation needed. Last I saw, it was because Congress wasn't paying SpaceX back.
Retaking the Donbas should be completely off the table in light of Ukraine's actions in 2014.
And reward Russia's invasion? Absolutely not.
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@Greyparrot
Sure, but one side is clearly better than the other as a whole. In fact, I would say that Ukraine's side in this current war is mostly good. The behavior of some of the volunteer battalions in 2014 does not change that.
Two things about your Wikipedia pages:
1. There is a whole section here that is dedicated to more modern-day Ukrainian events, and shows an overall decrease in antisemitism in Ukraine recently. While there is some fluctuation (with occasional flare-ups), it seems to be trending downward as a whole.
2. The other article attributes the majority of war crimes in 2014 to Russian-backed groups operating in Ukraine.
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@Greyparrot
Again, that terribly misrepresents the majority of Ukraine, and what this war is about, as a whole.
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Official Vote Count
Pie (1/4) - RM
Pie (1/4) - RM
Supa (1/4) - Grey
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@Greyparrot
What is your exact point here? What is your broader point here?
Ukraine is more accepting of Jews than any other country in the region, according to a 2015-16 Pew Research Center poll that was released in 2018. Interestingly enough, Russians were almost three times more likely to say they "would not accept Jews as fellow citizens" according to the poll.
So no, Ukraine hasn't become one giant Azov Movement. Those fringe movements are being used as an excuse for the invasion. It's quite easy for Russian citizens to fall for it because their view of Naziism is deeply rooted in Soviet-era propaganda that defines Naziism as basically anything anti-Russia.
I'm more shocked and saddened that so many in the American right-wing are falling for it. To me, it seems like they just saw the Democrats' virtue signaling on the issue and decided to be more contrarian than rational. What these people don't seem to realize is that it's perfectly reasonable to cheer for Ukraine while, at the same time, believing we're spending too much money on them. Personally, I think we should've sold them weapons before the war started, and that we should make Europe take a significantly larger portion of the budget now.
The worst part about this is that the American right-wing should know about this kind of ad Hitlerum attack and its uses. The Democratic Party is constantly using it against them, and yet some of them fail to see it when the same tactic is being used elsewhere. Instead, they'll just play right into the hand of the whole "conservatives are Russian sympathizers" deck the Democrats like to use. At that point, the left-wing media has the easiest time of their lives running a smear campaign against all conservatives.
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