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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Well, here is the interesting thing about infinite regression once you mix a conscious entity into it... it works. Bc infinite regression is only a problem with linear things that move forward in a linear time... but that is not how conscious works and/or could work.the "infinite regression"
Say we have this "god" entity which is a conscious platform. It would be able to jump around, into the future, the past, the present... it doesn't matter, all it would have to do is manifest into an experience. So, there may be infinite earth type realities, but say it wants to be a musician in this reality... then, all it does is manifest into this reality... whether there are infinite before/after it doesn't matter. Bc an infinite conscious platform doesn't have the problem of infinite regression bc it doesn't have to be confined by linear movements. If i were this conscious "god" and i wanted to be on the other side of the universe... i'd just have to imagine i'm there. Time or distance wouldn't matter. Same goes for multiple universe. If there are multiple Harry Potter universes, all i would have to do is imagine in being in one of them and manifest into the experience i wanted to have.
That is another reason actually why i like a conscious platform idea... it takes care of an infinite regress paradox since consciousness isn't linear in this case. It can be everywhere, somewhere, nowhere... an incorporeal infinite conscious platform wouldn't have a regress paradox. And as to what came before it, there doesn't need to be anything... or quite frankly, it could have been absolute nothing, then something... we would be the something, the "god" platform would be the something... so now there is no such thing as absolute nothing since everything is something. This platform would encompass all of it.
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@Mopac
How would you define revelation (or how should i be construing it)?Revelation is not a feeling. In fact, strong feels tend to accompany delusion.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
So is a god idea depending on how you define god. The way i define god, as a platform, is basically the same as a simulation argument... i think less so ID but also i guess that depends on definitions. My definition could not be needed... if a simulation argument is just a paradox with no beginning, but that is a problem with it. Who were the first ones? And, where did they come from? Therefore, if god is an infinite platform that has always existed, then that would answer their source. I think a platform where everything originates fits ID too... but, i'm not sure. To me, ID sounds like either one god or many beings create things... which also falls into the trap of where they came from. But if life and everything in-between has always existed within a platform that is both conscious, not conscious, everything and nothing... then, other platforms make sense... and questions like purpose or fun go out the window since the source platform will not have any attachments... it would be completely free of anything and would be absolutely relative. At least at this point, some kind of platform like that makes most sense to me... and, a simulation argument seems like a plausible implication of such a platform.sure I would see them as the same basic idea I think.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I see where you went with that... do you think a simulation theory/argument is a good one for ID?the most reasonable explanation is intelligent design which then points to purpose.
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@ludofl3x
You're going to fall into the trap of assigning human emotions and motivations to something that is not, purportedly, human in any way, even though he's described in various human terms as jealous, loving, kind, angry, etc.
Yeah, i said earlier all i can do is anthropomorphize this god. Who knows. It may be enjoyable being everything at once, but i tend to think people hate spoilers. And that's how i see god like powers... or at least an Omni type god.
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@ludofl3x
That's right, i wasn't thinking about that when i watched the series and i usually correlate those things (if you're talking about the show). Manhattan is sorta a god in that universe. But things don't make sense when they introduce someone so powerful. If he knows everything, then it should have been impossible for the mere mortals to capture him... unless he willingly allowed it for another purpose.Isn't this basically what happened to Dr. Manhattan?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Living beings are curious bc some are purpose driven, then there are some that don't find purpose in anything. But, i would say the vast majority are purpose driven. What's interesting to me is when humans create some sort of A.I. we can download ourselves into. Bc in such a program, we will start to become more like this god we debate present day. What a crazy future that would be. Possibility being able to be conscious of everything at once, plus another infinite possibilities with such a creation. Which all of it is another interesting theory... maybe our purpose is to create god just like caterpillars turn into butterflies.
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@Mopac
But revelation is also reasoning/imagination... but i would argue with some added endorphins and other chemicals that make you feel the rush of it.The Truth comes by revelation
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@ethang5
The gap between us and God, is greater than the gap between 5 year olds and adults so the comparison doesn't capture the full immature absurdity of the question.
I'm only making a guess as to what it would be like with my limited understanding/perception. To me, knowing the beginning, middle and end of every story that can ever play out or exist seems pretty hellish. A god, where that is all it knows, may be different.. i don't know. It just doesn't seem like an enjoyable existence in such a state... to me at least, a finite being. I don't understand why however, it's such a big deal to some to think god would choose not to be god. I'd personally be glad it took that route.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I understand we are very limited especially in thought and knowledge, if God knows and sees all then there's nothing new for God to ever experience, if there were that would be a limitations wouldn't it?
That's true. I tend to call that the ultimate spoiler. Why would any conscious being want to be this god? It sounds like hell to me. Maybe that's why finite existence is a thing. Maybe god evolved and once it realized this spoiler... it has never gone back to being god.
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@EtrnlVw
This may explain partially why we would ever be here in the first place because actually this level of creation is like the lesson level
To me this life can mean many things. One of them being a lesson. Here let me give an example. Say i already have it planned out that i will be a vampire (i know i know, my favorite fantasy) in my next life. The real question is... what type of vampire would i be relative to who i am. If i am going to struggle with my darkness than become a light vampire... then, it would be good to practice urges. So, in this life i would struggle with addiction in preparation for a harder struggle of not killing good people. Also, that's not the only thing. Stuff like family will also be different in a vampire existence. I will live for years while my family dies. So, in this life... i have it set so i can have the maximum time around the people i love. This is interesting, bc things like set backs in life and having to stay at home makes sense in order for me to be with my family more. I may look at these set backs as a bad thing in this life, but it was designed in order for me to experience what i want to the maximum in this life bc i know my next i will miss them for a long time. You can imagine how many other things in this life can be straight out preparation for my next. I believe it is this way, bc in my infinite state... i know a lot more than i do now. I may have already planned out eternity of experiences in my infinite state... so it's like a cosmic chest game. Moving the pieces with infinite steps already planned out.
Do Mormons have levels of Heaven? I've heard some of their more bizarre beliefs but I didn't know they had that aspect.
I've studied every religion at least once so they are all hazy unless i research them again (which i'm not in research mode at all right now). But, i do remember Mormons bc they did have an interesting take on the afterlife. It was much different than Christians so it stood out. I think they have like 4 or 5 levels of heaven. The ultimate one is where you get to create your own world or something like that and others being stuff like purgatory or being in a social world. But, that came with a lot of things to do like be a good Mormon, marry, and what not. I don't remember exactly, but it's interesting. I'd look it up bc i don't remember exactly how it works but it was cool in my opinion.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
that's interesting we have similar thoughts. the thought of not having my body, remaining me, the individual is frighting as you described. to think we are just extensions of one thing and we'd just be absorbed into it and loose our individualism doesn't sound fun.
Yeah, maybe that is why we are in this world. I had a trip off Saliva once and i basically became my belief. I was immortal within my own consciousness. I remember even having the sense of omnipotence, omniscience, etc. When i was in that state, i remember all i wanted to do was shut it off and become human again. I even realized that i am asking for coming back to a flawed and evil world, but that was still better than being infinite. Pretty crazy experience that reinforced my belief in my fear of that type immortality. But who knows. I'm sure given the hallucinogen, it could be different. My friend personally thinks it would be awesome to be infinite.
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@EtrnlVw
Oh, i agree on those types of levels. I just don't agree i have to do anything special to get to those levels. Like, i don't think i have to relive this life 100 times before i'm ready for the next level... or how Mormons say you should do this or that to get to this level of heaven. I simply think i will just pick the next experience in whatever next level i probably have already planned out.Ironically that is actually why there are levels, or a multiverse.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I think Mormons are one of those religions. Some eastern religion talk about karma and levels too. I don't know. The way i look at it is all of it could be true. Maybe that is the heaven they come from so that is what they know. If god is infinite and everything... that is pretty wild. That would mean everything we have thought of... and beyond is known by this "god." Therefore, if i think there is levels to heaven and believe that... maybe that's true for me. However, i tend to think there are no levels... my personal belief that connects most to me, or i hope for, is that i am simply an infinite being manifesting into finite experiences. This is bc i believe, very much so, being infinite would be frightening. I'd rather just get there, be like "oh shit" ... then, manifest into my next finite experience. I hope it happens this way... but if it happens another way, or nothing at all... i guess i'll just have to deal with it like everything else. Either we move forward or we don't, but if you do move forward... it's best to be confident that you'll meet that journey with a smile.some religions, I seem to recall, describe different levels of heaven, a hierarchy where you can go down at will but must work or earn to go up.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It was a while back i was researching dimension concepts from string theory people, but from what i remember... they gave a couple scenarios, the last being that there could be infinite dimensions. And, if we are talking about an omni god, i don't see why there would be an limits on dimensions since an incorporeal consciousness can infinitely exist in dimension after dimension. Again, this can be demonstrated through probability of what humans are capable of. If we create simulations... how many simulations are we deep in? Wouldn't we be able to download into simulation after simulation... infinitely? I think the person that came up with the simulation argument argues it is much more likely that we are in a simulation now. But the thing that begs the question is who were the first to create a simulation... and, where did the first come from. I think that would be answered by a god type platform that has always existed. In which case, i would say this god is lost, or very deep, into realities now. Maybe it doesn't even know it's god anymore and that was its purpose to escape being infinite.to me the theories of multiple dimensions seems to fit (11 dimensions is the most I have heard of so far)
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I get what you mean, but to take this up to god level makes things tricky. Honestly, it is hard imagining what it would be like to be a god... especially with all the omni's (omnipotent, etc)... that is a crazy reality. I guess you can get close to that level with hallucinogens. But you still can't really imagine it. But, the point of purpose is why i don't think god is an individual and more of a platform. If god is a platform and is everything, then it's also something without purpose... it's also nothing bc god would also be the universe. The universe cannot distinguish bw being something and nothing, so if god is also the universe, it's also nothing while being everything else. That's why it's hard imagining what it would be like to be an "everything" god. But if this was a platform than basically we are all mini-gods in our own right with free choice to be something in nothing. So that's why i anthropomorphize... bc there is a chance that our minds are what creates realities. In this case, god would always be surprised living through our creativity therefore will infinitely have things to do through our creativity.
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@EtrnlVw
If you propose many Sources, you have to explain where many come from.
I kinda do. I agree it can all come from a singular source. I just think that singular source is just at this point many. It can go backwards and become one again... but why? I'm using human emotions but to go backwards and just be one and infinite... and aware of that, seems frightening to me and i don't know why any ultimate intelligence would ever go back to being just one. Plus, it splitting up into many and infinitely moving forward that way makes more sense to me.. it makes sense of the chaos that way.
To link it to this question... it would also be more fun not being the ultimate controller and not infinitely alone. An incorporeal god consciousness can do that easily by not being one ever again. But maybe it's both one and many. There is no reason why it can't be something past my imagining.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I agree with Etrnl, on more than one thing... interesting question, and i do like his angle as well although i look at god more as a platform than a single thing... but then again, i don't see why it can't be a single thing either... i simply don't know.But what does God do? Just observe? What is written?
But to your question, the way i like to look at this is more anthropomorphic. Imagine in a million years humans learn everything about the human body. To the point we can create a human from scratch. In this world, we would also likely have learned how to create a brain and maintain our own. Therefore, let's just take a leap and say we figure out how to download, upload, maintain... everything with our own brains. Effectively, that would make us not only immortal (to the extend our universe allows), but also god-like in that we can create any "simulation" we can think of.
Imagine you lived in this world. You are immortal, but also have the power to do any simulation you want. What would you do? I'd like to generalize that everyone will just continue to live experiences, but interestingly, i image an immortal would go backwards. An immortal would like to live finite experiences only bc of fun. You can have one experience, die, then have another.
I don't think it would be much different for a god in this way.
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@Alec
1) Guns. (Don't touch them).
2) Living wage... just fixing the fact that we are currently wage slaves. Any human that decides to work should at the very least be able to afford their own life.
3) Money out of politics... Seeing that humans are greedy and self-interested... this temptation is a no-no. With that said, i think this will work itself out eventually once the millennials and younger become older. I think things like Youtube and other social sites will start taking over in how we find people we want. Right now, since mostly older people vote... it's still legacy media that runs things. Eventually that will naturally die out... but getting it faster would be better for everyone. There will still be corruption, but taking steps towards minimizing it should be important.
4) Medical. Medical bills shouldn't bankrupt people. I think runaway capitalism is hitting this market the hardest. Since it's something we have to have... we shouldn't be taken for every penny. How to fix this... i don't know. I tend to think just go for medicare for all and work backwards from there. ***you can add college/uni debt under this one. I feel the same towards both. Although i don't think university should be free. We just need more educated people, so at least get college free so a person can learn a little more past high school and also decide if they want to go that route and dedicate to a higher education. But higher education should also be in proportion... there shouldn't be people paying their tuition with their social security... that's just ridiculous.
5) Is my little thing... more freedom. Legalize all drugs/prostitution and some other non-violent things called "crime" ... if someone wants to make a living off selling their body, it's their right. If they want to die off heroin... it's their right.
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@RationalMadman
Nm... i guess they are considered more of a rock band.
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@RationalMadman
I think Ghost would be considered one of the top punk rock type bands of the decade.
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@ethang5
Russian roulette?
Interesting interpretation but no. That one was about killing "her" so we can be together forever in death lol. **First verse is about killing myself after i killed her... but i did it backwards story. Conclusion being the end.
In the "see something/say something" culture of today, someone would have flagged you as a potential school shooter.
Seriously. I use to post these to yahoo answer poem section all the time too. And these are some of the less gory ones. Interestingly, when i was younger i was sorta religious but for the wrong reasons. I believed in religion but i thought i was a demon or even maybe the devil here to be tormented. I had un-diagnosed depression and escaping to dark things felt better. Thankfully, i was releasing in a more creative way. I remember two kids on my street bully me by throwing balls at my window when i was in middle school. I went outside with two huge knives in rage... they never did that again (ran pretty fast). A neighbor stopped me too, thank god for her. I was pretty nuts. I thought it was cool bc it made me one of the popular kids. This is when Marilyn Manson was cool though... today, yeah... FBI. lol
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@ethang5
It was when i was pretty crazy dark and border line romantically homicidal/suicidal. I'm scared of younger me sometimes.
A silhouette merely a shadow
The stars don’t align in favor
Standing next to me as a savior
A loaded gun, click click fire.
Now we glance at the stars
Constellations caught in gaze
Fire ablaze in your cold dark eyes
A rhyme reels at your wake.
Never to be taken apart
A picture of a smile in this dark art
Painted by Ares with Aphrodite’s love.
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@ethang5
Anywhere from 18 to 24... i can't remember when i started writing.
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@ethang5
Oh moon lit night
talk to me
as I hear the chimes
through every leaf
I plead to thee
softly
quietly
please
talk to me
tell me what I need to be.
In this night
the only one that speaks
is my darkened soul
along side of me
my shadow
which I know will sleep
when only silence
stay’s beneath.
Forever
eventually.
I sit alone in my room tonight
one thought in mind
what is sanity if not insanity
for the plain walls talk.
They turn into many colors I see
in my most vivid and lucid dreams
whispers of times in the past
levitation above the clouds at last
I am free.
Then comes the stains of black
devouring all the dreams I’ve had
showing nothing lasts.
As I come back to reality, my eyelids up
it becomes clear like an angel’s heart
the shade of color that owns my soul
is an illusion of the art that is this world.
These are literally the first five i ever wrote. Shows you how i was feeling as a teen lol.
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@ethang5
Are you one of those authors that hate having to tell readers what your poems mean?
Well i don't hate it but most of the time when i wrote it was more off of how i was feeling rather than having a specific meaning (sometimes just starting with a word and flowing). I enjoyed hearing others tell me what they thought it meant more than what i would have thought it meant. Plus, writing with a specific meaning behind it could take away from creativity.. at least it did for me so i would just write and rearranged draft after draft. Especially for ones i had to count syllables.. it was especially hard to think of meaning bc you had to look up words.
For example... the color poem i wrote had no meaning behind it, just how the words made me feel... and flow from there. Now that i read it... it has an interesting 'reality' meaning to me. And, the rose one i wrote was after an Anime where a main character i liked died and a rose fell... it made me sad and i related so i wrote that. Really not much specific meaning behind both.
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@drafterman
I don't really. Actually the full story to the situation i explained i actually concluded as likely a fraud. But i simply don't know. All i can do is look at all the evidence weak and strong and come to a personal conclusion which ends up being speculation when i go into the transcendence realm. I've concluded it's strong enough for me to say i don't know.So how did you rule out plain, simple coincidence?
But to answer your question specifically... i think if there are multiple coincidences in an experience, there is a stronger case for woo. Like the hypothetical i painted above for Lud... but even then, someone like a psychic that is in the business of "guessing" could win the coincidence lottery. There are many depths to this, and many angles one has to look into. I've just concluded i'm not all in with my chips either way.
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@ludofl3x
This wasn't my experience so i don't want to fully defend it... but the person told me they hallucinated this and have never met this specific person (so it's close to my hypothetical). I simply found it interesting. But, my point is there are millions of experiences out there and some of them are that specific. Only "one" needs to be true. Probability wise i think that's pretty crazy, personally. I don't ignore "spiritual" possibilities just bc i don't like religion... not saying you do, seems some people do.Okay, but this is not what you described:
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@ludofl3x
No it doesn't... or it might? I don't know. How would i know if he is real or not. That is moot and i'm not trying to go there. But if i did hallucinate captain America, and he told me a specific person is going to die at a specific time at a specific place and i've never met this person or seen them... and it happens, it would be pretty significant in my opinion. The only problem is that it would only be known by me that it happened.If you hallucinated Captain America, that doesn't mean he's real.
No i'm not. Those are all strong evidence bc it is stuff we can see and know. I went as far as saying anecdotal is weak evidence; calling brain death strong in my initial comment. I'm largely agnostic... but, like i mentioned with all that said, probably wise... i think anecdotes are evidence and i simply heed their possibility. Of course not all experience like you said, Jesus in a toast bread or something, but my point is only "one" experience, if actually happened in a transcendent, spiritual, or whatever way... that is pretty significant. I'm simply not ignoring this possibility among the others.But aren't you ignoring all the ones we know happen all the time, like faulty memory
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@drafterman
Random chance, faulty memory, meaningless... you are making a lot of claims here and simply ignoring that one possibility could be meaningful.I do. Given the billions of people on the planet, a significant percentage of them will have an experience like yours that is, nevertheless, meaningless. That two events in your life happened to seem to be correlated is a product of random chance (or otherwise faulty memory).
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@drafterman
They're evidence yes, evidence of a dying brain going berserk.
There are many situations where a dying brain transcends this berserk phase; for example our minds being part of a bigger mind, etc. So, just bc what we see directly doesn't mean we got it down. The evidence we have is what we see currently, and currently... i think humans aren't very advanced. With that said, it is pretty strong evidence so i agree with you it should be heeded.
With that said, there is a lot of evidence of some kind of transcendence or reality beyond what we see. Since this evidence is elusive and very anecdotal... it isn't as strong as something we can physically see. But Etrnl is right in that this evidence should also be heeded. Just bc it is anecdotal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've had experiences myself but i will tell you one someone else told me.
Example experience: I was working and all the sudden i hallucinated. I hallucinated a coworker talk to me and tell me "we could have been good friends" (with a somber tone). I felt a great connection with him in that moment but also a lot of sadness. An hour later the company announced this specific coworker, an hour ago, was in a car accident and died. This person told me they never hallucinate and this scared the crap out of him. ***forgot to add they've never met this specific coworker either.
Now, even me... i don't know if i believe him. It's hard to bc it didn't happen to me. I can also just say it was a coincidence and write it off. But there are thousands, if not millions, of similar or different level experiences. All throughout history. So, i take this as a probability type situation. And if you look at it that way... considering out of the millions of experiences only "one" needs to have happened in a transcendent type of way... i would say at the very least, anecdotal evidence should be heeded.
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@ethang5
Thanks for the compliments. I'll see if i have any other ones. They are all from when i was younger so i have to ignore a lot of the angsty ones lol.Hi! Hope you get your issues sorted. The board is always better with you actively on it. Don't hesitate to post another poem if you have it.
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@ebuc
I agree. I saw him on Joe Rogan's podcast. I'm over putting tape on my computer tho... if people want to watch me jack off... they are more than welcome to lol.He is a whistle blower and should be protected.
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@ethang5
Thanks Ehan! I use to be that kinda of 'angsty' teen... ;p Good to see you are back active on the site. I've been gone for a bit dealing with a bunch of stuff and also teaching myself a couple new skills. But have some downtime at work so i thought i'd come out of hiding a little bit today and say hi.
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@Dynasty
If they are dumb is then the other extreme foolish.
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@BrotherDThomas
The Bible is all crap... "to me" ... i'm more of a joke. I like that the world and reality is a joke. It's more beautiful that way. So just remember if you have someone laughing at you... don't be offended... they may be like me.
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@zedvictor4
"just the same as any other functional process."
You say this so freely... same as "any function" ... so beautiful although that beauty has an extreme which is ugly on either end.
Human psychology is interesting to say it mildly but that's a digress. To me it's more amazing that it exists. Adding infinitely to that interest that an incorporeal word "god" exists as well. It's almost ironic.
As for a god. Only a god could reconcile the god issue. Until one does the debate will carry on.
Who cares about the debate... really who cares about the "god" platform. If you understand an infinite possibility... whatever you call "you" is most important to that platform... whether spiritual or not that's even true. I'm just sad people are giving boundaries to these possibilities.
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@Reece101
define suffering
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@Reece101
Most people who call themselves Christian do it solely for the community. That goes for many other “religious people” as well. Not much thought has to go into it. It’s could blind faith.
To call things "Christian" or that you have the "truth" is already delusion and ego bc you think you know better than "GOD" ... the creator of everything. Bc guess what.. i find beauty in suffering. And god created me too. You just have to deal with it.
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What does the world want me to be? What do you want me to be? I will be your puppet as long as you're my joke.
"He will always be my favorite villain bc he gets the joke"
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@Athias
And what about the content you've read in textbooks, or read in papers? What about Da Vinci's notebooks? Would consider their being texts as diminishing to their effect as evidence?
I don't understand what you are asking me here bc there are many different types of text. I personally suspect all comic book characters are possible in some possible reality/world. I'm a fictional realist in that regard, but don't take that as an absolute... i'm largely agnostic bc i don't know anything for sure. So, sure... i can judge the contents of any text... some texts are just reality based therefore they give reality facts, conclusions, opinions, etc. It's all a work in progress, but as you can see... it gets really complicated if we start saying what about this text or this text... there's a lot. In regards to the Bible... let's just say the reality it portrays is at odds with who i am. But there are things in the text that are profound... like the parable of talents... that had a profound effect on my life when i read it. But just bc it helped me and let's say touched my "soul" in that moment... it gives no credit to the Bible being evidence of that particular god.
I know. "As far as I know" still suggests that you know something, it's particular extent notwithstanding. So, as far as you know, how do you know?
I told you the reasons in my last reply. Personal experience and not being able to repeat it, human nature, power, greed, psychology, some religions like Christians would like nothing more than to have proof to shut everyone up, etc... Factoring all of these scenarios and still seeing nothing i think is pretty damning evidence of no evidence of a particular god.
Gauging your response, I presume your reasoning does follow epistemological form. It's just your conclusion ("there's no evidence") is at odds with it.
That is not my conclusion. I personally think there is evidence. The way i phrase it is "there is sufficient evidence to at the very least suspect and/or take spirituality serious." Of course i have to define a lot there... but, i think there is evidence but i think it's only weak evidence as Etrnl points out. So anecdotal/personal experiences. For the reasons above, i don't think there is hard evidences which basically means proof of a "particular god." I said i'm on your side with the evidence claim Press made... the only thing i agree with press is the "proof of a particular god" part.
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@Athias
Why does its being "man-made" as you put it disqualify it as evidence?
Well, it depends on what we are saying it stands as evidence for. It doesn't disqualify as a possibility. Everything we have ever imagined could be real in some possible world. I just don't think the text is evidence enough for me to say, become Christian and abandon what i believe.
And how do you know this?
I purposefully said as far as i know. There could be some monk out there that somehow can repeat his beliefs but just doesn't have the desire to show the world or a psychic that is making millions and doesn't want the world to know about him/her; those could be scenarios. But as far as i know, it doesn't seem to be repeatable with our present day knowledge simply, bc if it were... i think we would have all heard about it by now. Minus things like conspiracies to withhold this information or fringe people with no desire to share... i would say there is no repeatable evidence the rest can show. I would add that bc i have experienced stuff and know i can't repeat it... that would also be a reason i suspect this, but i can't generalize with my experience vs. others... maybe they can. But that is sorta another reason i don't think it's repeatable. We can also add other things to this like human nature and a thirst for power. I would say all combined, i'm pretty confident there isn't repeatable evidence for "a particular deity."
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The reason theists use deist arguments is because there is no evidence (outside of holy texts) of the existence of their particular god.
You know there's no evidence? How? Please elaborate.
You're handling this quite well, i hope you two continue this evidence topic in this thread.
My two cents... they do not have any hard evidence that would convince everyone, to date. Is there this evidence? Will there be this evidence? I don't know. If we are going off their holy text... i basically throw that out as evidence bc it's clearly man made. But once we get into subjective evidence, being someone that has witnessed some profound unexplained phenomena, i can't rule out that they may have witnessed something too. However, that evidence can easily be misinterpreted bc as far as i know... it's not repeatable. And, it's very easy for one to correlate these events with ones faith; confirmation bias. I personally would say there is evidence of "something." But going as far as saying it is of any one particular god... i agree with Press that there isn't evidence of that in particular. Simply bc it would contradict a hindu that see's Vishnu or a Christian that witnesses god... maybe it was both the same god, but how can we know which one? I agree with you that he should back up that there is no evidence, but i am on his side that (even though i think there is evidence) it doesn't point to anything other than the unexplained.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Here's the problem. The only way you could determine if "The Bible" is "objectively better" than any other moral system would be if you, yourself were an objective being, capable of making objective statements. Humans are inherently SUBJECTIVE (sample biased).
Well said.
I would also argue that the moral foundation of the Bible is objectively better than any other moral system, whether religious or secular.
I vehemently disagree... I think the morality found in any Abrahamic religion is backwards, ignorant, bigoted, and gross. And to think, the morality argument is your favorite...
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@janesix
Did you know about Chakra's before you saw these colors? Bc i've seen what i can only describe as an aura of blue around my cousin and green around myself one time in my life before i even knew what an aura is. It was pretty crazy. The best i can describe it is it looked like an LED light that traveled around his body in a second and disappeared. Then, i was really confused and thought i was losing my mind so i went home and threw water on my face... when i looked at myself in the mirror ... same thing but green went around me. I later found out that is what people call an aura. But i've never seen it again.I have seen brilliant blue for the throat chakra, and brilliant green for the heart chakra. The root chakra is a dull red.
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@TheRealNihilist
Yeah, i only looked at the charts to see how it compares with Geforce. I already knew it's probably not as good. There are other charts i didn't have time to look at and don't right now bc i'm at work. If you look up my card and press images, there seems to be a few comparison charts. But i'm not too worried. I like playing my FPS games on my computer since i like a big screen. But who knows in the future... it's not too expensive to upgrade if i need to. I was just glad to see mine was at the top out of its own brand.Wha?
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Not really, who knows what i will use it with in the future. I'm just talking about near future stuff and possibilities... but if i do run a more commanding game, you helped. I already know Nividia products are way better than my graphics card... this is what i found:I have done this for naught. I am annoyed. Goodbye.
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@TheRealNihilist
If i did play games on it i would play League or hearthstone.Guess I can't really say it is useful or not.
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