Mikal

are you guys willing to give you result with luna. On god, i'd rather just mass claim at this point. Wanted to last dayphase and now im very interested in it for poe

I agree with pie on this. If we consider that role is in the game, literally anything is possible. I will eat the loss if wylted is able to make the mod give results or has a role that influences that. 

I would consider pie and wylted and was stuck on this until you say you can confirm pie. So if you can confirm pie that limits a lot of scenarios playing out. 

I am debating if I think RM is town locked. If he is town locked, then by default it has to be Casey. No other options. I think the results could help that, so I'd be interested to see how we can narrow down poe. 

I think if we do it, has to be you and pie. I'm largely useless atm because I need a dead target. If you both are willing, I think it would help with poe. I'd lke to think out every scenario 

if RM is scum, then the game just opens up but for him to be scum he would have to have claimed dreamer and a semi important character off the rip without a CC. It's possible to go balls to the wall and risk it, I just find it hard to do that with no fake claims 

Trying to think out every scenario and a lot of this hinges on RM claiming his character and role off the rip with no fake claims present. Same with wylted

Yeah I am not willing to consider there is some wild role that feeds him cop results. I'll just concede the loss. That is borderline bastard. Maybe not bastard but I am the only role that can catch that, and wylted would have to be dead for me to check it. I just don't see that is possible

If you are sure then, you are sure. I won't question it but we should get results from both you and pie soon. 

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Luna can be confirming pie for town cred? 

Could be luna RM scum 

but I still am giving RM a lot of credit for coming out off the rip with his claim. 

if RM is town 

Pie and Luna both cannot exist as scum together 

and if RM is town there is not a chance wylted can be scum because pie would have to be scum with him and if Luna is confirming pie it's not possible. 

Could be Luna +1 but I feel like I am overthinking this and it's prob just casey. 

Actually you are correct, I did not walk that through to the end. That scenario is not plausible 

If Luna is confident in his result and no way, it could have been tampered with 

Then staying with my thoughts

which is

casey + wf (or other guy)

pie luna

or 

RM +1

because I could alter that to say whatever I want, it is still a believe me situation but I would have outright killed myself over that if it got to it. I don't appreciate he told me abstain from answering a basic a question. Gives pie a answer that is different than what he gave me, then tells me to read the OP and blocks me. If it's as simple as read the OP, duh. Then answer that where everyone can see it and we are not running off a cliff. 

Pie saw a cop result. If Pie is town Wylted it town or we are already cooked. I am not even considering there is some role that gets fake investigation results. 

I think it's more likely you result is fucked. Are you for certain, whatever you are reading him off of cannot have been altered?

Im not excluding, that is scenario 2

Okay walking through my logic on this now. It cannot be pie and wylted, it would have to pie or wylted. 

Pie is confirming wylted, and luna is confirming pie. Only way this makes sense with scum involved is if Pie and Luna are scum. Initially I was thinking wylted and pie are tied but with luna confirming pie, it ties pie to luna only. I cannot fathom a world where wylted is scum if his role works like pie says it works. Because pie says he saw a result. So it can't be pie wylted, because luna is confirming pie which would make wylted pie not possible due to that confirmation. 

Scenario 1

Pie - Luna Scum Team

Scenario 2

RM +1 

Rm is leading a wild lynch chase. Now that earth has confirmed finally that no fake claims ae given the chance of him outing that early and saying a character off the rip seems unlikely. This plays to his and wylteds favor. If they pulled a gambit and just outright risked a cc on either a role or a character as the first claims, its ballsy and something to consider way later on. This is less likely than (1)

Scenario 3

This is likely the most plausible. Casey + WF (or other guy)

In this world RMS results would be correct and he would be town. So scum is between me casey and wylted. The trio of wylted luna and pie are all confirming each other. So it would have to be casey in this scenario. I think this is the mostly likely scenario and I think casey also realized that as scum which is why he pushed me. He saw it faster than me. The most logical way to play this in his shoes is to 1v1 me because trying to get around that triple confirmation (if there is no fuckery), is very hard. 

I think in order of most likely, it is (3), (2) then (1). 

I am trying to think of a world where casey is not scum and I can't. Let's assume casey flips town, that means it would have to be wylted but how would it be wylted with pie confirming him. Again it would mean scum at that point would have to be pie and wylted which isnt possible because luna is confirming pie. 

If casey flips town, scum is RM. That is the only scenario that can happy with the triple confirmation. I'd be super interested to know how luna is confirming pie 

I would ask but he blocked me

I was thinking from a balance thing on DP1 if I targeted wylted, it may have be designed for me and a (scum if wylted added them) to 1v1. Cus they could nk wylted and fake results. I could be the way to balance that. 

Would you be willing to full claim. I have a feeling it will help poe. 

If the role functions differently than normal, that is a reason to be sus. I have not seen it so was trusting her wording. You are saying she said martyr to make it fit the wiki page, but how the role functions is virgin

IE She named it martry to make it make sense, but the actual claim would and should be virgin yeah?

Read back to what Casey said without being annoyed and thematically it does make sense and fit. It does seem like it was pulled off a wiki page though.  Pie isn’t wrong. 

The justification is good and it’s not saying she died. It’s saying she would have to die to cleanse vampires of their illness which is correct. 

Martyr does Imply she would have died already ? But thematically it’s not an awful claim.

Let me double check though. She did die to become a vampire could be referencing that. I’ll look back at lore reasons in a second. Like maybe it’s her initial death. 

I buy you as town because you helped me get the answer I wanted. Don’t think scum would have gave me his discord info and Luna is confirming you 

Serena is Dawnguard. Was alive for for like ever and joins you as an npc. She doesn’t die in the quest line or by lord but she can die. So if Casey is claiming a role where Serena died thematically then yeah it’s prob bullshit. 

She can only die in game outside of lore to my knowledge. You can kill anyone in game etc but it’s not a plot point. 

I need to go back and read because I’m still fuming I spent an entire day trying to get a basic question answered and got abstain. 

If Casey does flip scum. Could be dlc vs non dlc theme 

It either pie Luna 

Or one of Casey or RM is scum 

Say we mass claim because if it’s Casey. I want to look at other roles to evaluate that 

But assuming Luna is town. We have a hard town block 

So fine. Casey or RM is scum 

Fine with lynching both 

No idea why he told me he would abstain from answering that the first time I asked. It’s weird as shit 

Told me to read the sign ups and then deleted me 

Bitched him out for not posting publicly. 

Unvote 

What I asked again 

Did you give fake claims (character or roles) to scum?

What’s his discord tag. Ima asking the same thing again in discord. 

I want to get past this but now Pie is saying he got different results than me. I’m fine with dying but when I flip town I’m going to literally laugh my ass off 

Then on the off chance this is his being dumb. The game is over because he will not confirm publicly 

One sec I’m about to cuss him out in dms. What’s his discord ?

I asked him directly 

“Did you give fake claims to scum” 

And he replied with that. I didn’t want to copy more than that because it would prob be a mod kill 

I don’t have his discord. That’s what he sent me in dart yesterday 

I copied directly what he told me and I’ll copy it again 

I’m so fucking annoyed earth won’t post. I’d rather just mark you town and kill RM or Casey. But him not confirming the fake claim thing is really bothering me 

Kinda want to no lynch and I can confirm someone. 

it could be. I just feel like there is more to earth not answering but maybe I’m going to hard into it. 

Savant also said Casey. 

Thematically I’d be most. 

Maybe dlc vs non dlc 

Also kinda makes sense why earth will no answer. RM would be the person up his ass about fake claims 

I have skipped over a lot of stuff raging at earth. 

but if you are confirming pie

It’s likely RM cus all 3 of you are town confirming each other. 

If Luna is confirming pie 

Pie is confirming wylted 

As both being town 

RM could be scum leading mislynches. 

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If Luna is confirming Pie 

Pie is confirming Wylted 

And pie and Luna are scum 

Rms result is right 

And Casey or Wylted would have to be scum and that scenario would not work. Because both and Lina would have be scum. 

Wylted. Assuming your role is real. Could you have added scum?

Define how and I’ll drop it. 

Cus then it’s Casey or RM 

I’m staying Wylted and Pie until earth confirms if he gave out fake claims. It’s a basic thing to answer 

Case for Wylted 

* 3 mins he had sent an invite. Earth saw it and added one pie had time to confirm his claim and believe he was town. (More likely he’s in a scum pm and this is a gambit)

* this allows them to steer the game and lead mislynches. 

* Wylted was largely not active during the savant Lynch at all. Pie was playing for him. He pops up when he is being directly questioned. Mirros his game with banana and I 

The only thing in their favor at the moment is the non cc cop claim and the early protagonist claim. This is huge if there is fake claims. Will adjust when earth confirms. 

I just went back and checked the time on this. 

9:14 Wylted claims. 9:17 pie is confirming him 

You want to tell me that all this happened in 3 mins when the dude lost track of votes at the same time he was doing this. He happened to read the exact question and created a discord pm and added you both in 3 mins 

It took him 3 hours to reapond to me once. The next time it was like 7

Head Thalmaor Ambassador in Skyrim. Top agent for the Thalmor and push their interests. Covertly push civil war to hunt down Talos worshippers. Have a secret dossier on the major players in Skyrim that you use to further your interests. Thusly, I am

Forensic 

I checked his status on here and was messaging him at the same time to confirm game shit. 

In general earth cant keep track of a vote count and takes forever to respond 

I’m fine with dying as long as town agrees to kill you and wylted regardless of what you say after I flip. 

I’ll change this when he confirms. 

Weirdly I think this implicates RM more than you as I don’t see yo throwing a fit about it. 

But either way it affects my reads. 

I’ll lay off you if he confirms his own game design and vote for Casey or RM

But as town, you can totally see why I don’t buy this. You and pie are in a pm Within mins when earth takes hours to respond to things. Most likely answer is you are both in a mafia pm and driving us off a cliff. The only cred I am giving you atm is how fast you claimed and there is no cop cc 

I’ll look at Casey or RM once the mod confirms his own statement. 

I agree with this. I think the difference is he publicly stated there would be no fake claims. Yours was off game mechanics “which we just talked past each other and you told me you would not confirm” 

Misunderstanding. But you didn’t type that in signups. 

The difference is this is pre game message about game design. So if he can’t confirm what he typed, there is an issue. 

Also want to point out pie is actively using that information for a town read and is linking me to the posts where he said it. So if that’s Bible 

Mod Should be able to confirm it. And until he confirms it publicly 

My vote is staying in Wylted 

Primarily because earth was offline when him and pie were Put in a pm. Sure he could have glanced it and did it in discord but I don’t buy it. Pie would have to have gotten an in game message on here and added externally to discord within mins and I don’t think earth is active enough to do that

I’ll change my vote to Casey once the mod confirms no fake claims or characters were given as he said ina signups. If not I’m death tunneling both of them the entire game