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@Discipulus_Didicit
@SirAnonymous
My favorite quote from the vid is:
"It is so emotionally satisfying to believe your one enemy (hopefully with one or two syllables) is to blame for all the world's ills... the Jews, the Right, the Left, Islam, China... When in reality, these are all players struggling in a harsh world outside their control."
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hahaha funny lol let's mock the people that risk their lives to maintain national security so I can sit comfortably on the internet and make fun of them lololol
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@oromagi
Malaysian Islamic Liberation FrontMister has a thing for girls in burqas
shhh don't expose me
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@Lemming
So far, it's going well, thanks for asking :)
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Well, I can now legally boink with a MILF, but I don't feel any different.
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Or, could just be a new debater who happens to have some experience. I mean, I came in out of the blue, for example.
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@seldiora
RM is right... To avoid an endless game, why not just end the game after we run out of challengers who signup during the length of the tournament with Ayyantu?
We only have one challenger. If we got more challengers before Ayyantu is finished, we could potentially do another round. But no one else so far has expressed interest in doing so
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@Intelligence_06
I will debate you on this topic gladly.
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@oromagi
I guess you just put "tie" then.
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@oromagi
Yea I'm ok with that...but it's up to Seldiora. Let's see what he says
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@oromagi
@seldiora
Good question. Seldiora had us both in the same debate as well. Seldiora, do you want one of us to just waive our vote, or do you want to treat ties as an automatic win/loss for the challenger?
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@Theweakeredge
this reply seems pretty thought-through, I'll respond within the day. In class atm, though
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@seldiora
uh, i don't think we should use that as R1. I know I at least put more effort into tournament debates, so we should start from the ground up again.
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The differentiation between sex & gender is arbitrary and recently fabricated/pushed by feminists. They have been synonymous terms for the vast majority of history, and changing the definitions now is stupid. There is no sociological, biological, historical, or philosophical justification whatsoever.
Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] However, Money's meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. Today, the distinction is followed in some contexts, especially the social sciences[5][6] and documents written by the World Health Organization (WHO).[3]In other contexts, including some areas of the social sciences, gender includes sex or replaces it.[1][2] For instance, in non-human animal research, gender is commonly used to refer to the biological sex of the animals.[2] This change in the meaning of gender can be traced to the 1980s. In 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) started to use gender instead of sex.[7] Later, in 2011, the FDA reversed its position and began using sex as the biological classification and gender as "a person's self representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions based on the individual's gender presentation."[8]
There is no basis for there being a "742nd gender" or any number other than 2. Tell me, how many genders are there? How do we differentiate between which genders are real and which are fake? Do animals have multiple genders? It doesn't look like it. What about early humans in the caves, do you think they were "Transvestylvite attack helicopters?" If there is truly a distinction, it should be clear & evident throughout history (by the way, before you even mention ancient societies with "3rd/4th genders," they are massive outliers. And even within those societies, there was no basis for those 3rd/4th genders... It was all akin to religious belief.)
As RationalWiki states:
“some assertions demand that the universe be screaming with supporting evidence, so when that evidence is not actually observed, it counts against it. The idea is often, but fallaciously, summarized as "absence of evidence is evidence of absence."
We have two genders that we can define by objective terms. Let's stick with those, thank you. So under reason, even if there are differentiations between sex and gender, they are practically synonymous when it comes to utility.
The real question is: why ignore all principles of honest intellectualism and abandon it for pure feminist hogwash? Where is the social utility? It seems to me that it just serves as an outlet for people who otherwise feel "overlooked" or "insecure" to try to feel different, special. Deep down, I don't think they legitimately believe they are a "transvestylvite attack helicopter." But it was never really about their gender in the first place.
Maybe we should address a clear and evident root problem (mental health) instead of endorsing the fruits of said problem.
As for transgenderism, if your gender is rooted in your chromosomes (as has been commonly maintained for millenia, but only recently arbitrarily convinced otherwise by feminists), then you can chop off your penis all you want but you will never become a female. Once again, the root cause (gender dysphoria) is being ignored in favor of endorsing the fruits of the problem (gender changes). I suppose you could call it "therapy," but it is obviously a bad one. One that requires everyone to play pretend and be intellectually dishonest while suicide rates of transgenders skyrocket, especially after they've had their change surgery. Maybe we'd be better off providing therapy for the condition that does not worsen it. A good therapist does not take someone who is delusional and convince them that their delusions are real.
This isn't rocket science, and it should be non-controversial. I have no idea why stating the obvious thing that everyone is thinking is "Extremist and fascist," but I will probably be called so in the comments.
NOTE: if I don't respond to your reply, I probably didn't see it as anything consequential
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@Danielle
@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
I'm looking forward to debating this with SupaDudz, and I know all of you will be phenomenal judges. This will be a really good finale, I feel
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food stamps are a waste of paper! save the trees! who wants to eat stamps anyways?
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@Danielle
One can provoke people into trying desperately to prove their point by getting them all riled up, and when they try hard and fail to prove said point, that may be enough for them to change their own mind. That's all we can hope for.
We have a pretty different outlook then. Because the way I see it, if someone seems to be genuinely inquiring as to my position on something I am willing to give them an honest opinion. If someone insults me and it's clear they have no intention on keeping the discussion civil, I'll ignore.
Maybe that psychology doesn't work with all people, but do you really think starting flame wars really changes people's opinions? Maybe you should aim for quality over quantity, as I have never witnessed a flame war end positively for anyone involved.
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@Danielle
I dunno if any of them can read or think very well but who knows
Just gonna put this out there, I don't think you'll be changing many minds this way. If you dislike the current state of political affairs, look in the mirror, because saying stuff like this definitely doesn't help.
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@Vader
True, I just think it's weird they went the "he's my best friend route." It's pretty clear in the series him and Sasuke aren't friends
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Very solid video. The world isn't going crazy by historical standards... this is just a return to normalcy in a way.
You could've seen most of what's happened over the last 4 years coming if you knew where to look... and no, we can't just blame it all on the Right or the Left.
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@Danielle
I mean, I dislike his policies, but the guy seems genuine to me.
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@skittlez09
I mean fair, but every other character is so detailed and has clear motivations... I just wish they gave him the same treatment
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@Vader
This parody is a good representation of my main/only problem with Naruto. His obsession with Sasuke is senseless.
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@Vader
Naruto def has flaws, but plotwise I love it to bits
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@Vader
yeah, Ozai just came off as "generic evil villain #89575794"
I really wanted to know what exactly the motivations were for fire nation expansion... war is expensive, you don't just do war for the sake of it. Hitler even had a goal.
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My biggest concerns came from Chris and Crocodile. You both had roles that town confirmed you, however, you did not claim it until DP3 where more suspicion was drawn. This is more for Chris because he didn't even use his role in DP2, which could've town confirmed him in general. I think this was a big reason why scum had a chance in the end.
Yeah I'll be honest, my head wasn't in it this game. I was just too occupied with other things irl
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@seldiora
I'll read it, thanks for the link
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@Lunatic
If we just hit scum, then that's 4:2
We would need 4 votes to lynch next DP.
I am willing to be last vote on any lynch next DP.
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I guess if we've decided against a Lunatic lynch Skittlez is just as viable. UNVOTE, VTL Skittlez.
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For all sussing me for pushing a Croc lynch, did you not read me saying I was perfectly willing to do Speed too if Croc were confirmed? And yknow, talking about how he was advocating for his own confirmation? Since he has essentially come out in support of testing his role, despite that falling through, I've pretty much shifted him to my town pile.
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@BearMan
MisterChris' POE falls flat. There are three mafia out of the 8 of us, meaning 4-3. MisterChris and I are the ONLY ones confirmed by a suspicious player. Leaving:
My POE does not "fall flat."
I had it boiled down to Lunatic, Skittlez, Croc, Grey.
Further discussion rules out Lunatic for me. Croc is ruled out because Speed seems more sus, which simply means my PoE was off by a little bit.
2/3 ain't bad, if we are assuming a Speed, Skittlez, & Grey team.
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in that case VTL Lunatic.
OK. I buy Lunatic's claim for now. I think with my suspicion mostly quelled I'm ok with lynching him for an essential VTNL with some extra POE.Before we do so, though, Croc has said he is ok with testing his role. Let's do that.
Croc test lynch falls through because, as Whiteflame points out, scum could vote bomb.
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@whiteflame
Oh true. The scum vote bomb is waiting to happen.
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
Croc has literally told us to confirm him! Let's do it. If Croc is confirmed as popular, then I am willing to switch to Speed lynch because of PoE.
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@Greyparrot
Not dismissing. I understand & agree that it's weird for scum to have preserved COP for 2 DPs.
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I don't know where the Speed scum read is coming from. He has COP confirmed 2 innocents so far that we've been able to confirm through other means as well. His results are accurate and he hasn't thrown us off with them.
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OK. I buy Lunatic's claim for now. I think with my suspicion mostly quelled I'm ok with lynching him for an essential VTNL with some extra POE.
Before we do so, though, Croc has said he is ok with testing his role. Let's do that.
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@Lunatic
That's basically what croc did when he was about to be ynched in naruto before we switched to pie, remember? Also what is your thoughts on skittlez not claiming day phase 1, when in literally every game he's been town, he's claimed dp1. The only games he hasn't claimed dp1 has been the two games he was scum, bastard states and stormlight.
True. But I still think Croc is scum just because of how town Speed looks rn.
And I tried to read Skittlez based on that a few games ago... That got shut down, because he had said he was going to switch to not claiming immediately. And he was not scum, btw. That was in your game, in fact... UwU mafia.
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@Lunatic
why shouldn't we VTNL instead just in case you are jester? If you have been so consistent on wanting to be lynched, then that could implicate a jester role.
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@Lunatic
Pure probability.
3 total, 2/3 are very likely town. I can say with about 60% certainty Croc is scum from that alone.
Croc makes no effort to defend himself, and instead does a "lol" esque response.
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@Lunatic
It is weird though that Luna initially refused to full claim last day phase in post #83, but then later said he would. It's possible Luna isn't being entirely truthful about his role, but I don't wanna focus on it too much tbh.I wanted to be the target of a night kill or roleblock, I am hoping I at least baited a role block.
Your change in tune is interesting. Why did you go as far as you did to prevent a mafia kill of you? Is that not anti-town? Shouldn't you open yourself up to be lynched to preserve the power roles?
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