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@WyseGui
I don't need to demonstrate that The Truth exists.
This is clearly an unreasonable and backwards request.
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@3RU7AL
Better than the kool-aid you are drinking.
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@WyseGui
You know, if you practiced something as simple as turning the other cheek, I wouldn't have to waste my time sorting through your endless whining about how you think I'm a big meanie.
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@ludofl3x
Well then, in that case, what I say still stands.
There is One True God.
Interesting fact, early Christians were called atheists by the pagan Romans.
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@ludofl3x
So actually, just to clarify...
Are you saying that you accept the existence of God, not gods?
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@WyseGui
I don't know what your intentions are. What I can see is that you are acting in ignorance.
Unfortunately, you prefer to be haughty so you think I am simply insulting you. I am not. I want you to understand. I want you to be made well. I am on your side. I am not trying to destroy you or puff myself up.
However, it is true, and thus written, "God gives grace to the humble, but resists the proud."
So if you don't believe I have anything to offer, you don't have to listen to me. I am not terribly interested in arguing fruitlessly.
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@ludofl3x
Lack of belief in gods.
Like I said, defined in relation.
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@3RU7AL
Ok, well, congratulations on that Bible thing, it certainly seems to be popular, I hope you're getting a bunch of royalties.And, by the way, what did you base it on? Were there any underlying principles or first and second order axioms or did you just make it all up off the cuff?
It is too complicated for a simple answer. I suggest studying it with guidance from The Church.
What I can say is what I have been saying the whole time. Our religion is Truth worship, and the experience of the church is living this in a world that prefers darkness to the light.
And so, a lot of the outward manifestations of the faith have to do with this interaction.
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@Stronn
Atheism is literallly defined in its relation to God.
As God is The Ultimate Reality, and you refuse to accept this, you are guilty of what you accuse me of just now.
If you do believe that God is The Ultimate Reality, then atheism is obviously nihilism or some arbitrary derivative of nihilism.
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@WyseGui
Obviously if you aren't trying to understand me, you will get nothing from me.
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@WyseGui
You don't come off as reasonable to me. You come off as immature.
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@3RU7AL
I don't think what I told you before has truly registered.
Our religion does not derive from the bible. We are a living church. We wrote the bible. It comes from our tradition, not the other way around.
Protestants are not a part of our tradition, so they construct their own from the bible. See the difference?
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@3RU7AL
You’ve probably seen these signs at restaurants: “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” Or, “No shirt, no shoes, no service.”But what do these signs really mean? Can a business just refuse service to someone? Can they throw you out if you forgot your flip-flops on the beach? When is a refusal to serve someone justified and when is it discrimination that could lead to a lawsuit? [LINK]
I am not interested in effecting law.
It is better to love from the heart rather than simply go through the motions of love because you might get in trouble if you don't.
That is what we teach. We are not a legalistic faith. We hold free will in reverence. Jesus Christ is the lover of all mankind, even dying for those who crucified him(remember, he gave his life, it was not taken). That all being the case, God honors those who out of their own free will choose good, not those who are coerced into doing externally good works.
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@3RU7AL
Churches do run adoption agencies.
Which by the way, is a legitimate and more ethical alternative to abortion.
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@Stephen
I am being very consistent with church teaching has been for thousands of years.
The real problem is I am talking to people who don't really care to know, but would rather lean on their own understanding.
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@WyseGui
This attitude is not conducive to meaningful discussion, it is wholly destructive.
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@janesix
@Goldtop
I'd like to point out that I am married and that one of us is black and one of us is white.
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@WyseGui
I could say the same to you, so that is a not a valid argument.
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@3RU7AL
I am not trying to effect the law.
In fact, I religiously abstain from voting
Stay out of my church, that is what I really care about. Don't force us to adopt kids to perverts either.
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@3RU7AL
I believe in a private businesss right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
The kind of standard you think should apply to private businesses, maybe clubs, or even churches... I think should be applied to government and government contractors.
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@WyseGui
The Ultimate Reality by essence exists.
If you say otherwise, your problem is English comprehension.
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@3RU7AL
If it means anything else, I helped organize a memorial service for a friend who was into that lgbt lifestyle.
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@3RU7AL
If it means anything, I'd just bake the cake.
I still believe someone has a right not to.
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@WyseGui
You will get nothing from me, because you think you know already.
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@WyseGui
You reject my "reasoning" on hearing, so I don't think you actually understand it.
You claim that I am "redefining" language, but my religion is older than your language, and this is the langusge we use.
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@3RU7AL
Our religion isn't to play nice. It is to sincerely be nice.
Our religion is love, and true love. Pure love.
We know what we are doing. We don't need the interference of a perverse and wicked government to tell us how to do what we have been for thousands of years.
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@3RU7AL
If your intention by passing a law is to screw over a certain group, say, white supremacists, and that law happens to screw over other groups incidentally... you are treating dandruff by decapitation.
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Sure, sure, they can do all of these things, as long as they don't discriminate or advocate violence.
The nature of the group is inherently discriminatory. You don't think men's only clubs have a right to exist? Advocating violence is not quite acting out in violence.
I'm sure there are plenty of gun owning minorities and gays who hate other minorities and gays just as much as anyone and would love to join.
If the group they want to join doesn't want them, they can start their own group.
Making a law that says, "everybody play nice" is not going to jeopardize my freedom in any way whatsoever.
Maybe it doesn't effect your freedom. And maybe you don't understand why we don't have women priests, but that doesn't mean we should be held to your standards of playing nice. Maybe your idea of playing nice is actually not so very nice to us.
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@3RU7AL
Secular religion is about effecting change through things like government policy. That isn't really our way. As Jesus Christ even said, "My kingdom is not of this world."
That said, we do respect secular authorities, as even Jesus Christ said, "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above."
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The key to unlocking the consistency of atheist thought is the realization that it is nihilism.
If God is real, nihilism is false. Certainly, God is real. As this is the case, atheist indoctrination is primarily focused on obscuring what it is that atheism actually means. The only way you can sneak a philosophy of "There is no truth" into the minds of those who believe in truth is to be deceptive!
Atheism is deception.
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@3RU7AL
I don't think the law should be used to treat dandruff by decapitation.
At the same time, I believe white supremacists have the right to peaceably assemble, print their own literature, speak freely without state intervention, petition the government, own firearms, etc.
To not respect these rights is to put your own in jeopardy even.
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A good way to avoid these issues is to only have sex if you don't mind getting pregnant. Be married?
Post "sexual liberation" culture is really stupid and immoral.
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We are so sanctimonious for resisting rape.
Lord have mercy
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@Goldtop
Also.
“The Equality Act would gut religious freedom protections — even the freedom currently enjoyed by houses of worship,” the letter argues.
“Under its changes to the employment nondiscrimination provisions in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, some houses of worship would be barred from ensuring their leaders and other employees abide by their beliefs about marriage, sexual behavior, and the distinction between the sexes.”
The leaders warn that women who identify as men would have to be accepted as men and be “potentially eligible to serve in positions reserved for men,” such as a Catholic priest or Jewish rabbi.
The conservative leaders warn that religious employers who fall under Title VII law could be forced to offer insurance coverage for hormone therapy, sex reassignment surgery or other procedures that violate their consciences.
“[T]he Equality Act would expressly do away with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act’s application to its provisions, thereby precluding any religious freedom claims which clergy or others might bring,” the letter adds. “Under such restrictions, the pathway for the gospel would slowly be closed off.”
While the Equality Act has been praised and supported by LGBT activists and Democrats, conservative-leaning think tanks and legal organizations have voiced concerns that the bill would impact those who don’t affirm the gender ideology pushed in the bill.
The Equality Act was reintroduced by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi in March. Critics have contended that it could compel speech, lead to the closing of nonprofit adoption and foster care providers, allow biological men to compete in women’s sporting events and even coerce medical professionals to do procedures that go against their consciences.
As some parents have already lost custodyfor their refusal to support a child’s wishes for gender transition, critics feel such a situation will become more common if the Equality Act were to pass.
In an op-ed this week, Perkins, a Baptist pastor, stressed the fact that the Equality Act expands the meaning of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include “pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition.”
“In other words, under the terms of this proposal, ‘pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition’ shall not receive less favorable treatment than other physical conditions,” Perkins wrote.
“Under this big new umbrella of ‘discrimination,’ any American who doesn’t want to fund, offer, perform, or participate in abortion on demand will have no real choice. They can conform — or they can be punished.
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The same white supremacists who came up with white privilege are the ones who go on tv and talk about what the black community feels about the issue as if black people were some kind of monolithic entity.
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@n8nrgmi
the disadvantage of not being white, is just another name for white privilege. a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. damn it, logic! it will do that to ya.
Are you saying that white genes are supreme?
So how is white privilege not another way of saying white supremacy?
Also, how is acknowledging your white privilege not an admission of being a white supremacist?
Quite a burden for the white man, eh?
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The same white supremacists who brought you white privilege are the ones who say that it is racist to require an ID to vote, because black people are too stupid/incompetent to have IDs or something.
Really though, try this as an experiment. Go out on the street(uh oh, I said street. The blackness! Lol) and ask every black person you see if they have an ID. I bet you'll soon find that it is weirder to see someone without an ID than with.
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@n8nrgmi
The Eritrean community goes to my church, but it is actually an Antiochan church. Eastern Orthodox.
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*at work, looks around*
There are like 5 white people here, everybody else is black. Like 50 employees? 4 out of 5 supervisors are black. Manager is black.
Lol
Ok, there are more than 5 white people here, but seriously, well over half of the people who work here are black.
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White priviledge. Hah. I love it when white people own up to their privilege.
It is kind of like saying, "I'm privileged to be white."
The kind of white people who go on about this make me wonder if they realize how racist it sounds.
From now on, when a white person says "I acknowledge my white privilege", I am going translate this in my head to "I am a white supremacist. "
Buahahaha
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I like it when the commies point at the capitalists and accuse them of being materialists when it should be obvious that they are both materialistic philosophies.
It seems to me that secularism and even atheism is the logical result of protestant scholasticism.
I doubt many protestants would agree with me on this, but they are obviously looking at this from a different angle than I am.
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I think the discordian mantra reveals both something about intellectual masturbation(philosophy) and even the nature of creation itself.
Note that The Ultimate Reality, being The Uncreated, is distinct from creation.
"All affirmations are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true, false, and meaningless in some sense."
It should be obvious that many of the armchair atheist philosophers around here struggle with the all affirmations are true in some sense, because then they would have to admit that God is true in some sense.
Really though, God is The Truth in every sense.
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@janesix
If the evidence is enough to convince you, that is proof.
Proof is...
"the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact."
That being the case, it is important to note that something that is proof for one may not be proof for all. In fact, if you present all the evidence in the world to someone, enough to convince any reasonable person, and they stubbornly refuse to change their mind, they would not be lying if they arbitrarily claim, "I see no proof!"
For something to be proof, a mind has to change.
So I would say that you believe in free will because of proof. It has been proven to you.
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Says the one calling for my censorship.
*drops mic*
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Faith as we Orthodox understand it, is not something that is grasped intellectually in the mind, it is something to be walked out.
You can think about these things all your life, and until you step out in it, none of it will make sense. You see but a shadow.
Our relationship with God is through Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. We abide in The Son, enlivened by The Holy Spirit, united to The Father in The Son.
Not on this mountain or in that temple but in Spirit and Truth.
But to answer the question. Yes, and you could too.
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