Pinkfreud08

Alright, so you're going to completely ignore the gaping hole in your entire moral system. 

Hypothetical scenarios are actually ways to test a moral system's accuracy. 

And very obviously given you've resorted to ignoring my entire scenario, this tells me your moral system is logically inconsistent and should be cast aside. 

Well even if we interpret the joke as true, it's irrelevant to the topic. 

After all the topic is whether or not girls should be allowed to join boy scouts, not whether or not girl scouts is superior to boy scouts or vice versa.

That's irrelevant, this is a hypothetical scenario. 

That is the topic. You're claiming that abortion is wrong because it's killing another being, I asked what's your trait that defines what you'd morally consider as a life, you state conception, I counter by stating that plants aren't sentient nor intelligent but are conceptualized, you state that you don't value them because they aren't human. 

HEAVILY implying that DNA structure is your defining trait and not conception. 

I countered by giving you hypothetical scenarios that highlight the errors in your moral system and am waiting for a response. 

Because that's what you're heavily implying. 

I mean were you actually serious in your argument? Because I took it as a joke. 

Alright, so it seems your value on life is DNA structure. 

Ok so hypothetically you'd be willing to justify the genocide of an alien species that were intelligent, sentient, had language and had the same societal norms as us. 

Not to mention this would also mean that any other alien species could wipe us out and in your morality, it'd be justified since we're of different DNA structure. 

This is not an argument. 

The BSA has already changed its name to scouts of America. Or are at bear minimum transitioning into that name. 

The latest uniforms I've seen from our sister troop 22 has had scouts of America on their uniforms rather than girl scouts or boy scouts. 

Aright perfect a disagreement! 

Would you be interested in having a debate because I started this forum to find a decent opponent to debate this topic with? 

Someone who wouldn't just forfeit the entire debate as I've had a lot of those recently. 

If you decline that's perfectly fine and I'll just simply respond to your comment here. 

If you agree to the debate PM me so we can discuss the rules, title, ETC. 

Alright so if that's the perimeter at which you value life than you'd have to value plants as they're conceptualized. Same with animals and dead bodies. 

This is obviously extremely logically inconsistent. 

Unless you're implying you only eat dead plants/animals and you are an advocate for dead bodies rights. 

Even before the baby is sentient nor intelligent in any way? Ok so than what's the trait at which you value life? 

Ok please elaborate

One is a human right,  the other is a legal right. If you honestly believe that guns are a human right than everyonw regardless of mental health should be allowed to own a gun. They aren't comparable. 

But again you're creating a false equivalence. A persons human rights to their body is different from a persons right to guns. 

Care to elaborate?

Women having a right to an abortion which before 6 months before the baby is sentient is their body is different from a person owning a gun which isn't their own body.

This is a false equivalence fallacy.

I'm pro gun don't get me wrong however this is a very weak argument.

Please like me

1. Futurama 

2. Avatar The Last Airbender ( legend of Korra sucked ) 

3. Regular Show 

4. Total Drama Island ( season 1 was fantastic, 2 was good, and 3 was amazing ) 

5. Fairy odd parents 

Notes: Since you specifically stated that anime aside of pokemon isn't allowed my list isn't that accurate. 

Also, this list is on pure enjoyment alone and not on objective best shows. 

I dumped him over the phone precisely at 4:26 

This is a summary of how the call went and why I decided to break up over the phone and not in person nor over text. 

1. Knowing his history, he'd probably get physical with me and possibly try to kill me. 

And talking to my parents, they didn't feel comfortable with that and thought it'd be best if I did it over the phone. 

2. Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it. 

I mean honestly why should I do it in person when he has no regards for my happiness whatsoever. 

These are just the two major reasons why I decided to do it over the phone as opposed to any of the other options you all proposed. Thanks by the way for the suggestions, I did defiantly think about them for a while. 

Anyways here's a summary of how it went. Also sorry if it appears I get a bit overdramatic. I spend most of my time indoors so I tend to view everything as one giant movie or story. 

- I was on my computer after putting it off for a while so I decided to do it right then and there 

- I called him and he picked up after 5 seconds

- I say hi and ask where he is at and if it's a good time to talk. ( this is unrelated but one time I was pissed off about some french revolution thing and called him while he was in the middle of a therapy session, I have no idea why he didn't just tell me it was a bad time or just not answer it but whatever sorry for going off-topic ) 

- I pause for a good 10 seconds mustering up the courage to finally say it and I state that as of now our relationship is over. 

- He replies with a rather sarcastic " good " 

- I tell him I will, however, tell him why I must do this and I start listing off the reasons. 

- During of which he was trying to interrupt me ( I have no idea what he was trying to say but my guess is that he was just stating he didn't want to talk to me or something ) 

These are the reasons I give him, 

Then my parents took me out for dinner and they told me how proud they were that I stuck up for myself and that they're glad he's gone. ( Originally when we first got together and before nobody knew what a jackass he was, my dad warned me that the relationship isn't going to end well ) 

Anyways I'm tapped out now and I apologize that I got a bit dramatic in the story however after hearing your guy's advice I realized how good of a community this website truly is that despite the vast amount of arguing on the site, political differences, and the nature of this site being debating, I was truly happy that the community came together to help someone in their time of need. 

I'd like to thank you all for the support and advice. 

As for me the weekend is over and I return to school, I'll post an update either Monday or Tuesday confirming that I'm still, in fact, alive and well and that he didn't kill me. 

Don't get me wrong some of this stuff isn't abusive worthy. 

IE him cursing me out or him trying to justify his obviously unjustifiable actions. 

I merely included them in there to showcase that he'll always find a way to play the victim card, regardless of how wrong or nonsensical it's. 

And also to highlight how immature and bad of a person he is. 

Neither appeal to me, I'm more of an oddball devoid from any major cliques. 

So one more thing I feel I need to add that is pretty important as this was the exact moment I knew for a fact I was in the right and my boyfriend was in the wrong and I need to break up with him. 

So I have a friend who we're just going to call K as I'm pretty sure she'd want to be anonymous. 

So K is the nicest person you'll ever meet. 

To the point where she's one of those girls who'd let a homeless person into their house, give him food and shelter, and get to know them for a week or two. 

That nice. 

Well, she's friends with me and Jordan, in fact she's the first person to find out about our relationship. 

Even before either or our parents or close friends. 

Well she witnessed one argument Jordan had with me in which he made fun of me to her and another one of his friends and called me clingy and than took K and his friend away. Leaving me alone at lunch. 

Suffice it to say, I was rather depressed at lunch and was wondering what I did wrong as I'm the type of person to blame myself before I blame anyone. Even if it really had nothing to do with me. 

However later that night, she texted me that she felt my BF shouldn't talk to me that way and he's toxic. 

This may sound very cliche, however, that's the moment I knew I was in the right and my boyfriend was in the wrong. 

It was as if justice was on my side. 

I'm not religious or anything ( in fact I'm a huge athiest)  however I am a bit spiritual when it comes to nature as I do meditation weekly. 

But I felt as if there was some virtuous force on my side. 

That was the exact moment I knew, I needed to get out before it was too late. 

Looking back, it was probably the greatest moment of my life, I've never been that happy before. 

Aright hello everyone. 

I don't know how to word this properly so I'll just jump straight into it. 

I'm in an abusive relationship with my boyfriend. 

To dive into headfirst I'll list off abusive things he's done to me over the year our relationship has lasted. 

- Had punched me several times 

- Kicked me in the balls 

- Been hyper passive-aggressive with me on boy scout campouts and around mine/his friends 

- At summer camp he kicked a bucket of water outside our tent ( in case of a forest fire ) for no reason 

- Than when I told my dad who was the scoutmaster that he did so, he shunned me for an entire week at summer camp because he was " innocent " 

Even though he was the ONLY person outside of our tent at the time, was angry at me for the whole day just because I was spending time with another friend for a few hours, and was near our tent whispering me and my tent mates names 2 seconds before the water was kicked onto our tent. 

- Has talked shit about me for the entirety of summer camp to the younger scouts 

- Numerous instances of him flipping me off and cursing me out for no reason 

- Damaging several of my possessions on purpose 

- And grabbed me and slammed me onto the ground 

- Has sweared out a merit badge counselor at summer camp 

- Has threatened his little sister ( in front of me ) 

- Has sworn out his mom, dad, older sister ( whom by the way was giving him rides home from school ), and his younger sister 

- Was 20 minutes late when we were supposed to pick him up for summer camp, and than later on when my dad was discussing it with him tried to justify it. ( my dad called him out which was satisfying to watch ) 

I'm sorry if this seems very arbitrary or unorganized but I just needed to get this out there because I just need support right now 

Because I don't have many friends aside from a few close ones and I want to keep my sexuality a secret there are very few people I can talk to. 

I've talked to a few close friends about this, my parents, and my sister and they all clearly stated that I need to dump him. 

I've tried my damned hardest to be a good boyfriend to him. 

Me and my dad has given him rides to boy scout meetings, helped with his rank advancement, and payed for several of his meals on campouts or hikes. 

I've bought him numerous gifts 

6th month to the 10th month of our relationship I was very distant towards him. To the point where we have a 6th month period with no dates. 

So I tried my damned hardest to spend time with him at school and go on dates with him. 

He than called me clingy and that I was smothering him. 

Nothing made him happy, if I didn't spend enough time with him I was distant and if I did I was clingy. 

One time I was at his house playing smash brothers for 5 hours since people were looking at our house ( it was for sale ) 

He was angry because I wasn't spending time with him enough. 

When firstly before I got on I asked what he wanted to do like if he wanted to watch a movie or play a game together and he would just reply that he didn't know. And secondly, I invited him 5 times if he wanted to play with me. 

Essentially He wanted me to just be miserable for 5 hours simply because he didn't like to smash brothers. 

He is quite simply poor at communication. 

If he had just asked if I could get off and do something with him and named a specific activity I would've done it. Even then I still asked him several times what he wanted to do and he wouldn't give me a straight answer. 

And then one fucking time this little gem fucking happened. 

So like I stated earlier, he was HYPER passive aggressive with me for an entire camping week IN FRONT OF ADULTS AND OTHER SCOUTS. 

For example at one point during Uno, everyone was ganging up on me ( because I had the best card deck ) and he made fun of the fact I lost the entire night. 

Or another time on the trip when I was getting excited while playing smash brothers ( two kids on the trip brought their Nintendo switches and I'd charge them up in the mess hall during the day ) and he'd then say things like " oh what a nerd " or " no wonder you don't have many friends at school and this is why I don't want you to hang around my friends " 

Then when we get back I sent him a message over text that I loved him and all but I needed him to stop being hyper passive-aggressive with me. And that it was annoying and rude. 

Well, he was angry with me the entire week and unfollowed me on Instagram. 

Essentially because he completely took EVERYTHING out of context and fucking ignored EVERYTHING I laid out to him and ONLY took out the part where I called the behavior rude and annoying. 

It was right then and there, I realized he was never going to change. 

Overall I've recognized that my boyfriend is a piece of shit and I need to cut ties with him. So I've decided to break up with him sometime next week over the phone. 

You may say that I should do it in person however firstly, given how he's an abuser he quite frankly doesn't deserve it and secondly given his track record he'd probably punch me in the face if I broke up with him in person. 

Sorry, I ranted for too long, I just wanted to get this out there for anyone else who's in a relationship similar to this and also because I just need some support right now. 

All I want is to be happy. 

- Pinkfreud08 

P.S If I'm not online for over a month because I died, my boyfriend probably killed me. 

Oh my bad

Hey type1

If it's you, I can't wait to see how it plays out 

Damn, that's a pretty fitting avatar. 

Like wow, it's so fucking accurate. 

You never cease to amaze me. 

Now you gotta find a new adversary. 

lol

I'm not that skilled at debating on this site to be perfectly honest, I still have a lot to learn. At least compared to powerhouses such as Ramshutu, Ragnar, and especially you. 

Considering this website is extremely young and RM has been on the site for a long time, I assume this to be the case. 

Although I'd have to ask you if you're huge on the free market than why're you trying to restrict it? 

And what was the point of the synopsis if it wasn't being used to poke fun at my comment? After all orange man bad is a common joke amongst conservatives since it's poking fun at trendy hipsters hating on Trump for no reason. 

As a more economic nationalist myself I would have to agree. 

Even as a socialist I still consider myself against a federal minimum wage as I believe a minimum wage would best be negotiated by unions as seen in the Scandinavian model. 

"I hate to see you go, but I love to watch you leave"

Minimum wage does protect against mass immigration since a key reason why mass immigrants come is that if there's no minimum wage they'll come in and take native worker's jobs for a lower salary. Thus destroying the native wages.

For someone who is a conservative who's an economic nationalist, you should be pro minimum wage as it protects the native workforce.

If you want a more in dept analysis of this concept by chance I've explained it poorly, here's a good article done on the matter.

Even when I used to be a trendy anti-SJW conservative in middle school I still hated him as a person and I hated a lot of his policies.  

Nowadays I hate him as a person and I hate his policies so overall to me he's a bad choice. 

If I had a choice, it'd be Sanders. 

However reality is often disappointing and either Biden or Trump will win. 

Out of the two, I'd like Biden better. 

He's still a shit choice but Trump is 100 times worse. 

I have no idea where this is coming from, all I did was ask for you to calm down when you were lobbing tons of insults and excessively swearing randomly.

I mean I don't see you complaining about numerous instances of police brutality and shootings that are fueled by racial bias's on the alt right.

Not making fun of anyone else or trying to be rude or anything. But am I the only DART member not interested into rap?

This is pretty accurate

Probably an abstainer, more likely than not I'd just die if I walked outside anyways.

Calm down

Who's Bruce? 

Honestly, all of those Scandinavian European countries appeal to me. 

I have so many choices. 

Ultimately if I do move I'll end up going with Germany since I plan on taking German at community college. 

wow, I'm impressed. 

This discussion with you and RM reminds me of Idubbz content cop of leafy where Idubbz basically roasted the shit out of leafy and exposed him for being a shallow unfunny insecure idiot. 

Than leafy/RM makes a shallow and insecure response that ignores Idubbz's main arguments.

It's a bit sad that honestly, you wasted your time, RM is going to continue doing this endless cycle of leaving the site, coming back, and proclaiming himself to be a genius ( even though he isn't ). 

Pretty much, there's a reason it's ranked as the top country in the world as of 2019 on the US News rankings. 

I consider Switzerland to be the best country in the world right now. 

In fact, I've been considering moving to either Switzerland or Germany as I consider them to be the top two countries and better than the United States.

The United States is still a great country and makes my top 5 list at number 5. 

Exactly