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I'm trying to decide what role would make sense for the final mafia member.
For one mafia to be a goon, the other member has to be fairly loaded to balance out the watcher and two confirmed protective roles plus whatever Croc claims (unless he's mafia which is fairly likely in my view).
Maybe a mafia JOAT?
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@blamonkey
@whiteflame
@Speedrace
@gugigor
Does the 3rd sound good for people? Gives everyone some time to make cases. We're not doing any other prep so it'll take less time.
Since we have an uneven number, I'd suggest what we did last time: somebody sits out initially and then participates later
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OK.
We have 2 on UN, 1 on metadata, 1 on Disney and one with no preference.
I guess we're going with the UN topic then for now. We can do the others next time.
I'll assign teams and sides soon.
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@Speedrace
any preference on the topics proposed so far?
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@ILikePie5
Not a democrat but incumbents have a big advantage in re-election statistically.
This means that the next matchup is likely going to be Trump vs. Biden part 2.
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@whiteflame
could just be they didn't see the opportunity. Even still, Croc has been negative utility to town all game.
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@whiteflame
to be fair I'm not sure which users are on right now
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I forgot to note this earlier, but Bringer's affiliation essentially confirms me. He spent the entire first DP trying to get me lynched.
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Out of everyone here I think Croc should be the one we pressure. He has posted next to nothing still, and as I said above, mafia seems to be made up of inactive/noobs.
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Also, no one has pointed this out yet but it seems fairly obvious: the theme split seems to be black nationalists vs. other black leaders.
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@oromagi
I suppose it can't hurt.
I'm Duke Ellington. I'm vanilla. I got sent the "you have no special abilities but you can influence the game with your voice and your vote" thing too.
I would normally question having three vanillas, but considering that this game was slapped together so quickly on Danielle's end and that one of the mafia was a measly goon, I'd say the balance is making sense so far.
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@Bringerofrain
My rule of thumb when it comes to this is that it is OK to put an animal down when they can no longer enjoy the things they used to.
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This DP got posted extremely late, telling me that the remaining scum member is likely a player that has been pretty inactive. As Oromagi said, that would be Croc or Supa.
Of the two I'm actually leaning towards Croc b/c mafia seems rather inexperienced. If I were in their place I would've left Speed alive as he was prime mislynch material.
Oromagi, I'm guessing you didn't watch who Pie targeted?
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@ILikePie5
Don't we wanna make sure no one counterclaims Oro?
Although I guess if he's lying we can just lynch Oro tomorrow.
Fine.
VTL Bringerofrain
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Ah, I'm not hammering until Bringer logs on, but TOWN is in a good spot now.
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So Speed was telling the truth... Our assumptions on how roles work should play less of a role in this game now that we know this...
Also, this is a weird NK because it seems like Speed would be a good mislynch target for mafia. I'm thinking mafia might be made up of inexperienced players because of this.
Also also, with Speed's character & role, this confirms what I've been saying all along: while we may not have explicit justifications, generally our roles will make sense given our characters. Don't know why Bringer sussed me over that but the point is moot now.
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@Vader
yeah. Let's just wait to see what goes down. Having used lawyer as a mafia role myself it's definitely sus.
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@Bringerofrain
He claimed his role had justification. He seems like the only person who is saying that,
But I never claimed I had a justification. At least not an explicit one. It wasn't hard to connect the dots lol.
and then he seemed to change his story later hinting that it was a trap which also would be problematic because he wouldn't have enough information about role justifications prior to everyone discussing them anyway.
You're acting like this was some sort of super big brained strat... Not really. This is done pretty often in mafia dude.
I knew I didn't have a "because ___, you are ___" statement and was town, & I knew Speed didn't have one either. That's pretty obvious evidence that town wasn't required to have a justification this game. What we didn't know is if all of town didn't have justifications or if it was just a few, so asking everyone made sense to establish a pattern & find any inconsistent stories (i.e. scum).
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@Vader
Now I am going to watch Attack on Titan S4 EP11 and then poop
How was the poop?
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@Vader
1) We should not overlook Speed's claim. The activity in this game is LOW and his claim could slip by us if it is not pressured. We should not town read him at all because he claimed. However, I do think Danielle could have a role like this for town, but I still will not excuse Speed
Yes, Speed's claim is the scummiest thing we have to go on so far, but if he can be confirmed I see no harm in keeping him alive for one DP.
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Supa's inactivity has been going on for the past 2 weeks... I'm not super surprised he's dead this game.
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I vote UN/India topic as well.
Just wanna hear from Speed.
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@whiteflame
@Speedrace
@gugigor
This makes 4 total. I'll wait to give an opportunity for others to express interest. In the meantime, which topic do we want to do out of the proposed ones so far?
Resolved: The United Nations should grant India permanent membership on the Security Council.
THW nationalize and provide public access to the Metadata being gathered by online multinational companies.
THW break up Disney.
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Kind of wondering how grand cross will go lol. Should be fun
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@whiteflame
Out of the two, breaking up Disney seems more intriguing.
If not that, I'm kind of wanting to do the India topic actually.
Resolved: The United Nations should grant India permanent membership on the Security Council.
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@Bringerofrain
I just wanted a claim out of him because he may be harder to read in future DPs. Right now I think the fact Chris is the only person who has mentioned role justification is problematic and would like to hear thoughts from others
not problematic at all. I was just poking for town tells and scum tells. I know that I'm town and I also know that I have no explicit justification, so if someone came out and said "I have one! Time to lynch Speed!" the gambit would've paid off.
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@oromagi
I don't have a justification although it is not hard to connect character to role
Exactly, same as me
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@Bringerofrain
Okay, can anyone tell me if oromagi quotes random things every game or if this is just something maybe he is forced to do as part of his role this game or what exactly is going on?
I think he's just trying to bump activity in his own Oromagi way
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Hi folks, round 2 of live practice debating is here!
This time, I'm wanting to do a minimal approach where both sides come to the table with only a constructive, and no other prep! This will force us to think of rebuttals on our feet, which I'm horrible at.
I'm thinking of doing a simple Public Forum 2 team style debate as follows:
Team A Speaker 1: Constructive (4 mins)
Team B Speaker 1: Constructive (4 mins)
Crossfire between both first speakers (2 mins)
Team A Speaker 2: Rebuttal (4 mins)
Team B Speaker 2: Rebuttal (4 mins)
Crossfire between both second speakers (2 mins)
Team A Speaker 1: Summary (3 mins)
Team B Speaker 1: Summary (3 mins)
Grand crossfire between all speakers (3 mins)
Team A Speaker 2: Final Focus (2 mins)
Team B Speaker 2: Final Focus (2 mins)
I'm open to all topic suggestions. If you want to participate let me know, we need at least 4 people.
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@whiteflame
OK. Mine includes an implicit justification. But nothing explicit like "because blah blah blah, you are blah blah blah"
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@Bringerofrain
If not, that's a good reason to sus him.
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@Bringerofrain
I'm under the impression that doesn't matter. This can either be a scum roll or a town roll. Roll confirmation is not Town confirmation in speed.
True but I'm talking about Speed's statement that he has no justification for his role. I want to know if others in town are the same.
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I'm Charles Hamilton Houston, I'm a lawyer and can stop someone from being lynched in the following day phase, no justification
Can anyone confirm Speed here? Are we all without justifications or is it only Speed?
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I find it interesting that Lawyer would be used in this game despite being used in my last game and the game with Lunatic before... and not just that, but it would be a completely different variant of the role that is somehow town-aligned. Still, Speed claiming off the bat looks good for him. I won't make anything of it until further along.
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@oromagi
Nope not claiming anybody. Just making a BHM related joke.
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glad we're back in business. Was worried I killed mafia there for a while.
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@Lunatic
If you rejoin we can start
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@Vader
just go with 9. If we can get Lunatic back that's 10.
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@Bringerofrain
you could always use an image resizer: http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/
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@RationalMadman
hmmm... I think it was three to five months back? I'll take it again.
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