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@Vader
I am Anti NP1 Vig-Shot.. There isn't enough evidence to decide on someone's fate by just reading behavior
Agreed. Also the potential for a PR being taken out is too high.
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@Vader
Bringer is town. Fmpov, his play in this game versus last game is so drastically different that there is no way in hell that if he was scum, he would change his behavior that much
How's his play different?
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We need to decide if we want Grey to use his vig role. If we do, we need to waive the lynch or else mafia might get 3 town kills bringing us straight to MYLO.
I'm leaning towards Grey not using it.
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@Lunatic
iLikePie- His interaction with bringer seems scummy to me. He initially seemed to ignore bringer's FOS on him, and was all too eager to forget about it when bringer switched to supa. He only brings it up again after bringer revotes him, asking people for opinions about it while STILL not forming his own about it. I care more about pie's thoughts on bringer apparently "Pushing him for nothing" than I do about others. It's like he's throwing it out there that it's scummy to see if anyone will bite, but not wanting to put his money where is mouth it. Which suggests to me that maybe bringer is on the money here. Also the supa push feels lazy and like an easier option for him to push than anyone else. I haven't been posting much either, why am I not being accused of lurking?
If Bringer were town and Pie were scum, in my view I'd think Pie would have a much more fruitful time pushing Bringer, especially given the general town reaction against the Supa push.
I'm wondering if this implicates a Pie-Bringer scum team? Remember last game, I was bussed by Bringer quite a bit in the first DP so I don't put it past him to use the same strategy again.
If not that, then it at least casts some doubt for me as to Pie being scum. His push on Supa seems like a town Pie being stubborn more than anything to me.
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@Lunatic
I think descriptions matching characters to role is more important. I don't care if they have Mike Tyson, if Mike Tyson is Vanilla, that's automatically sus.
It seems to me that roles and characters are pretty loosely tied this game.
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@whiteflame
Pie has been leading the way on pushing Supa, and while it isn't unusual for him to push a lynch this early off of so little, I think the fact that he's still on it when he's getting very little support doesn't help his standing.
Right but that's the thing: If Pie were scum I'm pretty sure he'd morph his standing when town turns against him. Instead he's being classic stubborn town Pie. Now, if Pie does a 180 on Supa I'm going to sus him big time, but for now I'm not sure this is enough to push his lynch. Maybe a claim would be appropriate though.
Bringer has been jumping around with his votes more than most, and while I know the least about him, he seems like he's being really easily influenced this game. His efforts to make it sound like he's town confirmed because his character got confirmed also stick out a bit as an effort to manipulate perception.
This has been bothering me about Bringer. Also note that he retracted the statement "as a joke" when town started to scrutinize it. Of the two, Bringer is most scummy to me.
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@ILikePie5
Nah it's genuine. That's actually a good plan if you were scum, I'm surprised you haven't already done it. Although now the whole idea's ruined
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@ILikePie5
Well as long as you're self-aware of that fact I'm leaning town on you for now.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah actually why wouldn't you? That's a brilliant scum plan on your part why haven't you done this
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@oromagi
He isn't one? Like every vig we've had for the entire time I've been playing mafia has been X-shot lol.
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@ILikePie5
well hey, that still makes it technically true
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Anyway I'm pretty torn on whether Grey should use his role tonight. It may confirm him but I'm not sure confirming Grey would be worth the potential killing of power roles, and we may also wish that we had his vig role later on when we've done more narrowing down of suspects.
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@Vader
Nah, he said that he didn't want to shoot yet. Which makes sense considering I specifically remember town telling him why he shouldn't use the role until later in the game a while ago. I can't remember which game that was though
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@Vader
I still think Pie is scum but Grey's having less caution is somewhat against the norm I saw in his live mafia.
You mean Grey having more caution than usual?
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@ILikePie5
I meant Pie is scum or a power role when he’s active. And Pie uses lol when he’s scum. Both are rather stupid.
First one is accurate from my experience, second one is not.
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Grey not wanting to vig doesn't mean much. I remember town getting onto him in earlier games about not using the role when he claimed it, so its not really surprising to me that he's being cautious.
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@Bringerofrain
That town confirms me. Nice. The only town co firmed player wants to lynch supa. Let's do this
??????????????
how are you town confirmed from this?
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@warren42
Oh yeah he is mega lurking.
How many votes on Supa rn?
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@Bringerofrain
I'm wondering if the theme split could be retired boxers vs. non-retired ones. Is that even a possibility with Warren saying the theme is current boxers?
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@Bringerofrain
they have to be currently active. Warren said so in the beginning of the game lol..
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@Bringerofrain
BoxRec lists those same fights as title fights:
your website also lists them as title fights (you have to open the table):
"WBC Silver Heavyweight Title
WBO International Heavyweight Title
vacant EBU European Heavyweight Title
Commonwealth (British Empire) Heavyweight Title
BBBofC British Heavyweight Title"
He fought in the Olympics in 2016, yielding a silver medal.
Ranks as #8th best heavyweight according to Transnational boxing rankings.
Love how anyone you haven't heard of is automatically a "nobody" lol
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@Bringerofrain
I looked him up on Wikipedia, so Warren must've messed up.
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@Bringerofrain
I am Joe Joyce. You see that. A nobody. Literally the mafia has a ton of room to fake claim. And the character claim leaves you guys scratching your head as to the role. Character claims at this moment are harmless.
"Joseph Obey Joyce is a British professional boxer who has held the British, Commonwealth, European, WBC Silver, and WBO International heavyweight titles since November 2020."
Grey's boxer is a nobody also. If he named somebody like Mike Tyson or Muhhamed Ali or sugar ray leonard than my ears would perk up. I never heard of these people. Anybody got a famous boxer like that George guy? Or
LMAO you couldn't be more wrong.
"Deontay Leshun Wilder is an American professional boxer. He held the WBC heavyweight title from 2015 to 2020, making ten successful defenses. Wikipedia"
We're talking about current boxers here. The glory days of Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson are over, and boxing has declined in popularity substantially. Just because you personally haven't heard of these people doesn't mean they are nobodies. You're being pretty stupid.
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@Bringerofrain
That's the thing, I don't think Warren would choose any old boxer for town. I know mine is notable, Grey's certainly is. If scum resort to lesser known boxers it'll be easy to sniff them out. Popcorning randomly may do more harm than good in this regard as they can claim more confidently...
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If we popcorn they have a greater ability to choose a well known boxer no one knows of, however.
I need my coffee.
I meant that they have a greater ability to choose a well known boxer no town player has. If we popcorn claims, we make fake claims all the easier for them.
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@Bringerofrain
Personally I think I am just going to character claim anyway. Not sure it matters with all the possible fake claims anyway. The only risk is ruining the theme analysis which is typically useless anyway. At least on mafiascum it tends to be useless.
I don't think the theme split will be obvious in this game, and I can already tell the justifications for our roles are a bit loose, so you're probably right about mafia having a lot of options here and that is exactly why we shouldn't be popcorning claims so fast. Warren likely chose better known boxers (Grey is Deontay Wilder for god's sake), I bet mafia will be the odd ones out with some obscure claim and it'll be easier to pick them out. If we popcorn they have a greater ability to choose a well known boxer no one knows of, however.
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@fauxlaw
OK, cool! By the way, you can DM Mike and he can manually change your email if needed.
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ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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@fauxlaw
It's a feature that has been pitched before. Mike's implementation of it will take some time but I'm fairly certain its on his to do list
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@oromagi
I mostly mean those that were original compositions like as in Thor, or the Star Wars soundtrack.
Good picks!
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I'd say a contender for my favorite is the Thor movie soundtrack:
It's so grand and majestic with the brass instrumentation and big drums. As a former trombone player it definitely ticks all my boxes.
What about you folk?
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@fauxlaw
Regardless it's a good move on Biden's part.
Cuomo's sexual assault/harassment allegations are probably bullshit though.
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@Danielle
yeah it was balanced. I pushed that it wasn't for a Pie mislynch but alas
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@ILikePie5
despite the screwup I think this game enhanced my scum play somewhat
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@ILikePie5
well it definitely worked. I'm surprised I managed to survive as long as I did.
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@ILikePie5
For sure. Oromagi may want to keep his notifications off for a while... lol
Kudos for using my ignorance on the PMs against me. I thought by "no justification" you guys meant the "if ____, then ___" thing was missing and that was all. Danielle's PMs to the scum were similarly vague but they had extra details that kept me from realizing until it was too late
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@Vader
shhh I'm trying my hardest
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@RationalMadman
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@ILikePie5
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I pressure people in every game, I just only do it when I see a reason to.
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