I agree with you because the only person directly harmed or helped by transgender operations and unnatural hormone levels is the transgender individual. Therefore, if they're happier with the hormone levels that differ to their biological level (which is actually medically necessary in some extreme cases of very masculine women or vice versa who are cis and seeking treatment) then let them. If they want to destroy their genitalia under the knife and FULLY understand the implications (which I don't support anyone under 18 understanding, I would actually make it 21+ but 18 is fair enough) then let them go ahead. At the very least let them finish puberty before altering their hormones so such a severe level to play the role of a gender.
As a psychiatrist or therapist, I would certainly opt for indulging in their safe fantasies and 'delusions' so long as it makes them happy and mentally healthy. This is true for many other scenarios. The reason we can't let certain schizophrenics stay delusional is due to how severely harmful their delusions are to others when acted out on (or themselves if self harm and suicide are on the table).
I would not say that honesty is always necessary from a therapist or psychiatrist at all, your professional feedback to a patient needn't be your 100% honest take, it needs to be what will best help that patient get mentally healthy and happy. If the act and transition isn't hurting the patient, let them safely indulge, genuinely. After all our 'real self' always involves some degree of fantasy and opinion (as opposed to fact) from our own perspective, they just happen to perceive their biological sex as an unwanted factor in who they really are.
To me, it's absolutely fine to be trans, the issue is when it becomes taboo to discuss what your biological sex is (not just was, still is). If we are allowed to discuss that, while respecting the gender role you are partaking in as a separate concept and topic, then we'd find far less conflict between different takes on trans people. The problem is when it becomes totally taboo to even admit and discuss biological sex, which seems to be where some radical trans activists are trying to move all science and society towards (EVEN SPORTS). There has to be a line in the sand, eventually it must be drawn.
TheUnderdog did strawman you, edge, however his core point/logic is that if men aren't different to women why is it different to call a trans person by the wrong gender?
I don't agree with where he's going with that, I just follow the logic. I'd definitely counter him based on respecting the trans individual's right to be happy and left in peace.
My vote here isn't troll but that vote I linked to, two posts below is irrefutably troll and malicious.
You just think because you're so pro-trans, pro-BLM pro-this pro-that,it means you can be as cruel and as much of a dick to other users as you please and get zero backlash.
You have one fucking delusional high horse you sit on. Start to question how you speak to and treat others before assuming you're an angel.
I am progressive too and support BLM and many other causes just as much as you. I also would never misgender a trans or queer individual nor tease them or passively sit by while someone else does.
You think your positions on topics give you some kind of authority to remove votes or talk shit on other users as you please. Fuck off, you are not some special god. My vote is absolutely valid and you didn't even report the other user who tied you guys for even less reason and poisoned the well one vote earlier than mine. You just think your anger and arrogance are some protective shield against all other users.
Weakeredge, you're looking for beef over an unrated debate where you genuinely screwed up.
You voted against me on a Rated debate where you wrote that kung fu was argued better than wrestling but you don't buy it because of some 'proof'. I accepted it. You voted on a debate I had against gugigor that I didn't obey some rule and lost a rated debate. That vote is still up there because Ragnar let your troll vote remain. I don't cry about it. I toughen up and adapt.
That is hardly a good example of my strategy in debates. I have a much stronger case in this debate but it depends how Con comes at me, in terms of how I structure each point and rebuttal.
That is a valid point.
I explore that concept a lot in my debate with weakeredge at the moment, regarding feminism and the dissolution of gender and biological sex contradicting it.
Lol, 'is' as opposed to 'was' makes this a truism overall. DDO has so many glitches it's literally unusable for proper debating or forum interaction. Only the polls and opinions seems to work.
Busy and also because this debate is equally winnable or losable to me with 30k char count whether you get an extra Round out of 4 or not. Do what you want, I'll sacrifice conduct point (not that I have a choice now).
In general I support teaching all religions in RE/RS type subjects. However, scientology, Satanism and Jehovah's Wintess as well as others may not be worth teaching to general school populations so I'd end up in a tough spot on this debate.
I don't dodge at every chance but there are indeed reasons not to type about that online. You do understand that the most powerful people on the planet would be involved with keeping the truth hidden?
As for this debate there's zero dishonesty. This about the viability of the flat earth itself. Can it work? Many say it can't, ask where the edge is so on and so forth. I am frankly fed up of your attitude. You're extremely toxic and I blocked you before then unblocked you as you showed signs of improving, now you are becoming more and more belligerent for no rational reason.
If I annoy you by what I stand for and what I do, too bad. I don't come to your debates and whine like a bitch typing in allcaps to emphasise every seventh word. I'm sick of it and blocking you.
nope, I am not going to support gravity in this debate's flat earth physics model. The Earth can be any age and still be flat, strawmanning flat earth theory is a habit of the simpleminded.
The debate that Benjamin asked to engage in was that he firmly believes the flat earth theory itself is contradictory and implausible. I have not deceived or dodged anything, he and many round earthers believe that. I am handling that specifically in this debate.
You are angry about nothing, I didn't even do anything to you yet you have been nonstop hostile to me the past few days.
Maybe his tool of reproduction was too big to fit.
@TheWeakerEdge
I agree with you because the only person directly harmed or helped by transgender operations and unnatural hormone levels is the transgender individual. Therefore, if they're happier with the hormone levels that differ to their biological level (which is actually medically necessary in some extreme cases of very masculine women or vice versa who are cis and seeking treatment) then let them. If they want to destroy their genitalia under the knife and FULLY understand the implications (which I don't support anyone under 18 understanding, I would actually make it 21+ but 18 is fair enough) then let them go ahead. At the very least let them finish puberty before altering their hormones so such a severe level to play the role of a gender.
As a psychiatrist or therapist, I would certainly opt for indulging in their safe fantasies and 'delusions' so long as it makes them happy and mentally healthy. This is true for many other scenarios. The reason we can't let certain schizophrenics stay delusional is due to how severely harmful their delusions are to others when acted out on (or themselves if self harm and suicide are on the table).
I would not say that honesty is always necessary from a therapist or psychiatrist at all, your professional feedback to a patient needn't be your 100% honest take, it needs to be what will best help that patient get mentally healthy and happy. If the act and transition isn't hurting the patient, let them safely indulge, genuinely. After all our 'real self' always involves some degree of fantasy and opinion (as opposed to fact) from our own perspective, they just happen to perceive their biological sex as an unwanted factor in who they really are.
I called myself an arrogant fool.
To me, it's absolutely fine to be trans, the issue is when it becomes taboo to discuss what your biological sex is (not just was, still is). If we are allowed to discuss that, while respecting the gender role you are partaking in as a separate concept and topic, then we'd find far less conflict between different takes on trans people. The problem is when it becomes totally taboo to even admit and discuss biological sex, which seems to be where some radical trans activists are trying to move all science and society towards (EVEN SPORTS). There has to be a line in the sand, eventually it must be drawn.
You already dignified me with a response.
TheUnderdog did strawman you, edge, however his core point/logic is that if men aren't different to women why is it different to call a trans person by the wrong gender?
I don't agree with where he's going with that, I just follow the logic. I'd definitely counter him based on respecting the trans individual's right to be happy and left in peace.
Theweakeredge
My vote here isn't troll but that vote I linked to, two posts below is irrefutably troll and malicious.
You just think because you're so pro-trans, pro-BLM pro-this pro-that,it means you can be as cruel and as much of a dick to other users as you please and get zero backlash.
You have one fucking delusional high horse you sit on. Start to question how you speak to and treat others before assuming you're an angel.
I am progressive too and support BLM and many other causes just as much as you. I also would never misgender a trans or queer individual nor tease them or passively sit by while someone else does.
You think your positions on topics give you some kind of authority to remove votes or talk shit on other users as you please. Fuck off, you are not some special god. My vote is absolutely valid and you didn't even report the other user who tied you guys for even less reason and poisoned the well one vote earlier than mine. You just think your anger and arrogance are some protective shield against all other users.
Thank you for this vote btw, you saved me from an unfair loss.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/2974/vote-links/6555
^ don't leave this vote and virtue signal about the sanctity of RFDs. You're a poser.
Weakeredge, you're looking for beef over an unrated debate where you genuinely screwed up.
You voted against me on a Rated debate where you wrote that kung fu was argued better than wrestling but you don't buy it because of some 'proof'. I accepted it. You voted on a debate I had against gugigor that I didn't obey some rule and lost a rated debate. That vote is still up there because Ragnar let your troll vote remain. I don't cry about it. I toughen up and adapt.
Just so we are clear, I am not even sure if it's based on the Irish tale or not. I just debated.
Thanks for the vote.
You didn't actually award the legibility point to Con but I am happier you didn't as it was borderline anyway, so your point allocation is more solid.
That is hardly a good example of my strategy in debates. I have a much stronger case in this debate but it depends how Con comes at me, in terms of how I structure each point and rebuttal.
In a 5-Round debate, you don't put all your proof and strong pieces of information and preemptive rebuttal in Round 1, or at least I don't.
LOL reporting my vote
That is a valid point.
I explore that concept a lot in my debate with weakeredge at the moment, regarding feminism and the dissolution of gender and biological sex contradicting it.
Lol, 'is' as opposed to 'was' makes this a truism overall. DDO has so many glitches it's literally unusable for proper debating or forum interaction. Only the polls and opinions seems to work.
This is a fairly decent illustration https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/faq/solar-system/earth/flat/img/flat-earth-model-2.jpg
Busy and also because this debate is equally winnable or losable to me with 30k char count whether you get an extra Round out of 4 or not. Do what you want, I'll sacrifice conduct point (not that I have a choice now).
I made the same errors both times I said 'born as' but it isn't essential to the point I was making. I'll correct it in Round 2.
" to deny she is a female and that her birth sex was male "
I meant female for the second one, not male.
You gonna vote? :P
https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/rules/rulemaking-regulatory-reform-proceedings/childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule
bump
Do I need a reason?
Your interpretation seems kinkier than mine.
To discipline you.
You are really a troll sometimes
This should apply to full forfeits though, why should it apply to just one round of forfeit?
When you lose this debate, know that your only mistake was accepting it with the conditions laid out in the description.
bunch of brand new sources and arguments in final Round, is that some kind of wrestling etiquette lol
Good luck
In general I support teaching all religions in RE/RS type subjects. However, scientology, Satanism and Jehovah's Wintess as well as others may not be worth teaching to general school populations so I'd end up in a tough spot on this debate.
The biggest reason to justify it's not worth implementing is ruled out in your debate description.
You and I agree what your BoP here is and what mine is.
You don't understand much about the game of poker, I would presume.
What you are saying implies the world is based on strategising where everyone's cards are face up on the table.
Sure buddy and to answer your question no, not the FBI.
He split five loaves of bread and two fish amongst 5000 people.
That's what I call real profit.
both votes so far (Undefeatable and Benjamin) are insufficient RFDs, I report. I also want to know why my flagging power has been removed for so long.
I just vote whenever I feel like it so I understand it's tedious.
It's complete, if you care to read.
Itachi, Danzō and the third Hokage agreed with you, that's for sure.
please finish your vote when you have time, I look forward to reading it.
I don't dodge at every chance but there are indeed reasons not to type about that online. You do understand that the most powerful people on the planet would be involved with keeping the truth hidden?
As for this debate there's zero dishonesty. This about the viability of the flat earth itself. Can it work? Many say it can't, ask where the edge is so on and so forth. I am frankly fed up of your attitude. You're extremely toxic and I blocked you before then unblocked you as you showed signs of improving, now you are becoming more and more belligerent for no rational reason.
If I annoy you by what I stand for and what I do, too bad. I don't come to your debates and whine like a bitch typing in allcaps to emphasise every seventh word. I'm sick of it and blocking you.
Undefeatable is offering continuing assistance to Con in this debate's comments section.
If you offer more help to Con in the comments, it is violating a rule about assisting other debaters.
nope, I am not going to support gravity in this debate's flat earth physics model. The Earth can be any age and still be flat, strawmanning flat earth theory is a habit of the simpleminded.
The debate that Benjamin asked to engage in was that he firmly believes the flat earth theory itself is contradictory and implausible. I have not deceived or dodged anything, he and many round earthers believe that. I am handling that specifically in this debate.
You are angry about nothing, I didn't even do anything to you yet you have been nonstop hostile to me the past few days.
I don't understand what you are even saying.
Quora killed Yahoo Answers while Google killed Yahoo search.
Yahoo is outdated in every way, as for Yahoo email, only technologically 'I don't care' people still use it.