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@SirAnonymous
All right, which one of you do you support lynching and why? (but especially why)
I think Zar is scum, and unlike him, I will provide my reasons for thinking so.Firstly, Zar claimed Watcher in Post 139. This means three things: either he is Town Watcher, Third-party Watcher, or Mafia Watcher. It’s impossible for him to be Third-party Watcher, since there is only one third-party and Pie already claimed Angel. This means that Zar is either Town Watcher or Mafia watcher. If Zar was Town Watcher, then there would be no reason to withhold information from town. Doing so is anti-town. Either that or Zar is lying about his role, which is also scummy. That, plus his continued insistence to build a wagon on me (especially after the plan between Sir, Pie, and I), makes me think that Zar is scum.
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@PGA2.0
Thanks for the clarification!
No prob!
So, is your case for the Christian God?
My case isn’t directly about god at all.
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@PGA2.0
Are you developing a case against the biblical God or are you interested in my thinking?
A bit of the latter, not at all the former (at least for this thread).
<br>Now, may I ask what is the purpose of all these questions?
I’m building a case. Not against the God of the Bible (it may seem like it initially, but it’s not).
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@ILikePie5
I'm pretty sure you know about LAL. So, what made you lie about your role in the first place?
Your role is testable, so I'm not that concerned. Just curious.
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@ILikePie5
It’s the first time I’ve ever played a TP. Idk the meta or anything. My play was completely random
I'll tentatively go with this narrative for now.
UNVOTE
VTL ZARADI
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@PGA2.0
And if those people disobeyed or went counter to that command, they would be going against the moral imperative of God, thereby making them immoral. Correct?I'm trying to think of God commanding someone to do something without a moral imperative behind it and can't think of any so yes. A command is a moral imperative.
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Newton's Flaming Laser Sword (yes this is a real thing) is a philosophical razor coined by Australian mathematician Mike Alder in 2004, which states that:
what cannot be settled by experiment is not worth debating.
Since God exists outside of the observable universe, there would be no way to observe God. There would also be no experiment we could do to prove or falsify God's existence, since God exists independently of the universe. Given this, according to NFLS, God's existence is not worth debating. Also, since there is no experiment to prove or disprove God, the notion of his existence is unfalsifiable, and therefore unscientific.
What are your guys' thoughts on this?
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@PGA2.0
His word describes both the good and bad of human affairs in all their sordidness. It also gives us a moral blueprint to work from, the Ten Commandments. Jesus sums up those ten in two.
If God commanded someone (or a group of people) to do something, then the thing is necessarily moral. Correct?
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@Lunatic
Zaradi's behavior is scummy, but that is a straight-up scumslip.
UNVOTE
VTL PIE
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@SirAnonymous
Okay that is game changing. I had serious doubts about Pie, but if this goes unexplained, then it's going to be the nail in the coffin.
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@Lunatic
In lieu of Night Actions, behavioural analysis is the next best thing. VTLing someone for no explicit reason, and then encouraging everyone else to wagon, appears to me (at least) to be scum trying to scapegoat someone else.
Also, given that a watcher is an informative role, it would only really make sense in an alignment with more than one person in it. Given this, it would make sense that Watcher is town. However, what Zaradi says here:
Confirming that I'm a watcher =/= confirming that I'm town.
suggests that its not the case. This move strikes me as odd.
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@Lunatic
My reads (from most town to most scum):
PressF
Speedrace
Lunatic
SirAnonymous
ILikePie5
Zaradi
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@PGA2.0
but is in itself always perfectly moral. Agree?What do you mean by that? He describes both the good and evil, the moral and the immoral, the perfect and the flawed.
I was talking about God's Word, not God Himself. Hopefully that clears it up.
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@Lunatic
One more thing that I feel is important to mention.
Redirectors don't get report results for their actions.
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@Zaradi
So what actions, other than the popcorn thing (which I've already addressed), have I done that makes you think I'm scum?
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@Zaradi
Immature = scumHave you missed me and Lunatic's entire conversation on whether your play can be described as immature or not?
is not a valid deduction
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@Zaradi
And you haven't said WHY you think Press is Mafia (that I've seen), you literally said you wouldn't say whyI said I wouldn't say why to him. I explained a bit to Luna already.
This leaves us with two cases.
1. You told Luna privately. This is cheating.
2. You posted it somewhere. In that case, share the link
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@ILikePie5
Here's how my role works:Speed Shoots Zaradi but is savedZaradi shoots someone but is roleblockedPress is lying in which case we have either a waive, roleblock, or doctor.
I choose to visit person A. I can then force person A to visit person B (if they have a visiting role).
For NP0, person A was Speed and person B was Zar.
Scenario 1 assumes that Speed is scum.
Scenario 2 assumes that my role controls Zar's (Person B's) actions. They don't.
This entire line of reasoning falls apart due to reasons above.
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@ILikePie5
That scenario literally assumes that Speed is scum.
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@SirAnonymous
The reasons for lynching you would be your illogical play such as sabotaging the popcorn
There's a major problem with popcorn. If the next person to go is offline, then we wait for them to go online. Meanwhile, scum can come up with an exotic claim. Can you disagree with this? Yes. Is it illogical? No.
and your pointless VTL of Zaradi.
If someone was VTLing you from the first page onwards and gave no reasons for doing so, it would look like scum trying to find a scapegoat.
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@ILikePie5
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
Lunatic asked me why I chose who I did. I replied with "I chose randomly because there was nothing to go off of NP0."
Please tell me what is wrong with that.
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@Zaradi
What OMGUS?
I VTL'd you because you refuse to give reasons for VTLing me.
Give valid reasons, and I will retract my vote.
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@Zaradi
Blatant cop-outF4, I have zero reason to get into a drawn-out discussion of my reasoning with you when you have every incentive to argue with me and try to prove each point wrong. I'm not flooding the DP thread with that.
VTL ZARADI
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@ILikePie5
This has nothing to do with his previous comment, I don’t see the connection whatsoever.
Dude. There's literally nothing to go off of on NP0. I chose randomly.
Trying to force me to give a reason where there is none looks scummy, just saying
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@ILikePie5
@Zaradi
So far:
@ILikePie5
You've given a really shitty reason to lynch me...
@Zaradi
and you haven't given one at all.
Explain your reasons for the VTL, right here, right now
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@Zaradi
Can you at least explain your reasoning?
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@ILikePie5
And while you're at it, please explain this:
VTL ZaradiPlease explain your proficiency in mafia and if you’ve had previous experiences anywhere
11 comments later...
Glad to have you back!UNVOTE
and this:
VTL PressFFor fluff at beginning about Supa. Could be forced.
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@Zaradi
I'm not gonna claim results unless I need to lol. If you're expecting my first post each DP to be my results, that's not gonna happen.
Ok that is anti-town.
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@Zaradi
If I was Mafia, why would I voluntarily claim so early?
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@SirAnonymous
I didn’t propose any method for sorting out the claims. If I did, it would defeat the whole point.
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@Lunatic
Speed to Zaradi.
Why would I have a reason for choosing NP0? There’s literally nothing to go off of.
Now, CLAIM
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@Zaradi
Awh, F4 actually wants to try and do something? That's adorable.
Thank you very much!!! 😊
Your compliment is GREATLY appreciated!
Anyways, go. Now.
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@SirAnonymous
There’s a method to analyze claims and differentiate the genuine ones from the fake ones
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@SirAnonymous
Then we ask them to explain and justify their claim
And if it seems off...
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@Zaradi
See above
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@SirAnonymous
LAST PERSON TO CLAIM GETS VTL’D
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@SirAnonymous
Not if we strangle them with Time Constraints
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
EVERYBODY CLAIM NOW
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@Speedrace
Nvm Ignore the mention.
I didn’t read the whole thread until now
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@SirAnonymous
Popcorning is stupid
Someone is inherently going to be called last, and they’re gonna be the lynch target.
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@Speedrace
Ok Speed what’s your claim?
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