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@Greyparrot
He seems uninvested since he knows we've got him pinned through POE.
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@Greyparrot
Please vote. If town loses this I'm going to be so pissed. We have this in the bag.
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@Greyparrot
@warren42
100% Bullish. This literally confirms my theory.
Both Speed and Supa were town, exactly as I predicted.
Anyway, I'm not entirely sold on a Speed lynch but I think Supa's trying which is a good sign.Of the people here, I think Bullish (Bringer) is the most likely scum candidate for reasons I've given before but are now enhanced:
- Town has 2 cop roles. Scum need a powerful role to counter them (role cop is weak in utility to scum), and while Bringer was investigated innocent, him being a godfather is just about the only thing that makes sense here.
- Bringer had spent the entire game lynch hopping and using extremely flimsy logic to push wagons.
- Bringer continually retracted statements as behavioral tests or jokes
- His revealing of Supa as innocent seems to be an attempt to win "town confirmation," and he uses the result to narrow down his scum reads to me and Speed (I know I'm town, and while Speed could be scum I'm thinking he's town too). Scum only need a few mislynches to win this now, so this adds up.
- Bringer spent the entire time when I was scum with him bussing me. Pie has spent entire games bussing his scum partner too. This seems like the obvious strategy they would come up with.
- Warren seemed desperate to replace Bringer, and I suspect, had the DP's length gone up before he was replaced, TOWN would have automatically won.
- All Bullish had to do to claim vanilla just now was scroll back through Bringer's post history and see what Bringer claimed. I don't buy that as evidence of TOWNhood.
VTL Bullish/Bringer.
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@RationalMadman
it's a satirical statement meant to illustrate a point.
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@Vader
I DONT KNOW PROBABLY 1 SINCE IT'S 8 PERSON
In my guesstimation this is probably correct, although this was a 9 person game lol.
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@Speedrace
Pie is scum lol, Warren said so
Right. Role cop is weak. Scum needs some role like godfather to counter TOWN.
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OK. Sorry for tapping out so long guys but this game has been pretty dead lol.
Anyway, I'm not entirely sold on a Speed lynch but I think Supa's trying which is a good sign.
Of the people here, I think Bullish (Bringer) is the most likely scum candidate for reasons I've given before but are now enhanced:
- Town has 2 cop roles. Scum need a powerful role to counter them (role cop is weak in utility to scum), and while Bringer was investigated innocent, him being a godfather is just about the only thing that makes sense here.
- Bringer had spent the entire game lynch hopping and using extremely flimsy logic to push wagons.
- Bringer continually retracted statements as behavioral tests or jokes
- His revealing of Supa as innocent seems to be an attempt to win "town confirmation," and he uses the result to narrow down his scum reads to me and Speed (I know I'm town, and while Speed could be scum I'm thinking he's town too). Scum only need a few mislynches to win this now, so this adds up.
- Bringer spent the entire time when I was scum with him bussing me. Pie has spent entire games bussing his scum partner too. This seems like the obvious strategy they would come up with.
- Warren seemed desperate to replace Bringer, and I suspect, had the DP's length gone up before he was replaced, TOWN would have automatically won.
- All Bullish had to do to claim vanilla just now was scroll back through Bringer's post history and see what Bringer claimed. I don't buy that as evidence of TOWNhood.
VTL Bullish/Bringer.
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@n8nrgmi
Everything is debateable, as in, you could try to debate it.
But no amount of philosophical skepticism and logical syllogisms will break the objective reality of my fist colliding with your nose.
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I'm too tired to think rn. I'll post thoughts on what Supa's putting down tomorrow after I sleep.
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I'll participate, just don't expect me to understand some of this lingo LMAO
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I'm publicly retracting my previous position of supporting Wylted's permanent ban.
I thank Lunatic for posting this thread and sharing the link to Wylted's posts. I had no idea that the thread that yielded the accusation of catfishing in the first place was available to the public eye, as this kind of stuff almost always happen in PMs.
All I was going off of before now was David's summarization, which made the situation appear a lot more malicious than it was... I literally thought Wylted was going full pedo. Instead, while he lied about his age, it wasn't a means to any malicious end.
Lunatic is right that the mods can twist contexts to suit their agendas when it comes to this kind of thing, and I've been aware of this issue for a while... Before this all went down, Pie and I had even been discussing a MEEP to solve the problem (nearly all of which is his ideas, just some refinement on my part). My belief that this is a problem is enhanced by the recent events... I'd normally give the benefit of the doubt to David if he admitted that this was an exaggeration on his part and corrected himself, but instead he deleted the thread altogether to prevent the criticism from happening. This was blatant censorship to prevent scrutiny.
Thankfully, he's admitted that that was a wrong move and has provided screenshots... still, David's handling of the situation really disappoints me.
Anyway, having now read Wylted's thread myself, my personal view is that he hasn't warranted himself a permanent ban.
Don't get me wrong, with his multitude of deplorable posts, he had a ban coming... But I don't think that ban should be a permanent one. At least not at this point. Wylted's behavior was bad, but at least he had positive qualities to weigh against the bad behavior *cough* unlike mgtowdemon *cough*
Wylted has also convincingly expressed to me that he wants to clean up his act and that he will stay well-behaved should he be let back onto the site, and I made it clear to him that further violations would probably result in another permanent ban should he be allowed to return.
Worse case scenario, it’s a bust, we all admit David was right, and Wylted goes back to being a troll under the bridge. Best case scenario, he actually reforms his act. If he can continue to behave as he has under his Bringer account, then as far as I'm concerned he can stay indefinitely. Either way, no harm done.
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@whiteflame
@Speedrace
@Bugsy460
I'm interested. Just need the rundown on Parli.
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@Bugsy460
ah thanks for posting on this thread. I frankly forgot about this lol.
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OK I have thoughts on this whole situation that I've expressed to the mods privately and I'll express them publicly tomorrow. I need a break from the site drama for lil bit tho lmao. Gonna turn in for the night
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@Lunatic
Please link this thread, I'd like to read it myself
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@ILikePie5
Only if you’re a liberal w/o a sense of humor. Wylted is a troll.
Highly disagree. Looking at his history I think it was the right move.
All the same, MEEP away
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@ILikePie5
waiiiit a second, you're dead! Get outta here
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@ILikePie5
We had a positive IP match. Had to be done as what he did before was inexcusable, and circumventing the ban with another account simply adds to the list.
He must have been using a VPN before, as I predicted.
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Alright I got to think through this a bit. Gonna work out I'll be back in an hour or so
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@Bringerofrain
Okay. I am vanilla also. I have an innocent result on supa if that means anything
Ah I've just seen this.
I think this indicates a godfather, or maybe Speed is pulling a fast one over all of us behaviorally, outing innocents to get town cred...
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As for me and my role, I've been soft claimed as this through my pfp since literally the beginning of DP1:
I'm vanilla and I am Derek Chisora. My justification is that although I've built a respectable record of 32-10 and I've held many regional titles, I ultimately falter on a higher level, being unable to unseat champion Vitali Klitschko in 2012 and losing to Oleksandr Usyk last year (as depicted in my profile picture).
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Weird that affiliation wasn't present in Pie's flip...
Role cop is traditionally mafia though, and he lied about his role so it's pretty obvious he's mafia.
Speed is town confirmed from this (he shared the COP results and said he was COP, inviting scum to NK him and protect the real COP) as is Grey for obvious reasons.
I know I'm town, so this leaves Supa and Bringer. Bringer has the innocent result working for him, but I'm more and more convinced for balance's sake scum must have a godfather. I'm harkening back to my original theory of a Pie-Bringer scum team...
All the same, let's pressure Supa first.
VTL SupaDudz.
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@warren42
OK fine.
VTL Oromagi.
I'm voting for the following reasons:
- Oromagi has seemingly become defeatist. This plays to his scum meta, and if he isn't scum this lynch is his own fault for refusing to challenge the wagon.
- Oromagi only tries to attract the NK when he has a role like VEST or BOMB. Oromagi instead claimed vanilla, which reeks of a fake claim.
- Oromagi "tried to attract the NK" by soft claiming COP, which could have been a scum soft claim for him to use should no one else claim COP.
- We can afford a mislynch because of what I said in POST #102:
One more thing before I disappear for a while (got a scholarship meeting to attend), I agree with Bringer that we should lynch and use GP's vig role.If Pie is lying and is scum, we avoid MYLO even if we mislynch because scum team would lose a member... If Pie is telling the truth, (and if Grey's role functions like I believe it does... that it works as a NK) we avoid MYLO even if we mislynch because we skip the NP.
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@Bringerofrain
He has gave his defense. You and supa will need to justify why you didn't hammer next DP. This is how defeated scum acts.
Oro has been inactive for the past 7 hrs.
But if you want me to hammer that badly I can.
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@Speedrace
Oh, and VEST/BP role or BOMB role is not valuable to the point we shouldn't pursue a claim from people who may have it.
This is all moot now though. He's claimed vanilla and it reeks of a fake claim.
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@Speedrace
The same logic still applies lol
Not really.
I wanted Oro to claim because if he didn't dare claim a defensive role for fear of a CC, that indicated him as scum. I want to hear Oro's defense though, hence me not hammering yet.
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@coal
6. James Bond Movies
Ah, I could try this...
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@Speedrace
"I think Oro is the doc, let's make him claim!"
no I was thinking more along the lines of BOMB.
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Well Oro put a lot of effort into his soft claim as always... IDK if this puts him in the clear automatically though.
Is Warren giving fake claims, or is he not disclosing that info?
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@oromagi
@Bringerofrain
ignore above. I got to the part where Oro claimed. Lol
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@Bringerofrain
Because otherwise, you're right that it's fishy...
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@oromagi
@Bringerofrain
If he is scum it likely means the scum team has no godfather. He claimed it was to draw a lynch. I think we may need to treat this like a CC though. Speed CCing oro
Seems more likely to me that Oro is some sort of protective/defensive role if he's trying to attract the NK....
I want him to full claim.
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One more thing before I disappear for a while (got a scholarship meeting to attend), I agree with Bringer that we should lynch and use GP's vig role.
If Pie is lying and is scum, we avoid MYLO even if we mislynch because scum team would lose a member... If Pie is telling the truth, (and if Grey's role functions like I believe it does... that it works as a NK) we avoid MYLO even if we mislynch because we skip the NP.
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Right now....
Speed is pretty town confirmed in my book. Cop claim with no counter claim, and no other investigative role coming forward to say it looks fishy.
Bringer is less town confirmed but still town in my book. I find it interesting he hinted at there being a redirector, could Speed have been redirected? Regardless, he's in my town pile unless someone confirms my idea.
Pie is mostly null. All the focus on him has been largely without logical basis, although I do believe that, if GP's vig is treated like a mafia NK, vigging Pie is a no-brainer for town. It should be a high priority for us to find out how Grey's role works in that regard.
Whiteflame is null, as is Supa.
Oromagi being in the shadows is part of his scum meta, but I've seen him do this as town too so I'm not really sure how much weight to give it.
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@Bringerofrain
You notice how instead of scum hunting chris just argued with me about what makes a boxer famous and speculated on theme and then disappeared for almost 48 hours. None of that makes your ears perk up?
sorry, Grimgar, Ashes and Illusions called me.
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ANYWAY, if Pie is telling the truth about his role and is the beloved princess, and the kill is treated like a mafia NK... Then vigging Pie is a no brainer: we can freely skip the next NP.
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@warren42
Oh shit sorry pressed the edit button. I just wanted to add the bold
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@Bringerofrain
Pie also said laugh out loud on seven different occasions after being accused of being scum
See and this is why people scumread you dude. Your reads are based on numbers of "lols" and whatever your crack demons tell you.
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@Bringerofrain
I'm certain he feels like he could have led a lynch on me. I'm town though. I'm not going to let myself get lynched. I have absolute confidence that no matter how many games you see me play, I will never be mislynched. I don't care how crazy that sounds. It doesn't happen to me.
lol... dude, I don't blame Speed for investigating you. Believe it or not, it isn't self-evident you are town, and even if you are you don't have some special superpower to make us all believe it. Your play has been scummy, and while Speed's result helps you could still be a godfather, or even the redirector that you insinuated is in the game.
I'm believing Speed for now but you've got no self-awareness man.
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@Bringerofrain
but if he is redirected or blocked,
Interesting. Do you have reason to believe a redirector is in the game?
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Sup guys. I'll give thoughts during lunch break. Got some tests today though so I'll be fairly inactive for a while
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@Undefeatable
Oh idk about that. There's a lot of conservatives on the site that stick to the forums exclusively... I wonder if there are some secret prodigies residing here.
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@Undefeatable
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@Vader
He's literally been lynch hopping the entire game lol.
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