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@WyIted
If I said that Herbert Hoover had the greatest economy as a president, you would call me a liar, right? I don’t dispute that Trumps term was pretty good, but the economy isn’t a matter of opinion when you take it as broadly as that. Hypothetical, if inflation was at 20%, and unemployment was high, you would call me out for saying that the economy was the best it ever has been.
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@Tidycraft
Wow, um okay. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, the economy can be up to debate, but the e have economic indicators to measure this stuff. In my opinion at least, the economy was not by a long shot the best it ever has been under president Trump, and I would still call it lying if he tries to say otherwise.
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@Tidycraft
Yeah, but it’s still misleading to say that the economy was the best ever under your presidency. It’s by no means true.
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@Intelligence_06
I found something kinda like that. I don't know jack shit about AI, so IDK if you could learn from it or something, but I'll link it below. Basically you can debate with an AI, and afterwards the AI grades your performance in the debate.
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@Mall
Normally yes, but when you’re talking about and all-knowing and all-powerful creator, it seems like he would have revealed himself more broadly by now. Also, just as a lack of evidence isn’t completely justification for not believing in god, it is certainly not justification for saying he is real.
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@WyIted
They don't support your argument because they never said that Trump told people to inject bleach. They were all very well researched and used true direct quotes. You said that they were all false.
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@Lunatic
Oh wait, so sorry to do this to you, but I’ve gotta be /out. Forgot I had a trip coming up. If you are really having trouble getting nine, tag me, but I won’t be able to post more that a few big ones per DP.
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@WyIted
The problem isn’t that his rhetoric can be interpreted one way, it’s that he clearly means it to be heard that way to uniformed voters. Also, you sources proved nothing, they were actually very accurate.
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@WyIted
Okay, you just completely ignored everything I said. This is like talking to a wall, you don't absorb anything. You keep only hearing what you want to hear, and you need to reexamine your beliefs.
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@WyIted
Doesn't matter he never says most.
But he basically does. When he says that "they're not sending their best", he's implying that a majority of immigrants are criminals. You're just hearing what you want to hear. You can't just interpret what he says however you want, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
This article doesn't even support your claim. Did you even read it? It was quoting mostly from a Whitehouse press conference where Trump had someone speak about how bleach will kill the Virus. This is all true.
All Mexicans are criminals
This article never even suggested that Trump said all Mexicans are criminals. It also goes on to show that Trump's claims are completely false, but you probably didn't read that far.
Trump dictator
This one literally quotes Trump saying he's going to be a dictator on day one. This is so stupid. You need to listen to yourself talk.
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@WyIted
Media- Trump said drink bleach to cure covidNever happened
Show me the article that says this
Trump- some criminals and terrorists are getting across the borderMedia- Trump said every single Mexican without exception is a criminal or a terrorist
Again, show me which media source said this. The way Trump’s rhetoric is, he makes it sound like most of them are terrorists and drug dealers, when most of them are not. He is still lying.
Media- Trump claims he will be a dictator
No one said this. Now your pulling a trump and trying to gaslight me.
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@Best.Korea
Everyone is confident they are the smart ones. Anyone who disagrees with them are automatically “dumb”. It’s a stupid bias.
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@WyIted
Okay, but he’s clearly trying to mislead unformed voters with hyperbolic and very misleading claims. This doesn’t bother you at all?
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@WyIted
No he didn't. You didn't watch the debate.
Not directly, but he very strongly implied it. It’s basically the same thing, and for the record I did watch it. Why would a start a thread on something I didn’t watch?
This is a convoluted way to say you disagree with his opinion
Look, if the economy is a matter of opinion, then why are you so mad about the job Biden has done? Why is it even an issue then? This is just plain stupid.
Then you should be easy to show me the tape where he admits to fucking her.
That’s not what I meant. There’s a recording of him talking with Cohen about the payments, but it’s pretty close to admitting to the affair. Stormy also testified under oath, and the jury found him guilty on all counts, so the evidence is pretty staggering.
Fun fact: one of the members of that jury reported that they got all their news from truth social. If you get all your media consumption from a propaganda source by trump, and still can find him guilty on all counts, he’s probably guilty.
Here’s the recording if you were interested: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-michael-cohen-audio-hush-money-trial-b2538857.html
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
I don’t know if you noticed or not, but that’s 5, so if you didn’t want to hammer straight away, you should unvote.
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@ILikePie5
Just to be totally fair, most of the roles in this game have at least two functions, but yeah, that’s pretty bad. I’ll give them a chance to defend themselves, but I’ll probably VTL soon.
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@ILikePie5
Care to elaborate? Oh, and can I see that irrefutable evidence that Casey is scum now? Because if it’s good, you might be of the hook for now.
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@WyIted
It's an opinion
When you get down to the specifics, yes, but we also have economic indicators to measure this stuff. Obviously the country was doing better economically under Calvin Coolidge than Herbert Hoover, not directly due to those presidents though. Coolidge was President during the roaring twenties, and Hoover was President during the depression. It’s not really an opinion when you zoom out at the bigger picture, and on that front trump was totally lying
Some do. Stephen singer has argued that it should be allowed up to one month after birth
But almost all of them don’t. Trump painted it the complete other way.
The only people who knows if he fu ked stormy Daniels and Donald trump
Yeah, and Donald Trump admitted to it on tape, and then later denied it. HE IS A LIAR.
Hyperbole
Unless you make it very clear, hyperbolies can still be construed as lying. He literally said “everyone wanted that”. It’s lying, and it’s shameful, and it’s a blatant attempt to sway uninformed and stupid voters period.
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@Casey_Risk
I don't agree. As Wylted already said, if I'm town and I get lynched at this point, it's not really a huge deal because it prevents the mafia from doing the NK for the third time in a row. This makes it a good idea for the town to kill me. It wouldn't be very wise for me to claim that role at this point in the game if I was scum.
My thinking was that it seems like such a townie role to claim that scum would claim it, and then not be lynched, but now that I’m writing it down, it sounds a bit too much like 4d chess or something.
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@Casey_Risk
No offense, but that’s a pretty scummy role to claim, especially with all these vigs floating around.
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@Swagnarok
Okay, that was my bad. I shouldn’t have been so hasty with the whole “felon” thing. However, while not being found guilty yet, he did probably rape E Jean Carrol, and Probably committed election fraud. These are much worse. Also he’s a racist and mysogonist, so even if Biden is a little senile, I prefer him to someone who’s telling Putin to “do whatever he wants”.
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@Savant
whereas Biden falling asleep during a negotiation would only be a flaw.
Which candidate fell asleep during their own trial? :P
Yep, these are the best cases for each of our only two choices. Feel proud to be American yet?
This is why Ranked Choice Voting would be such a better system.
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@Swagnarok
Well sure it matters. I'm just baffled about how much people seem to care about the age of someone who has proved that they can do the job. If Biden was a new comer, I might be worried because we wouldn't know anything about how well he can do, but since he's the incumbent, it's clear that he is very qualified for the job, and his mental health has nothing to do with his competence. Meanwhile, Trump is a convicted felon and relies on blatant falsehoods to sway stupid impressionable voters, (not saying that you are stupid), and no one seems to care. It really makes me rethink my faith in the general intelligence of human beings.
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@WyIted
He also claimed that everybody wanted abortion going back to the states, and that during Biden's term the U.S. had the worst national deficit in history. He claimed that his term was the best term ever economically in the history of America, which was SO WRONG. He claimed that Democrats supported infanticide. He lied about his "suckers and losers" quote, which he absolutely did say. He says he has 19 people who can say that he didn't say that, but has not backed that up in the slightest.
Even outside the debate he has lied about the stormy Daniels affair, when there is a tape of him admitting guilt! He is a dirty liar, and a convicted felon. I don't know what else to tell you.
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@WyIted
I'm not actually super informed on this issue, but can you cite a good source for it? Besides, this is one of the many lies he made.
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@WyIted
He literally said that the governor of Virginia killed a newborn.
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It’s a dark day in America when we judge politicians based on charisma and not trustworthiness.
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@AustinL0926
If you made this a troll game where there actually is no Mafia, I am going to find where you live and murder you. It is a little weird how there was no NK twice in a row.
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I have it down to Wyited, Casey and Pie in order from most to least scummy.
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@WyIted
Okay, that's valid, but I still prefer lynching Pie. I don't like to Lynch based on inactivity mostly. It's not just that Pie has been wrong twice, he has been so adamant about his choice, and so wrong each time. I don't mind if you get it wrong, but if you go all in, then there is a long way to fall.
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@WyIted
But the problem is that you never reveal this stuff. Just tell me what you’re thinking off the top of your head. I won’t take any of it seriously.
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@WyIted
I also have some reasons to scum read her. Her.
Okay, what are they? It shouldn’t be this hard to get reasoning from you.
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@WyIted
Casey is my top suspect and I am not as confident about pie.
I don’t mind that you have an opinion, I mind that you don’t explain them. That’s all I want, an explanation, because so far you have just been lynching PoE candidates and then putting way to much dumb “evidence” behind them.
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Just fyi everyone, I was looking through the PM and found this super scummy post from WyIted.
… it is best for town if you [moozer] help lynch Joebob. It’s you or him.
That doesn’t sound like a townie trying to lynch the most scummy person, that is scum trying to get me on board with a mislynch.
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@WyIted
Why are you getting mad at me for voting early. You did it first!
This won’t help, but for the record, scum team is 100% Pie and WyIted. I don’t care who we lynch first, but it’s them.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I lose my little faith in humanity when people don’t care about a candidate for president lying through his teeth, and get caught up on the other one sometimes fumbling over his words. It will be a dark day in America when people only care about a candidates charisma and charm rather than their actual record in office and accomplishments.
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@TheUnderdog
By that logic mastrubation is murder. (Prob spelled that wrong. My spell check won’t work on it for some reason.) Birth control also becomes murder because your actions directly deprived a fetus, or a sperm cell of life.
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@WyIted
It does. It's called the Flynn effect: www.verywellmind.com/the-flynn-effect-7565614#:~:text=In%201984%2C%20James%20Flynn%20discovered,about%203%20points%20per%20decade.
It's measuring people who only take the test once, so you're argument is irrelevant.
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@WyIted
False correlation. Movie preferences might impact a little about your life, but not enough to make you choose a much worse paying career path that you don't enjoy. This is kinda ridiculous if you read what you're saying.
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So let me get this straight. We are Lynching Joebob on account of a scum slip that a mod confirmable player supposedly made about him. If you don't want to vote me, you it stands to reason you also shouldn't want to vote Joebob!
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@Best.Korea
Surprisingly, I kind of agree with you. I’m under informed on the subject, but I don’t really believe in free will. Everything we see is just particles interacting with each other in reactive ways. I think it’s a fallacy to assume that some specific pattern of these particles can automatically just create free will. The argument against it is basically just “magic” if I’m very oversimplifying, and I don’t really buy it.
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