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@ILikePie5
I've been mostly focusing on analysis up until this point so I'm not really sure what you mean. The thing that's changed is that it is MYLO and I have a very clear idea of who the scum is because it's down to me and you with POE.
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@Sum1hugme
If I debated you personally, I'd be able to tell better. I just vaguely remember some debates from you that I have judged in the past
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@Sum1hugme
hmmmm... It's difficult for me to say where your weaknesses are specifically other than I've noticed you drop important details from time to time in your rebuttals.
I suggest you read the following:
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@Reece101
I don't know about the forums, but there have been plenty YEC debates on the site regarding those topics. Really, the meat of religion is history and theology though.
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@ILikePie5
mmm yes it's so scummy to not want to advertise to scum exactly where all the power roles are going to target yes
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@ILikePie5
I wouldn't be terribly opposed to it however.
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@ILikePie5
you're assuming anyone would even want to replace, or that those who could don't already know who is what
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@ILikePie5
I want him to watch where he believes you will strike.
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@ILikePie5
I don't know who Oro should target and I don't think it's our place to tell him. You're unpredictable with who you NK and I want to keep his movements similarly unpredictable.
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@Vader
Sure, WIFOM until you get your Godfather lynched and lose the game.
I know I wouldn't support it if I were on the scum team.
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At this point I'd settle for a VTNL if Oro can use his watcher role effectively.
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Hi I'm back... So I have a few additional things to point out as well.
- If I'm the godfather why would Bringer spend the entire DP1 trying to bus me? I would be our most powerful role by far. It would be idiotic.
- My PM wasn't terribly lengthy like the ones Danielle has put up post mortem so maybe she was planning on adding to it. It mentioned who I was and the couple facts about me I mentioned.
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@ILikePie5
I frankly think Godfather would be easily outweighed by 1 protective role, 1 killing AND protective role, a watcher, and a justice (an OP role when 2 players is 25% of the entire game). The remaining mafia member only makes sense as you.No it wouldn’t because GF inherently prevents POE cause I’m the Justice.
Right. We all get that GF isn't detected by you. Point is, it's not like you're the only role. GF can't counter watcher and the killing and protective roles, only you. So you've conveniently spun a narrative around your claim but ignored that the balance makes no sense, especially since your role ensures that the goon is fucked. It makes much more sense for mafia to have a JOAT or something.
OK so Oro is town. Glad we agree.Oro and Supa are town. If either of em was scum they would’ve hammered by now.
OK. So it's between me and you then.
I vote you.
Bringer would've instructed Croc as to which person to kill and all Croc would've had to do is log on Discord and say the word without even reading the DP. You just made up Croc not using his role.Speculation much? So why’d the NP not end early lol
Because this is Croc and Croc does everything at a rate of never.
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@ILikePie5
A GF wouldn't balance out all these roles when the other mafia member is a goon. The best answer to the problem is that you're NOT a Justice and you're scum.If there’s a Godfather it would make perfect sense cause POE leads to lynches like last round. Easy mislynches for scum as GF
I frankly think Godfather would be easily outweighed by 1 protective role, 1 killing AND protective role, a watcher, and a justice (an OP role when 2 players is 25% of the entire game). The remaining mafia member only makes sense as you.
Oro is confirmed because he outed scum.That doesn’t mean he’s confirmed. He could be bussing. If he was scum he’d lynch you rn, which makes him town tho.
OK so Oro is town. Glad we agree.
That's because Bringerofrain was alive NP1. Croc being the only scum member left makes more sense for reasons stated above.That makes no sense. If this is true why didn’t NP2 end faster lol. You’re saying NP1 was fast cause Bringer was alive but NP2 was slow cause he was dead, but then how’d an NK happen NP2 lol
Bringer would've instructed Croc as to which person to kill and all Croc would've had to do is log on Discord and say the word without even reading the DP. You just made up Croc not using his role.
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@ILikePie5
Please don't be swayed by Pie.it's mathematically impossible for his reasoning to be true...1 scum, 3 town...2v2 split on whether we have implied justifications or not...Clearly Oro is being the Third Imposter
Now you are flailing.
There can only be one scum because 50% scum or more = game over.
Clearly this has no bearing on who is town.Consider the other things too:- Pie ruins the game's balanceNo it doesn’t. There was no investigative role to begin with. Justice makes perfect sense with Godfather. Only way to catch GFs is Tracker/Watcher.
A GF wouldn't balance out all these roles when the other mafia member is a goon. The best answer to the problem is that you're NOT a Justice and you're scum.
- Why would Oromagi, a watcher, have more details than Pie, the most OP power role of the game?Wym. My role doesn’t work properly if there’s a godfather or lawyer.
I'm saying that your claim to be a Justice and have NO other details while Oro, the most town confirmed player here has them makes no sense.
- Oro is town confirmed whereas Pie isn't.No one is confirmed. Oro is 95% town tho because Watcher has to exist with a GF from my POV. My role cannot confirm anyone unless I caught Bringer NP1 but Croc chose Supa and Chris.
Oro is confirmed because he outed scum.
- When Croc was Croc, NPs took the entire allotted time to finish. When Pie is Croc, they finish in a reasonable amount of time. That's not a coincidenceNo it didn’t. NP1 ended fast. NP2 took the entire time which is consistently with Croc never showing up and forfeiting his night action.
That's because Bringerofrain was alive NP1. Croc being the only scum member left makes more sense for reasons stated above.
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@Vader
Please don't be swayed by Pie.
it's mathematically impossible for his reasoning to be true...
1 scum, 3 town...
2v2 split on whether we have implied justifications or not...
Clearly this has no bearing on who is town.
Consider the other things too:
- Pie ruins the game's balance
- Why would Oromagi, a watcher, have more details than Pie, the most OP power role of the game?
- Oro is town confirmed whereas Pie isn't.
- When Croc was Croc, NPs took the entire allotted time to finish. When Pie is Croc, they finish in a reasonable amount of time. That's not a coincidence
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@ILikePie5
Still more likely than her not including details for you but including them for a watcher.
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@ILikePie5
I should rephrase that, I think you're least likely to be telling the truth.
Danielle not bothering to include details for vanilla is one thing, but I would think she would include something for you. Plus with you, town is absolutely LOADED in comparison to scum. The balance makes no sense
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@ILikePie5
through simple math we know that there has to be town players both having no justification and having implied ones. Of the people here, I think you're least likely to have no justification at all so that's why I'm voting you. Supa is simply being manipulated
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@ILikePie5
Well mine and Oro's aren't, and there can only be one more scum otherwise the game would already be over.
I'd say that going off of that alone is stupid.
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I think Pie is playing us for fools. I can see Vanilla having nothing more to say but Justice? And with Oromagi's also containing more detail then I'm obviously not the only one here.
VTL Pie.
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@Vader
I don't even know how to respond to that. I have full details in my PM and I assumed everyone else did too.
I'm town so this is bastard modding if I've ever seen it
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@Vader
So literally like "you are Billy Bob Joe. You are vanilla town"
and nothing else
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@Vader
You're telling me you had a character name and your role, and nothing else whatsoever? No other text? No details about who you were and what you did?
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@Vader
You think it's more likely for Danielle to be modifying role pms post mortem?!!
You're delusional
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@ILikePie5
I’m literally a role and there is no justification whatsoever. He literally scum slipped so hard
Then explain the numerous pieces of OBJECTIVE evidence I've given.
I'm clearly within the MAJORITY having an implied justification.
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@Vader
Well then YOU are the outlier and we should lynch YOU
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@ILikePie5
It's a summarization of what I think my justification is and a consolidation of the evidence Danielle gave for that.
How is that hard to understand? It's not a direct quote, there was no "because ___ you are ____"
it's IMPLIED.
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Even the MAFIA member Bringer had an implied justification.
"So at this point it's unclear if he is more committed to his own status and the status of his group, then he is to ensuring the best opportunities for black people. In this game, Louis Farrakhan is indeed a mafia Goon. He had no special abilities, but could influence the game with his voice and his vote."
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@ILikePie5
Speedrace dies DP2 and his justification is clearly there although implicit
"Known as "The Man Who Killed Jim Crow," Charles Hamilton Houston (Speedrace) was a black lawyer who helped play a role in dismantling the Jim Crow laws and helped train future Supreme Court justice Thurgood Marshall. Houston played a role in nearly every civil rights case before the Supreme Court between 1930 and Brown v. Board of Education (1954). His brilliant plan to attack and defeat Jim Crow segregation by using the inequality of the “separate but equal” doctrine (from the Supreme Court’s Plessy v. Ferguson decision) as it pertained to public education in the United States was the master stroke that brought about the landmark Brown decision. In this game, Charles Hamilton Houston was a town Lawyer that could defend other people's rights. During the night phase he could submit the name of a player he wished to protect from being lynched the following day phase."
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@ILikePie5
Your "scumslip" is literally so stupid.
Post #69 of Day Phase ONE I tell people I have an implied justification https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5689/post-links/248278
Post 90 Oromagi also says he has one https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5689/post-links/248475
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@Vader
Then we're different. I've been saying since the beginning that I have an implied justification and so has Oromagi.
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How many times will I have to explain this?
There is no EXPLICIT Justification but the roles make SENSE relative to the character.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
I didn't have an explicit justification dummies. It was implied. Just like you can clearly see the implied justification in Whiteflame: she wasn't recognized.
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Looks like Pie is flailing for a mislynch after Oro's post... which is why he's raving about a non-existence scumslip.
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@ILikePie5
How so? Danielle gave those details and that is the obvious implication I can see, that the reason I am vanilla is because I was held back during my career from achieving my fullest potential.
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I have some thoughts on what Oromagi is saying but I'm going to finish school first.
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@ILikePie5
I'm now recognized as one of the greatest in jazz history, but racism held me back during my career... I didn't receive a Pulitzer prize until after I had died & I had a hard time finding places to perform
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@Fruit_Inspector
@Theweakeredge
debate debate debate debate
"Resolved: Masks effectively prevent the spread and contraction of COVID-19"
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So I caught up last night, and that turn of events was... interesting.
For one, Pie's role kind of bothers me because it makes town pretty stacked in comparison to what we've been assuming is a two mafia team (one of which is a hecking goon). I'll wait to hear his results this DP but I don't think this could be balanced out by even a godfather on the mafia side like what was conjectured...
I'm also pretty stumped as to why there is no mafia kill. Did mafia forfeit or does town have a protective role left we don't know about already? If it's the latter then mafia for sure doesn't just have a godfather left.
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@Fruit_Inspector
@Bringerofrain
As for whether the current mandates are justified, that is another matter entirely, one where I admittedly would need to do more research to give an informed opinion.
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@Fruit_Inspector
@Bringerofrain
My original statement gives no opinion on whether the current legal mandates are justified. My statement aims to disprove the idea that the legal mandates will remain for "years" longer. People simply won't stand for it when the majority of them have become vaccinated, and frankly I think the mandates may removed before then due to outcry.
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@sadolite
When the pandemic dies down, the tradeoff between liberty and safety when wearing a mask will favor liberty once more. There's a reason no one wore masks up until the pandemic came. The pandemic is indeed in its final stages, we just need people to vaccinate and not be stupid.
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I think RM's reaction here proves the point being made: the lines drawn with what speech should be banned as hate speech are emotionally driven and not based on any sort of objective criteria. Most people would not object to discussing whether hate speech should be banned altogether, but RM wants to prevent the discussion from even happening. The government would be like RM, listening to the vocal minority on these issues and shutting down crucial discussions before they can even happen.
Do we really want the government's majority party to define what speech is/isn't acceptable? When has that ever worked out favorably in history?
There was a time when the majority in our government supported slavery. This could be the case again.
What if you're a Democrat? Well, while Republicans don't typically cancel you currently, what if that changes? Do you want to have your speech outlawed because of some unforeseen religious revival that condemns homosexuality?
If you're a Republican, you're being told currently that speaking out against your perceived murder of children makes you a woman-hater. This should be an obvious example of a discussion that needs to happen but could be shut down.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I can update mine, so I'm not certain what the problem is. Must be on your end
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