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Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (2/4) - RM, That2
RM (1/4) - Supa
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Current Mafia:
Mharman - Conspiracy Theory Mafia - DP1
Signups:
N/A
In the Hopper:
N/A
On Hold:
Wylted - World Series of Poker (WSOP) Mafia
Supa - Kanye West Discography Mafia
Earth - Not another weebshit mafia game/Skyrim(Player choice)
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
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@SirAnonymous
I wanna see a full parity circle of every major debater on DART.
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@Vader
Users:
3RU7AL
Greyparrot
ILikePie5
Debates:
THBT: On balance, the US ought to make abortion illegal.
The majority of animal agriculture in the United States is slavery
Resolved: On balance, the Christian doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement is ethically tenable.
Forum Threads:
DDO is Shutting Down
I do not believe Shila is a bot
What has Airmax done to deliver on campaign promises?
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Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (1/4) - RM
RM (1/4) - Supa
It's been a while since I updated this, so let me know if you see any mistakes.
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Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (1/4) - RM
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Supa (2/4) - Grey, Whiteflame
Pie (1/4) - RM
Earth (1/4) - That2
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Pie (1/4) - RM
Pie (1/4) - RM
Supa (1/4) - Grey
Earth (1/4) - That2
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@Greyparrot
Mind you, Elon Musk stopped providing Starlink services when it became clear that Zelensky wanted to continue the same military operations that were waged on ethnic Russians in 2014.
Citation needed. Last I saw, it was because Congress wasn't paying SpaceX back.
Retaking the Donbas should be completely off the table in light of Ukraine's actions in 2014.
And reward Russia's invasion? Absolutely not.
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@Greyparrot
Sure, but one side is clearly better than the other as a whole. In fact, I would say that Ukraine's side in this current war is mostly good. The behavior of some of the volunteer battalions in 2014 does not change that.
Two things about your Wikipedia pages:
1. There is a whole section here that is dedicated to more modern-day Ukrainian events, and shows an overall decrease in antisemitism in Ukraine recently. While there is some fluctuation (with occasional flare-ups), it seems to be trending downward as a whole.
2. The other article attributes the majority of war crimes in 2014 to Russian-backed groups operating in Ukraine.
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@Greyparrot
Again, that terribly misrepresents the majority of Ukraine, and what this war is about, as a whole.
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Pie (1/4) - RM
Pie (1/4) - RM
Supa (1/4) - Grey
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@Greyparrot
What is your exact point here? What is your broader point here?
Ukraine is more accepting of Jews than any other country in the region, according to a 2015-16 Pew Research Center poll that was released in 2018. Interestingly enough, Russians were almost three times more likely to say they "would not accept Jews as fellow citizens" according to the poll.
So no, Ukraine hasn't become one giant Azov Movement. Those fringe movements are being used as an excuse for the invasion. It's quite easy for Russian citizens to fall for it because their view of Naziism is deeply rooted in Soviet-era propaganda that defines Naziism as basically anything anti-Russia.
I'm more shocked and saddened that so many in the American right-wing are falling for it. To me, it seems like they just saw the Democrats' virtue signaling on the issue and decided to be more contrarian than rational. What these people don't seem to realize is that it's perfectly reasonable to cheer for Ukraine while, at the same time, believing we're spending too much money on them. Personally, I think we should've sold them weapons before the war started, and that we should make Europe take a significantly larger portion of the budget now.
The worst part about this is that the American right-wing should know about this kind of ad Hitlerum attack and its uses. The Democratic Party is constantly using it against them, and yet some of them fail to see it when the same tactic is being used elsewhere. Instead, they'll just play right into the hand of the whole "conservatives are Russian sympathizers" deck the Democrats like to use. At that point, the left-wing media has the easiest time of their lives running a smear campaign against all conservatives.
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Pie (1/4) - RM
Pie (1/4) - RM
Again, easier for me to follow the vote counts throughout the DP later.
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Earth (2/4) - Pie, That2
Pie (2/4) - RM, Grey
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Earth (2/4) - Pie, That2
Pie (1/4) - RM
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Polarization is the ultimate enemy in politics.
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ILikePie5 (1/4) - RationalMadman
No change, but repeated because it makes things easier for me.
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one constant of my time on this website has been a continual cycle of quitting and rejoining
Join the club lol. It's pretty standard for long-time members to cycle between lurking and active phases.
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IlikePie5 (1/4) - RationalMadman
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@ILikePie5
I cannot confirm or deny whether scum was given a fake claim (or claims).
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@oromagi
@SirAnonymous
@Novice_II
Maybe. He's pulled within 100 elo.
I hope they have a championship debate when Novice gets close enough. It would be sick if they got within 10 elo of each other and then duked it out for the #1 spot.
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@whiteflame
I will confirm there is a themesplit.
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@RationalMadman
I can answer the first question only. There is no third party.
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@Earth
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@That2User
It's game time...
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Hello, everyone! Get your tin foil hats on; this is DP1!
Mod Confirmations:
There is no Jester.
There is no third party.
Rules (C/P'd from sign-ups):
Players may not contact each other about the game aside from in-thread and game-approved PMs. Dead players contacting the living players to better spectate the game is acceptable as long as no information is revealed or hints/tips are given to the living player. However, I strongly prefer dead players contact me for information if they want to spectate. Dead players may contact other dead players.
Spectating players may not reveal information about this game (roles, characters, etc.) since all players can see it. Any players given inside information still relevant to the game cannot replace other players.
If a player is replaced out, they may not reveal information about this game (see above) unless I specifically allow them to replace someone in the game. Mafia players cannot become replacements. If a Town player replaces a Mafia player, their former player slot no longer wins with the Town.
Once a player is dead they may not communicate in-thread. They may still communicate in game approved PMs, however. Also, players may not talk after the DP has ended. During twilight it is fine to talk, but not after final vote count and flip are posted.
No players may C/P their role PM or fake doing so. All role PMs must be paraphrased.
All questions to me about the game will be answered wherever they were posted as long as they can be answered without ruining the game. I can and will answer all hypotheticals, but cannot answer questions about unrevealed information, with a few exceptions that will already be specified at the start of the game without the need for players to ask about. Example: If a player asks if there is a cop in the game, I cannot confirm or deny that. I can, however, answer questions about how a cop would work if it were to be in the game, since that is a hypothetical.
The role a player gets will be the role that player gets. Do not ask me to have you swapped for something else, please. I will deny the request in all circumstances.
Silenced by the Secret Service:
None yet
Targeted Individuals:
1. Pie
2. Supa
3. Whiteflame
4. That2
5. Earth
6. RationalMadman
7. Greyparrot
With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. The Day Phase ends Tuesday, October 25, @ 2:00 PM EST
Good luck, and have fun!
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DP1 thread created. Posting thread and starting DP1 now.
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@SirAnonymous
That's fine, I got the players I needed. If you're down to replace if needed later on, let me know.
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Randomization complete. Sending out Role PMs.
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infamous 4chan exploits mafia
abolitionists mafia
NASCAR drivers mafia
bankrupt corporations mafia
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Role PMs will be sent sometime tomorrow morning.
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@Public-Choice
Sign-ups just got filled. You are free to watch the game and may also become a replacement later if you so desire.
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Players:
1. Pie
2. Supa
3. Whiteflame
4. That2
5. Earth
6. RationalMadman
7. Greyparrot
Replacements:
1. Barney
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@Public-Choice
How does this work?
Beginner's guide: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/21-guide-to-forum-mafia
Also, I will warn you that forum mafia is far more complex than a typical party mafia game. Since mafia communities can thrive for years, they will also develop their own play styles and recurring themes in setups. With this development comes the invention of new roles. And now that communities are borrowing roles from each other more and more, there are hundreds of different roles that could show up in any given game. Some roles may have different names, and the same name may be used to describe different roles sometimes.
Here's Drafterman's (old DDO user) list of roles. It's simpler and easier to follow than the other two: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W1E0aQ44NuOrtdmualpAotloDjlvyeE7cB30Wle1cuY/edit
This one is the MafiaUniverse Wiki. If Drafterman's list is a bookshelf, this would be a library: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/w/index.php?title=Category:Roles&pageuntil=ITA+Trainer#mw-pages
And finally here's the MafiaScum Wiki. It's like the other wiki, but it has a few roles the other doesn't, and vice versa: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:All_roles_and_modifiers
Now, you might be thinking it's too much to keep track of, but don't worry. With this variety comes a lot of roles and combinations of roles that are horribly unbalanced. So most of these roles are extremely rare in games. A few are extremely common. Typically, you can deduce what roles are in the game from what other roles you know are present.
For example, if you're Town and you see that your role is Cop (a very common role), you can deduce the Mafia has some role that can counter it, (like Godfather or Lawyer), or Town has role that nerfs it (like Miller). Sometimes, a mod will make the game interesting by using a more rare counter (like Fog), throwing players of both factions off the trail. Or a mod will sometimes use a rarer counter if the standard counter doesn't work as well for that game. But the rare roles are typically used sparingly in a game, so don't get paranoid in a game if you get caught off-guard by something.
Like, do we play the entire game in this forum thread?
Yes.
Do I have to download an app? Is it in Discord?
Sometimes you may need to use Discord. Back in the days of DDO mafia you didn't, but that's no longer the case since this site doesn't have group PMs. Since Group PMs are gone, Discord is used for the Mafia team PM, and Mason PMs if applicable.
I have played Mafia in person but how long do we have for discussions? Will this be weeks long or done in a few hours?
It's kind of arbitrary, but since this is all done online and not everyone can be active at the same time, DPs (Day Phases) usually take about three days. Some can last a week, though. As a mod, I wouldn't recommend making DPs that long; you'd be hard-pressed to find any mod that would. Week-long DPs really only exist when several time extensions are granted for special circumstances.
For this game, I'm going to go with the standard three days. One-day time extensions may be granted sometimes.
NPs (Night Phases) will be 24 hours. 12 extensions may be granted sometimes.
Of course, those are just time limits. DPs can end earlier if a lynch is reached earlier, and NPs can end earlier if all players with possible night actions submit their night actions earlier.
When does it start?
I'll post the DP1 thread shortly after the sign-ups list is full.
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@RationalMadman
Non-hydra it is, then. Are you in or do you need more time to decide?
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@Greyparrot
It might be a little OP to have two experienced players in the same slot, but I suppose I could allow it if his activity is going to be like, ~10 posts of almost nothing per day.
Ask him. If he thinks his activity is going to be that low, and he's okay with being in a hydra with you, then go ahead.
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@RationalMadman
I'm not exactly sure what "casual" means here exactly, but if you even have say, ~20% of your normal activity from MMA Mafia you'd be far in the clear I think. You were active af in that game.
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Players:
1. Pie
2. Supa
3. Whiteflame
4. That2
5. Earth
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Replacements:
1. Barney
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1. Pie
2. Supa
3. Whiteflame
4. That2
5. Earth
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Current Mafia:
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Signups:
Mharman - Conspiracy Theory Mafia
In the Hopper:
N/A
On Hold:
Wylted - World Series of Poker (WSOP) Mafia
Supa - Kanye West Discography Mafia
Earth - Not another weebshit mafia game/Skyrim(Player choice)
RationalMadman - Well-known Autistic Spectrum people
Speedrace - MCU Disney+ Shows Mafia
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@Buddamoose
@drafterman
@sui_generis
@Athias
@Mikal
"Do you understand?"
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