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We're doing a practice debate for fun.
Me + Whiteflame vs. David + Speed
Anyone who wants to spectate can through this link
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@n8nrgmi
*laughs in Zimbabwe*
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@seldiora
I don't know a whole lot about her. All I know is she plays violin
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@whiteflame
Yeah, though that also makes it more difficult to see anything that isn't concrete. Give me a philosophical topic and I'll play around on the shallow end of the pool, trying to link things to greater impacts. I've learned how to pick out flaws, but it's usually about pattern recognition - take me out of that pattern and I start to lose my grip real fast.
Now I know what to challenge you on xD
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@whiteflame
100% true. It's part of why I tend to focus in so hard on impacts. I think the more intuitive tend to tell better stories with their arguments and notice more faults automatically. I had to really train hard to get to that point, but it's not at all natural for me.
I see... Clearly you've done a good job learning how to pick out flaws in arguments. And by focusing on the concrete, you've got an advantage when it comes to policy topics I think. You can more easily see how things may actually play out in the "real world."
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@blamonkey
Yupppp, I figured most of our debaters would be INTP/ENTP types. Whiteflame is an outlier
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@whiteflame
Interesting, I would expect most debaters to have the NT (intuitive, thinking) traits. Sounds like you like the concrete a lot more than the abstract
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@Theweakeredge
Hmmm,
for me:
High openness
Lower conscientiousness
High extraversion
low agreeability
low neuroticism
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@Sum1hugme
I expected a lot of people to get that here. Although sounds like the test is baloney unfortunately
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@seldiora
My sound is quite unique & a lot of it just comes from me messing around and seeing what works, but some of my influence comes from other underground artists...
Bonjr, Felimos, Clams Casino, trap artists like ikran, heck even Zeiji who i know personally and am working on a collab with.
My music is pretty far off from the more mainstream bunch, but I do enjoy Illenium and Gareth respectively
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@Theweakeredge
Fascinating. I wonder where you could take a credible exam using that model... Seems that the model is in the public domain, so I'd be surprised if there weren't many tests available.
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@Theweakeredge
Yeah, I'm sure it's not anything to be taken seriously... Still fun to do though.
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@oromagi
Yeah, I saw that it wasn't so scientifically validated after taking it... It's kinda fun to see your results though. Just curious to see what other people get, as there's enough there that's correct about me to convince me it's at least somewhere in the ballpark.
Out of curiosity, what would be a more scientifically validated assessment?
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Looks like I'm an ENTP.
What do you guys get for this? I'm curious.
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@seldiora
Oh cool! Red is extremely versatile.. they've even got string/piano ballads.
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@janesix
ah I'm way off then. You should check them out though, you may like them.
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@Theweakeredge
enough time for reminiscing on the good times of 2020.
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@seldiora
Well, if compositional uniqueness is your sole desire, here's these from them:
Fairly a-typical from their genre.
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@seldiora
Red - Let It Burn.
Red is a fantastic rock band... this song's lyrics are a person crying out to God about the problem of evil... deep shit.
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@seldiora
Thx for the positive review on my track!
Also, Boards of Canada are iconic... they make downtempo/ambient music... not quite vaporwave, but in the same lane. Their music is so very simplistic, yet pensive and full of depth... it's addictive.
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@seldiora
Also, you should review Boards of Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jTg-q6Drt0
their sound is... different.
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@seldiora
I dropped a track with vocals recently. Lyrics are pretty cheesy but I didn't write them. Anyway, a review would be cool
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@Vader
Damnnn fr? Since you've left such a shining review I'll have to watch it now...
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@janesix
Well, I know only a few things about you.
1. You mostly reside in the religious forums, & seem to love the "abstract"
2. You are teaching yourself piano
I can't be sure who your favorite band is, but you seem like the kind of person to be into Boards of Canada.
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@3RU7AL
That could be fun, I've also considered setting up a team debate template (that actually works)
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@Undefeatable
what's your personal thoughts on slaying my username? I'll admit, it's a bit arrogant, but again, most people on this site aren't too difficult to defeat with a ton of research and analysis. I'm pretty impressed that Oromagi managed to defeat you, even if that topic wasn't exactly in your favor.
I don't think it's particularly important that I ended your win streak because it doesn't seem to be super important to you (other than a reminder to try your hardest and push yourself). Like Whiteflame said, if your only goal was maintaining that win streak you wouldn't be challenging me directly, nor would you be challenging Theweakeredge. That's not to say you aren't very capable (you could've beaten me had you played your cards right), just to say that you would be unnecessarily risking your goal.
It seemed to me like you wanted a challenge, and so I gave it to the best of my ability, and we had a very good debate. That about sums up my opinion on it.
Also, regarding the Oromagi debate, I definitely want to rematch with him at some point on a more even topic. I was choosing topics that were the most fun (in fact, I was doing devil's advocate), not the most even. The flood topic is very skewed towards CON. Plus, it hurts that I wasn't nearly as good of a debater then as I am now, 38 debates later.
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This would escalate the severity of the crime to blatant murder.
I would like to correct myself, I meant that the severity of the crime would escalate to at least manslaughter.
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@whiteflame
LOL love that they threw lone wolf at ya when you were so new
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@drafterman
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Oh well. Congrats scum team, well played!
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@Lunatic
Fair enough. I can't rebut that I could be a SCOUT. Circumstantial evidence, I think, would indicate otherwise however
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@Lunatic
If WP flips town WATCHER, that indicates WP's negligence... not my affiliation. I would've been telling the truth in that scenario
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@LikeMagic
I was quoting Oro. I think he misspoke and meant to say "Speed visiting Supa was already established"
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@drafterman
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or it means you tracked PieSpeed visiting Pie was already established before your claim.
This.
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Combine the odds of a Mafia Scout deciding to CCing what he believes is the Town tracker for arcane reasons, but ACTUALLY BEING RIGHT that the person that claimed Town Tracker isn't the Town Tracker?
This.
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@LikeMagic
no one has explained why Water would risk the fake claim as scum in a game where we know they had the option of fake character + role claims. No one has explained why the person who claims second THE NEXT DP is immediately not the target, when last DP it was conceded tracker is a common scum role. water has results, I want to hear from Pie whom I currently have a townread on.
Water is not exactly known for the best spur-of-the-moment decisions... that said you make a valid point. My best guess is that he chose one of the fake character claims and came up with a role to go with it and took the gamble. Either that or he really is a watcher, and in that case he's plain negligent. I want to hear from Pie, but it would take a lot to sway my vote off of WP when he is a confirmed liar.
BTW, I acknowledge only coming out with the info the next DP reflects poorly on me. Feel free to lynch me, although realize it will be a mislynch. I knew from the beginning I'd probably be mislynched for this, but I thought coming out and being a mislynch would still yield enough useful info to where it would be worth it for town... As I said here:
I promise if we lynch WP he will flip as being anything but a tracker. If he doesn’t, you can lynch me. Similarly, you can lynch me for counter-claiming so late. When I flip town, you’ll know to lynch WP.
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@LikeMagic
misterchris had a long time to cc the claim and we all acknowledge that tracker can be a scum role. I CANNOT BELIEVE that I am pretty much confirmed town, got a result FROM YOU that confirms my analysis and read on White and am still being ignored by town. Will have to discuss in postmortam wtf I should do differently to convince town in the future.
Don't worry, WF is next on my scum list because of your results.
But WP is the most confirmed scum we have. And you're totally right I had a while to CC, but as I said before I was catching up. This can be proven by simply looking at the timeline of me reading and giving my thoughts in the last few pages of the DP... I was steadily working my way up to about page 10 before the DP ended.
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@LikeMagic
It is common for tracker/watchers to fake claim the alternative to throw off scum.
You honestly think WP was this big brained?
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