Mikal

I don’t think whatever Ana claimed would be a fake claim. It’s possible Mharm tried to use the fake claim and mixed them up 

How the fuck do you get oracle and grandpa wrong or whatever the fuck he claimed. It’s like not even the same spelling. 

I wana hear whiteflame cus he said he could confirm his shit. 

Then pick between those 3 

Tbf I’ve never seen catfish ever. 

Did Mharm slip? 

If you don’t claim i will dead ass death tunnel you and spam you the rest of the game. If you are town don’t be dumb. There is a scum in you three snd if you are town, you should not be scared. 

And needs to be sooner rather than later like now. Before they have time to think through things. 

Claim in 20 mins on the hour. 

Yes. Set a time 

Lot of people don’t like full claims but I think there is enough town confirmation to go for it here. 

It’s also very likely scum just bused wylted. He would have said he was claiming that to them I’m assuming. Which means the fake claim was very likely already used and the janitored Casey for a second fake claim Option. 

This is going to sound wild. But I think we get full claims from 

Wf 

Banana 

And Mharm 

I’m going off it’s more than likely earth is telling the truth since no one is cc’ing and if that role is used by scum we know he’s lying. So almost town locks Moozer, earth, and Austin. 

I think we get the hard claim for those 3 and pick off that/ results they got. 

Scum is in that pool and wf was pressured and said he would claim today anyway. Usually I am not for giving to much info but with the locks, I feel more confident we can Poe better off that. 

Lord there is already 3 pages and I was trying to get through in break and to much already. Going to catch up after work. 

But I need to read pies argument first Austin being town confirmed. If this is true. We should just give him the item this dp 

skimmed it and it makes sense but want to fully understand it. 

Clarifying your last read one me. I voted for earth because when I got off last night none of the wylted shenanigans happened yet. I was wanting to lynch earth at that point. 

If you read that part I was the one who said we should get wylteds claim right before I got off and it looks like everyone agreed and pressured him off that. I left the vote on earth because I know I was not able to get back on to move a vote. Glancing back at the lash dp. Whiteflame and Mharm were the main pressure targets and I was the reason we switched to wylted. Was just in bed so I could not participate in it but yea that claim was retarted and I would have auto lynched him. 

Adding to this. That claim was awful. Leads me to think a fake claim was already used 

Still catching up with this dp

I was wanting to post more than I am going to be able to do. I am actually going to concede to ana on this, she keeps saying I intend to go back and read and don't and at this point, that is accurate. Just got home, and prob need to pass out because I have to get up super early tomorrow to deal with a broken ac. I am going to post a short summary and then pass out soon for the night. Will try to answer stuff why I am here.  I mentioned we were going to run out of time and we are. We should have this game solved before we all sleep so we aren't doing last minute scrambling tomorrow morning. 

I really wanted to go back and look at motivations for why people were not buying my reads on earth but will not have the time or energy tonight. I know the basics of most of them. Pie basically said he always plays scummy, and ana is reading him town because his role and character make sense/ and because I am reading him as scum. Basically saying "Mikal think bad, so must be good cus easy mislynch".  I have not backed off this all DP and don't think I can now. I can go chasing motivations and look for reasons not to trust myself, but I my entire gut and feeling has had these two as my top two picks. 

Earth because he did not really engage until pressured, spammed a shit ton of fluff at the start, has a very obscure role, and then starting getting defensive when more pressure went his way. Not to mention he just volunteered the claim in response to hardly no pressure. 

Anas initial post has always felt like she was farming town cred, and everything after that just makes her seem more sus. How defensive she is, how some of her reads are based on how I am pressuring people, how one of her reads is because someone defended her. There is a fixation and annoyance with this where because I said that initial claim, her behavior and response has only amplified to just wanting to fight and respond to me because she can't accept the logic behind it. I am going to accept casey is right and say that sure, doing what she did may be meta on this site but the fact she can't see the logic that just because it's meta, scum can still do it as a tactic really just feels wrong 

These are my two preferences, still. 

Past that between the list everyone is agreeing to, my pick on who we get a claim from is wylted. He initially read me as towny because of how abrasive he was being and thinking scum would not be that aggressive, then he just lost interest in the game, and nothing else really stuck out until his pressure on Austin. He somewhat lied to him to get him to claim

again that could be done with good intent or bad intent. Good because he could be trying to force a slip or bad because he wanted more claims as scum. It initially found towny but the more I think about it, the more that felt insanely opportunistic. Everyone has had some kind of fucking creepy obsession with more claims. We already have soft claims, hard claims, and more than enough info behaviorally to poe and pick a decent target and we are still wanting another claim. I disagree with this but if we are agreeing to that list against my will, then I pick wylted.  

that does not mean we should lynch him, that means if we are going to be stubborn and dumb and get another claim for no reason then he is the best choice to me. Past that I have given my thoughts on my top two. I am leaving my vote on earth and I think very likely you all will have to decide where to vote because I am going to be koed pretty soon and not be able to give much more feedback. 

Will end this DP reiterating , I still feel wrong about earth and banana. 

Really hard to do this on my phone but it’s at worst a page or two back. Casey asked banana and I the same question. 

I just got asked this earlier. I can rephrase but if you scroll back you can see my response. 

Gut feeling is scum v town 

If you are asking potential combos. Off hand I have no clue. I just am posting an order based off who I consider more towny to not. 

I think it’s unlikely Austin and Wylted are scum 

It’s more like they are town on town or scum vs town. 

That is the only major dynamic between two people I’ve picked up on enough to say I think there is a possible either or 

I am bouncing around with the Poe order because I’m reverse engineering 

I feel way more confident in 

Savant 

Casey 

Pie

Wf

leaning hard on 

Earth 

And Ana 

The rest are in the middle largely by Poe and not hard scum reads. I don’t need to have all 3 scum reads right now. I need to have some scum reads and confident town reads and work backwards. 

No I’ve said this above

Earth 

Bananna 

Wylted 

Mharm 

Moozer 

Is prob my Poe order right now. I just am Semi confident with the front two. Not that I think another claim is bad but doing this all on dp1 seems risky. I still want to revisit earth and read through like I said but today has been shit and trying to get on the computer to do that. 

I really don’t like this

Do you think we have enough info to not lynch blind currently?  If we target someone the character and role will get claimed anyway. I am just saying we pick that person off behavior and should not be to heavily swayed by their claim. 

If we keep outing stuff and not following through we are cucking ourself. If we actually stay with a lynch pool, I’m fine with that. 

Are those 3 hour final lynch pool. Cus they are not mine

I do not agree with one more claim for what’s it worth but we need to decide somrthing. I much prefer just picking and lynching. 

Going to try to get on in a second and finalize my thoughts. Have spent so much time defending my reads that I need to stop and end on a recap. We are down to a few hours. So if the goal is one more claim and pick. We need to do that fast or just land on someone. Like 5 hours before are prob all asleep. Or so I would assume. 

I am taking role confirmation as a lose justification atm. Austin is technically confirmable if he’s being truthful, so os earth but there are requirements around confirmable.

It also depends on whether it’s role confirmable or affiliation confirmable. 

You are not in bottom 3 atm. Possibly bottom 4 or 5 He asked me to remove Ana and earth out of my Poe.

I’m arriving at you mostly from town reading others more than you. You and Mharm are in the same boat with me currently. 

To add to that I think it’s unlikely wylted and Austin are both scum. I think it’s one or the other. Tat interaction could have been faked and maybe they set it up but if one is scum, I think the other is town. 

That’s a tough question and something I’d have to really read back on.  It would move my Poe block around. 

Block in that scenario would be 

Moozer 

Wylted 

Austin - assuming this role can be a scum role. Never seen it. 

Mharm 

To clarify this is largely off Poe. If you are saying gun to my head scum between that bunch. Probably Moozer or Wylted. The rest are valid choices but more off Poe. Read wise behavioral, it would be those two. I liked wylted pressure on Austin initially but I am really second guessing it internally as opportunistic.

again this is off Poe because I’m town reading others more than that list as well. 

To add to that. You are saying Moozer needs to claim to claim in the sense of. Austin did so he should to.  Wylted was either trying to force a scum slip and catch Austin off guard or is scum and was being opportunistic. I am not sure which. But no, just because that happened to Austin we don’t have to be consistent and do the same thing with Moozer. In fact we shouldn’t do that. Unless we are willing to kill him. 

When I am at my computer I can flip back. I am not reading old dayphases or even old posts in this ok my phone. To much of a pita. 

Off memory I believe whiteflame, Moozer and Casey have all said your recent posts and logic revolve around our interactions or you are just typing fluff and hyper fixating on my initial read. Maybe I’m off but again going off memory. I am saying at the time of you saying I was going for easy lynches, I was the only one scum reading you and the more you have continued to post. The more illogical some of your reads come off and people have been picking up on that as well. 

Early on as in as very soon after you posted that and even before anyone mentioned it. It stuck out to me. 

You are mad I’m scum reading you and framing your reads of other people off how they perceive you, perceive me, or based on my reads of those people. Omgus by definition because you are literally looking reasons to support your confirmation bias because I scum read you. 

If you think it’s bad logic that’s fine. I disagree. I am correct that scum do what you did to farm town cred. The only varying factor on that is if it’s actually a meta on site which I have acknowledged at this point that if it is, it could be NAI. I have also said you are a gut read for me. 

You are in fact doing that. You basically said he just needs to claim. I keep saying whoever we make claim needs to die off behavior. Having a claim just for the sake of a claim is not helping us because we are giving scum more info. 

That is not an excuse just to make someone claim. I have said we need to pick a target and focus on it. You are not giving a reason why you want moozer to die. You are saying he just needs to claim. That’s dumb. 

 

Ima be honest I thought he was going to type a follow up and was waiting to see what he said lol. 

To note until I do that he is still my top choice. So leaving my vote there unless or until my opinion changes. 

I want to re read and consider the fact he is being left alive for that reason.  I do agree that at this point it’s almost a utility lynch for us. I just want to read some of this back with a different mindset first and see if I catch something. I now have a voice in my head saying no one is buying my case on this because they want to lynch him in later day phases. If they are saving him for later, it is dangerous. 

I don’t think we can afford to many more claims so if we lock in on someone. That needs to be the person we yeet and again it needs to be of behavior. I want to see if I think there is a better option after I read it back with that mindset. 

I don’t think it’s a bad read I still think it felt like you were framing town credit. I already conceded to Casey this may be some weird site meta (I also have to check this later) but it just felt wrong. Past that you are defensive as all hell. It’s like you are offended i am scum reading you and hyper focusing on me when other people are pointing out the same inconsistencies. I notated very early on that I thought it was super weird you town read Moozer just because he was defending you (now your voting him or pushing him for a claim?)  Did your read change, if so why? Your read on earth is largely based on my perception of him. It’s not a lazy analysis. It’s literal omgus which again is not AI. But just hyper fixating and basing a a majority of your reads on me all because I found your initial post as farming town cred is odd. You do realizing forcing claims just to force them is bad right? Whoever we push this time needs to be who we kill unless there is some overwhelming claim that makes it logical not to do so. We can’t keep giving up free information. 

I don’t think I’ve been inconsistent at all. In fact I think I’ve been the most consistent person in this game. Very few of my reads have changed and the ones that have, I explained in detail why they did.  

Can someone check something for me because I’m still not off for a bit. Why is Anna’s vote on Moozer if she town read him.  I can’t remember if he was in her town block but I think so 

I am not ignoring her response. Just I have explained it till I’m blue in the face and most people seem to see how I’m drawing concussions except for her. Which is why I think her behavior is just hard as shit omgus. Again not sure that is AI. But it’s exhausting at this point going back and forth when we are talking in circles. 

I will hit this list later but I think by Poe 

Earth - behavior and reasons I’ve listed. Not going back into it all again. I will admit this may change once I review and read back. I want to read back with the mindset people are town reading him or wanting to leave him alive for a Mislynch. I have not had the chance to do that yet so I am leaving him where is is currently at in my head. 

Ana - behavior and omgus. Most of her reads revolve around me. Reading people off how I read them, or town reading people defending her. I know Casey said she did this before with that2 but I have not had a chance to look back. But still this is just a hard gut read for me. Again I will try to read back on the game he is referring to before we end the day phase 

Mharm 

Moozer 

Wylted 

The bottom three are there from POE because I think most others are currently more town or have reasons to trust them for the moment. Austin for example. We can confirm his role but that also is not AI. But we can use that later to have him target a lynch to at least validate his claim. 

Those 5 atm would be what I am comfortable picking from. Again subject to change later after I read back but wanting to put it out there since we are discussing who to pressure and we are running out of time. 

My gut is still on earth and Anna with Mharm and wylted leaning more null but they would likely be on my list just by Poe. I want to make a list later and actually read back over the idea of earth being kept around intentionally like I said. 

My point is that whoever we pick. Needs to be the pick and we need to pick that off behavior because we likely can’t trust claims or roles to much. Unless it’s a damn good one. Behavior is always a better indicator. 

I can’t read through all this coherently atm but want to put out before we full pressure someone. We should absolutely make sure they are in a heavy lynch pool. If we start doing this shit where we push and all the claims start sounding good or well worded. Which I believe pie has already said about the two out there, we are going to take the risk of jumping between people and having to many claims come out. If much more come out this dp and we don’t commit to someone, we are giving mafia a huge advantage at night. 

We need to lock in on someone but need to lock in on behavior. Specially if there is a fake claim. I just can see this happening. We go person by person and every claim sounds good and then we’ve given up to much. 

I’ll post a Poe list after work but that’s not directed at anyone specific because I don’t remember everyone who has defended him or why. Just posted as a note for me to read back on later as a reminder. There is motivation to leave him alive for the scum team. 

I still think his behavior is scum sided or as I mentioned, at best anti town. He’s still currently at the top of my Poe but want to look at motivations deeper about why people are defending him and if the logic is consistent. 

I’m really curious about who is null reading most people without a stance on anything. 

When I think of shows I think of more classic shows. My show is classic. Survivor is certainly new and I am not sure I buy into a certain year split but I do wonder based on my show if it’s older shows vs newer or something like that 

Survivor is not what I think of when I think of a game show. at least not in a traditional sense 

I don’t want to get bogged down on this and largely have not considered it with my reads on earth and I think more info will come out as other characters come out which will validate  or invalidate that thought . 

Debating if I say it now just in case I get yeeted but it prob comes out naturally. 

Fuck it

I’ll visit this again in later day phases 

Okay boys and girls. We need to start focusing in on a target. 10 am tomorrow the day phase ends. That’s going to be right as I’m waking up and I don’t want to rush during work trying to solve the game. We need this locked in before midnight so we can sleep and not be rushing to solve shit tomorrow morning. 

I am going to think some during work and I’m still contemplating the idea earth is being left alive intentionally. We need to build a Poe. 

It’s a thought. If all this is town va town bickering. They have very little incentive to give opinions or interject and there has not been a strong enough wagon for anyone to ride on. That thought is actively bothering me now. 

I can’t look but who has largely been offering reads to placate people or posting null reads?

I notated this in a read above. It’s heavy omgus. It’s mostly NAI but scum do tend to do it. But yeah I said she town read you off the fact you defended her if I recall. It stuck out to me. 

A lot of her reads and theories are based around whether people agree with her or are defending her which all comes from the fact that I scum read her 

She calls it trying to go for a Mislynch when I’m the only one even sussing her 

She is largely defending earth (off of memory cus on phone) because I am scrum reading him 

She is town reading you because you defended her. 

I don’t even think I got the Casey portion 

But is is swimming in the omgus juice atm. 

Read above. I am pondering the idea of scum wanting to leave you alive for later. Want to sit on that a bit 

Bitch, I work 10-13 hours a day atm. I can respond actively and read through what is happening because of downtime and the nature of my job. That does not mean I have the time to go back and read full games. I also never said I would not go do it, I just have not had the time to dig through past ones currently. This is 600 posts and is a very active game. Trying to keep up with this. 

I have played with you before and I just find it hard to believe your play is the same as 5 years ago. Even Mharm has gotten more towny with his reads and analysis but I know what pie is referring to 

I also am loling you are telling that is some kinda tell that I have not dig through past ones yet when it took people bitching at you to get you to read the one you are playing. 

Like what if they are wanting him to stay around. I have work all day and will be around when I have some free moments but I’ve never actually considered that. He’s logically and behaviorally scum and I feel like it’s glaring fucking obvious to anyone that plays mafia. So why is no one buying it or willing to entertain it?  

Need to think more on this. Posting it so when I read back earlier, I can follow my logic. 

I just had an epiphany as I was typing that.  What if earth is town and scum are not pushing or jumping on the lynch because he is an easy Mislynch?

If you flip town it will suck and ill Probably be mad at myself and make a mental note that pie is right, you just play scummy as fuck. But the fact you are playing scummy and all behavior reads point to scum, I would not regret it because it prob would have got you questioned or lynched later. The only thing you operate on is a Poe and reads.  Your behavior is scummy as shit at worst and anti town at best.