Then you will win because you will revert to sources and win by appeal to authority.
I can't rebuke you because I can explain it all but can't explain the authority if my source being my brain, another's brain or some dodgy YT video and article.
Change the topic to be that you believe the flat earth can't be explained it functionally work without internal contradiction. I will prove it isn't impossible.
I would accept it Rated if the BoP is to prove flat earth is viable whee the other side has to categorically prove it impossible due to errors in how season work etc.
The disproofs to flat Eartha e all fallacious when you dig a little deeper, such as realising all space photos and videos are CGI or photoshopped.
Idk what you're talking about at this point. If you try the flat earth experiments as a scientist, you get fired and career ruined before you can get the results. It's the same with anything they deem 'too crazy to believe', this doesn't mean the conspiracy is right it just means you can't prove it right if it is. This is why all the experiments supporting it are done by unofficial people.
I am pretty sure that's laced with sarcasm, however I put more effort into my RFD than anyone who voted so far.
If you are curious of an example of what this battle could have been like, see here:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10578-rapping-as-light-yagami-vs-lelouch-vi-britannia-inspired-by-a-rap-battle-on-here
You are free to hate/critique the style, it's just an idea to show you elements of rapping your side could have employed.
On second glance, 'vi' doesn't rhyme with 'I', I have read it wrong and only see things subbed usually (and am not remotely a fan of that anime). That doesn't really take away from the I part though.
RFD (1/7)
Pro did not have as much edge as others are perceiving in this battle. I will explain why, his style was high-sacrifice, high metaphor count. Con was just not as developed as a rapper to win despite aspects above Pro or on par with Pro.
The first flaw of Pro starts at the ending of his second bar (bar is a pair of rhymes):
" I made L take the L, now I’ll crush L2
He prays to gods like me; now he’d do well to!
Simping for his sister, until she was dispensed
The haters wanna hate me, but look who I’m against: "
Not only is this not really like Light's accent in the dub (he doesn't talk like some far-south/southest American) but the accent itself is not held together that much.
Firstly, this is Light Yagami's dub-accent (HUGE SPOILER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SERIES): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlBZHmA-Neo
This guy if rapping this would say 'tuh' instead of 'too' for the 'to' at the end of the second line. However I also wonder if he'd pace and slant 'gainst' quite the same as 'pensed', he wouldn't say 'gaynst' I agree to that but I feel he'd say 'pensed' more long like 'dizpehnsd' whereas as he'd say 'agenst' very fast. I definitely do not believe Light would say 'wanna' ever. His accent is much more of a mid/pan American one. He's say 'want to' and I just don't feel the phrase fits him either. When I say he's not say 'wanna' I mean he'd say 'wanT Teh' he enunciates extremely precisely, it almost is like combining posh British anunciation with American vowels, except he does slightly do the hard R on words where Brits wouldn't but whoever is dubbing it struggled to dub the hard R, which inherently makes it slant more like brits do things in the consonants. They do mimic very pan-American vowels though.
Throughout Pro's Round 1 I am left often thinking, Light Yagami would have said this very differently. Yagami is not actually always trying to word things cleverly, he's more of the 'make that shit sting motherfucker' type guy. He'd want substance over too many metaphors.
Also, every single brother on Earth simps for their sister a bit. The 'bit' is inherent to being a brother, especially an older brother. That's not a diss in rap culture, if you don't slightly simp for your sister, you're not a real man. Period. Simping means to platonically cave into her bitchiness, demands, drama etc in hopes to appease her knowing full well she's not ever being into you as her man. Every guy does this for his sister at least until they eventually cut ties if they do. I firmly believe that Round 1 opener from Pro was terrible.
"Commanded mass genocide twice with poor wording
A higher body count than me, and he’s a virgin
My girl’s a 10, like the age of your wife
The only cycle that you ruined is the circle of life"
Okay, I give it plus for puns. The Round 1 of Pro can essentially be summed up as pun-hungry sacrificial rapping. For instance this bar: "Cause my supporters’ loyalty’s emphatically unstoppable
And winning against me is mathematically impossible"
Has a barb against Near, a character in Death Note, meaning it doesn't apply to his opponent here. Near defeated Light, meaning it was mathematically possible to. This seems to be a bar to imitate Light Yagami maybe but just seems as if he wanted to slap a pun in with decent rhyming that actually doesn't land that hard.
RFD (2/7)
"I’m kinda known for taking out child-killing criminals
And Best.Korea knows killing kids is unforgivable!"
This is honestly negative rated by me. He is completely breaking character here for... no reason. Also 'kinda' is like 'wanna', the real Light Yagami in English dub would not even say 'kind of' he speaks with a direct, blunt tone. He would say 'known for' or 'rumoured to be' etc.
"You can’t fight this chess match, so I’ll tell you the endgame
Like your formalized surrender, I end wars with pengame"
This was very good. I liked this, pun-hungry as it was, it landed well and had good flow.
Light Yagami is Japanese. Near is not said as 'near' it is the name Neil in Japanese (that r vs l the Chinese are often mocked for, is actually even more so a Japanese quirk). The problem is that N is only called N during the anime. We don't hear Light say 'Near' as far as I know. If you are curious Mello's name is actually Merro, I don't know why they do that but they do. There is no 'l' in Japanese by the way, so Idk why Mello's name, L or Light are written that way, it's almost a mockery. Light's name is Raito for example. L's name (not the real first name, the way to say L) is Eru, 'Death' is also impossible in Japanese it's Desu Noto (the first o of Noto is accented). They really dumbed it down for English audience more than for most Animes. I think they assumed they needed to do that to make English speakers say it how the Japanese would. The problem with this is that 'Near' is therefore the erroneous way the Japanese say Neil, spelled to make the English viewer say it how the Japanese would... Except that 'L' isn't spelled Eru, maybe because they knew they can't make a one-letter visual make sense with the phrase Eru, it's literally an extra syllable, not a slight difference.
The reason that this is important is Light Yagami the guy, would never think to do the 'near' pun ever. It just doesn't add up.
Now, when it comes to Con's Round 1 there's more coherence to the rap but it's all so... soft.
"I guess when I am challenged, I will respond,
Respond to every strike, break every pike
My tactics are divine, they are simply effective
My opponent here might be defective"
This even matches that way Lelouch presents himself speech-wise imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_poEorwFt6s
^ Here is an example.
He wouldn't come in all 'gangsta sounding' he really would sound soft despite how badass he is supposed to be. Best Korea embodies this a lot better than Savant does Light Yagami. The problem is that ultimately it's a rap battle, you have to consider that.
While these bars are some overly poetic fancy-worded pair of bars, it just doesn't quite... hurt?
'might be' 'simply' 'I guess'
This phrasing is there constanty in the Round.
"My name is Lelouch vi Britannia
Your name is Light? Wait, really?
You ask for a fight, okay you are silly
A fight? Did you read my bio sweetie?
It says there I am more cool and pretty"
This is funny and incredible rhyming and flow. I loved that the 'I' and 'vi' are even subtle rhymes. This is incredibly skilled but the actual bars are not landing nearly hard enough. These bars are meant to make us laugh though, so I will let that slide. This is a solid stanza superior to Pro's Round 1 stanzas if we talk rap skill.
"I am not afraid of a fight, I fight wars
You hide in your house writing book notes"
Erm... I think Con forgot to rhyme here so I will dock him on the rap skill suddenly.
"People think you are evil, you do it for fame
Consequentialist? Is that a PC game?
You think life is some game that you will fix
I guess your mental age is still five or six
Boy watched movies, now thinks he is batman
I suggest you try to instead become a real man"
The thing is some of this stuff is such a good buildup and lead-up to the bar but the bars are just weak and phrasing like 'I guess' 'I suggest you try' it's all landing so soft.
"Even you think you are evil, so your evil is fact
You are all about saving lives, but thats an act
If sister's life is asked, consequentialist no longer
I like consequences, my moral is a bit stronger"
This makes me think Con used chatGPT to 'turn what Pro said against them' because this seems like a way ChatGPT would 'reverse' Pro's opening bars (within the first 2 stanzas) but to humans it reads cringe and not that harsh.
"I dont really see you as a God, just an upset teen
You didnt really become God, not that I have seen
Continue your arbitrary rampage"
This was actually going places but got cut short for a non-rhyming closer I can't even understand.
"I go to war to win battles, no care and no fear
Maybe I am the God trolling you
Write that in your notebook, will you dear?"
At least the 'dear' matches the earlier 'sweetie' I kind of get what's happening, he's both sonning and feminising Pro as in saying he's the daddy/god and Pro is some sissy son but it doesn't really add up. There's no fire, there's also a lot of 'why is this line here exactly' such as 'Maybe I am God trolling you' doesn't even seem to fit anything other than 'queer' (but Light doesn't present queer at all and is presented as homosexual or asexual throughout, depending how you interpret the way he masks his psychopathy with women, especially Misa). This just seems... unfinished. Con's Round 1 reads like a rapper's first draft of this rap battle, before edits etc.
Now, when it comes to Con's Round 1 there's more coherence to the rap but it's all so... soft.
"I guess when I am challenged, I will respond,
Respond to every strike, break every pike
My tactics are divine, they are simply effective
My opponent here might be defective"
This even matches that way Lelouch presents himself speech-wise imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_poEorwFt6s
^ Here is an example.
He wouldn't come in all 'gangsta sounding' he really would sound soft despite how badass he is supposed to be. Best Korea embodies this a lot better than Savant does Light Yagami. The problem is that ultimately it's a rap battle, you have to consider that.
While these bars are some overly poetic fancy-worded pair of bars, it just doesn't quite... hurt?
'might be' 'simply' 'I guess'
This phrasing is there constanty in the Round.
"My name is Lelouch vi Britannia
Your name is Light? Wait, really?
You ask for a fight, okay you are silly
A fight? Did you read my bio sweetie?
It says there I am more cool and pretty"
This is funny and incredible rhyming and flow. I loved that the 'I' and 'vi' are even subtle rhymes. This is incredibly skilled but the actual bars are not landing nearly hard enough. These bars are meant to make us laugh though, so I will let that slide. This is a solid stanza superior to Pro's Round 1 stanzas if we talk rap skill.
"I am not afraid of a fight, I fight wars
You hide in your house writing book notes"
Erm... I think Con forgot to rhyme here so I will dock him on the rap skill suddenly.
"People think you are evil, you do it for fame
Consequentialist? Is that a PC game?
You think life is some game that you will fix
I guess your mental age is still five or six
Boy watched movies, now thinks he is batman
I suggest you try to instead become a real man"
The thing is some of this stuff is such a good buildup and lead-up to the bar but the bars are just weak and phrasing like 'I guess' 'I suggest you try' it's all landing so soft.
"Even you think you are evil, so your evil is fact
You are all about saving lives, but thats an act
If sister's life is asked, consequentialist no longer
I like consequences, my moral is a bit stronger"
This makes me think Con used chatGPT to 'turn what Pro said against them' because this seems like a way ChatGPT would 'reverse' Pro's opening bars (within the first 2 stanzas) but to humans it reads cringe and not that harsh.
"I dont really see you as a God, just an upset teen
You didnt really become God, not that I have seen
Continue your arbitrary rampage"
This was actually going places but got cut short for a non-rhyming closer I can't even understand.
"I go to war to win battles, no care and no fear
Maybe I am the God trolling you
Write that in your notebook, will you dear?"
At least the 'dear' matches the earlier 'sweetie' I kind of get what's happening, he's both sonning and feminising Pro as in saying he's the daddy/god and Pro is some sissy son but it doesn't really add up. There's no fire, there's also a lot of 'why is this line here exactly' such as 'Maybe I am God trolling you' doesn't even seem to fit anything other than 'queer' (but Light doesn't present queer at all and is presented as homosexual or asexual throughout, depending how you interpret the way he masks his psychopathy with women, especially Misa). This just seems... unfinished. Con's Round 1 reads like a rapper's first draft of this rap battle, before edits etc.
"Your words are empty, like every threat you make
I’ll beat you taking notes while you brag about your name
There’d be no need for war in the world I’d give you
And if I’d died at 19, I’d still outlive you"
This is a bit of really fucking lazy rhyming. Unacceptable from what Pro is capable of. The bars don't even hit hard. Also, maybe it's just me but something about saying Con died young doesn't land right, it's the kind of bar to make the crowd go first 'wtf' then go yikes too far if somehow this battle with Lelouch happened.
"You were but a child, abandoned so soon
It’s clear that you’ve received less love than Table-kun"
This is sheer ignorance or something, Kun is said as in... ironically... 'pun'. It is not said as in 'koon'.
I have to say at this point Con wins if we talk rhyme scheme and flow. ending-wise both are sloppy at different times but internally, Pro doesn't try nearly as much. Con's closer in Round 1 has 'in' win' and even the 'am' in between kind of has the same rhythm to it.
Look at the stanza here from Con's Round 1:
"I am not limited by any moral system
So I dont even need support to list them
Your name is Light, your goal is to be a God
God of Sparkles? You sure have the look,
God who is afraid of losing the notebook"
'limited - moral'
'even need' 'port to l'
'your goal'
'you sure have'
'losing the'
I know 'ing' and 'ure' don't rhyme but you get the idea. There's consistency in ways Pro generally is caught lacking again and again.
It's quite funny that I read someone else's RFD and they say Con ran out after Round 1. I totally disagree, Pro did, Con didn't.
Pro's Round 2 feels like 'say whatever just have some metaphors and references' put in. It's weak. Things aren't landing properly but what does that matter when Con is also barely landing too.
Con's Round 2
"You make lots of assumptions, but all I see is this
You have need to prove yourself, I am taking a piss
You say you would outlive me, not by much
You die as a teen in anime, not exactly God or such"
Aside from the falsehood as Light dies at 23, this is actually a good first stanza. The reason it's so good is because it not only matches the tone of Round 1's opener but justifies how lazy Con is being and that's totally a vibe you can see Lelouch taking here like it's all beneath him and Light's just some irrelevant pest.
'taking a piss' is probably a reference to the British phrase 'taking the piss' which means a combination of not taking something seriously and also mocking it.
"You say that you are fear, but the fear lasted very short
Your loli jokes are not really a funny sort
They are overused treason, God created loli for a reason
You seem pissed about something, not sure what
Maybe trying to be God didnt turn out right"
I kind of get what this is meant to be, it's a deflection of the loli thing with accusation that if Light is God, light made Loli but it is structured so weirdly that to an untrained eye (or ear if this was audible) people aren't catching that reference/pun and that is a pretty consistent issue with Con. Con has some genuinely fire buildups in both Rounds but consistently lands them so soft and 'what do you even mean' vibed.
"You hate what I make
But am I the one trying to be fake?
You pretend to be morally superior
But your loli jokes are inferior"
I mean... Lol... I think Con is consistent here though. Con is dedicating to the vibe that he isn't really trying he just took up a challenge and is basically treating it as going to the urinal, a 'whatever' thing. The thing is though he doesn't stick to the clowning act. That's why it's landing weird. It's not like he's acting funny and 'I don't care' the whole time, he's building up serious bars and landing them soft at times, such as this:
"You say that in your world there are no wars
You say that in your world no one fights or bites
You assume that is what I want
But I am your God, you assume I am not"
It's all reading like he is going somewhere in a snowball manner where three lines later we will get this double entendre that smacks hard but where is it? 'you assume I am not'.
"Lets face it, I didnt need to fake morality to gain rating
You seem to have more issues with my dating
Than I do. I am a virgin, so you hate
Good luck dying from STD mate"
Light Yagami never gets laid. It's arguable he's actually asexual and a psychopath not sociopath. What I mean is I think Light Yagami cannot emotionally or sexually (both) bond with other human beings unless it's like a murder power trip or some severe sadism way beyond standard BDSM.
Light Yagami acts straight, can tell which women are high-status and knows how to be an attractive, fit guy with good social skills but never shows any sign of fucking or actually initiating intimacy wih women beyond holding hands or hanging out.
It's not that he's autistic and socially awkward, it's that he's a psychopath, these are fundamentally different things because there are no lack of social skills or looks etc holding him back.
Ultimately I give the win to Pro but I want it known that this was closer than people think, they just don't get Con's style and that's also Con's fault and greatest weakness because he has no idea how to coherently land most of his punchlines from the build-up to where he was going with it.
this is meant to be a semantics debate, by forcing your semantics in the description like that you've rigged it either for Pro or Con, in this case it's for Pro.
I mean I understood that, I wouldn't say you dying in your sleep or a completely unintentional car crash is suicide, yet if you do things to crash your car intentionally and don't acknowledge that you're probably or definitely dying based on it, that's still suicide, just more akin to self-manslaughter than self-murder.
There is no best option, he would be arrested for possession of a freak weapon or experimented on if they assumed his drug-enhanced performance was natural and he is a freak of nature.
He actually found the best rebuttal possible to my Kritik-esque case but because he kept it as low as 1, it let me simply dismiss it.
If he said 45 more I'd say that can just mean 44 gays and 1 pedo maybe, which he doesn't have another Round to.
He found the exact easiest rebuttal to destruct my case but he didn't expand enough to take it seriously and didn't specify how many more rapes or molestings are happening in his hypothetical.
He also could argue it's agony for pedos to resist their urges and thus I am increasing suffering but I'd make a 'suffering is part of life, the struggle can make you stronger' rebuttal.
Same vibe from you.
If you were an honest debater you'd ask to remake this and delete this or ask voters to give all 7 to the winner, you did neither.
Na actually I'm not doing this. Enjoy a free unrated win.
Get lost.
You tricked me hard you didn't make it winner seelction, I'll remember this
5*10k=50k
3*17K=51k
:)
I can tell you the 2 rules he is violating if you want me to go there.
Make it 3 Rounds, 17k per Round and Winner Selection instead of Multiple Criterion and I'll accept.
Keep it unrated, you can't make WS Rated
I don't know what to say.
That is some shit you never want said on a site you moderate, I would have him begging for mercy just like he did ADOL, if I were in your shoes.
Then you will win because you will revert to sources and win by appeal to authority.
I can't rebuke you because I can explain it all but can't explain the authority if my source being my brain, another's brain or some dodgy YT video and article.
I will lose this debate because of the structure of authority surrounding sources in science on the matter.
Change the topic to be that you believe the flat earth can't be explained it functionally work without internal contradiction. I will prove it isn't impossible.
I am a real flat earther.
I didn't ask you.
Is the round 3 allowed for the site president to say?
Flip this around so you have to categorically disprove flat earth.
I would accept it Rated if the BoP is to prove flat earth is viable whee the other side has to categorically prove it impossible due to errors in how season work etc.
The disproofs to flat Eartha e all fallacious when you dig a little deeper, such as realising all space photos and videos are CGI or photoshopped.
Idk what you're talking about at this point. If you try the flat earth experiments as a scientist, you get fired and career ruined before you can get the results. It's the same with anything they deem 'too crazy to believe', this doesn't mean the conspiracy is right it just means you can't prove it right if it is. This is why all the experiments supporting it are done by unofficial people.
That's always rigged for the Round earther due to what authorities say on the matter, meaning the flat earther is always forced to unreliable sources.
You can remake it if needed
Make the debate Rated and state that Flat Earth is impossible. Right now you need only prove Spherical Earth viable and backed by NASA to win.
Unrated, waste of effort vs reward ratio
Ty for the vote.
For your and everyone's information, you calling it a rap doesn't make it a non poem. Raps literally are always poems.
I wrote it, you chose to take it as a rap.
standard is unrated.
No thanks then, especially not wasting the effort unrated.
Make it rated, define the words 'valid' and 'transgenderism' in your description please.
That's my point. People can say they liked anything more than anything for 0 reasons. It makes this dynamic toxic to risk Rating on no matter what.
free will means you are responsible, not your will but you...
right, yeah, he totally out-poem'd me.
I've learned my lesson with doing anything artistic in a Rated debate. I already know the way it can go.
I am pretty sure that's laced with sarcasm, however I put more effort into my RFD than anyone who voted so far.
If you are curious of an example of what this battle could have been like, see here:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10578-rapping-as-light-yagami-vs-lelouch-vi-britannia-inspired-by-a-rap-battle-on-here
You are free to hate/critique the style, it's just an idea to show you elements of rapping your side could have employed.
I pasted something twice also...
On second glance, 'vi' doesn't rhyme with 'I', I have read it wrong and only see things subbed usually (and am not remotely a fan of that anime). That doesn't really take away from the I part though.
RFD (1/7)
Pro did not have as much edge as others are perceiving in this battle. I will explain why, his style was high-sacrifice, high metaphor count. Con was just not as developed as a rapper to win despite aspects above Pro or on par with Pro.
The first flaw of Pro starts at the ending of his second bar (bar is a pair of rhymes):
" I made L take the L, now I’ll crush L2
He prays to gods like me; now he’d do well to!
Simping for his sister, until she was dispensed
The haters wanna hate me, but look who I’m against: "
Not only is this not really like Light's accent in the dub (he doesn't talk like some far-south/southest American) but the accent itself is not held together that much.
Firstly, this is Light Yagami's dub-accent (HUGE SPOILER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SERIES): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlBZHmA-Neo
This guy if rapping this would say 'tuh' instead of 'too' for the 'to' at the end of the second line. However I also wonder if he'd pace and slant 'gainst' quite the same as 'pensed', he wouldn't say 'gaynst' I agree to that but I feel he'd say 'pensed' more long like 'dizpehnsd' whereas as he'd say 'agenst' very fast. I definitely do not believe Light would say 'wanna' ever. His accent is much more of a mid/pan American one. He's say 'want to' and I just don't feel the phrase fits him either. When I say he's not say 'wanna' I mean he'd say 'wanT Teh' he enunciates extremely precisely, it almost is like combining posh British anunciation with American vowels, except he does slightly do the hard R on words where Brits wouldn't but whoever is dubbing it struggled to dub the hard R, which inherently makes it slant more like brits do things in the consonants. They do mimic very pan-American vowels though.
Throughout Pro's Round 1 I am left often thinking, Light Yagami would have said this very differently. Yagami is not actually always trying to word things cleverly, he's more of the 'make that shit sting motherfucker' type guy. He'd want substance over too many metaphors.
Also, every single brother on Earth simps for their sister a bit. The 'bit' is inherent to being a brother, especially an older brother. That's not a diss in rap culture, if you don't slightly simp for your sister, you're not a real man. Period. Simping means to platonically cave into her bitchiness, demands, drama etc in hopes to appease her knowing full well she's not ever being into you as her man. Every guy does this for his sister at least until they eventually cut ties if they do. I firmly believe that Round 1 opener from Pro was terrible.
"Commanded mass genocide twice with poor wording
A higher body count than me, and he’s a virgin
My girl’s a 10, like the age of your wife
The only cycle that you ruined is the circle of life"
Okay, I give it plus for puns. The Round 1 of Pro can essentially be summed up as pun-hungry sacrificial rapping. For instance this bar: "Cause my supporters’ loyalty’s emphatically unstoppable
And winning against me is mathematically impossible"
Has a barb against Near, a character in Death Note, meaning it doesn't apply to his opponent here. Near defeated Light, meaning it was mathematically possible to. This seems to be a bar to imitate Light Yagami maybe but just seems as if he wanted to slap a pun in with decent rhyming that actually doesn't land that hard.
RFD (2/7)
"I’m kinda known for taking out child-killing criminals
And Best.Korea knows killing kids is unforgivable!"
This is honestly negative rated by me. He is completely breaking character here for... no reason. Also 'kinda' is like 'wanna', the real Light Yagami in English dub would not even say 'kind of' he speaks with a direct, blunt tone. He would say 'known for' or 'rumoured to be' etc.
"You can’t fight this chess match, so I’ll tell you the endgame
Like your formalized surrender, I end wars with pengame"
This was very good. I liked this, pun-hungry as it was, it landed well and had good flow.
Light Yagami is Japanese. Near is not said as 'near' it is the name Neil in Japanese (that r vs l the Chinese are often mocked for, is actually even more so a Japanese quirk). The problem is that N is only called N during the anime. We don't hear Light say 'Near' as far as I know. If you are curious Mello's name is actually Merro, I don't know why they do that but they do. There is no 'l' in Japanese by the way, so Idk why Mello's name, L or Light are written that way, it's almost a mockery. Light's name is Raito for example. L's name (not the real first name, the way to say L) is Eru, 'Death' is also impossible in Japanese it's Desu Noto (the first o of Noto is accented). They really dumbed it down for English audience more than for most Animes. I think they assumed they needed to do that to make English speakers say it how the Japanese would. The problem with this is that 'Near' is therefore the erroneous way the Japanese say Neil, spelled to make the English viewer say it how the Japanese would... Except that 'L' isn't spelled Eru, maybe because they knew they can't make a one-letter visual make sense with the phrase Eru, it's literally an extra syllable, not a slight difference.
The reason that this is important is Light Yagami the guy, would never think to do the 'near' pun ever. It just doesn't add up.
RFD (3/7)
Now, when it comes to Con's Round 1 there's more coherence to the rap but it's all so... soft.
"I guess when I am challenged, I will respond,
Respond to every strike, break every pike
My tactics are divine, they are simply effective
My opponent here might be defective"
This even matches that way Lelouch presents himself speech-wise imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_poEorwFt6s
^ Here is an example.
He wouldn't come in all 'gangsta sounding' he really would sound soft despite how badass he is supposed to be. Best Korea embodies this a lot better than Savant does Light Yagami. The problem is that ultimately it's a rap battle, you have to consider that.
While these bars are some overly poetic fancy-worded pair of bars, it just doesn't quite... hurt?
'might be' 'simply' 'I guess'
This phrasing is there constanty in the Round.
"My name is Lelouch vi Britannia
Your name is Light? Wait, really?
You ask for a fight, okay you are silly
A fight? Did you read my bio sweetie?
It says there I am more cool and pretty"
This is funny and incredible rhyming and flow. I loved that the 'I' and 'vi' are even subtle rhymes. This is incredibly skilled but the actual bars are not landing nearly hard enough. These bars are meant to make us laugh though, so I will let that slide. This is a solid stanza superior to Pro's Round 1 stanzas if we talk rap skill.
"I am not afraid of a fight, I fight wars
You hide in your house writing book notes"
Erm... I think Con forgot to rhyme here so I will dock him on the rap skill suddenly.
"People think you are evil, you do it for fame
Consequentialist? Is that a PC game?
You think life is some game that you will fix
I guess your mental age is still five or six
Boy watched movies, now thinks he is batman
I suggest you try to instead become a real man"
The thing is some of this stuff is such a good buildup and lead-up to the bar but the bars are just weak and phrasing like 'I guess' 'I suggest you try' it's all landing so soft.
"Even you think you are evil, so your evil is fact
You are all about saving lives, but thats an act
If sister's life is asked, consequentialist no longer
I like consequences, my moral is a bit stronger"
This makes me think Con used chatGPT to 'turn what Pro said against them' because this seems like a way ChatGPT would 'reverse' Pro's opening bars (within the first 2 stanzas) but to humans it reads cringe and not that harsh.
"I dont really see you as a God, just an upset teen
You didnt really become God, not that I have seen
Continue your arbitrary rampage"
This was actually going places but got cut short for a non-rhyming closer I can't even understand.
"I go to war to win battles, no care and no fear
Maybe I am the God trolling you
Write that in your notebook, will you dear?"
At least the 'dear' matches the earlier 'sweetie' I kind of get what's happening, he's both sonning and feminising Pro as in saying he's the daddy/god and Pro is some sissy son but it doesn't really add up. There's no fire, there's also a lot of 'why is this line here exactly' such as 'Maybe I am God trolling you' doesn't even seem to fit anything other than 'queer' (but Light doesn't present queer at all and is presented as homosexual or asexual throughout, depending how you interpret the way he masks his psychopathy with women, especially Misa). This just seems... unfinished. Con's Round 1 reads like a rapper's first draft of this rap battle, before edits etc.
RFD (4/7)
Now, when it comes to Con's Round 1 there's more coherence to the rap but it's all so... soft.
"I guess when I am challenged, I will respond,
Respond to every strike, break every pike
My tactics are divine, they are simply effective
My opponent here might be defective"
This even matches that way Lelouch presents himself speech-wise imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_poEorwFt6s
^ Here is an example.
He wouldn't come in all 'gangsta sounding' he really would sound soft despite how badass he is supposed to be. Best Korea embodies this a lot better than Savant does Light Yagami. The problem is that ultimately it's a rap battle, you have to consider that.
While these bars are some overly poetic fancy-worded pair of bars, it just doesn't quite... hurt?
'might be' 'simply' 'I guess'
This phrasing is there constanty in the Round.
"My name is Lelouch vi Britannia
Your name is Light? Wait, really?
You ask for a fight, okay you are silly
A fight? Did you read my bio sweetie?
It says there I am more cool and pretty"
This is funny and incredible rhyming and flow. I loved that the 'I' and 'vi' are even subtle rhymes. This is incredibly skilled but the actual bars are not landing nearly hard enough. These bars are meant to make us laugh though, so I will let that slide. This is a solid stanza superior to Pro's Round 1 stanzas if we talk rap skill.
"I am not afraid of a fight, I fight wars
You hide in your house writing book notes"
Erm... I think Con forgot to rhyme here so I will dock him on the rap skill suddenly.
"People think you are evil, you do it for fame
Consequentialist? Is that a PC game?
You think life is some game that you will fix
I guess your mental age is still five or six
Boy watched movies, now thinks he is batman
I suggest you try to instead become a real man"
The thing is some of this stuff is such a good buildup and lead-up to the bar but the bars are just weak and phrasing like 'I guess' 'I suggest you try' it's all landing so soft.
"Even you think you are evil, so your evil is fact
You are all about saving lives, but thats an act
If sister's life is asked, consequentialist no longer
I like consequences, my moral is a bit stronger"
This makes me think Con used chatGPT to 'turn what Pro said against them' because this seems like a way ChatGPT would 'reverse' Pro's opening bars (within the first 2 stanzas) but to humans it reads cringe and not that harsh.
"I dont really see you as a God, just an upset teen
You didnt really become God, not that I have seen
Continue your arbitrary rampage"
This was actually going places but got cut short for a non-rhyming closer I can't even understand.
"I go to war to win battles, no care and no fear
Maybe I am the God trolling you
Write that in your notebook, will you dear?"
At least the 'dear' matches the earlier 'sweetie' I kind of get what's happening, he's both sonning and feminising Pro as in saying he's the daddy/god and Pro is some sissy son but it doesn't really add up. There's no fire, there's also a lot of 'why is this line here exactly' such as 'Maybe I am God trolling you' doesn't even seem to fit anything other than 'queer' (but Light doesn't present queer at all and is presented as homosexual or asexual throughout, depending how you interpret the way he masks his psychopathy with women, especially Misa). This just seems... unfinished. Con's Round 1 reads like a rapper's first draft of this rap battle, before edits etc.
RFD (5/7)
Round 2
Pro
"Your words are empty, like every threat you make
I’ll beat you taking notes while you brag about your name
There’d be no need for war in the world I’d give you
And if I’d died at 19, I’d still outlive you"
This is a bit of really fucking lazy rhyming. Unacceptable from what Pro is capable of. The bars don't even hit hard. Also, maybe it's just me but something about saying Con died young doesn't land right, it's the kind of bar to make the crowd go first 'wtf' then go yikes too far if somehow this battle with Lelouch happened.
"You were but a child, abandoned so soon
It’s clear that you’ve received less love than Table-kun"
This is sheer ignorance or something, Kun is said as in... ironically... 'pun'. It is not said as in 'koon'.
I have to say at this point Con wins if we talk rhyme scheme and flow. ending-wise both are sloppy at different times but internally, Pro doesn't try nearly as much. Con's closer in Round 1 has 'in' win' and even the 'am' in between kind of has the same rhythm to it.
Look at the stanza here from Con's Round 1:
"I am not limited by any moral system
So I dont even need support to list them
Your name is Light, your goal is to be a God
God of Sparkles? You sure have the look,
God who is afraid of losing the notebook"
'limited - moral'
'even need' 'port to l'
'your goal'
'you sure have'
'losing the'
I know 'ing' and 'ure' don't rhyme but you get the idea. There's consistency in ways Pro generally is caught lacking again and again.
It's quite funny that I read someone else's RFD and they say Con ran out after Round 1. I totally disagree, Pro did, Con didn't.
Pro's Round 2 feels like 'say whatever just have some metaphors and references' put in. It's weak. Things aren't landing properly but what does that matter when Con is also barely landing too.
RFD (6/7)
Con's Round 2
"You make lots of assumptions, but all I see is this
You have need to prove yourself, I am taking a piss
You say you would outlive me, not by much
You die as a teen in anime, not exactly God or such"
Aside from the falsehood as Light dies at 23, this is actually a good first stanza. The reason it's so good is because it not only matches the tone of Round 1's opener but justifies how lazy Con is being and that's totally a vibe you can see Lelouch taking here like it's all beneath him and Light's just some irrelevant pest.
'taking a piss' is probably a reference to the British phrase 'taking the piss' which means a combination of not taking something seriously and also mocking it.
"You say that you are fear, but the fear lasted very short
Your loli jokes are not really a funny sort
They are overused treason, God created loli for a reason
You seem pissed about something, not sure what
Maybe trying to be God didnt turn out right"
I kind of get what this is meant to be, it's a deflection of the loli thing with accusation that if Light is God, light made Loli but it is structured so weirdly that to an untrained eye (or ear if this was audible) people aren't catching that reference/pun and that is a pretty consistent issue with Con. Con has some genuinely fire buildups in both Rounds but consistently lands them so soft and 'what do you even mean' vibed.
"You hate what I make
But am I the one trying to be fake?
You pretend to be morally superior
But your loli jokes are inferior"
I mean... Lol... I think Con is consistent here though. Con is dedicating to the vibe that he isn't really trying he just took up a challenge and is basically treating it as going to the urinal, a 'whatever' thing. The thing is though he doesn't stick to the clowning act. That's why it's landing weird. It's not like he's acting funny and 'I don't care' the whole time, he's building up serious bars and landing them soft at times, such as this:
"You say that in your world there are no wars
You say that in your world no one fights or bites
You assume that is what I want
But I am your God, you assume I am not"
RFD (7/7)
It's all reading like he is going somewhere in a snowball manner where three lines later we will get this double entendre that smacks hard but where is it? 'you assume I am not'.
"Lets face it, I didnt need to fake morality to gain rating
You seem to have more issues with my dating
Than I do. I am a virgin, so you hate
Good luck dying from STD mate"
Light Yagami never gets laid. It's arguable he's actually asexual and a psychopath not sociopath. What I mean is I think Light Yagami cannot emotionally or sexually (both) bond with other human beings unless it's like a murder power trip or some severe sadism way beyond standard BDSM.
Light Yagami acts straight, can tell which women are high-status and knows how to be an attractive, fit guy with good social skills but never shows any sign of fucking or actually initiating intimacy wih women beyond holding hands or hanging out.
It's not that he's autistic and socially awkward, it's that he's a psychopath, these are fundamentally different things because there are no lack of social skills or looks etc holding him back.
Ultimately I give the win to Pro but I want it known that this was closer than people think, they just don't get Con's style and that's also Con's fault and greatest weakness because he has no idea how to coherently land most of his punchlines from the build-up to where he was going with it.
Analysing it rn, uploading vote soonish
Lol. Good thing this is unrated.
this is meant to be a semantics debate, by forcing your semantics in the description like that you've rigged it either for Pro or Con, in this case it's for Pro.
I mean I understood that, I wouldn't say you dying in your sleep or a completely unintentional car crash is suicide, yet if you do things to crash your car intentionally and don't acknowledge that you're probably or definitely dying based on it, that's still suicide, just more akin to self-manslaughter than self-murder.
We will see who wins in the end.
There is no best option, he would be arrested for possession of a freak weapon or experimented on if they assumed his drug-enhanced performance was natural and he is a freak of nature.
He is using banned substances either way.
define 'god' in description please.
Ty for vote.
He actually found the best rebuttal possible to my Kritik-esque case but because he kept it as low as 1, it let me simply dismiss it.
If he said 45 more I'd say that can just mean 44 gays and 1 pedo maybe, which he doesn't have another Round to.
He found the exact easiest rebuttal to destruct my case but he didn't expand enough to take it seriously and didn't specify how many more rapes or molestings are happening in his hypothetical.
He also could argue it's agony for pedos to resist their urges and thus I am increasing suffering but I'd make a 'suffering is part of life, the struggle can make you stronger' rebuttal.
Ty for vote
Are non-English debates allowed?
If you read the debate, I say nearly all of that in Round 1.
Bump for a vote
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Meant the word aggressive is changed to offense, was distracted when I typed that.
ty for the vote, no need to re-vote.