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@EtrnlVw
All of our thoughts come from our souls, correct?

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@Vader
There’s also a vote on Pie lol
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@TheRealNihilist
@TheRealNihillist
On a cursory glance, I don’t see anything wrong. With that said, it would be Etrnl’s job to point out errors in your reasoning and make other counters against your argument, since you are directly engaging with him.

@EtrnlVw
Please consider TRN’s counters in post #92
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@Lunatic
Town gets a pointless role that does nothing for them


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@Lunatic
Why's that? Don't all town have useless roles?
From what I got in the signups description, town gets one useless role, which you already claimed. All other town would be vanilla.


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@Vader
You have the following abilities, three of which may be used each night:

Cop
Vigilante
Doc
1x Dreamer
2x Bulletproof

Nowhere in here does it say Tracker
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@Lunatic
My grammar isn't the best either, but my role PM looks like it was written by a half asleep two year old. 
Oof


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@Lunatic
UNVOTE

Popcorn won’t work. Literally everyone is going to claim vanilla town.
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@Lunatic
UNVOTE
VTL LUNA

GRAMMAR NAZI REEEEEEEEE



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@TheRealNihilist
I never stated that you were wrong or missing anything.

Since you are directly countering Etrnl’s points, he would be one to respond to you.
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@TheRealNihilist
I’m letting EtrnlVw lay out all his points before I respond to them
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@oromagi
VTL PIE

UNVOTE
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@EtrnlVw
Interpretation, logic and commonsense
Can you please expand on each of these points?


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@ILikePie5
I have
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@EtrnlVw
But to answer the question no, I'm not relying entirely on testimonial evidence, there are other factors that indicate the proposition of Theism.
Such as?


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@ILikePie5
Please do town a favour and VTL UNVOTE
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@oromagi
Going through all different possible combinations only works if everyone (including Disc) is online
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@David
Can you plz VTL UNVOTE as well?
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@drafterman
Can you do us a solid and UNVOTE plz?
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@EtrnlVw
Well understanding the nature of spirituality and having a full comprehension of what evidence consists of (the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid) the evidence that correlates with that nature is abundant. Since we can assume that we are not dealing with material objects we can study like we would in our universe we move over to testimonial evidence. Spirituality and religion are the fields that observe that nature, testimonial evidence is what we would want to use as a cross reference and everything is fair game. This would include NDE's and OBE's, spiritual encounters and paranormal study. I can link you with a channel that has a huge database of NDE's and medical facts that collaborate with the testimonials, and these are average people not selling any religious ideas. We're talking about the soul leaving the body after brain death (which begins only 4 min after the heart stops beating).
Having my own encounters with spiritual beings and other experiences I cross examine other testimonies. Together I have my own evidence and a mega storehouse of evidence at my fingertips. Whether or not you wish to categorize spiritual based evidence is up to you( as in weak or strong), but I can help you sort it all out.
So your entire case hinges on anecdotal evidence, correct?

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@oromagi
ok...

VTNL
UNVOTE
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@Speedrace
There's 3 town. 2 have already been revealed. Goons and Roleblockers would know who to hone in on during the night. 
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@Speedrace
Why would you guys reveal your roles so quickly?
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I win
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@RationalMadman
Satire:
NOUN
mass noun
  • 1The use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
This thread is meant as satire
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@EtrnlVw
There is more direct evidence that the conscious soul exists independent of the physical body than any other topic. 
Can you please elaborate on this evidence?


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I'll be in
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That burp was guilty af
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VTL SUPA
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@EtrnlVw
The very nature of the conscious soul is immaterial
What do you think of the statements presented in this source:


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Yes, because the physical experience is actually the outermost layer of the soul and creation. As you get higher into the worlds of God there is less and less materiality to the point where you eventually have the mental worlds and pure conscious worlds, and all of this comes out the universal mind of God.
So is the human soul part of god?

Have you ever heard of the universal mind? 
No I haven’t

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@EtrnlVw
Do you believe abstract objects exist outside of the universe?

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Well the soul is eternal so the experiences are endless, the Creator is an eternal creative force we should never put limits on such a Reality. When you leave this world it's the same as our physical universe, there are many many planets, galaxies and forms. You can call it a multiverse, creation has layers and so does the soul.  As well you could end up coming back to earth, depending on your progress and Kama.
Does this mean you believe in reincarnation?

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@EtrnlVw
Are the moral actions based off of one’s own morals, or off of God’s?
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@EtrnlVw
I typed up my message before you posted yours, so the page didn’t refresh until after I posted mine. I apologize if I seem redundant in my points, it’s because I didn’t see your subsequent posts yet.
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Just to add, there isn't just two places when you leave this body, those are two of many options. Creation is massive, if you think the universe is enormous wait til you see what else exists!
What places, other than heaven or hell, can one go to in their afterlife? I’m Curious


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I said we have our own will, it's just not free as in we do whatever we want with no effect. 
Do people do actions of their own volition, or are they determined by prior causes?
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I wasn’t talking about an eternal afterlife in heaven/hell. My question is:
Since you agree that there is no free will (that everything is as the result of cause and effect), a person would have their actions predetermined, and thus their afterlife (heaven/hell) would have already been determined . Do you see this as true or not?
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So if there is no free will, then everyone is predestined to either heaven or hell from the moment of conception. Do you agree or disagree with this statement?
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@EtrnlVw
Ok, moving on. Do you believe that there is free will?
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@EtrnlVw
Do you believe in evolution?
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@EtrnlVw
Do you believe that God created man directly, or that God created life and humans came to be as a result of those processes you mentioned?
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@EtrnlVw
So, do you take the creationist stance?
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Do you believe in what Genesis 1:27 says?
Genesis 1:27, NIV: "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

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And what exactly do you mean by “creation”? Did God create man?
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@TheRealNihilist
I know. I’ll wait for his response first.
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@TheRealNihilist
I’ll see
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@EtrnlVw
How old is the earth?
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@Fallaneze
You’re right. There will never be closure on this issue. It’s like trench warfare: completely static, with neither side willing to budge.

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@ethang5
Evolution says nothing about how life starts. Evolution is concerned only with change after life begins.
You you stated that God created you. I take this to mean that you believe what Genesis 1:27 states, that man was directly created by God. This, evolution would be a counter to creationism as stated in the bible.

As for abiogenesis, there is not a single shred of evidence for it in existence 
See Urey-Miller Experiment:

Logic. God is omnipotent. Another omnipotent being cannot exist.
So you are making another claim, that God is omnipotent. If that were the case, then how would you explain the omnipotence paradox?

I do not take them at face value. You asked how is the bible credible and I told you.
You believe that the bible is credible enough that you directly took quotes out of it to answer two of my questions, ergo, you believe that the quotes are true in and of themselves. Credibility denotes some aspect of truthfulness. If it didn’t, then I could take a quote out of Harry Potter and state it as fact. You stated that it was credible (that the content inside it is true enough to quote directly) because many people believed it over centuries. This is an ad populum fallacy. Just because many people believe a source does not make it matter-of-fact. For example, everyone believed, for well over a millennium, that the Geocentric model of the universe was correct because Plato said so. We now know that it is not the case. The bible is no different in this regard.

I repeated because my experience informed me it was needed.
How much experience do you have in having discussions with me? Very little.

If you think repeating something for the sake of doing so is pointless, don’t repeat things for the sake of doing so.
My point exactly.

Not in reality. It’s a difference without distinction
But I told you my views. If you think something else is credible, that is your business.

You were the one who made the claim (there are plenty of non-biblical records of God appearing in any location), therefore, you are the one who has to substantiate it.
Nonsense. You asked if there were, I said there were. You can look it up, but I am under no obligation to offer it to you. It is not part of my argument and matters not one bit to me.

It's not enough to make generalized statements. In order to substantiate your statement here, you need to provide specific examples.
Like most liberal atheists, you are confused and thinking I am seeking validation from you, or that you are somehow vetting me. My answer was enough for me. Accept or reject it.
I find it funny how both you and Athias were adamantly insisting that 3RU7AL substantiate his claims, yet when I ask you two to do the same, you both refuse to do so.
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