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Ooookaaaaaaay.
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Imma just see who the declared candidates are when it all starts. I'll vote for who I agree with, but I'm not convinced it will make a huge difference if someone else wins.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
What the hell are you talking about? Please type like a normal person.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The story of Steve King begs to differ. After more details of his comments and behavior came out, his defenders turned on him. He got destroyed by a challenger in the Republican primary in 2020 as a result.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Certified OCD moment.
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@Ehyeh
I've always seen them as, on paper, a bridge between moderation and the userbase, as well as event organizers. That being said, I do wonder if this site even needs one. Can members not talk to moderators themselves? Do we need an elected president gather the thoughts of the users? Do we need a president to organize events?
To me, the answer to all of these is "no" at the moment. I suppose it can be fun to hold a site election, but is it worth all the drama? Or is that part of what makes it fun?
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@thett3
"ptsd"
I do wonder about that. I've seen so many people claim "PTSD" over stuff that there is no sense in being traumatized by, but I have know way of knowing if that's the case here. The only way I can see it is if there was a severe complication that resulted in a near-death scenario. Perhaps that would be what got her the diagnosis she received, but I have know way of knowing that, either. It really is just a debate on the definition of PTSD.
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The title is self-explanatory. Also, I made this thread because I was inspired by Supa's thread about Chicago sports.
I want to see what others think in detail. I'll give my detailed thoughts tomorrow, it's getting late for me.
Discuss.
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Alright, I have some time tonight so I'll out my thoughts on this matter.
At the start, she should've accepted responsibility for her actions and the child she and her boyfriend created. They should've gotten married and taken care of their child together. Given how children with both parents present in their upbringing tend to be happier and function better in society, it is the moral choice. From what I can tell, the relationship between the couple was soured over the argument surrounding the child, which should have never been an argument in the first place.
At the time of the Reddit post, things are a lot more complicated. The father had a divorce that we don't know the circumstances of, and a lot of time has passed since the couple had any relationship. For this reason, I can't say for certain that they should get back together and raise the daughter together. However, I still think the mother has a responsibility to her daughter. The moral choice is to accept partial custody of some kind.
Thing that sticks out to me here is that she didn't even want or care to see her daughter. She even demanded her name never be mentioned to her daughter. At that point, it really is just hateful and selfish. There is no justification for this.
I have seen arguments that this stance is uncompassionate towards people with PTSD, but it really doesn't have to be. Although PTSD is horrible and I would not wish it upon anyone, but there are ways to treat it without abandoning responsibilities. The argument of whether PTSD is undiagnosed, overdiagnosed, or neither can be held another day, but the truth in that issue doesn't change my thoughts here regardless.
I have also seen arguments that this stance is hypocritical given how pro-lifers are constantly arguing for adoption. If that argument includes me, it fails to understand why I (and likely many others) argue for adoption over abortion. I only argue for adoption if there is no way a person can be convinced to take care of their own child. It isn't an argument meant to convince them of the moral choice, but to simply an argument meant to convince them to avoid the worst choice. Sometimes, moral advocates have to take what they can get or they make the situation worse.
For that reason I will say this: If you absolutely will not take care of your own child, put them up for adoption. You would likely do more harm than good to your child if someone attempted to force you take care of them. Still, please try to improve yourself so that the idea of responsibility in this case doesn't repulse you.
The only other arguments in opposition to my stance I have seen are all pro-abortion arguments. Stuff like "a woman should not be forced to carry a child" and "children are saved from horrible futures by abortion" and all I can say to those are the typical anti-abortion arguments: You should've made the decision on pregnancy before having sex and you have no ability to say for certain what a future person's life is going to look like.
That about sums it up for me.
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@Vader
Finally. I always thought highly of Airmax as the mod of DDO but it's pretty clear he doesn't have that willingness in him anymore. Still, I'd love for him and others to come back as normal users, but it's up to them at the end of the day. Anyways, who would we elect now that the position is open early?
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@Vader
Mind if we change this to 20 Quenstions then?
If so, I’ll start: Is it related to an anime?
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@Shila
The challenge is up. If you are unwilling to accept, then you have no right to make personal attacks on users based on elo ranking.
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@Shila
Now you seem to be bringing up an argument from another thread into this one. You want to knock my debating skills? Fine then. I challenge you to a debate. A real one, not some forum back-and-forth.
The Topic: Higher Elo on DART is Automatically a Sign of Better Debating Skills
You: Pro
Me: Con
You should have no problem accepting this debate since you are constantly using users' elo ranking as a means to evaluate them. I'll be setting it up momentarily.
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@Shila
It says I have not participated in any debates. It doesn’t say I lost the debates I participated in. In your case you lost the majority of the debates you participated in.
Again, because I gave little effort in those debates. Regardless, it is better experience than having no debates on record at all.
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@Shila
Just checked your win ration is even lower. It’s under 21%
That is because I fall into the low effort category. If you're going to try to make that ad hominem attack on me, then you should check your own profile first. Otherwise, it gives me the ability to check yours.
According to your profile, you haven't been in any debates yet. Using your own logic, it is reasonable to say that you have even less ground to stand on here.
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@ILikePie5
We weren’t involved in the process.
You weren't. I was. I will admit publicly that I was the person who sounded the alarm bells to the mod team, which is the biggest reason for my apology to Shila.
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@Shila
Hey, look Shila. Just because you aren't a bot doesn't mean you are free to make ad hominem attacks and expect people to take you seriously.
There's a saying made to counter statements like the one you just made: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Essentially, even the least intelligent person should not be counted as automatically wrong because of their low intelligence. Even people of low intelligence may on occasion see something that much more intelligent people didn't.
That being said, elo ranking isn't a good measurement of intelligence. High intelligence doesn't always show itself though a user's debating skill. It isn't even perfect for measuring debating skills.
For example, the were times on DDO (and I think once on DART) when users were accused of being "noob snipers." The practice of "noob-sniping" happens when a debater trying to make their way up the leaderboard decides to challenge competition they know for certain are inferior to them (typically new users to the site), for the sole purpose of climbing the elo ladder. This works for noob snipers because it is less risky to take on multiple opponents who are inexperienced and are worth less points than to take on a single opponent who is more well-rounded and worth more points. While there are more points to lose in the event the noob defeats the noob-sniper, it's considered to be rare enough to make the trade-off worth it for a noob sniper.
Conversely, there are some users who may not be the horrible debaters they seem to be because they are constantly challenging more experienced debaters. While they're certainly more rare, they do exist. I know of a couple uses on this site who have low elo here, but used to have high elo on DDO. While it's possible they were noob snipers during their DDO days, it isn't likely. Most of the users I have in mind proved their skills on DDO, and only have low elo here because they challenged another user from the DDO days that was just as good.
Finally, there are some users that just don't put the effort or time into it. While it is true that low effort hinders the development of debating skills, it is also true that some users who aren't developing their skills have better skills than what they have showcased on the site. After all, DART isn't the only place people can debate. They are other debating sites, other social media platform, and there is also real-life debating, casual and structured alike.
To conclude, having a higher elo doesn't mean you are of higher intelligence, and it doesn't even mean you're a better debater. If you are #1 on the site, it simply means you're the best on the site out of those who put actual effort into it (assuming you aren't a complete noob sniper who can't beat better competition). You could be the best debater on the site period, and you could also be the most intelligent user, but that is not guaranteed.
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@ILikePie5
Clearly we didn't ask the most important questions.
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@ILikePie5
Have whatever opinion on her intelligence you want. All I'm saying is that it certainly a screw-up on both mine and others' parts to conclude she was a bot and publicly made those accusations.
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@ILikePie5
Look, she seems weird, but I am already seeing why my previous case for the chatbot idea doesn't hold up as well. All I can say at this point is that she's very likely a real person.
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@RationalMadman
@Shila
Welp, turns out I was wrong. Apologies to Shila for those accusations. Thank God she was not an actual chatbot.
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Dear Best.Korea,
Ya know, when I blocked you, it was for a few days and I stopped talking to you during it. This is because I don’t seek to instigate fights with people I have blocked.
Here, you have blocked me and are pinging me despite so. And yet you say I’m doing “hit and runs.” In reality, I only blocked you because you mentioned that you were going to “take multiple posts” to rebut me and I wasn’t about to have my notifications box spammed.
To conclude, stop being a coward. If you’re going to talk to me, unblock me you pussy.
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@Vader
Well it was closer to ~40 posts per day, but the point still stands.
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@RationalMadman
I'm not getting into this too much today, but I'll post more tomorrow when I have more time. In short, I believe Shila to be a chatbot based on inhuman behavior, including:
-An incredibly high posts per day average
-A seemingly very specific posting schedule
-A slew of posts and statements that are not related to the posts it responded to
-An incapability to do anything on a webpage where there is no immediately accessible text box to write in
-A seemingly nonexistent day off since account creation
-A higher than normal focus on analyzing other users' profiles to make judgments
There a few smaller behaviors and other things that give me reason to believe it's a bot, which I'll talk about tomorrow. Real quick, to respond to your point about how it behaves to users that have blocked it. It is very possible for a chatbot to have programming that will simply go around a block, especially if it has been given the series of conversation steps and machine learning that even the most basic chatbots require. In fact, a less ethical programmer seeking to create a chatbot has every motivation to include such a feature. I would argue that any programmer that unleashes a forum chatbot on a site like this does not have any good intentions.
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@ILikePie5
The only good bug is a dead bug
Not spiders. They protect your home by killing bugs that would become general household pests. They're based for that.
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@oromagi
What is a %racist even supposed to mean?
Sounds like a speedrun category lol
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@Shila
What is your favorite lunch?
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@DebateArt.com
Nice! Just don't go crazy with it if you decide to put any ads on this site, please.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Gotcha. All that aside, I just think frogs are neat.
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@oromagi
@Intelligence_06
^^^^^ If that helps, of course.
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UPDATE: I found the Reddit post in question.
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@Intelligence_06
The “is she the asshole” question was just a poetic way of asking if what she did was immoral to you and why.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Out of curiosity, is that from a one culture or a collection of cultures? I assume the latter.
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So I was scrolling through some memes and I came across a screenshot of a 4chan greentext.
So I screenshotted it and c/p’d through my iPhone’s text reading in Images. The greentext went exactly like this:
>Decide to check out reddit to seeif its as bad as everyone says>Go to the r/AmltheAssholesubreddit> First Post I see is of a some bitch getting pregnant at 17 wanting a abortion, boyfriend pleading her to keep the child says he'll raise itChild is born she starts saying 'I hAvE pTsD fRoM iT' (NOTE: this text was in red, so I assume there is an emphasis on this part of the greentext)>Father raises child>ffw 12 years her daughter wants to meet her>Literally wants no contact>Straight up rejects her own child>Everyone cheering her on>Any people who disagree get downvoted intooblivionWhat the fuck? (NOTE: red text here as well)
Assuming the greentext was accurate in describing the situation in the Reddit post, we can ask this question: Is she the asshole?
Also, what would you say to her if you were to meet her today? And what would you say to the 4channer who posted the greentext?
Discuss.
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