"Victory through every beating
Your power is receding
Time to strike back in my counter attack
Raps so whack they lack
Anything of substance
Just hot air up there
A hot air balloon going up in smoke”
I don’t really get why you’d admit that his bars are ‘hot’ but I get the concept of him breathing hot air as opposed to ‘actual flames’ being the idea here. This was also playing the ‘smog’ line by Dudz back at him, I suppose. Saying you breathe dirtier and more fierce than he ever will.
It was also an elegant build-up flow-wise.
SupaDudz basically has no wordplay highlights because he always builds only across 2 lines and nothing more.
So, with wordplay out of the way, let’s analyse rhyme-scheme and flow.
The reason I like to always analyse these 2 together is because usually you get either a rhyme-scheme specialist, a flow specialist or a bad rapper. Rarely is an all-rounder good but they do exist (such as Chris Webby and Hopsin).
It’s very clear to me that neither of these rappers are close to being flow specialists. They don’t like sliding syllables in a brutal rhyme-scheme either. So… In terms of the technicalities of syllable-usage both are quite weak.
I would say that Dudz is weaker in both categories than T1U is because when Dudz doesn’t rhyme, it almost seems completely accidental every time, which makes it worse. T1U seems to build up to rhymes with non-rhyming lines in some kind of intentional off-kilter poet’s idea of a rhyme scheme.
I don’t quite grasp Dudz’s style of rap when it comes to flow and rhyme-scheme. It’s like he’s not trying, at all. He listens to a lot of rap but unless he listens to trashy mumble rap I don’t understand how he can be spitting lines like:
“Who are you, who are you, some irrelevant peasant
Trying to act tough, when you were really resistant”
“You try to row the boat and catch some flow
But lyrically your rhymes were real shallow
And your just metaphor
Nothing less or nothing more
Don' get her hopes because of the comment
Now I'm about to be more deadly than malignant
Take off the fake face
Cause now your playing chase
Say that your duck hunting
But your shots ain't hitting”
I mean let’s stop there.
Dudz doesn’t try, at all, to make the inside of his rhymes flow well or rhyme with each other at all. Then we see he only ever seems to focus on the last syllable, like literally only that.
“Some flow” and “shallow” are never ever going to properly flow or rhyme in a real rap to the ear drum. “You Try to ROW the BOT and catch some FLOW” This is fine, not a terrible scheme to be building at all but this is followed by: “But lyrically” note that ‘ly-ri-c’lly’ is a ‘ee’ scheme which isn’t at all impressive to follow from an ‘oh’-heavy scheme then “your rhymes were real sha”... Low. Even the ‘shallow’ and some flow’ are paced so differently. In what accent are you going to have the same pause and pacing of ‘some-flow’ to ‘shal-low’? Shallow is a much faster-said word, and ‘sha’ and ‘some’ aren’t the same sound at all.
This wasn’t even the worst verse of his in terms of flow or rhyme scheme.
“The only fairy tale we talking
Is that you think you can go embarking”
I don’t understand how this rhymes or flows. Seriously tell me how. ‘King’ is not enough to say that’s a legit rhyme. “The only fairy-tale we TAAAAW KING” is going to be said slower than “IS-THAT-YOU THINK-you-can-go-em BAR KING… Is that really a sufficient flow to you?
“And I make you cry over the forum
You're gonna for the referendum”
How is ‘make’ and ‘cry’ remotely flowed with or rhymed with in the next line? Forum and referendum have a different paced ‘um’ and build-up to it. This is just again and again, this is not at all flowing rap. If you read it jittery (fast) it doesn’t work and if you read it slow, it doesn’t work either. If you read it medium, it STILL doesn’t work as some are blatantly faster than other parts.
T1U isn’t a great rhymer or flower either but I believe T1U’s background in poetry (where those things matter less than wordplay and depth of meaning) is to blame, more than that T1U is trying and failing at it, I think it’s just T1U didn’t value it that highly
Rhyming ‘current with ‘current’ and having ‘salmon’ in the first verse was a bad first impression but it did, definitely, improve after that.
“I'll keep trying as you keep dying
Taking you down till you go flying
Shooting you out of the sky”
If the syllable following ‘sky’ had beeing an ‘in’ type sound, I’d have definitely given T1U higher than the 14/30 that I gave. This isn’t that good of a scheme as the ‘trying’ internal-rhyme is matched with ‘down’ and ‘out’ internal rhymes but it seems that consistently T1U happily will have broken flow in exchange for superior rhyme-scheme and that’s fine, Eminem (one of the world’s best, of course) is exactly this type of rapper. The issue is that when being a flow-sacrificing rhyme-heavy rapper, your rhymes and wordplay have to be impeccable to make up for it.
‘Living’ and ‘being’ I mean sure, ‘liv’ and ‘be’ are a similar sound but no, the pacing can’t be considered similar enough to be a ‘wow it’s a double-rhyme’. Why repeat words? Really, you do it too much. I repeat words in elaborate schemes at times, sometimes 3 out of like seventeen rhymes (so 6 since it’s 3*2) are a repeating rhyme but you have to make it impressive enough to ‘get away with it’ where the audience is jaw-dropping WOW! At how you pulled
Again, here is a semi-impressive rhyme-scheme play where the flow is clearly sacrificed:
“Your house is made of straw
One breathe and you will fall
Inhale, exhale, you will fail
Take you down wall to wall”
Come on! If you had, had a more ‘da-du-du-du-da-du’ (da is medium, du is fast) line instead of ‘inhale, exhale you will fail’ you would have made me go WOW!
Here is an example of the kind of thing you could have done:
“Your house is made of straw,
Inhale, my mouth gives one breath, you fall,
Exhaling on you, taking all Supa’s worth wall-to-wall,
You whine and wail, pig-fish, free for this orca to maul.”
I get it, that’s a stylistic difference, in your opinion and the finessing of it is something even many pro rappers wouldn’t pull off as good as me (I’m a severe rap expert) but still, do you see how to make what you were doing end up flowing much better off the tongue as its read?
That’s flow. Something you do need to work on if you want to be a legit rapper on the site who people fear.
Overall, you weren’t terrible and you understood the concept of internal rhyming better than Dudz.
The final category is depth of meaning and actual ‘hits’ or ‘concepts’ used.
This is where T1U was brilliant, often using Dudz’s own schemes of insult and metaphors against him.
From being greek to breathing smog, anything Dudz tried to hit T1U with, T1U would actively try and turn it back against him. Dudz did have SOME wordplay going on but I do think he copied some of my idea as by R3 I had begun my battle with T1U and some of his stuff was a bit odd for him (like saying techniques and strategies).
I mean, the one time Dudz played words properly-well so to speak was saying the ‘king of dreams’ is basically someone who dreams they’ll win. He got so offended over the Greek line(s) from T1U that he begins trying to compare himself to the sun and then says he’s only the moon… Okay, then he says the enemy is the sun and he’s blocking him/her out but… Seriously? Like if you actually look at the punchlines of Dudz they just do not make much sense in terms of being an insult. To criticize T1U for being Chinese and embracing their culture (or claiming to) Dudz says China had a comeback and hates muslims, that they are killing off the culture and are a vulture… Wtf? I don’t get what Dudz meant with so many of his punchlines that actually it made me laugh at him more than at the opponent, sorry but it’s true.
T1U - 18/30
Dudz - 5/30
Dudz lost in all categories to a noob (or fake noob).
They are most powerful when together, as the opposition will likely bring another fallacious element of God to patch the broken logic pointed out by that point.
Well, it gets very vague on what's just singing-pop and what's electronic. I admit there's some leeway there but make sure the beat is very obviously electronically edited etc and you're fine. On the other end of the spectrum, it becomes a matter of 'is this really music or just electronic sounds?' but that's not gonna please voters' ears anyway.
'harms' and 'costs' are interchangeable in this debate in my opinion, if you say I changed the word tactically, I'll alter the word to 'harms' but it will be the same 4-step process I offer.
Making the case now, be warned that it is a passionate one made to move the audience, I am going to combat you with emotion just as much as fact and you should not be prepared for me forfeiting or coming in weak.
Made a few S&G errors in R5 but I guess it's obvious, actually some words missed out together make each other flow better. missed a 'me' here and 'are' or something but whatever, it was a closing Round, the others shine through better that was just showing off flow and punchlines.
Psychological slip. In order to separate himself from his alt, he typed without punctuation on 'magicaintreal' when he says 'Yeah sorry man' but has had OCD punctuation in almost all other posts/comments.
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The degree of 'ill' that the equipment of Capitalism is, with regards to Climate Change, is unimaginably huger in magnitude and proportion to that of Socialism and anarchy.
You can insult me harsher, I will insult you better.
Rap is an art, not just a science. It's kind of like playing against a math genius in poker, you start to realise that they have tendencies and are assuming you do too. So you use their accurate reads against them by out-thinking the maths and entering psychology and how dumb they think you are.
You may be smarter than me, you may insult harsher than me, but your flow and metaphorical-stacking as well as just pure beauty of the punchlines and how the build-up to them was... It won't be as elegant as mine and that's why I'll win.
I don't care if you call me mentally ill, I agreed to 'no rules' in the debate description. I will win, regardless and match your style (and then counter it).
Thanks for your vote. I conceded the freeing of slaves being Republicans, not the giving of voting rights being them. The voting right to blacks was Democrats.
RFD Part 6/11
"Victory through every beating
Your power is receding
Time to strike back in my counter attack
Raps so whack they lack
Anything of substance
Just hot air up there
A hot air balloon going up in smoke”
I don’t really get why you’d admit that his bars are ‘hot’ but I get the concept of him breathing hot air as opposed to ‘actual flames’ being the idea here. This was also playing the ‘smog’ line by Dudz back at him, I suppose. Saying you breathe dirtier and more fierce than he ever will.
It was also an elegant build-up flow-wise.
SupaDudz basically has no wordplay highlights because he always builds only across 2 lines and nothing more.
So, with wordplay out of the way, let’s analyse rhyme-scheme and flow.
The reason I like to always analyse these 2 together is because usually you get either a rhyme-scheme specialist, a flow specialist or a bad rapper. Rarely is an all-rounder good but they do exist (such as Chris Webby and Hopsin).
It’s very clear to me that neither of these rappers are close to being flow specialists. They don’t like sliding syllables in a brutal rhyme-scheme either. So… In terms of the technicalities of syllable-usage both are quite weak.
I would say that Dudz is weaker in both categories than T1U is because when Dudz doesn’t rhyme, it almost seems completely accidental every time, which makes it worse. T1U seems to build up to rhymes with non-rhyming lines in some kind of intentional off-kilter poet’s idea of a rhyme scheme.
RFD Part 7/11
Score:
Rhyme-scheme intricacy:
Dudz - 7/30
T1U - 14/30
Flow fluidity:
Dudz - 3/30
T1U - 9/30
I don’t quite grasp Dudz’s style of rap when it comes to flow and rhyme-scheme. It’s like he’s not trying, at all. He listens to a lot of rap but unless he listens to trashy mumble rap I don’t understand how he can be spitting lines like:
“Who are you, who are you, some irrelevant peasant
Trying to act tough, when you were really resistant”
“You try to row the boat and catch some flow
But lyrically your rhymes were real shallow
And your just metaphor
Nothing less or nothing more
Don' get her hopes because of the comment
Now I'm about to be more deadly than malignant
Take off the fake face
Cause now your playing chase
Say that your duck hunting
But your shots ain't hitting”
I mean let’s stop there.
Dudz doesn’t try, at all, to make the inside of his rhymes flow well or rhyme with each other at all. Then we see he only ever seems to focus on the last syllable, like literally only that.
RFD Part 8/11
“Some flow” and “shallow” are never ever going to properly flow or rhyme in a real rap to the ear drum. “You Try to ROW the BOT and catch some FLOW” This is fine, not a terrible scheme to be building at all but this is followed by: “But lyrically” note that ‘ly-ri-c’lly’ is a ‘ee’ scheme which isn’t at all impressive to follow from an ‘oh’-heavy scheme then “your rhymes were real sha”... Low. Even the ‘shallow’ and some flow’ are paced so differently. In what accent are you going to have the same pause and pacing of ‘some-flow’ to ‘shal-low’? Shallow is a much faster-said word, and ‘sha’ and ‘some’ aren’t the same sound at all.
This wasn’t even the worst verse of his in terms of flow or rhyme scheme.
“The only fairy tale we talking
Is that you think you can go embarking”
I don’t understand how this rhymes or flows. Seriously tell me how. ‘King’ is not enough to say that’s a legit rhyme. “The only fairy-tale we TAAAAW KING” is going to be said slower than “IS-THAT-YOU THINK-you-can-go-em BAR KING… Is that really a sufficient flow to you?
“And I make you cry over the forum
You're gonna for the referendum”
How is ‘make’ and ‘cry’ remotely flowed with or rhymed with in the next line? Forum and referendum have a different paced ‘um’ and build-up to it. This is just again and again, this is not at all flowing rap. If you read it jittery (fast) it doesn’t work and if you read it slow, it doesn’t work either. If you read it medium, it STILL doesn’t work as some are blatantly faster than other parts.
T1U isn’t a great rhymer or flower either but I believe T1U’s background in poetry (where those things matter less than wordplay and depth of meaning) is to blame, more than that T1U is trying and failing at it, I think it’s just T1U didn’t value it that highly
RFD Part 9/11
Rhyming ‘current with ‘current’ and having ‘salmon’ in the first verse was a bad first impression but it did, definitely, improve after that.
“I'll keep trying as you keep dying
Taking you down till you go flying
Shooting you out of the sky”
If the syllable following ‘sky’ had beeing an ‘in’ type sound, I’d have definitely given T1U higher than the 14/30 that I gave. This isn’t that good of a scheme as the ‘trying’ internal-rhyme is matched with ‘down’ and ‘out’ internal rhymes but it seems that consistently T1U happily will have broken flow in exchange for superior rhyme-scheme and that’s fine, Eminem (one of the world’s best, of course) is exactly this type of rapper. The issue is that when being a flow-sacrificing rhyme-heavy rapper, your rhymes and wordplay have to be impeccable to make up for it.
‘Living’ and ‘being’ I mean sure, ‘liv’ and ‘be’ are a similar sound but no, the pacing can’t be considered similar enough to be a ‘wow it’s a double-rhyme’. Why repeat words? Really, you do it too much. I repeat words in elaborate schemes at times, sometimes 3 out of like seventeen rhymes (so 6 since it’s 3*2) are a repeating rhyme but you have to make it impressive enough to ‘get away with it’ where the audience is jaw-dropping WOW! At how you pulled
RFD part 10/11
You just can’t do this:
“F- a- reason,
Reason for l-,
Reason for b-”
This is cheating the concept of internal rhyming.
Again, here is a semi-impressive rhyme-scheme play where the flow is clearly sacrificed:
“Your house is made of straw
One breathe and you will fall
Inhale, exhale, you will fail
Take you down wall to wall”
Come on! If you had, had a more ‘da-du-du-du-da-du’ (da is medium, du is fast) line instead of ‘inhale, exhale you will fail’ you would have made me go WOW!
Here is an example of the kind of thing you could have done:
“Your house is made of straw,
Inhale, my mouth gives one breath, you fall,
Exhaling on you, taking all Supa’s worth wall-to-wall,
You whine and wail, pig-fish, free for this orca to maul.”
I get it, that’s a stylistic difference, in your opinion and the finessing of it is something even many pro rappers wouldn’t pull off as good as me (I’m a severe rap expert) but still, do you see how to make what you were doing end up flowing much better off the tongue as its read?
That’s flow. Something you do need to work on if you want to be a legit rapper on the site who people fear.
Overall, you weren’t terrible and you understood the concept of internal rhyming better than Dudz.
The final category is depth of meaning and actual ‘hits’ or ‘concepts’ used.
This is where T1U was brilliant, often using Dudz’s own schemes of insult and metaphors against him.
RFD part 11/11
From being greek to breathing smog, anything Dudz tried to hit T1U with, T1U would actively try and turn it back against him. Dudz did have SOME wordplay going on but I do think he copied some of my idea as by R3 I had begun my battle with T1U and some of his stuff was a bit odd for him (like saying techniques and strategies).
I mean, the one time Dudz played words properly-well so to speak was saying the ‘king of dreams’ is basically someone who dreams they’ll win. He got so offended over the Greek line(s) from T1U that he begins trying to compare himself to the sun and then says he’s only the moon… Okay, then he says the enemy is the sun and he’s blocking him/her out but… Seriously? Like if you actually look at the punchlines of Dudz they just do not make much sense in terms of being an insult. To criticize T1U for being Chinese and embracing their culture (or claiming to) Dudz says China had a comeback and hates muslims, that they are killing off the culture and are a vulture… Wtf? I don’t get what Dudz meant with so many of his punchlines that actually it made me laugh at him more than at the opponent, sorry but it’s true.
T1U - 18/30
Dudz - 5/30
Dudz lost in all categories to a noob (or fake noob).
I'll vote.
I'll vote
Elon Musk and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are puppets of NASA, to use them as reliable sources is hilarious.
They are most powerful when together, as the opposition will likely bring another fallacious element of God to patch the broken logic pointed out by that point.
Well, it gets very vague on what's just singing-pop and what's electronic. I admit there's some leeway there but make sure the beat is very obviously electronically edited etc and you're fine. On the other end of the spectrum, it becomes a matter of 'is this really music or just electronic sounds?' but that's not gonna please voters' ears anyway.
http://www.humanreligions.info/god_is_impossible.html
bump
'harms' and 'costs' are interchangeable in this debate in my opinion, if you say I changed the word tactically, I'll alter the word to 'harms' but it will be the same 4-step process I offer.
the deep enough line refers both to being shallow and 'high'
Making the case now, be warned that it is a passionate one made to move the audience, I am going to combat you with emotion just as much as fact and you should not be prepared for me forfeiting or coming in weak.
Please, do the same investigation process for bifolkal and the other 2.
that you'd get*
DDO is debate.org
Made a few S&G errors in R5 but I guess it's obvious, actually some words missed out together make each other flow better. missed a 'me' here and 'are' or something but whatever, it was a closing Round, the others shine through better that was just showing off flow and punchlines.
Change 'song' to 'song-average' and then option 2 is correct.
haha, that was a cute noob-tell try.
Psychological slip. In order to separate himself from his alt, he typed without punctuation on 'magicaintreal' when he says 'Yeah sorry man' but has had OCD punctuation in almost all other posts/comments.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqyRjXYqQDo
No, you're not. You threatened to beat a guy into a fucking coma in this debate comments section itself, earlier.
I did, it's why I began to fear your vote-terrorism and after 1 vote on your debates, stayed away unless I voted for you.
You reacted as predicted, not too unreasonably for a criminal-minded thug.
come battle me boys
Congrats, shame they couldnt do it for me vs alec.
Islamic
Ethical: relating to beliefs about what is morally right and wrong.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ethical
Ethical: relating to beliefs about what is morally right and wrong.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ethical
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Abortion: An object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abortion
Your naivety is hilarious.
I take it you are in middle-upper class and have been your whole life, yes?
Do you comprehend what taxes are good for?
Canada, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand all directly disprove this notion.
Social Democracy can and does work. Socialism doesn't work.
Soc-dem =/= dem-soc
when you vote pls take note i meant smaller, not huger as i didnt realise i meant the 'ill'
The degree of 'ill' that the equipment of Capitalism is, with regards to Climate Change, is unimaginably huger in magnitude and proportion to that of Socialism and anarchy.
SMALLER NOT HUGER
God, the father of Jesus himself, will cure them all, just like he did in the black death.
Don't debate whiteflame on microbiology, he will murk you worse than an ebola virus.
I did actually use 'is that' twice. whatever. Still dope enough.
"The thing" and "is that" are linked. It makes sense when you sit back and read it slower.
I realise it can be confusing where 'is that' came from in a faster reading.
You can insult me harsher, I will insult you better.
Rap is an art, not just a science. It's kind of like playing against a math genius in poker, you start to realise that they have tendencies and are assuming you do too. So you use their accurate reads against them by out-thinking the maths and entering psychology and how dumb they think you are.
You may be smarter than me, you may insult harsher than me, but your flow and metaphorical-stacking as well as just pure beauty of the punchlines and how the build-up to them was... It won't be as elegant as mine and that's why I'll win.
I don't care if you call me mentally ill, I agreed to 'no rules' in the debate description. I will win, regardless and match your style (and then counter it).
Why would you want freedom when you can have harmony instead?
In a few days, bifolkal will vote for him with just as many points, be worried.
makes them simply*
The microbiologist, annihilated by the common cold.
Thanks for your vote. I conceded the freeing of slaves being Republicans, not the giving of voting rights being them. The voting right to blacks was Democrats.