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@secularmerlin
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
Because I know The Truth, I know that I am wrong. Me accepting that I am wrong is part of believing The Truth.
If I completely knew God, I would be able to accurately tell you how many germs live under your finger nail. To completely know God is to know everything. It is not possible to completely know God. But I know God, I recognize God. I know what it is my personal relationship is with.
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@Stephen
It means that those who do not abide in God abide in death, because everything they have faith in will be wiped away by time.
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@secularmerlin
I don't need to demonstrate any of these things.
No amount of explaining, no matter how thorough, is going to open the eyes of those who see but are blind. It will do nothing for a hard headed, stiff necked, and faithless people. To those who can understand, let them understand.
People would rather needlessly go about the. strivings of words than accept The Truth. Argue about what the truth is. That isn't the point. The point is that God exists, which is necessary given what God is, and people would rather be men pleasers than God.
I am very secure. I know that if I was a thousand times better at explaining and teaching it wouldn't make a difference.
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@secularmerlin
Yet here I am with no cognitive dissonance whatsoever.
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@secularmerlin
I have never claimes any different than what I have been claiming.
You don't understand or respect scripture or Christianity, so if you want to know what I believe, I am very open about it.
Everything I am saying is sound doctrine, and the reason why it seems alien to most of you when Christianity gets brought up is because you all think you know the faith when you don't.
But because I am educated in Christian theology, I know that the scriptures predict that I would get this response.
That is a personal testimony you don't need to concern yourself with.
Instead, get the spirit of what I'm saying. Take hold of this amd stick with it when you say,
If you wish to define god (capitalised or not) as reality regardless of what that reality turns out to be then that is one thin
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@secularmerlin
I know that I do not know because I know what it is I do not know.
You don't know what it is that I do not know. If you did, you'd say the same thing.
Instead, you deny The Ultimate Reality because you can't know it. I know The Ultimate Reality which is why I can say I don't know it while claiming to know it.
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If there is a reality higher than ultimate reality, that reality that is higher is the ultimate reality.
I call The Ultimate Reality God.
I see the God deniers making themselves fools trying to work their way around this. I know what I believe and I am very secure in it. The lack of faith that is being demonstrated here has nothing to do with what I am saying, it is a reflextion of the hearts of those who are in denial.
Scripture happens to prophesy this to be the case, and since I can plainly see it, it would be difficult for me to deny it.
Foolish posturing of those who have been driven mad by their vain imaginations, and have been cursed into delusion from their aversion to The Truth.
In time, all of you will be washed away with the tide like the sandcastles you are. Lives of vapour, smoke.
There is One who is eternal, The Holy God of which you all foolishly oppose in your ignorance.
Yet God forgives. Be convicted, and turn away from wickedness, instead embracing The Truth, the only hope you have to be liberated from the chains of suffering and death.
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@janesix
I would say that everyone has a uniqueness to their experience, and though you could definitely find certain consistencies and patterns related to where someones awareness tends to linger, in the end everyone has their own personal relationship with God.Do you think there is a set of structured stages we all go through, or do you think there are different STATES of consciousness, that not everyone necessarily goes through. Becasue we aren't all going to go through a crackhead stage, you know what I mean?
Even among people who have their consciousness hmin the same world, each individual still has a unique perspective. They have different thoughts, and this different states of consciousness. Even if they belong to the same group and have the same standards, motivations and focus.
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@RationalMadman
The Ultimate Reality is not contingent on knowing, neither can it be totally known.
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@janesix
Experiential knowledge. True knowledge. That is epignosis.
Maybe the difference between seeing something and believing what you read.
I don't believe what I do because I read some things. There are plenty who study their whole lives and never get it.
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I know there are some who try to categorize levels of consciousness and stuff, and it is even ingrained in some religions.
I think that all of these are likely simplifications that aren't truly exhaustive.
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@Outplayz
The definition of God is The Ultimate Reality.
For you, it is a simple matter of accepting the definition.
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@drafterman
IT IS REALITY
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@janesix
It is a Greek word, that translation will work fine.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
That is how I know God is real. It has to be real, there is no other alternative. There is no reality without it.
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@Goldtop
Science falsely so called.
Not science.
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@janesix
Probably as many as there are people.
I don't know, but there seems to be a clear difference between crackhead stage of consciousness and support a family consciousness.
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If you love The Truth, there will come a point when it becomes obvious that "wants" get in the way of this.
I'm sure Steven Hawking has plenty of cause to be bitter about God.
Is he even really a scientist? Or is he one of these sit around the fireplace while drinking wine and intellectually masturbating types? For some reason, these tend to be the ones that get propped up to be celebrity "scientists".
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@janesix
Because not every human is at the same stage of consciousness.
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Useless strvings about words.
How can you get any simpler than "The Ultimate Reality"?
It's baffling to me that this is so hard to understand.
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@drafterman
I believe I am speaking very lucidly.
I think you are letting what you think is knowledge get in the way of what is obvious.
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Gnosticism is heresy for good reason. People who put their faith in science falsely so called stray away from the faith and end up believing some very strange things.
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@Outplayz
Here is something you and many others seem to be struggling with...
Definitions of "Definition" courtesy of Merriam-Webster....
" statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol"
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"a statement expressing the essential nature of something"
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"the action or the power of describing, explaining, or making definite and clear"
And once again the definition of "God" courtesy Merriam-Webster...
"capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"
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@drafterman
What about what I'm saying do you believe contradicts what you are saying?
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@Outplayz
I am not talking about god, I am talking about God.
The capitalization is not arbitrary.
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I'm only aware of one reality: the reality we occupy. I am not aware that it needs a foundation or sustainment or that it is contingent upon some other reality. This is where you're going to have to help me. Because I am not aware that any of that exists or needs to exist.
I think this really is at the core of your questions.
There is reality as it seems to be and reality as it truly is. When you say, "the reality that we occupy", that doesn't really tell me much. We certainly all live in God, but what you call reality may in fact be what reality seems to be to you. The reality that you know.
The reality we can understand is not the same thing as reality as it truly is, and the reality thst we understand comes from reality as it truly is. Otherwise, what are we understanding?
For there to be an understanding, there must be an abstraction process, that is, a taking away of information. When we understand things, we are not really holding on to the entire thing. It is impossible to hold on to the whole thing, the very act of knowing necessitates the highlighting of some information at the expense of other information. In fact, this is something that goes to our very senses even. The ear does not see the way an eye does. They extract different information from the source, and so the way they sense the world is completely alien from each other.
The source is God.
If you can understand what I am saying here, every single one of your questions will be addressed.
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@Castin
I'm with you there. I am anonymous.
But some people use facebook.
There was a time back in the day when it was very commonly believed that anyone who puts personal information on the internet was an idiot.
Now it is the norm.
Times have changed, boy I tell ya.
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1. It is the difference between the uncreated and the created.
2. That which satisfies in total the essence of reality.
3. God
4. Because if you don't believe in this you don't really believe in reality at all.
5. God
6. Because this is what makes anything reality at all.
7. It is the determiner of all things. Nothing can overthrow it.
8. In the context of what I am saying, yes. Though in some contexts "The Truth" is used interchangeably with a truth, such as "I am telling you the truth". I am very specifically talking about The Supreme Being.
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It doesn't matter how thoroughly I explain what I'm talking about, because this is fundamentally not an issue of understanding. It is a heart issue. What is the mystery surrounding what truth means? Reality?
How can I even make claims about ultimate reality when the very concept itself is rejected? It is not hard to accept that there is a reality as it truly is. A reality true independent of observation and postulation. The very foundation of all realities, the sustainer of all realities, and the reality that is not contingent on other realities to exist.
The Supreme Being
The Ultimate Reality
The Absolute Truth
If God doesn't exist, even these fabricated realities which are ultimately unreal cannot exist.
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@drafterman
Knowledge without truth is vain.
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@drafterman
There is a limit to knowledge.
It is admirable to strive to find those limits for yourself.
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@drafterman
It seems to me like you are demanding a miracle.
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@SkepticalOne
I am very certain, and you could be too.
I am not preaching gnosticism.
Knowing God is there is not the same thing as "knowing the mind of God" as it is sometimes put. I don't, after all, know how many germs are scurrying about on your left eyelid right now.
You say you believe in reality and truth. Believing God is not really a stretch from this, it is intrinsic from this. There is no truth or reality without true reality.
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@Castin
The jealousy of God is a poetic way of saying that if a people turn over to vanities and forsake the truth, they are going to suffer for it. Idolatry tends to get passed down to children as well.
The lesson here is to keep it real, not live in fantasy land, which is destructive to yourself, society, and even your children.
Don't be shocked. This must be understood in context that the God worshipped here is not a creates thingg or a fabrication but The Truth itself.
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@Stephen
It is not MY interpretation;
Riiiiight
You seriously sound like a religious fanatic, I hope you know that.
And believe me, I know a few.
Not really interested to hear what you have to say anymore, you have been dismissed by me as a lunatic.
Now you can accuse me of not listening, and you'd be right because I just ignored everything you said after this.
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@SkepticalOne
The Ultimate Reality is God.
Whether or not you accept this, that is what the concept means.
The realest most existiest truest reality.
That is God.
What more do you want?
To say whatever is The Ultimate Reality is The Ultimate Reality is not a needless repetition, but the only way to make a true statement. Do you understand what that means? Then you know whatever it is, words only cheapen it. The God I am speaking of is not a fabrication, I cannot present you a fabrication and say that is God.
It's a mystery, but it is certainly not a needless repetition, and for you to dismiss it as such is to not really get the subject matter. You have to understand that there is a certain absurdity that comes with using the medium of creation to express that which is fundamentally uncreated.
I'm not talking about knowledge, I'm talking about The Truth. The Truth is God.
Why don't you tell me what The Truth is? What do you consider to be The Absolute Truth? That is what YOU think God is.
Well, my faith is not in my understanding, but God, which is certainly above and beyond my understanding.
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@Outplayz
I made no jump, you just did.
Why do you think human consciousness is the only consciousness?
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I don't see the point in not having fill in the blank for everything.
What if someone really wants to rep the guns and dope party, but can't because they have to pick from the following options? Same for religion... what if someone identifies as a devout taco groveler?
I mean shit, if we are going to pretend to be all inclusive, I see no good reason to not just make everything fill in the blank.
In fact, it would be really eady to be obnoxious and demand that your particular whatever was recognized, and paint it out like not doing so is intolerant.
In fact, I am offended at this site use of the gregorian calendar. I refuse to put my birthday in anything other than the Inuit calendar! I will not be another casualty to this sites bigotry and Roman bias!
*froth atta mouth*
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@Outplayz
I wouldn't rule it out.
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@drafterman
The realest truest most existiest reality there is.
Questions answered?
If not, me answering these questions won't help.You, after all, admit that the words I'm using are placeholders to you.
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@Outplayz
I am not talking about god, I am talking about God.
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@drafterman
You want some type of knowledge I can't give you, sorry. Perhaps you should get over your aversion to the unknown.
Maybe it would help if you contemplated what the words I'm telling you mean instead of taking them to be arbitrary and meaningless placeholders. I can't think for you.
Maybe it would help if you contemplated what the words I'm telling you mean instead of taking them to be arbitrary and meaningless placeholders. I can't think for you.
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@Stronn
What I believe is irrelevant, because you are debating against God, not me. Lets not make this about me.
The Ultimate Reality is God. Let that sink in. What that means.
People certainly believe a lot of things about God. Some of it may be true, some of it may not be true. If these claims about God are not true they in no way disprove God, because God is whatever is Ultimately Real and True.
There are a lot of ways that people conceptualize God. God is not a conception.
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@drafterman
Pardon me, yes.
When I say The Truth, I quite literally mean the truth.
And not like, "It is the truth that oranges are fruit"
I mean the truth as in, the very essence of what that means. The Truth. Not a truth, but the truth.
But to clarify even further, by the truth I specifically mean The Ultimate Reality.
Or if the capitalization bugs you, the ultimate reality.
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@drafterman
The Truth is a name of God so I capitalize it out of reverence.
It is the same reason I capitalize The Ultimate Reality.
I capitalize God because it means something different than god. I would, however, capitalize it anyway for the same reason I capitalize The Truth.
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@drafterman
See OP
My assertion that those who deny the existence of God are in denail of truth is totally justified.
I am secure in my integrity.
And your rejection of the definitions is proof to me that you are an arbitrary person who simply wants to be right. You crap on top of thousands of years worth of discussion over this subject by doing what you do, and I find it disrespectful and asinine.
How many people died to deliver this message, and what do your ilk do? Redefine language so that you can make that message unintelligible. Dismiss it.
But I don't believe tou know what you are doing. You can't, because if you really knew what you were doing, you would be a monster.
And that is my sincere belief. Sorry you don't think I'm honest.
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