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@Speedrace
The problem with town preemptively agreeing on an NK is that it essentially tells mafia who they should lynch. This would completely remove any info we could get from the NK, since both town and mafia would NK the same person.
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@BearMan
What “disastrous consequences” could come from everyone betting?
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@Speedrace
There’s literally no town reason I can think of not to out. For mafia, it’s unlikely, but there’s still could be a reason.
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@Speedrace
I know but just in case we catch someone who holds back their character claim
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@ILikePie5
If town gets the NK, then it would be disadvantageous to kill, considering it’s more likely to hit town
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@BearMan
What we should go with his 25% bet, 75% fold. That way we still can have action, but with less consequence. All bet would catastrophic.
No. We should all bet. Why? Because the NK is up for grabs by everyone, and if we all bet, it’ll be more likely than not that town will get the NK, thus robbing scum of the only way they can reliably kill off town.
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At this point, we have no way of deducing who is scum and who isn’t (since two people can have the same role). There’s most likely two scum and eight town, meaning there is a 20% of hitting scum on the lynch. Mislynches only help scum get one step closer to victory.
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@warren42
Mafia has a different role set that is only known to them.
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Ok just thought about it and given the fact that popcorn doesn’t work, the next best thing we can do is VTNL, since there is no role deduction to be made in DP1.
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Before Pie gets mad, it IS possible for 2 people to have the same role.
Ok this makes popcorn useless
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@RationalMadman
@Speedrace
Roles are determined by our hand. This is a semi-open setup. The town roles are listed, the scum roles are not. This means that scum is forced to fake claim one of the roles in the list, leaving them vulnerable to CC
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@RationalMadman
We have a flop, and the two cards in our PMs. Town is guaranteed to have one of the roles listed (based on what type of hand we have)
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Given the game setup, I think the best thing to do is to popcorn full claims immediately.
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@ILikePie5
Ya cause there was no investigative role on town side.
There was a tracker and a watcher on town’s side (two if you count the JOAT). Having all that AND a Cop would be EXTREMELY unbalanced in favour of town.
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@warren42
@Speedrace
Thanks for the game Speed! And thank you Warren for that amazing sensor fakeclaim, it truly carried me to the end!
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@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
@skittlez09
And if you guys buy Pie’s claim that I’m lying, let me tell you this:
It makes no sense to do something that is against one’s wincon. A large part of mafia’s wincon is convincing town that other town are scum. Given this, why would I fake claim a role that town confirms multiple people? Town confirming people goes directly against mafia’s wincon.
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@ILikePie5
It’s your cries of “LOOK IM TOWN!!!” vs my math and logic.
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@ILikePie5
We went with you because you acted town. Which, as mafia, is the very thing that you want town to do. But now, the math is against you.
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@ILikePie5
Yes, you’ve acted the most town this game. You’ve gotten all of us fooled the last two DPs. But now your gimmick is up.
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@Intelligence_06
From my sensor data. Four people in the 6 person lynch on RM are town. Supa was third-party scum. Oro, Bear, and Croc flipper town. I am the sensor. That leaves Pie as scum.
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@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
@skittlez09
@Intelligence_06
User’s bleeding status completely dispels Pie’s claim of saving Water from the NK.
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@Intelligence_06
Ok so this means we are in LYLO. We need to lynch today. The only guaranteed scum we have right now is Pie.
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@ILikePie5
You control the NKs. It’s more than possible that you planned it in DP2 to try to get town to buy it DP3.
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@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
@skittlez09
@Intelligence_06
If User(Intel) indeed is the bleeder and he got hit last night, that means we’re in LYLO. We need to lynch someone today, and Pie is the only guaranteed scum so far.
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@ILikePie5
You believe that. I’d have to kill someone anyways when it was MYLO to get to LYLO. I’m actively trying to get more information as a town. Unless I wanted you lynched in MYLO day there’s no objective to me wanting to waive the NK
Given the fact that you’re trying to get everyone to believe your doctor claim, it’s very possible that you waived the NK.
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@ILikePie5
There was no reason for mafia to not NK last night
You say this, yet it’s very possible that you deliberately waived the NK to claim that you saved Water from a scum lynch.
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@WaterPhoenix
Sorry, I meant full strongman. I keep getting those two mixed up.
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@WaterPhoenix
Pie says that is this is a bastard game, but then claims that Speed couldn’t have put a full bodyguard in here because it’s “extremely OP”. He literally contradicts himself in an attempt to rid himself of his confirmed scum label, LOL.
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