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Oh wait, it’s MYLO, just realized that. Still want the Earth lynch but let’s look into this a little more
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I’m ready to lynch Earth here and now. I already wanted to get him last DP, but you guys had to test my ability. I won’t VTL because of Whiteflame’s post, but just know that I’m ready to hammer whenever.
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Gonna go ahead and full claim, cause why not at this point.
I’m Dr. Daniel Clarke, apparently I did a lot of work making the NOVA 6 gas and the Russians attempted to silence me for what I knew. However I escaped for the time being, which is why I’m the escape artist.
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@Mharman
I expect a video of you eating shit by the end of day today
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Lunatic: town, his role gives him enough credit for now at least, and we’ve got better suspects to pursue
Banana: Null, hasn’t been active enough this DP, or maybe I haven’t been paying enough attention. My fault I don’t have reads here
Cerualean: Null, same as Banana, I haven’t been paying enough attention to give reads
Whiteflame: Slight town, Earth’s supposed motion detector gives us nothing, so I have to go on behavior, and Whiteflame’s been acting pretty normal I’d say. I don’t have any reason to suspect them.
Mharman: Null, I considered putting him in my scum pile, but that’s a bit too OMGUSy. I just don’t really understand why he’s after me. Not that I really mind testing my ability this DP if that’s what people want, but so far I’ve only really seen him and Earth advocating for it, and I’d rather do a real lynch since it’s DP2.
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Final reads:
Earth: scum, I know I said I bought his claim earlier, but I had missed where he said he didn’t see Whiteflame’s claim. Either he truly did miss it, and then picked Whiteflame at random which makes no sense (and he hasn’t answered why he did that), or he’s scum and he picked the person he knew would move just to be safe and have his claim line up, which makes a lot more sense. I’m fine lynching him this DP, the only thing that gives me pause is that his character is pretty important to the story but his justification is horrible, so it evens out for me. I also don’t like this post too much:
I'm okay to check Moozer's lynchproof, but otherwise I say we should pressure within Mhar or Cerulean.
No one was even suggesting testing my ability, and this feels like trying to get us to essentially VTNL.
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Does anyone besides Mhar want my full claim? I’m fine doing it I just need to know how much pressure is really on me.
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I legit missed that WF claim.
Actually never mind. I still buy this Earth claim but this trips me up a little bit.
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@Earth
Okay, I buy that claim. You didn't put up a fight and your character is an important one. The role and night actions check out, but I still don't really get your justification. I don't scum-read you, but how does your justification work, could you elaborate a bit?
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@whiteflame
Alright I’ll help you out
VTL Earth
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I don't hate the Earth pressure, and I'd be willing to pursue a claim but he's not exactly my top scum read. I'd put reads at something more like this:
Earth: Slight town. He's still in my PoE but I liked some of his page 1 posts. He could have easily targeted me for a Lynch after Mhar said my assumption was slightly suspicious
Banana: Slight scum, I still don't really understand why so many people assumed what seems like the less likely scenario, WyIted being the NK, so I'm kinda forced to scum read them a little. Other than that, it's mostly PoE.
Mharman: Slight Scum, same reason as Earth, plus he also assumed WyIted was the NK
Lunatic: Town, I know Whiteflame said not to townread Lunatic due to his role, but in a game with less information than normal, it's something pretty big to go on and I'd say neighborizor is more often a town role
Whiteflame: Null, I've never been good at reading Whiteflame behaviorally enough to provide a read
Cerulean: Null, maybe a slight scum read here, but really I can't get any good behavioral reads, so my slight scum read really comes down to activity and PoE, which isn't enough for me to put them in the scum pile
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@Lunatic
Plus, it's much worse to have a lynchproof scum. Unless mod puts a vigilante in the game, it disables towns ability to play the game.
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@Lunatic
Well with my performance the last few games I know for a fact that I need it
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@whiteflame
Just for future reference, I might have advocated for my own lynch in DP1 if I was in your shoes. Early confirmation during a phase where we didn't have any strong scumreads isn't as costly, and there's not a lot of value to keeping your role under wraps.
I would have done that if we were leaning towards no lynch, but we had enough reads I think it was a better choice to lynch. It's easy to look back and say It would have been better to get a confirmation in hindsight, but I think we had enough to work with that I wouldn't have wanted to go with a VTNL, and so it wasn't worth it to get myself lynched.
It's something I'm considering as well. I know if I'm reading through the OP, sometimes I'll skim it first, register who was killed, then go back through and figure out the details. Someone might do the same and post in that in-between period with thoughts. Not going to give them the benefit of the doubt for doing that, just saying I can see how someone might do it as town.
It's a possibility. I didn't get that vibe from anyone, but we'll see.
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@whiteflame
Yes, my role does end the DP if I'm lynched. I didn't really mean semi-confirmable, I just didn't want to say I was fully confirmable and then drop the bomb that we probably wont be able to confirm me.
I get that no one was leaning heavily on the assumption that WyIted got NKed, but the fact that it was the first thought of people is still weird to me. If someone with a role that kills them dies, it seems most likely that they used the role, right? Is there some reason that everyone thought it was more likely he was NKed that I'm missing? Because until I figure out why so many people went there first, it seems kinda suspicious in itself that it was the first though of some people, even if they didn't lean hard on that or stick to it long.
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@whiteflame
What interests me about the whole Martry situation is that so many people assumed he didn’t use it. Not that it wasn’t an okay assumption, but it seemed so clear from the info we had that he has used it.
Multiple people echoed that WyIted was a weird NK and when a Martry dies DP1, it seems more likely that they used their ability than were killed, right? Scum would obviously know that WyIted was NKed, so it’s a possibility that one of the people who assumed he was NKed right out of the gate scum slipped a little.
This line from banana fits that bill a little:
If he used his martyr then wouldn't there be no night kill?
But I could also see that being s genuine question. Maybe there’s some reason that so many people went this way that I’m missing. If so, I’d like to hear it.
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@whiteflame
Yeah, that’s why I said I’m only semi-confirmable. Town has to give up a lynch to confirm me which just isn’t worth it.
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Whiteflame also just said to claim my role, and I agree
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@Earth
No, I don’t see much of a point in full claiming. Just gives scum more info that they need.
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@whiteflame
Alright, I'm an escape artist. I get a free pass if I'm lynched in the DP. Essentially I can't be lynched the first time around, but then I'm confirmed so why Lynch me anyways.
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@Cerulean
Okay, guess I was wrong about the martyr situation. The fact that a martyr had died kinda implied for me that the ability was used, but that was clearly wrong.
BTW, I never actually said I had a daytime action, I just have a daytime ability, just clarifying. I honestly don't mind claiming right now, considering my role it might be the best course of action. I could also just claim role and not character. I am technically confirmable, but it's not really worth it because the town has to give up something for that to happen. So should I claim?
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@Mharman
Were you able to do anything last night? Because if someone’s action didn’t go through then we know WyIted martyred himself. Not that it really matters though.
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@iamanabanana
I don’t think there was. The Martry ability killed WyIted when he used it.
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@Earth
That sucks about bullish. Really wish he would have claimed that earlier. Doubt he would have been lynched then.
I’m a daytime role so nothing from me. Most likely explanation is that WyIted used his Martry
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Casey Risk: I always have a hard time reading Casey but I’ll go town for now
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WyIted: Playing normally. Maybe he’s lurking a little? But I’m probably just seeing shadows
Whiteflame: Not really understanding the reason some people have him as scummy
Slight scum?
Mharman: Same as Lunatic’s assesment, but that’s not to say I actually want to pursue a claim. These reads aren’t very strong
Bullish: I’ve explained my reasoning here. This time I do want to pursue a claim
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@Mharman
Just skimmed some of your posts, I’ll got back and read them but for now I’m also inclined to get a bullish claim. I already said I sussed him before, and I’m not jumping on this wagon to save myself. I’d. VTL but then he’d be at L-1.
I’d also be willing to claim if the time comes. If possible though I’d like to only share my role. I don’t care if scum knows my role, and it’s semi-confirmable, but if I give them my character that’s just free information.
Since I posted my scumread, we just witnessed him parrot a much-stated sus on Bullish (almost feel like my take was copied and taken further) and then sus Wylted the second Whiteflame questions something Wylted did. And then there’s the whole “I think scum is inexperienc- oop, nvm” thing. I’m not inspired.
In case this ends up moving to a lynch, I’ll defend myself on these things. DP1 I almost never have strong reads at all, other players can attest to this. When I said that scum might be experienced, I was throwing out ideas, not providing hard reads. I didn’t parrot your stance on bullish, and also, how is that scummy? Two people can have similar ideas. I also sused WyIted a tiny bit from the beginning, though like I said, I don’t really sus people that much DP1.
Here’s my full reads
Town:
Lunatic: He’s active and making great points. I could see how he’s buddying me and drawing attention away from banana and me, but I find it unlikely so I have no reason to sus for now
Banana: I mostly agree with Luna’s reasoning
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Earth: He’s always this inactive DP1
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Wait, why is nobody paying attention to whatever WyIted just did. I'm not really sure what to think of it, seems a bit random of a scum play so maybe it's town, but it's still weird.
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@Cerulean
I might as well answer Casey's last question and I'm tagging you cause why not. I honestly don't see a person who fits that description so I'll abandon that line of thinking.
Honestly, I'm getting a scum vibe from Bullish. He's being a little too loose and silly than normal, and If I remember right he usually takes this more seriously. My bet is he's trying to fly under the radar by making unassuming and part-fluff, part-troll, part-comedic posts. That's just vibes though, this could change easily.
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@Cerulean
I might as well answer Casey's last question and I'm tagging you cause why not. I honestly don't see a person who fits that description so I'll abandon that line of thinking.
Honestly, I'm getting a scum vibe from Bullish. He's being a little too loose and silly than normal, and If I remember right he usually takes this more seriously. My bet is he's trying to fly under the radar by making unassuming and part-fluff, part-troll, part-comedic posts. That's just vibes though, this could change easily.
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@Casey_Risk
Honestly, it surprises me too that I haven’t been targeted yet. The experienced players should know that I’m an easy mislynch, which maybe leads to the conclusion that scum team is less experienced.
Then again, there’s a lot of experienced players in this game so it would be hard to find someone who fits the bill of not being a noob but not being to veteran.
Then again, there’s a lot of experienced players in this game so it would be hard to find someone who fits the bill of not being a noob but not being to veteran.
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@Casey_Risk
Really depends on the player I guess. If someone is known for pushing Soft claims then I wouldn’t sus them but if someone is really pushing it more than usual that seems like something to watch. In general though, the people pushing it backed off quickly, so I don’t scumread anyone because of it.
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I feel the same. No need for soft claims really, we'll just pursue a few hard claims.
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@Lunatic
I agree, it could really go either way so I'm just going to make a note of it and move on.
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I haven't played with bullish too much, but what do people make of this post?
thank fuck I'm town cause I wasn't about to do research for this game
I'm genuinely asking, because there are some WIFOM arguments to be made that I'm not nearly advanced enough to see.
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Just posting so that people know I exist. Don't know anything about the topic, but I don't have a lot going on so I should be able to do research and be active.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Nope, no preference
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@Sir.Lancelot
I'm /in. How are the competitors going to be chosen? Are you going to pick a name out of a hat, or pick who you think would be best to compete?
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@RemyBrown
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. People see someone doing something bad (like singling out a minority or majority) and join the other party. They get caught up in their own echo chambers so much that they turn the other party into caricatures and single them out, but justify it because those are the people doing the bad things. Then it’s okay for them to do the bad things so they do them to the other party. Undecided people see this and join the other party, and the other party solidified their opinion of party 1 because they see party 1 doing the bad things, like scapegoating and dehumanizing beyond reason.
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@FLRW
This is a problem on both the right and the left. People are so entrenched today that they can’t see anything without trying to attach a narrative that supports their preconceived ideas. People died that day. Take a step back and just acknowledge that alone for a second
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@Casey_Risk
Put me down as a backup. The game sounds fun, but I’ll be off the grid from the 15th to 18th so I figure I shouldn’t risk it.
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Just making sure I'm going crazy and I'm not the only one who sees this.
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@Mall
And the question remains, why not use swear words?
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@Mall
Because I can, and it's useful sometimes. Why use adjectives? or nouns? or swear words? Because they all have a unique way of getting your point across and they all have their appropriate uses.
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@Mall
Why do you use non-profane language. What fucking purpose in hell does that even gain for you you fucking bitch?
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