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Not sure I buy Speed being scum or warranting a policy lynch. I need more convincing
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Not enough, you need a 4 year old black native american latino transgender lesbian asexual pansexual attack helicopter crippled stuttering paraplegic schizophrenic insomniac.
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@Pattern
Alright that just about seals the deal for me.
You were our best lead, but with post #480, and now your self-voting, (which, if mafia, would only result in self-embarrassment with those parting words) I'm willing to UNVOTE you again.
I know I've been pretty back-and-forth on it, but this time I'm staying unvoted until we have more facts. The main reason I voted again earlier was because things started getting into personal attack territory... And I thought it best to reduce conflict.
That being the case, if you are not mafia then we are better off to focus on finding who is. Whoever has an investigative role can investigate you to see if that decision was a mistake, anyway.
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I am literally losing all motivation to keep playing... I think I'm taking a break for today.
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@That1User
I would have no problem pausing the game to deal with some issues. The game is spiraling downwards quickly anyway.
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@Vader
@Speedrace
@Pattern
Alright, I reverse my previous decision to unvote Pattern.
Because things are starting to get personal and this game is starting to spiral downward in terms of enjoyment I think it's just best.
Nothing personal to anyone, but this is the best option for the town to stay strong.
VTL Pattern
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@Crocodile
Nope, he is Lunatic. Credentials verify this also.
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@Pattern
Dude, we've highlighted this repeatedly:
you too often use debatable logic to come to grand conclusions. That is a common scum behavior.
By aggressive we don't mean personal attacks... Like what that last comment was. We just mean that you often REALLY push a narrative on little evidence.
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@Speedrace
I think you're scum which is why I'm voting you. You're one of the best candidates to be lynched in my opinion. It's not out of spite and it's not personal
As it stands I'm probably going to lynch Pattern too... but we still have a while before the day ends. So I'm giving him until then to demonstrate that he is not scum.
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@BearMan
@Pattern
Dude you jave to cheat at mafia to play and still can't win a fvcking game. Thats kind of hilarious dont you think?
Careful, let's not make this personal guys
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@Pattern
Wanted to try to play the game from a new account to try and see if people would put more effort into lynching; My theory was wrong. I am still being lynched as the most vocal town member. I think I've concluded that people are intimidated by logical back and forths and it's much easier to just lynch without talking or explaining their reasons.
I think with some self-reflection it becomes fairly evident that there is more to the suspicion than being "scared of logic." Your logic is often flawed and assumption based, and you too often use it to come to grand conclusions. That is a common scum behavior.
As I said before, you may not be mafia, but if so you have been a highly aggressive and arguably problematic town member...
Anyway, after some more consideration today, I think I'll unvote you for now because of the fact that we truly have so little info. By putting pressure on you, you've admitted to being Hinata which is enough of a potential power role that I am going to wait and gather more information before I continue with any lynching bandwagon.
You're high on my suspicion list, (the highest scumread, imo) but I need to be careful about confusing temperamental differences with proof.
So, UNVOTE. (Also, anyone with investigative powers, please investigate Pattern.)
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@Pattern
I disagree with BearMan about you being "useless," if that helps. You're either playing mafia or cracking down wayyy too hard on questionable reads.
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@simplybeourselves
It's cheap so I may look into it
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@simplybeourselves
Classic! I've never had the pleasure of playing, but I've seen it everywhere
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@Barney
My observations may get more and more vague as time goes on, just because this is getting very convoluted and it is hard to keep up. Anyway, look above for my observations @Ragnar, forgot to tag you
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Day 1 pt. 2 - 8/24/2020 - 1:45PM
- Pie keeps on That1User shortly after I posted Part 1 of the Daily Observations. Pie spends a while trying to convince everyone that despite him being an antagonist he is pro-town. That1User wanted to out him to test our theory. Pie eventually breaks down, saying he is Kaguya Otsutsuki.
Verdict: Either Pie is scum, or our original theory about the hero v. villain rift is false. I am willing to believe him.
- Pattern continues to jump on Pie for sharing his theory: “a town mafia split between friends of Naruto and enemies is wayyyy too easy lol”
- BearMan makes what many considered a mistake, and said Sakura was likely the doctor. However, it did not smell of mafia. Mafia would have wanted the town to not pick up on the importance of her role. Plus, BearMan explicitly calls for her protection.
- Pattern zeroes in on BearMan, pretty much forgetting about Pie and Grey for the time being, trying to convince people that BearMan is actually the mafia. He is instigating a voting bandwagon. I, among others, confront him. Eventually, Pattern claims Hinata. This claim may or may not be truthful. Speed , Bear, Water, and others later back me in suspicion against Pattern.
Verdict: Either Pattern is mafia or is a very overly-aggressive town member. He is worth investigating further, and I scumread him for now.
- Grey under threat of lynch. He gives full rundown of abilities. “The name supa gave me is Sasuke Uchiha. I am a prodigy...blah blah blah.. something about revenge, Itachi, blah blah blah.... Each night I may choose to track someone. I am town.” Grey later tells me that he has chosen someone to use his abilities on. Verdict: I believe him.
- Oro makes a good point, there may be no theme at all. With Pie and Oro both being demonstrably pro-town, and yet they both play roughly antagonistic characters, this may very well be true. However, I still believe characters in close proximity to Naruto are likely pro-town.
- Croc either Kakashi or Jiraiya. “I am a teacher of naruto but that's all im saying tryna play it smoove this time” Speed scumreads Croc over the latter part.
- Pie and Oro decide that Speedrace is fishy. His claim to PGO is a common scum claim, so we should lynch him just to be safe. Plus, he isn’t contributing to the prosecution much. Speed counters that he was only gone for a few hours, plus he normally does not support day 1 lynching. Verdict: No opinion yet
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@Barney
@vector
Vector and I had one that was very well debated on both sides. https://www.debateart.com/debates/2211-legalized-abortion
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@DebateArt.com
I have had no issue. Might be his internet connection
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@Barney
That subject is one I will no longer be debating... It was fun at the time, but in retrospect I feel like I took part in a Flat Earth Conspiracy theory by even touching it. In truth, I'm pretty unopinionated on the matter. A solid "I don't know" suffices for my position.
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@ILikePie5
I would be more than happy to be investigated
Posting this again so there is a higher chance whoever has an investigative ability can see it. Your transparency may remove the need entirely, and I would rather we not waste powers during the first night phase
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@Vader
Please UNVOTE me from Skittlez and keep me on Pattern, thanks.
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@skittlez09
VTL skittlez09
Give us information on your character. Is it an antagonist or protagonist? Is it a main character? Does it have an ability we need to know about?
Basically,
What does TOWN need to know about you?
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@Greyparrot
Well, try to at least follow the thread. If you do have a tracking ability, you need to be able to use it wisely
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@Pattern
So you say you want to get "back on track for lynching bear."
But Bear has consistently contributed to the conversation with strategy ideas that at least seem constructive... You, on the other hand, have given a litany of claims and suggestions that steer us in a direction of confusion, not clarity.
Let’s start with BearMan exposing That1User as the doctor.
It was a clear mistake, no doubt, but it did not smell of mafia. Mafia would have wanted the town to not pick up on the importance of her role. Yet, you seem threatened by the mere idea that BearMan would mention her importance, much less suggest someone protect her.
Most people have shrugged BearMan's actions off as a mistake... But not you. You zeroed in on him, and have kept consistent pressure with no rational motive, even going as far as to attempt to instigate a vote wagon.
You supported Grey’s ban… which was really only due to him being busy.
Recall when you accused Pie of being mafia because he gave the opinion (that seems to be holding true) that “a town mafia split between friends of Naruto and enemies is wayyyy too easy lol” Your aggressive attack on Pie for sharing a mild prediction made the forum devolve into convoluted chaos.
There is a pattern there (No pun intended). If you're not a liability for being a mafia member, you're at least being one for being an overly accusatory town member.
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@Dr.Franklin
Admittedly, I look back on that one and shudder at my old debate style. It was bad.
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@Greyparrot
Can you give a more clear description of the PM?
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@oromagi
@WaterPhoenix
@BearMan
No, it just seems suspicious. Sasuke would likely not be a tracker, since none of his traits correlate with one.
Although in the anime, he was quite the tracker. Being able to track Itachi down. But assuming that's not something Supa mentioned in Grey's message... I agree it's suspicious. I haven't been in many mafia games. Is Supa the sort of moderator that would assign powers that aren't necessarily correlated with the character's traits?
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@WaterPhoenix
haha get it pattern has shown a pattern? ack ack ack you can stop your applause now, i'm just too funny.
Very nice
correct me if i'm wrong but he's only been against grey parrot, no? i don't think we should blindly lynch gp if pattern flips town as the only reason pattern was against him was due to hiss lack of activity.
I'm not supporting lynching GP either. I am just saying I am willing to believe Pie that he is not mafia. Pattern is the biggest scumread for me rn.
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@BearMan
I'd rather go with the good v evil theory being wrong (as it is just a guess) than possible false-lynch.
I agree with this, sorry
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@oromagi
Maybe not. As you said, Supa never claimed there would be a clear theme split. That said, Pie's character is at least ARGUABLY good
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@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@That1User
@BearMan
My scumread for now is Pattern. He has shown a pattern that is worrying, and sows discord and confusion when there shouldn't be any. I'm willing to believe Pie for the time being, and an affirmative or negative result on voting Pattern would certainly reflect whether we were right to believe him. Plus, if anyone has an investigative role, surely they could investigate Pie?
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@BearMan
That isn't the case from what I remember... Might be wrong though
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@oromagi
Kaguya was a very good figure turned vile after she got drunk on power... So either Pie is scum or our theory is false.
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@oromagi
You are correct I have little experience, and I understand your beginning strategy a bit better now. My gut could easily be wrong on the theme, and I openly acknowledge that.
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@Pattern
Not really. I don't think people are as calculated as you think they are. Can't be sure, but he may just be operating the best he can on little information.
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@Pattern
Well, we don't know for sure it is Danzo. And to be fair, Oromagi did say he didn't know much about his character or where they stood. All he said was it wasn't on the friends list Bear provided (which is far from thorough). Oromagi could very well be an antagonist and not know it.
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@That1User
Pattern and Pie are the top of my suspicion list too.
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@oromagi
I would auto-lynch someone in either of those roles
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@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@That1User
@Pattern
Greyparrot's confession to being Sasuke and being town pretty much confirms my suspicion that Supa assigned roles based on the series as a whole from the standpoint of a fan.
Sasuke started out protagonist, became an antagonist for a long while, but came back in the end. Naruto fans tend to think of Sasuke as a good guy because of that.
This shows to me that the theme is roughly Good v. Evil, but the people that have some slightly shady history need some extra consideration before a verdict is reached. For instance, Oro has been demonstrably pro-town but likely has a character like Danzō, who is an antagonist but loves the Village (or, town).
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@Barney
Yup, I knew about Sakura's ability in the anime but figured I should keep quiet. Oh well.
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@BearMan
My assumption was that Sakura was doctor too... But I didn't want to announce publicly for the reason Pattern mentions.
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@Pattern
Gaara is an antagonist for the first part of the first season. Barely a blip in the series. No Naruto fan thinks of him as evil. Someone like Pain or Madara is different.
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@WaterPhoenix
Well... there's a couple things with that.
Power roles would be pretty obvious I think. Big fat targets for Mafia. BUT, if the villain roles are really that obvious, mafia players will be very opposed. It may be worth it just to expose them...
I don't have a ton of mafia experience.
Sooooo, thoughts?
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