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@airmax1227
so why didn't you help it then, all these years?
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@Wylted
that is not moral, the head feels like its neck and body are all burning most likely.
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@Wylted
Did you mean conscious? Killing them while they are conscious is not any less ethical than drugging them or knocking them out, prior to slaughter
Do you know the difference between slow and fast death experience?
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@Wylted
Chickens panic hard when held upright with their wings trapped.
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@Wylted
chicken should be upside down before its throat is slit. This forces it to die fast and rushes blood to its head so its unconscious rapidly while its lung has rapidly collapsed and body is in a state of sleep.
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@Castin
He isn't a Christian, reminds me of Brother D's style of trolling. Look how he talks about religion.
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@Wylted
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Scumbag traitor, this is a callout thread,
But you're too laissez-faire to lock it like a rasta's dread,
You ditched the debating community as it screamed and fled,
Don't let your president position get too far into your head,
You're the one to lead your people but when they're bleeding, you're in bed,
Snake-ass motherfucker, bled populace is shed,
You're quite honestly emotionless, robotic as it gets,
Always out for power, you're a coward with your bets,
Strolling in when the site's at its weakest to make the meekest of threats,
As Ramshutu said, who the fuck is this man to not invest for all the profit that he gets?
You made a mockery of policy, 'gold medal' cheated, you owe so many debts,
Better pay up on your way out or understand a scorned DART never forgets.
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@Double_R
Why are all the companies except AstraZeneca having absolutely 0 liability? Government sworn to secrecy and paying full lawyer bills, Argentina has military bases as collateral to Pfizer.
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@Double_R
What matters is that study after study seems to show that the mRNA vaccines are more effective than the J&J and AstraZeneca. That’s all that matters.
Why is that all that matters? Do you know what mRNA hijacking your body's cells can result in in the long run? Not just myocarditis.
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@FLRW
Then use it for cancer research, no need for a virus.
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@spacetime
Of course, he has to come back when there's power to gain.
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something what will hijack my cells?
That will hijack their cells*
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@Mikal
I hate to put you on the spot and there are people that have read this and prob wondering why you aren't responding to RM. The reason you are ignoring him as you outlined? You find the end result of that conversation unproductive?
Fascinating
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The mRNA vaccines produce an excellent initial immunity against the original, alpha and delta - and the effectiveness is dropping off over time - as it is for the other vaccines too.
Until March, they haven't adapted the mRNA to omicron, so what's your point?
I am also curious what precisely is this mRNA strand? You are injecting into people's bodies something what will hijack my cells? Sound sketchy...
Why are all the companies except AstraZeneca having absolutely 0 liability? Government sworn to secrecy and paying full lawyer bills, Argentina has military bases as collateral to Pfizer.
Psychopaths, corporations and the same old right-wing tyranny at play.
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@Barney
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@spacetime
Even if you pasted that to mock me, thank you for reiterating the dodged question.
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@airmax1227
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Very true, I actually avoid seafood altogether in terms of restaurants and cooking.
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@airmax1227
I also don't want anyone to think that because of this, there are things I'm just going to avoid because they are complicated or might make me look bad
Nobody thinks that at all, don't worry. Everything's okay in your safe space.
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you can't get antibodies for something just because of some little protein mRNA replica from a virus, you need the proper strand, fully, as the antigen that your body reacts to.
that is how vaccinating works
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@Double_R
Is your contention that Pfizer and Moderna do not produce antibodies? Cause there is no other conceivable word in your own definition that squares with your claim that they are not vaccines.
What exactly are they? As in what is the mRNA 'antigen' if it's not based on Covid Sars like AZ and J&J are?
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or the English language: it seems.mRNA vaccines are a substance put into the body to protect them from diseases by producing antibody’s. So by that definition. It’s a vaccination.
Let me give you a clue how English works, a plural is never achieved by adding an apostrophe and an 's' after the singular.
As for the science, I have wanted to understand something specific. What exactly tricks the body's cell into thinking it is infected with a virus and why is this in any way better than genuine vaccination against a harmless non-replicating version of Covid?
The way it appears to work is it tricks your body's cells to take it in, to begin with, then the cell thinks your whole body is under attack, however... How is the body producing the correct antibody if the thing injected isn't actually properly based on Covid Sars like AZ or J&J are?
There is something seriously missing in the methodology, like a secret step or something else. The only way this is different to AZ and J&J is you're not actually being injected with a completely non-replication 'version of' the disease that isn't the disease causer itself but a very close replica. Instead, what is the mRNA that lands on the cell?
As in, how can it be an antigen if it also isn't based on the original disease and then your body is making the correct antibodies that even can defeat future variants?
They never explain this part. Instead, it's as if what's being injected is an ongoing thing that will alter the white blood cells bit by bit, which is why boosters are needed to refine it over time as it loses 'memory' and 'shape' quite rapidly.
How many endless boosters will be needed? I just want to understand because I have never before seen a vaccine for a disease where your dosage is not only twice in the same year but approaching 3 per year if the pace is maintained.
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@Mikal
to clarify you won't respond to someone if it means humiliating them is the only way to respond, or if you think it's unproductive to respond because there is no end goal?
Whatever excuse he needs.
anyway as for you, I think you need to learn what real lyricism is:
epilepsy warning
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@airmax1227
I hope I never create a perception of simply trying to avoid anything, and if anyone does believe I'm simply trying to avoid something, please let me know and I'll try to assuage those concerns.
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Let me guess, now Lunatic and Mikal need to bully me for 2 more weeks so you stay silent and can't reply to me. No worries man, stay quiet.
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A bit like this website for instance, that you couldn't give the slightest iota of shit about until presidency came your way.
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This is the kind of ignoring others will receive when they ask you things if they speak their mind against you, it's just a question of how much you feel you can use them for your agenda, isn't it?
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A vaccine is what AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are.
Pfizer and Moderns are not vaccines. The entire scientist community has lost its marbles.
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@airmax1227
Can you release an official, direct statement about whether you support or condemn Lunatic's and Mikal's conduct in how they've campaigned against your opposition and behaved throughout this phase of pre-election?
Do you endorse how Lunatic and Mikal carried themselves and treated Ilikepie5 and myself during this election?
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In many nations at the moment you can't book yourself manually onto AZ or J&J if they default you to Pfizer or Moderna, so research walk-ins it may require you to take transport to get to the place if it's not within walking distance of any kind but if you're serious about getting vaccinated without mRNA risk, that's worth doing.
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Take AZ or J&J, that is actual vaccination not mRNA being injected to alter your body cells.
If you can't, then take mRNA if you absolutely have to for health reasons.
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@Danielle
What kind of safety concerns are attached to the U.S. vaccines?
We have no clue yet but when they make us take booster 6 and 7 enough mRNA will have altered cells to begin to notice genuine clues and signs potentially, which will be explained away at first as a coincidence if it happens as the governments are liable, not Moderna or Pfizer.
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@badger
As someone who grew up as a farmer (you've said elsewhere here), please contribute, I will enjoy to see it.
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@Polytheist-Witch
@Lemming
WARNING FOLLOWING POST TEACHERS CHICKEN SLAUGHTER METHODOLOGY, PERFORM AT YOUR OWN PERSONAL RISK PRACTISE AND UNDERSTAND FIRST BE RESPONSIBLE TO YOUR ANIMAL.
Let's focus on chickens then.
The method that your typical 'western' farmer may be a modern gas method (not painful like what you're thinking, very rapid death, they don't know it's coming, not panic or stress).
Alternatively the oldschool humane way to kill them runs like this.
You grab the chicken, and turn it upside down, unlike many mammals, birds don't experience a huge resistance to blood flow to their head overflowing their brain, instantly calming them and distorting a huge portion of reality.
DO NOT ever HOLD A CHICKEN UPSIDE DOWN UNTIL YOU ARE LITERALLY GOING TO KILL THEM, IT CAUSES LUNG COLLAPSE FOR THEM.
You wait until it has stopped struggling entirely which can simply just take up to 1 minute but the wait is crucial, then just in case it's still feeling, you slit 2 sides of its neck (front of neck)in two horizontal/diagonal (not down but out to the side) cuts one either side of the neck, this method is much better than the 'clean cut' method because of how a bird's anatomy works. If you cut deep towards the trachea as oppose to what I said, you make everything more painful and the rush of agony can force their brain conscious again.
The slits I mention will bleed out in no time. Make very sure to cover their eyes just in case their brain hasn't had enough blood rush to it yet to cut off all sensation. Chickens assume darkness is safety, involuntarily, and enter a drowsy state.
You will find that Kosher methodology is much more brutal, slow and dragged out. Halal method depends on the slaugtherer, some take it serious and study the humane way to kill and adapted to turn them upside down first before the bleeding. Others... Nope... Just cut and bleed even with it upright or sideways, only turning it upside down after it was sideways to begin with.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Sure, it starts with a culture hating animal abuse for pressure to work towards better treatment of the average farm animal within that culture's region of influence.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Why would it have nothing to do with killing method? Do you think somebody who doesn't respect an animal while killing it treated it well while it was alive?
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@Lemming
Temple Grandin is one of the greatest (proudly autistic) pioneers of animal rights for cows in the history of humankind, I appreciate that she wanted to teach Kosher slaughterers a way to alter their methods to be less extremely cruel but they are still crueller than they need to be, significantly so.
Her focus wasn't on Kosher methods anyway, it was on general factory farming methods.
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@Wylted
I will say Trump was raised in a new thought church, with similar belief systems as Neville Goddard.
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@Lemming
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@Lemming
So... How is this more humane than bolt-gun killing the brain, with very little sign beforehand that you're gonna do it (lack of panic in the animal) and very swift bleeding out where the animal isn't conscious at all for any of it?
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@Lemming
You are pasting some things but your links don't say 'kosher' the other link mentions Halal but doesn't specify the method used.
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@Lemming
Did you actually read what Temple Grandin said about Kosher methodology?
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@Wylted
Before the throat part, the stunning part
yeah that's 100% banned in kosher
a bolt gun is banned for Halal but some use methods of stunning though the efficacy is debated.
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@Lemming
both methods sound attempts to kill animals with 'less pain or fear, rather than more.
Can I ask you something before I elaborate on the methods, what is it you believe an animal genuinely feels?
Let's take a proper full grown mammal cow, not just a chicken.
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