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Jeez, I didn’t realize we had so little time left. I have it down to Owen or Earth, and I’m fine with either I guess. Owen has been giving me some town vibes this DP though, so IDK what to do.
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@Owen_T
Also I think you meant to tag pie, but you got autocorrected to someone else.
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@Owen_T
Yeah, I have been getting town vibes too, so I’m not advocating for VTLing Casey, I just think we shouldn’t rule them out.
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I recently reread George Orwell’s animal farm for the first time in a while, and I found some interesting things that I don’t think I picked up on when I was being forced to read it.
One thing that struck me as being something that people on DART might find interesting, is the transformation of the Pigs from egalitarian to the oppressors. The Pigs were the major orchestrators of the revolution, but because they are far smarter than the other animals, they take control and become just the same as the humans before.
Being on DART has made me reflect on the role of smart people in society, and I noticed how Orwell also uses this book to convey a message to the smart people of the world. Obviously the Pigs were immoral in becoming the rulers seeing how they horribly oppressed the other animals, but I don’t think the message was that an Geniocracy is impossible. I think he was trying to tell us that if the smart people of the world inherently have a right to rule, then it must also come with a duty to rule fairly and equally.
I just thought that this was pretty interesting and I thought I would share it with you all.
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@Mall
Even I don’t support trans athletes conpetting in their genders sports. Stop creating caricatures if you opponents.
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@Greyparrot
I don’t normally like to say people are spreading misinformation on this site, mostly because it’s just become such a political buzzword, and most of the time it’s on accident, but you’re spreading misinformation. The IRS is a government agency and can’t
endorse anyone. The Union for IRS workers supports Harris, and for good reason seeing how republicans are defunding the IRS so they and their cronies can get away with tax fraud.
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@Owen_T
Casey is a confirmed kingmaker, and she crowned banana, which to be confirms her.
That’s where you and I disagree. I don’t think Kingmaker is inherently scummy for any reason, but I also wouldn’t call it a basically gaurunteed town role. If it’s nerfed so you can’t use it on your scum-buddy, I could see it working as mafia. Again, that doesn’t make me sus Casey, but it doesn’t make me rule them out either.
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@Casey_Risk
Okay, sorry that I didn’t see that before. In that case, yeah, Earth does seem like a more plausible scum role. I’ll put him back in my PoE pool, which brings it up to four, so if I had to pick two to be scum, maybe Owen and Earth? While I do still think Kingmaker could be a scum role, I don’t think it’s more likely than not, and I have no reason sus Banana.
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@Owen_T
I was actually a 1x so I couldn’t protect Whiteflame again. I townread earth because I though we had confirmed his motion detector with Luna, right? Lunatic is my top townread, and Earth said that lunatic visited him before Luna claimed messenger and that he visited Earth. That clears him for me anyways, but if I made a mistake, please tell me.
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@Owen_T
It’s not that I actually scum read her, I don’t really scumread anyone, she’s just still in my PoE pool.
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@Casey_Risk
I'm still between Banana, you and Owen. I explained it a few posts back.
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@Casey_Risk
I get that, and I’m basically at the same place with scum reads, but I still don’t think waiting another DP would actually change anything. IMO it’s just better to lynch today, seeing as we won’t gain much info by waiting.
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@Casey_Risk
@Owen_T
Yeesh, at this rate well still be playing by next Saturday. Anyways, I don’t think VTNL is a good idea. This late in the game we don’t really end up learning much more from the NK. I can’t really see what’s going to be accomplished by waiting, but if you make a good enough case you might be able to convince me.
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@Owen_T
Alright, here’s my case.
First things first I think I’ll go ahead and outline my PoE pool. I have it down to Banana, Casey and Owen. Luna and Earth confirm each other and mafia messenger/self watcher seems pretty far fetched. I don’t have any reason to actually sus Banana, but Popular can be used as a scum role, so even though she’s confirmable I’ll still put her in PoE. We still don’t know much about how Owen’s enchantress role works, for instance if the crystal ball even does anything. I think it could go either way. This is probably going to be my hottest take, but I think Kingmaker could actually be an interesting scum role if it’s needed so that you can’t use it on your scum-buddy. It is pretty unorthodox, but it also definitely seems like it could work to me, so I’ll keep Casey in the pool.
I’m still a little confused as to why a unCCed doctor is getting lynched, but I’ll put forward my case anyways. First, like I mentioned before, I’m the only protective role in the game, and I know Pie isn’t a bastard mod, so I feel like this should be all I need. I have seen people making behavioral claims as to why I seem scummy, but 1. I have been pretty active these last few DPs (and it’s really weird to lynch on activity dp3) and 2. The mistake I made about my character being in the Rayja Shaba/Lok Shaba is perfectly on-brand for me if you’ve played with me before. It’s not indicative of scum is what I’m saying, it’s just a mistake I made, (which happens a lot).
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@Owen_T
I think in most cases it should be legal. That is with be try strict regulations on the companies that do it, but if it’s done correctly it should be legal.
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@iamanabanana
Okay, I have some reads I’m gonna post, but first, can you check with Pie if your role turns off at MYLO?
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@iamanabanana
Yeah, I was actually a 1x. I don’t blame Luna for thinking that I may have lied about my role, but it was just actually a 1x.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Alright, well this is going nowhere. It's an interesting point that you make, but I find it extremely hard to believe that not a single person decided to assassinate a politician that they hated because of "cultural differences". I'd need more evidence. I'm not outright denying anything, I'm just saying that it's hard for me to believe with nothing supporting it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Your whole thing about people being assassinated by other methods is exactly my point. The founders didn’t see reason to regulate guns because guns weren’t used in assassinations often, and they were so much less deadly.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, but according to the literal interpretation of the 2nd they should still be able to own cannons. That's why we need to change it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
But my point still remains that political assassinations just didn't happen with the weapons used at the time.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Targeting officers during war time is nowhere near assassinating a president.
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@Double_R
You’re right that lots of the gun laws are e currently have are unconstitutional when you interpret it literally. However I am in favor of repealing the second amendment, seeing how weapons technology has advanced significantly since the time of its writing. Guns took full minutes to load and you could barely hit anything not at point blank range. In those days, you couldn’t assassinate someone with a musket, so if armed rebellion was happening then it must at least be a popular armed rebellion. I think if you gave any founding father an AR15 they would at least start to rethink the 2nd amendment.
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@whiteflame
You may be right that we should let him wait to confirm himself, but this still makes me scum read him a lot. He starts off by just claiming "enchantress" without even explaining the role, then when he explains the bare minimum of the role, it looks a lot like he scum slips, so he goes offline for a while and comes back saying that banana gets the item and the end of the day, which I have never seen before. Again, I know my opinions don't have much sway, so I'm just saying what I think.
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@Owen_T
Pie says that Banana will be notified tonight, unless there was any interference. That clears things up.
That seems like a weird and surprisingly convenient solution. I can’t think of any other role that doesn’t notify you immediately when you get an item.
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@Double_R
Trump is, according to the people (represented by two would-be assassins), a tyrant who must be kept at bay.
Two lone gunmen are not “the people”. The people will go to vote this November, and their choice will become president. As long as Trump is working within the bounds of the system to get power, then nobody has the right to try and speak for all Americans with their one bullet.
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@Earth
Sorry, I saw that and then forgot about it. I was looking at Whiteflame claim list from page 2z
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I get that my reads don’t have much of an affect seeing as I’m technically in the PoE pool, but I’ll go ahead and post them anyways.
Town:
Casey: Kingmaker seems like a really weird scum role, even if you can’t use it on your scum buddy
Banana: Polular is also a weird scum claim, and she’s been fine behaviorally so far
Lean town:
Lunatic: He’s been super active, and it’s all been practical with no fluff posting.
Whiteflame: Same as Luna really. Only reason they’re not town is because I’m not like 90% sure. That’s what got Casey and Banana up there.
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Earth: would like a full claim based on the lack of activity, but other than that, they’ve been fine behaviorally.
Lean Scum:
Owen: No activity at all this DP and hasn’t responded to pings for a claim.
Joebob: More activity, but the whole motion detector thing throws me off a little. I’ve been getting some town vibes from him, but I’ve learned not to trust those.
Anyways, that’s my two cents.
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@whiteflame
@iamanabanana
Same here with the going to sleep thing. In answer to banana’s question, It did briefly mention that he is currently in the Rayja Shaba, but the entire character, role and PM are focused around his time in the Rayja Shaba. The mention of Lok Shaba was so quick that I spaced on it for a minute when I was soft-claiming.
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@whiteflame
Because it could indicate that he’s lying about his role, since the information he received doesn’t match what we would expect for a Motion Detector. It doesn’t change anything about how we read the result.
Oh yeah, that makes sense I guess.
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@iamanabanana
It did acknowledge it, but only briefly, that’s why I made the mistake. The role and flavor text are all about his time in the Rayja Shaba and as the Minister of Health.
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@whiteflame
You said the result you received was that Moozer visited someone. Usually, the result for a Motion Detector is non-specific. It tells you the Motion Detector was tripped, i.e. that your target either visited someone or was visited, it doesn’t delineate between the two. The result is the same regardless. Unless it’s a specific variant, every Motion Detector I’ve seen has worked this way.
I get this whole confusing thing, but does it actually affect anything? I’m genuine curious, because either way we know that I visited somebody (you) with my doctor role, so we just have to wait and see if anybody visited me.
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@iamanabanana
I grovel at the feet of my king 🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️👑
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Okay, I promised my full claim first thing today so here it is.
I am Mansukh Mandaviya, member of the Rayja Shaba and Minister of health and family welfare. Keep in mind I already clarified that he is technically now in the Lok Shaba and minister of Labor, but this happened just recently so he is most known for his work as minister of health.
Because of this I am the 1x doctor. I visited Whiteflame because they are one of the more experienced players here and we didn’t have many roles to go off of.
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@FLRW
This is just a scam to raise money. Trump saw this about Hitler.I bet Trump is paying these people to fake assassination attempts.Maybe he is paying people to kill someone near him.
Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean you have to come up with conspiracy theories to confirm your own bias.
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I said it last time and I'll say it again. Anyone who supports this kind of political violence cannot also support democracy. You can hate a candidate as much as you want, but they deserve a chance to be democratically elected, and if they are, you cannot let your own actions decide the fate of the country and the millions who live in it.
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@ILikePie5
Oh wait, that’s a hammer, whoops.
Can I Unvote still?
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VTNL
Ideally I would want a lynch this DP, but since we are about an hour out and are back to the drawing board, I think we don’t really have a choice unless we want a hasty lynch.
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@whiteflame
@iamanabanana
Yeah, he’s had his chance, I don’t think he’s coming online anytime soon. You have my claim, I think it’s best just to Lynch him now and get it over with.
VTL Vader
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@whiteflame
@Casey_Risk
For what it’s worth, I have don’t this stuff before. I confused DP3 and DP4 in Upick mafia.
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@whiteflame
Yeah, so sorry about that. He just finished his term in the upper house, so because of that my PM was mostly about what he did then. He’s only been in the Lok Shaba for a few months, so he’s still most well known for being in the Rayja Shaba.
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@whiteflame
Sorry that took so long, was in the middle of something. I’m Mansukh Mandaviya.
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@Lunatic
I agree with you to a point. We should try to get his claim as much as possible, but if it comes down to it and he isn’t responding, we’ll have to settle for just lynching him.
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@sadolite
No body knows, and that’s how she’s going to keep it for as long as possible. It’s smart politics. You can’t blame a lion for eating your head off, and you can’t blame a politician for playing politics.
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@whiteflame
I still wouldn’t rule it out completely, but you’re right that it’s not the most likely scenario.
I suppose this makes me sus him less than the others, so I don’t really want to lynch him this DO at least.
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