Mopac

Authority is not simply a man made construct.

As I said, if something doesn't exist in Truth, it is nonexistent.

I know theology. You don't respect it as a legitimate field. The Truth is God. You say otherwise because you are ignorant. You don't have a case. 

So fumble all you want, I'm not budging because I KNOW BETTER. 

Supreme Being

It's right there in the definition you posted.

It is simply The Truth. It speaks for itself.

You don't know Truth so you are blind to what is evident.

You profess to believe in physics. You know what energy is. What happens to the whole universe if there is no energy? 

But it goes deeper than that even. The Ultimate Reality has all authority. If something doesn't exist in Truth, it doesn't exist.

Yeah, and the ark of the covenant has statues of cherubim on it.

I myself have always found this very puzzling. I must admit, I have always been an iconoclast heretic until oneday I heard a really good orthodox argument against iconoclasm... if you throw out icons, you actually throw the entire thing out.

I thought about it and realized there might be something to that, so I am no longer an iconoclast.

Maybe you are expecting a miracle. 

God is The Truth. You know The Truth exists. A relationship with God is a relationship with that.

Somebody replied before reading the last sentence in my post.

If reality has no power, it is nonreality. It is nonexistence.

Because without the fundamental power to all reality, there is no reality.

What is powerless reality? Non existent. 

Think about the myriad of objects that rely on electricity and become nothing more than useless bricks without it.

Really though, this is even more fundamental, because there aren't even any useless bricks without God. There is nothing.

I'm very specifically talking about The Supreme Being.

I'm not talking about gods.

Shen = god

Tao = God

Your argument is simply to be contrary. A child who hardly knows how to speak is capable of doing this.

It's very related to what we are talking about. Do you have a problem when people quote anything else?

But I will bring it back home.

Money exists. It is a reality. It is true. Simply by existing, it has intrinsic value. It is after all, not nothing. It registers as something other than nothing. It has distinctness from nothing. You notice it as something.

There its value.

That and you can exchange it for stuff. You ever hear the phrase, and I'm sorry if you have an aversion to quotes "everything is worth what its purchaser pays for it"?

Well, people are willing to pay me stuff to take my money. I think that counts for something.

Look at you speaking for everyone.

Typical mad fumbler behavior.

It must be boggling to someone like you who doesn't believe in truth, but there are actually times when there are right and wrong position.

You might as well be arguing that. the sun is made of ice.

Sometimes we never get to see the plants that grow out of the seeds we plant.

Johnny appleseed over here.

There is nothing about this particular subject that can be debated. Either you accept the truth or you are wrong.

You don't accept the truth, so you are wrong.

You are actually the one without an argument, and now you are fumbling like a mad man.

You would be better off confessing the truth.

My reason for not voting is actually very simple.

I have to live with other people's bad decisions regardless of what happens. 

Well, know that I am not saying God exists because God is in the dictionary. That is not my argument.

Pardon me for any misunderstanding.

Of course God exists.

We have nothing to debate.

Rationalmadman has me blocked. When joined the site the first thing I did was issue a debate challenge. Rationalmadman refused, because he knows my argument is flawless, and he'd rather debate jobbers and be smug in his pagan delusions.

No one is saying that except you, and no one is disputing that your straw man argument is stupid.

But you are ignoring the definition regardless because you don't respect the dictionary as an authority when it comes to the defining of terms.

When I say God, I mean the ultimate reality, and the dictionary backs me up.

What is your argument along with every other theophobe? God can't exist no matter what.

Denying God is superstitious. You'd be better off confessing The Truth.

Weak argument? It's not even an argument. It's a demonstration that atheists can't honestly discuss this subject. It demonstrates that they are simply being arbitrary, and there isn't a shred of legitimate reasonableness to their position. 

It is a light that exposes their foolishness.

There aren't any good arguments to the atheist because they have adopted a position that literally means, There is no truth!

By arguing with them, you condescend to their level of foolishness.

But aye, sometimes one must become a fool for Christ's sake.

They certainly exist in folklore.

Idioms don't translate well. But no, these concepts do actually have meaning that I believe becomes clearer with the study of scripture. More importantly than that, the spirit of scripture.

But thankfully, it is not necessary to even be literate to be a good Christian. Being a good Christian is not about knowing everything. There is a difference between faith in The Truth and faith in knowledge. 

All definitions courtesy Merriam-webster...

Leprechaun 

"a mischievous elf of Irish folklore usuallybelieved to reveal the hiding place of treasure if caught"

Gnome

"an ageless and often deformed dwarf of folklore who lives in the earth and usuallyguards treasure"

Werewolf

"a person transformed into a wolf or capable of assuming a wolf's form"

God

"The supreme or ultimate reality"

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Notice how one of these words is defined as THE ESSENCE OF REALITY ITSELF.

If you say God, that is, The Ultimate Reality, doesn't exist.. you are holding a really stupid position.

Oh yeah, or get called a race traitor or uncle tom, something like that.

Believe me, and I know you do, it's really obnoxious. Not all blacks vote democrat. I don't vote(which I get a lot of trouble for because that makes me part of the problem according to people on every end of the spectrum), but my spouse votes republican. There are a lot of blacks that buy into that crap, but there are a lot of whites and others who do as well. 

Did I just imply voting democrat is like voting for socialism? I might have. Lol.

You breaking up my posts into pieces tells me that you aren't really listening.

Do you interupt people when they talk?

You really do behave like a fanatic, you know? And you don't accept answers you don't like.

You are talking at me, you aren't really listening. That is the impression you are giving me.

I will at least agree that in the context of this discussion, paradise or heaven Is not a place in the sky up in the clouds.

It may also shock you that Jesus isn't going to float in the sky and do a sky dance as everyone who has ever died is resurrected and brought up there in the sky to join in.

The letter kills the spirit brings life. This is a major overarching theme of the new Testament 

You are simply throwing as much crap against the wall as you can, seeing what sticks. You do not believe in anything. You have no conviction. You say what you think sounds convincing. Not because it is true, truth is no factor in wht you say. You must think fooling people gives you power or something. Who knows?

What I do know is that as long as you are speaking from the premise that God doesn't exist, you can be dismissed as a liar because God is The Truth, and you don't believe in God.

You don't believe in truth, yet you expect to be believed. You are a fool.

"let God be true, but every man a liar"

"we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

Then you admit that you don't believe anything is true, so you don't have conviction in anything you say.

You aren't standing on anything.

Gnomes are not definied as being reality itself.

This is a really mindless argument. 

What do you mean when you say "identity divisions"?

So you confess that God exists?

I obviously believe that I'm saying what the bible says, Steven. 

Why don't you tell me what you believe scripture says? Better yet, why don't you just tell me what scripture says, because obviously there is no interpretation going into whatever godly declarations you make.

Where are paradise and heaven? In God. In The Truth. That is what I am saying.

As you can see based on the OP, when you deny the. existence of God, you are denying that which is ultimately real. If there is no Ultimate Reality, there is no such thing as truth.

Thus, you deny the existence of truth, which is why everything you say can be dismissed as a lie, even you accusing me of being a liar.

You aren't standing on anything.

Yet your foundational position is that there is no truth, so everything you assert can be dismissed as a lie.

I just want you to know that everytime you argue against an academically respected dictionary as having authority over the defining of terms, there are going to be witnesses who see this as the one thing that proves your position comes from arrogant posturing. That reason alone is enough to make it worth repeating. There are few behaviors of yours that more clearly expose you as a clown than that.

But that isn't what this topic is about, so troll somewhere else or get ignored.

I see.

You can't think of a good example of a community organizer?

Ok, I'm cooled down. Pardon me for letting you offend me. 

I already told you what I take paradise to mean.

In the context of the Lord's prayer....

"Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven"

That has to do with accepting God's sovereign will over all things, rather than seeing the world as being something other than what it should be. After all, God did it. To accept God's will as being done on Earth as in Heaven is to not have cognitive dissonance concerning how things actually are.

Godliness with contentment is heaven here on Earth. 

To be real, she was the living embodiment of everything I hated about politicians even as far back as when she ran against Obama.

So is there anyone actually crazy enough to debate the reality of truth?

Of course not, and if there was, they would be exposed as the fool they are.

Let it be known that The Truth is God, and there is no argument against God that can stand. 

Atheism towards God is a foolish position. 

You talk like an ambush journalist.

You're a fanatic. You aren't really trying to get answers, you are trying to justify yourself.

If this wasn't the case, you wouldn't be so rude.

Maybe I'll drop in on another topic you make at a later time, and we can try this again.

As a community organizer who organizes for non political and charitable causes I gotta say...

Nuh uh!

That is a very rude thing to say, and it isn't really true either.

Here is something for you to chew on if you want.

Very related to what I actually claimed.

Anyway, have a good one, meanie.

If Truth is good and evil falsehood, morality looks very different.

That is precisely what I am saying.

Every action has intended and unintended repercussions.

For example, if you intend to do only "good", you can not avoid the "evil" that comes from doing what you think is good.

I just want you to know that I interpret your unreasonable fanaticism as insecurity. 

Do you believe that The Ultimate Reality exists?

That is, do you believe in the realest most true existence as it really is type reality?

Interpretation

"My understanding of God does not exist"