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@Snoopy
Sorry, I tried to see if I can post a link to a google search containing the picture but it didn't work.
I apologize however anyone reading this will just have to scroll down and find it.
It's the 6th photo down.
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@Greyparrot
Summary: The United States isn't leading in innovation due to it being privatized. It's only because of population sizes since when you take this into account, the United States historically hasn't been leading. However, coincidently it's now leading once more socialized medicine programs such as Obama care and Medicaid are introduced.
This data provides us insight that socialized healthcare doesn't halt innovation when the United States once introducing welfare programs is now slightly leading but historically hasn't been leading until recently.
I've now provided to you two full examples of socialized programs, not disincentivizing innovation.
Source: https://askepticalhuman.com/politics/2018/9/24/debunking-republican-healthcare-myths-us-innovation-amp-subsidizing-others
That's a pretty powerful "anecdote."
You've cherry-picked out one country of many that haven't resisted foreign aid. Yet completely ignored the entire lists of countries that haven't resisted foreign aid.
So no this isn't a powerful anecdote, especially when you consider that Venezuela is one of the most closed-off countries in the world.
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@Greyparrot
Those links do not address the give a fish/teach to fish problem.
These countries are developing and working on it. However, I fail to see where this gets rid of incentivization.
Can you provide me examples of charities stopping countries from developing on their own? Believe it or not, these countries run by warlords want to be self-sufficient and not live off of welfare for their entire life. Let's compare this to the welfare system in the United States since by your logic, welfare should disincentivize people from working.
According to this source ever since welfare programs in the United States increased, poverty has steadily declined massively.
By your logic, the poverty rates should be increased due to the amount of government assistance which simply isn't true.
Not to mention later on in the article it points out that in 2016 only 10 - 20 Percent of people on welfare were frauds.
This is a decent chunk however you're really going to let the 80 % suffer because a chunk of people cheat the system?
Not to mention a lot of the charities I've cited don't just donate water, food, or housing.
A lot of the organizations I listed such as charity water and water.org actually go out and give education on ways to catch water, provide them pumps and wells, and how to make their own rain catchers.
There are also plenty of other charities that build schools and provide education to less fortunate people in poorer 3rd world countries.
So actually yes this is solving the problem you're bringing up because I agree I do believe we need to provide them education and assistance and not just hand them food.
The steps we ought to take is to provide them food, water, and housing and then provide them education.
This way they have everything they need to survive but aren't reliant on us.
Sending aid isn't nearly as important to the well being of the people than solving the internal problems of the country, which in many cases is hampered by aid as it keeps the people from having an incentive to invest in their local nation.
No citation to back itself up. I previously provided welfare statistics so this time I'll provide healthcare statistics.
Statistically, the United States currently is leading in innovation technically.
However, if you actually think about it, the innovation data doesn't include the size of the countries as the United States is one of the largest countries in the world with a higher population than most developed nations with socialized healthcare. IE Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, and Switzerland.
Once you take into account innovation per capita and population size and do calculations on the data, you'll find out that the United States when keeping in mind population, doesn't lead in innovation.
The article I'll provide a link to is very long and full of fluff so I'll make it easier on you and quote the important part where he/she breaks it down.
Here's what I did to provide us with data on this question that's actually informative: Using statistics provided by Data.WorldBank.org, I totaled up the GDP and the populations for these countries, calculated each country's respective percentages in these two areas, and I then compared these percentages against the percent of new drugs produced in each country.
- Picture of the data table
Here's how to interpret this data: Basically, if the percentage of NCEs produced is higher than that country's GDP and population percentage, they can be classified as more innovative, because they're producing a larger share of new pharmaceuticals, per capita; conversely, if the NCE percentages—the numbers in blue—are lower than the GDP and population percentage, then we can classify the country as less innovative, because that country is producing fewer new pharmaceuticals, per capita.
- How to interpret it.
Let's first look at the United States. As we can see, in 1980, 90, and 2000, the United States' share of NCEs produced was actually substantially lower than both its share of GDP and population: about 12%, 11%, and 6% lower, respectively. So historically, the United States has actually been underperforming in terms of pharmaceutical innovation!Only by the year 2010 did the United States' NCE percentage surpass both the GDP and population by about 9%. So Crowder is actually presenting us with an inverted and misleading interpretation of this data: What's portrayed as U.S. dominance is actually the United States struggling to catch up with these other countries—only in the most recent years slightly surpassing them!Let's now take a look at the average of these other five countries: In 1980, 90, and 2000, the percent of NCEs produced was higher than both the GDP and population percentages. That is to say, these countries have been more innovative, historically, than the United States. Even in the year 2010, the percent of NCEs produced still matches up with their percent of the GDP and population, so these countries have been doing—and continue to do—just fine in terms of pharmaceutical innovation. Any argument that these countries aren't sufficiently contributing to this area, while the United States is picking up all the slack, is simply not in agreement with the data.
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@Greyparrot
I just edited my previous post and I'd ask you to read it.
I cite to you countless organizations who give help to these warlord owned countries that don't resist.
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@Greyparrot
This is an anecdotal claim, can you actually provide me studies or statistics done on the matter instead of one youtube video?
There are countless charities that aid these foreign countries that aren't killed.
Last I checked, I don't see these countries targeting these charity groups so why would they resist redistribution of food?
Even if you want to argue that there are several closed-off nations like North Korea and Venezuela which would resist. There are still countless countries that wouldn't resist as demonstrated by these organizations.
Why should we not help these nations who wouldn't resist our efforts?
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@Greyparrot
I mean what benefit do these warlords have for not having a fed population?
If anything this would aid them since this means they'd have stronger and more soldiers at their disposal.
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@dustryder
Took the words right out of my mouth
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Been a while since I did proper research on it, I think it had something to do with Jesus or God sentencing punishments with their left hands or something.
It's pretty arbitrary and dumb like most religious rules.
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@Dr.Franklin
Aright very obviously you're ignoring the entire definition.
I mean I even bolded the important phrases to keep a lookout for.
Since you obviously aren't listening to are arguments there is no use discussing this with you.
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@Dr.Franklin
- Omar.Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.Money is given to the government in the form of taxes which is distributed as they see fit. That is a socialist policy. Not a capitalist one.
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@Dr.Franklin
Please elaborate? How do these definitions not prove anything when the definition of socialism he used literally talked about the redistribution of wealth which are taxes?
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@Dr.Franklin
Omar showed you evidence through the definitions of capitalism and socialism and then gave reasoning as to how this connects to taxes.
Give us your reasons for your disagreement instead of just stating " WRONG "
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Doing research later in my life on this matter I found out that there is some religious hatred towards lefties for no reason.
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@Dr.Franklin
Not how this works, you made a claim against Omar and instead of giving any evidence nor reasoning all you said was
" WRONG "
I am not making a claim at all, at least yet. Therefore it's your job to back up the claim you've made against Omar.
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@Dr.Franklin
Regarding your argument with Omar concerning whether or not taxes are a socialistic policy.
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@Dr.Franklin
Care to explain why this is wrong?
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@Dr.Franklin
That's mostly because they all share the same views obviously. I don't see many conservatives debating each other either. It's mostly between a conservative or liberal.
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@Dr.Franklin
How do the top of the leaderboard refuse to debate? The top 5 are the most active members on this site for the most part.
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@Alec
I mean there are far more racist people in the country than just KKK members.
Not to mention this is ignoring another point against homeschools being homeschooled kids generally having a disadvantage socially which is a huge problem when a lot of careers are built on socializing.
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@Vader
RM is pissed off whenever someone even remotely opposes him and just went on an essay long tirade complaining about his haters/ people who troll him.
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@Mharman
Wasn't too big of a deal, I've heard way worse stories of the horrors of religion.
Compared to my story, I was very fortunate.
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@Speedrace
To be fair, there are pros and cons to both.
A lot of people who are very social in real life aren't tech-savvy and vice versa.
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@Speedrace
Homeschool can be done right, I mean if you count online schooling as homeschooling than I have no problem with that.
However, regardless of the fact still remains that kids who go to homeschool are more likely to have issues socializing with other people, and in a world where many careers are built on socializing, these kids are left at a disadvantage whether they have a bigot for a parent or not.
If the kids themselves have higher test scores overall, that's great however if they have bad socializing skills than it's counter productive.
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@Dr.Franklin
Perhaps, however as we see with the success of the PS4 and Switch, a good chunk of gamers are interested in varied exclusives that Nintendo and PlayStation typically offer.
Nintendo offers 2d platformers, 3d platformers, racing games, sports games, fighting games, and RPG's.
Playstation offers exclusive shooters, platformers, RPGs, JRPGS, Third-person shooters, story-driven games, and racing games.
Xbox which has the least variety with mostly offering nothing but shooters is having the worse off sales.
Granted there are other reasons that go into this however regardless there is something to be said with the fact that the two best selling consoles have the most variety and best of exclusives.
Granted you could make the argument that people play on PlayStation due to its 3rd party games however Nintendo still stands.
Especially when you consider that Nintendo's consoles sell primarily on exclusives for the most part.
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@Dr.Franklin
It's not a matter of stopping racism 100 %, it's a matter of reducing the odds of this occurring.
A kid who grows up with racist parents and a racist curriculum is definitely going to more likely than not a racist when he/she grows up.
A kid who grows up with racist parents and a nonracist curriculum may very well have a chance of becoming racist anyways. However, there is also a decent chance the kid will realize through learning about the horrors of racism in the world and being around other races and cultures that racism is a bad thing.
There have been studies I can link to you if you want that find that people who're exposed to a more diverse setting are less likely to be a bigot in the long run.
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@Dr.Franklin
You're acting as if this is a new thing.
This has always happened throughout history where kids are all obsessed with a certain game.
Minecraft, roblox, and COD come to mind instantly.
I could imagine in a few years or so the fortnite craze will end and the younger generation will move onto a new game.
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I don't support home schools.
My reasoning is that if you have racist, homophobic, or sexist parents you're going to be breeding more racist, homophobic, or sexist kids.
Granted there are racist and homophobic teachers however the chances of getting 100 % racist and sexist teachers is highly unlikely and under the public school system, it's held accountable by the public and not a dictatorship.
There are other reasons such as the lack of social skills and lack of classes available however this is my biggest issue with homeschooling.
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@Dr.Franklin
This is why under a more socialized system with universal basic income, socialized healthcare, socialized education, and redistribution of resources would be an ideal solution to the rise of AI intelligence to ensure those whose jobs are taken still have the means to survive.
Under a pure capitalistic system anyone who's job is taken is essentially sentenced to death.
This is exactly why a social democracy is a better and more realistic form of economics than a pure capitalist society.
Even if you argue that robots taking over society is bad regardless, well under a more socialized system the government could simply stop innovating when it comes to AI intelligence.
Granted this is bad since AI intelligence would be very beneficial but still whichever way you twist it, capitalism is outdated and needs to be replaced.
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@Club
Haven't decided yet, already got a 5 page research speech for my debate class.
Sometime this week I'll get to it, my apologies I've just been busy.
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@Mharman
Soon, bit busier than expected and my PC is busted, a friend is installing me a new graphics card and power supply today.
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I also miss dsjpk, he and backwardseden were hilarious.
dsjpk5 is actually where I got inspiration for my voting style funnily enough.
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@WaterPhoenix
Please read the post where I detailed sign ups
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No, this is where you're wrong. It was your irresponsibility and incapacity to convey a joke that led to me taking literally what you meant as a joke. You're also deluded in thinking that Ramshutu was joking about paying you to write my page, he genuinely wants to humiliate me that much. He is deadly serious about writing my page, you're the one in the dark clearly.I didn't disrespect you by blocking you, I respected that you can upset me and reduce the quality of my enjoyment of the website. You already sicken me with how you climb the forum leaderboard almost solely on tactical spam (this thread) and non-tactical spam (the REEE thread). I have a lot of reasons to block you and you replying that mocking and disrespectful to me, even if it was meant as a joke, shows how little regard you have for me or my wishes.
No, this is where you're wrong. It was your irresponsibility and incapacity to convey a joke that led to me taking literally what you meant as a joke.
I literally clarified afterward that I was joking, and during the joke itself I literally stated " lol "
If I was serious I would've told you it wasn't a joke and I wouldn't have laughed afterward.
You're also deluded in thinking that Ramshutu was joking about paying you to write my page, he genuinely wants to humiliate me that much.
Ok, what reason does he have to do this? My problem is you're acting like everyone is out to get you when it makes zero sense, ramshutus recent post on this forum especially dictates he is joking about it.
Ramshutu is literally making a post about how good he is at making wiki posts.
I didn't disrespect you by blocking you, I respected that you can upset me and reduce the quality of my enjoyment of the website.
Firstly, blocking someone who's shown you respect and admiration in the past for a harmless joke is disrespect. Not to mention coming onto the forum and shit-talking the entire idea. If you gave constructive criticism, ok that's fine but all you did was come onto here and call everything shit.
You calling the ideas shit isn't what offends me, it's the fact you're playing the victim in this entire situation when if anything you're the last person to be playing the victim when nobody's done anything wrong to you.
Secondly, if you take a harmless joke as upsetting you and harming the quality you take in the site, like damn you're going to have a pretty hard life outside of this site.
You already sicken me with how you climb the forum leaderboard almost solely on tactical spam (this thread) and non-tactical spam (the REEE thread).
Firstly regarding this thread, how am I spamming? I am simply trying to kickstart a community project and am responding to questions and your rambles.
Secondly, regarding the REEE thread, that was a joke.
I made that forum to showcase how dumb the forum leaderboard is when people can gain absurdly high ranks without posting much of substance.
If I did actually care that much about the leaderboard, I would've continued to spam other forums.
If you want to get into spamming, ok you've spammed the debates with tied votes constantly which is disrespectful to those debating.
you replying that mocking and disrespectful to me, even if it was meant as a joke, shows how little regard you have for me or my wishes.
Let's examine how hypocritical this is,
RM has an ego complex ( if he denies this I can show proof this is the case )
RM has spammed votes and given very poor ones which I CVB
RM has been very disrespectful to this entire community project.
I am making a harmless and obvious joke and apparently, I am the asshole.
What's even funnier about this absurd accusation is RM ignores the fact that I actually am still going to respect his wishes and not let ramshutu or supadudz edit his page.
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That's where you're wrong, I actually was joking.
If you hadn't blocked me for no reason and just taken a joke, I would have respecting your wishes.
However very obviously you are very mean spirited and have little respect for people and are willing to just block people for no reason. Since you don't respect me, why should I respect you?
Also by the way, me and ramshutu were joking again.
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With all due respect, I was joking. But ok than.
I personally find it a bit hypocritcal that you're apparently allowed to come onto here and shit talk this entire project and yet when I make a playful joke, I am apparently being the mean one.
I mean if you're willing to block someone who's shown you a great deal of respect and praise in the past for just one joke, aright go ahead and block me and I take back the respect I once had for you.
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@RationalMadman
I'll personally make sure Ramshutu is the one to create your page lol
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@Speedrace
Read the above section where I detail the resume and what we'll be writing about
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Alright, so I am really happy for everyone's enthusiasm!
However first things first, DebateArt's owner ( sorry I don't know your name ) I was figuring you could provide the writing staff with the information they need whether it be how you got the idea for the site, the long line of moderators that've been recruited, ETC.
Now as far as writing is concerned, I am inexperienced with wiki so bear with me.
I was figuring I could hold basic tryouts for writing staff as I'll only be accepting 5-6 writers.
So on this forum, I want the resume to look like this,
Resume:
Username:
Qualifications:
Why you'd like to do it:
Any miscellaneous stuff I should be aware of IE time constraints:
Note: For qualifications, I am looking for people with writing experience, wiki experience, and good work ethic.
Also for miscellaneous stuff, I am looking for people with not so busy schedules.
Once I get my writing staff together we'll start to map out what the wiki should include, the basic ideas that I have is we should create a history section including lots of screenshots of the leaderboard and other pages as I expect for pages to change as time goes on. As well as including the full history of the site. Provided to us by the owner and possibly other notable figures.
Also if you can't write but still want to help we'll need people who've been on the site a considerable amount of time to provide to us information detailing the history.
Eventually, in a few days, I'll examine and pick a group of writers and we can get working on it. However, currently, it's my birthday so I want to relax today and tomorrow I'll be heading up to SF.
Cheers :-)
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@dylancatlow
wow you're so edgy and cool
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@K_Michael
See above, don't know how to tag multiple people at once so please pardon my idiocy
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@Death23
See above, don't know how to tag multiple people at once so please pardon my idiocy
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@PsychometricBrain
See above, don't know how to tag multiple people at once so please pardon my idiocy
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@vsp2019
See above, don't know how to tag multiple people at once so please pardon my idiocy
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