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@Greyparrot
You suggested multiple possible fixes to the current mail-in voting system to make it more secure:
Election security and integrity could be enhanced by ensuring:
- Voter registration rolls are current with correct addresses. At a minimum, persons who have died or moved outside of the district should be removed from the rolls.
- Voters are asked to provide a valid signature and a photo ID whenever appropriate, upon registering to vote, and voting in-person or by mail.
- Voters submit absentee and mail ballot requests in writing to ensure only registered voters receive ballots with signatures and photo IDs validated.
- Partisan and campaign workers are prevented from harvesting and delivering ballots. A voter’s ballot should be treated as sacred and secret and generally should not be given to a third-party non-election official.
- All persons registering to vote, voting in-person, and receiving absentee ballots should be notified that they are subject to perjury charges if they vote under false pretenses.
Why not go over those possible fixes and implement the ones that work instead of saying they "shouldn't be allowed"?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
so you agree blacks can't get i.d.s or have internet access? because the argument against voter i.d. from the democrats says that.....so which is it? which one is correct to either allow or disallow voter i.d. laws because blacks can't get i.d.s.
I thought that IDs were universal in the US. After doing research, I found out that I was dead wrong. 11% of Americans don't have photo ID.
That's 21 million American citizens you are excluding if you require photo IDs to vote.
Besides, aren't most libertarians and republicans against a National Identification System (as it could potentially be used as a national database for government surveillance)?
House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections
It's important to note that they're local elections, not federal.
regardless of what has passed or the veiled meaning of what they are saying and attempting to do, it's the thought that counts as the saying goes, it sure seems to be their intent.
Alright, there are two things that the post says. Firstly, the Democrats apparently voted against a bill that would ensure that only American citizens could vote. Secondly, that Nancy Pelosi encourages allowing illegal immigrants to vote.
The only substance they put out in support of the first part is a tweet by Dan Crenshaw, a congressman with an awesome eyepatch. He claims that HR1 (the bill in question) is good for the country, as it would "[reaffirm] that only US citizens should have the right to vote." However, in the tweet below, the same guy (unless there are two Dan Crenshaws in Congress wearing eyepatches) replied to a tweet by Joe Kennedy III (who basically stated the exact same thing as Crenshaw's first tweet, except that the GOP was UNIFIED in its opposition to HR1) saying, "You do realize your bill #HR1 would actually make that kind of fraud in #NC09 LEGAL. Right?TRUTH: it would legalize vote harvesting across the entire country, use your tax $ to do it, and limit free speech drastically. All in the name of “democracy.”Even ACLU opposes it."
His two tweets contradict each other. At the end of the day, I don't know whether or not the bill that the Democrats (and maybe the Republicans too) rejected was good or not, or whether what they did was right or not.
As for Nancy Pelosi, she never once stated "illegal immigrant" in her speech. All she said was:
So, when we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are, that we all have been, our families. Unless you are blessed to be Native American, which is a blessing in itself, which we respect. But that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism, courage to make the future better for the next generation – those are American traits – and these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system and that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America.
It is important to note that "newcomers" means all new immigrants. Furthermore, she clearly stated (in bold and italics) that she wants newcomers to be integrated into American society. This means granting immigrants legal citizenship. She also stated clearly in the video they posted in the blog that she wants comprehensive immigration reform, not an "open-gate" system that the site claimed she wanted.
I can't access this link. It gives me an Error 1020, which means it thinks I'm a DDoS bot, lol.
as you will notice most accept a driver's licence as i.d.States Offering Driver’s Licenses to Immigrantshuh looks like democrat states doesn't it......again the intent can't be denied and should be obvious to everyone.
According to immigrationdirect.com:
There are a handful of states that issue driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants:
- Washington State
- New Mexico
- Utah (Not a driver’s license. Only a driving permit.)
- Illinois
These states choose to provide undocumented immigrants with the right to drive legally because of safety issues. To get a driver’s license, applicants have to learn the rules of the roadways, pass driving tests, and before they start driving, get car insurance. Without driver’s licenses, undocumented immigrants drive without acquiring the proper knowledge and without insurance, and this makes the roads less safe for all drivers.
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@Greyparrot
You're not getting my point.
If Trump knows that mail-in voting is fixable, then he wouldn't have said that "it should be removed". It's like the difference between:
Windows 10 has flaws. Microsoft should fix them.
and
Windows 10 has flaws. Microsoft should discontinue it.
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@oromagi
I'm voting for speed because speed's meta is rapidly becoming speed is always scum speed always wins
That is a pretty flimsy argument, ngl.
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@oromagi
put my Mom in hospice today, she will likely pass tomorrowAll my family's flying in so availability is highly sketchy
Wow. I know I already said this, but I extend my deepest condolences to you and your family.
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@Greyparrot
You're not going to convince Trump until you are willing to do the things to make mail-in voting secure, like using proper ID.Otherwise, you will have community organizers running around looking for people unwilling or unable to vote and they will use their info to manufacture votes. Impossible to detect that kind of fraud.Election security and integrity could be enhanced by ensuring:
- Voter registration rolls are current with correct addresses. At a minimum, persons who have died or moved outside of the district should be removed from the rolls.
- Voters are asked to provide a valid signature and a photo ID whenever appropriate, upon registering to vote, and voting in-person or by mail.
- Voters submit absentee and mail ballot requests in writing to ensure only registered voters receive ballots with signatures and photo IDs validated.
- Partisan and campaign workers are prevented from harvesting and delivering ballots. A voter’s ballot should be treated as sacred and secret and generally should not be given to a third-party non-election official.
- All persons registering to vote, voting in-person, and receiving absentee ballots should be notified that they are subject to perjury charges if they vote under false pretenses.
Politicians should not use the coronavirus pandemic to significantly alter the way elections are conducted to achieve political objectives and power. The voter’s right to freely and fairly select his or her national, state and local representatives should be preserved. And the only way to do that is to ensure that any increased use of mail voting is accompanied by strong safeguards, including voter ID, to protect the integrity of our elections. The future of our constitutional republic and U.S. national security depends on it.
Ok so it seems like the answer is no, mail-in elections aren't inherently fraudulent.
If that's the case, then why did Trump say to remove it?
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@oromagi
@Speedrace
@skittlez09
Ok can y'all explain the connection between your roles and species plz
(Don't copy/paste from PM, just paraphrase)
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@oromagi
Ok, thanks!
TOWN Role SPECIES SHIP
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@Greyparrot
Is mail-in voting inherently fraudulent?
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TOWN Role SPECIES SHIP
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Alright, since my role is now useless, I will full claim.
I am the Shofixti, my ship class is scout, and I am town Suicide Bomber (via the Glory Device on scout ships).
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@Dr.Franklin
Only 1/3 of states require an excuse to receive an absentee ballot, so in 2/3 of states, "absentee voting" and "mail-in voting" are synonymous.
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@Barney
That definition isn't by any means be-all and end-all. It only serves as the first step in determining a definition that suits everyone. I heavily emphasize the fact that if anyone has an alternative definition, then they are welcome to provide it. If that definition proves to be better than the SPLC one, then that will be the one on the CoC.
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@Greyparrot
Again, if Trump was only against the apparent fraud in mail-in voting, then he would've said to fix it. Instead, he said to remove it entirely.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Ok, that's quite a bit. I'll go into it in-depth later
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@RationalMadman
Ah, good ol' RM. Great to see you back and kickin' it again, bud!
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@fauxlaw
'Twas a joke mate.
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@Vader
JOIN BERNIE SQUAD BRUH
#FEELTHEBERN
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Voting between Trump and Biden is like choosing either to be burned alive in a dumpster fire or a vat of hydrochloric acid.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Dr.Franklin
@fauxlaw
BBB
Become Bernie Bois
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
The video was simply some dude who walked across a university campus interviewing a select few students. Even if the responses weren't cherry-picked, the students in one university don't represent most democrats, not by a long shot.
I'll await your response tomorrow.
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@Dr.Franklin
different
What is the difference exactly?
my first ppost proves trump has two different opinions on the,
I'll let you finish your sentence.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Since many democrats say it's racist to require i.d. to vote or prove citizenship because blacks can't get i.d. don't have internet access etc (according to them) I would guess it would be just a mail-in ballot than anyone could get without any proof etc, hence the fraud concern.
Where did you get this info from? Also, I'm VERY sure that isn't what mail-in voting is. Every single governmental election requires proof of citizenship.
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What do Don Quixote, To Kill a Mockingbird, and the Bible have in common?
They're all great works of fiction.
Oh no here comes the Inquisition again
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@Dr.Franklin
Absentee voting and simply voting by mail is different
Absentee voting (aka “mail-in voting”...
So are absentee voting and mail-in voting the same thing, or are they different?
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@User_2006
haha... it's a joke, get it? Cuz like, the meat spam and the spam spam... oh forget it
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@oromagi
My deepest condolences to you and your family.
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@oromagi
She's got heart failure, lung failure, kidney failure blind, senile, sepsis and too weak to feed herself. Somehow she doesn't have coronavirus although her nursing home and now hosptial have much coronavirus. I don't really think she'll get better. I mostly just hope she finds some peace soon
Ouch. That's extremely sad and unfortunate
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@oromagi
I am half Irish and a poet so I really have no defenses vs. commie bastard claims.
Ah, I see. So you are a half James Joyce, so only half a commie bastard
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@oromagi
I honestly hope your mom gets better soon
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@oromagi
YOOOOO buddy!!!!!!
wassup????????
I heard you were good at CPR, so plz resuscitate this game, it's dying ;-;
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@Dr.Franklin
ok and? 5k ballots were lost in Michigan due to it
What does this have to do with #12 exactly?
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@Tejretics
I'm talking about debaters, not voters. Fair voting systems affect debaters a lot more than they do voters. So that's a strawman right there.
Alright. In that case, this point:
Furthermore, the four voting criteria aren't that intuitively difficult to grasp. We all have at least somewhat of an understanding of what poor sources are, of what poor grammar is, and what poor conduct looks like.
would still apply. If you've ever had a conversation, you know what proper conduct is. If you've ever written stuff in the English language, then you know what S&G is referring to, and how to not get penalized by it. If you've ever done any research of any kind, then you know what to expect from the sources category. And if you aren't familiar with one or more of those concepts, then you will become familiar with them very quickly.
You still haven't identified a single concrete harm of doing this.
Fauxlaw did, albeit not in the best way. While it is true that he was wrong on the DDO part, his argument shouldn't be entirely discredited, as it does have some merit. The current 4-criteria voting system encourages people to go in-depth with the reasoning behind their voting decisions. On the other hand, a rudimentary "choose winner" metric would decrease the quality of the votes, as there would be no incentive to go beyond the bare minimum of the voting eligibility – a cursory analysis of the debate arguments, with the least amount of thought put into it. True, that system would increase voting, but it would also undoubtedly do a disservice to the debaters, as it is the feedback from the votes themselves that allow them to improve their craft.
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@Athias
Interesting. I'm going to have to do further research on the extent of papal influence (probably very difficult given how covert the papacy is in its dealings).
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
it's very clear he's against fraud, if the fraud could be eliminated would Trump then be against mail-in voting? so is it "very clear here that Trump is against mail-in voting?" or just your tunnel vision bias?
If Trump was against the fraud, then he would've said something along the lines of:
These ballots are very different from 100% Mail-In Voting, which is 'RIPE for FRAUD,' and should be fixed!
but instead, he said:
These ballots are very different from 100% Mail-In Voting, which is 'RIPE for FRAUD,' and shouldn't be allowed!
There's a huge difference between those two statements.
Dummycrats don't think people should have to show i.d. to vote or even be alive so yeah the current systems they are attempting I am against because of fraud, you should be as well.
As I have stated above, fraud isn't the reason why Trump is against it.
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I hope we actually get something out of this DP tomorrow lol. Anyways I'm off for the night. GN
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@skittlez09
hulk and thor the dark world also rock
Alright, thou hast repented for thy sins.
UNVOTE
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@skittlez09
i prefer captain marvelABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY
I am sorry, but I CANNOT allow crimes against Barry Allen to go unpunished.
VTL COOKIEBOI
FOR BEING LITERALLY WORSE THAN OROCOMMIE
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It's 4 votes for the lynch, right comrade?
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@skittlez09
i prefer captain marvel
ABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY
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@fauxlaw
agree to disagree
agreed
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@fauxlaw
That would argue that traits from my mother and father live in me, but I would be hard pressed to admit, and you would be hard pressed to acknowledge that I could be confused for either of them.
I never said that DDO and DART were identical, nor did I say that they could be confused for one another. I just said that there are similarities between both of them and thus DDO isn't irrelevant to DART.
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@Dr.Franklin
Trump isnt against the principle he has said""Absentee ballots are a great way to vote for the many senior citizens, military, and others who can't get to the polls on Election Day. These ballots are very different from 100% Mail-In Voting, which is 'RIPE for FRAUD,' and shouldn't be allowed!"
Very clear here that Trump is against mail-in voting.
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@fauxlaw
Similar. Not identical
Exactly. There are things from there that also apply, which means that DDO isn't entirely irrelevant to DART.
And since DDO is effectively dead [no longer supported], it is irrelevant.
There are many elements of DART that were carried over from DDO. So in that sense, a part of DDO lives on in DART.
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@fauxlaw
Same difference: irrelevant to DART.
Not really. DDO and DART have similar systems and policies.
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