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@zedvictor4
And such a simple concept.
Your "concept" is completely devoid of sense.
Refusing to explain your "concept" and making an unfounded ad hominem attack certainly do you no favor, now does it?
So, how about you settle down a bit, stop the anger and explain your nonsensical "concept".
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@Tradesecret
Well, if someone can have a relationship with God (which is a concept) one could therefore have a relationship with reality.How does one have a personal relationship with reality?
In practical terms, a relationship with God would involve having hallucinations.
In practical terms, a relationship with reality would involve being walloped over the head with a piece of 4 x 2 when you least expect it.
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@BrotherDThomas
An we are merely talking hypothetically anyway.Therefore I gave you chapter and verse showing your biblical ignorance where our God has human attributes,
And so far as the Bible goes...it is so convoluted, indecipherable, is full of ambiguity, anecdotes, gross inaccuracies and outright lies that it has not one ounce of credibility.
But let's flip back to your dreamworld...as the myth goes.
"Attributes" can mean anything and there is no reference about God being a man and that He is subject to the law of the land".
Now, back to the real world.
IF God were really real and committed so many acts of atrocity, greater than any known leader on earth, there would be mass rebellion all over the world and he would be overthrown. But oh, no. Everyone (who is deluded that is) just turns a blind eye.
Why would that be?
Because they are deluded and spend their lives burying their heads in the sand when anything dares confront them.
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@BrotherDThomas
Huh? I beg to differ because we are told that we are made in the IMAGE of our serial killer God! Notwithstanding, Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate that had a human body in the same IMAGE as ours! HELLO?!
We may be told such nonsense but rational, level-headed people such as myself do not take a bar of it.
We were not made and certainly not to look like some entity who is supposedly invisible.
There are no such things as God, Yahweh or Jesus.
You are profoundly deluded.
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@BrotherDThomas
This is surely more than a bit rich coming from someone who admits to believing in God and that Jesus is a confirmed entity.Unfortunately, you have some serious issues in understanding rational thought and simple English,
It is a fact that you are deluded.
Do you want proof.
Just ask and ye shall receive.
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@Athias
I think it goes a bit further than that though.They use the lack of submitting material evidence as information for their arguments of ignorance
Whether or not an atheist has the burden of proof has no practical use anyway since it is impossible to prove the absence of something.Similarly it is impossible to prove nothing.
So, in fact, it is a convenient cop out for a theist to demand such an absurd task.
In any case; so what if the absence of God cannot be proven? That in no way places any validity whatsoever on the claim by theists that God exists.
It would be a totally absurd world if we could validate any and every assertion purely because "it can't be ruled out".
Similarly, society would be in total shambles if our legal system was based on the premise that "if you assert your innocence you must prove it"
Asserting innocence in a court of law has absolutely no onus of proof. The positive assertion (you are guilty) has the burden of proof.
So, why don't theists get off their high horses and stop making impossible demands of others in some vain attempt at trying to divert the topic...."Prove your assertion that God exists?"
Not anybody, has ever done so, neither has anybody ever come up with one single shred of evidence.
A claim (positive assertion) made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Those who believe in God should stop trying diversionary tactics in order to avoid the obvious: there is no such thing as God.
They would do a lot better for themselves and the community at large if they took positive steps towards dealing with their delusion
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@BrotherDThomas
Well actually he is technically correct you know.Murder is unlawful killing. God cannot break the law. You are expressing a delusional position
To start with God is not a human being and we can pretty well accept that He is above the law.
He can kill people and, as is His custom, he can and does kill whoever he bloody wants at anytime he wants.
But it would not be murder.
As Christians point out, "it is God's will".
And God will be a ruthless, cruel merciless bastard.
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@Mopac
How is this for a piece of factual blasphemy then.Anyone who accuses God of murder is a blasphemer, not a Christian.
According to the Bible, God murdered at least 1.3 million people (and we are excluding the Great Flood here) including women and children.
Satan murdered 26 adults.
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@Mopac
I'd like to reiterate my opinion that atheists who do not respect the subject matter of this forum only serve to lower the level of discourse and reduce this forum to garbage.
I can't speak for other atheists since I haven't been here that long but I challenge you to quote one piece of "garbage" that I wrote.
I'll save your time on that one because there is not one piece of garbage that has come from my direction.
In fact I have raised the level of discourse quite considerably since I came here.
If you are in fact just making up your assertion just because you disagree with the discourse, it's just stiff cheeses for you because you are going to get an awful lot of it in the future.
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Does your personal relationship with God interfere with your personal relationship with reality?
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Father: Hey son, don't you think it's really great that the two of us are driving through the wild outback here in Aṉangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara. Maybe we will get to experience some real Aboriginal culture.
Son: Yeah sure Dad. Hey, what's that up ahead on the road. It looks like an Aboriginal guy lying there.
Father: He's what you call an Aboriginal Tracker. He has special highly honed spiritual abilities you know. His religion is The Dreamtime which is the original and only authentic religion in the world. Because he is spiritually attached to the land he can actually listen to what the Gods are saying just by placing his ear to the ground. Say, son, let's pull over and find out what he is finding out. You might learn something here.
Son: Oh well Dad, this is really exciting.
Father: Hello there. We couldn't help but notice you lying there with your ear to the ground. What can you tell us?
Aboriginal Guy: Ehhh well, ya see dat little dot way along there in da distance?
Father: Oh yeah. It must be miles away. I can barely see it.
Aboriginal Guy: Ehh well, dat's a silver pickup and in da cab is a fella an his missus. In da back is four kids an a dead kangaroo wot day just hunted.
Father: Wow, and you can tell all that just by lying there with your ear to the ground?
Aboriginal Guy: Naaaah, you stupid whitey fella. I just fell off da back of da bluddy pickup.
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@Zaradi
He needs to evolve past the monkey stage first.What happened to becoming a monk?
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@zedvictor4
No.Can you comprehend this?
And I don't think that anyone with half a brain could even begin to comprehend what the heck you are going on about.
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@Alec
Well yes, the Pope exists. But does that mean that God exists?If God doesn't exist, how did the pope come into power? Even atheists acknowledge that the pope exists.
If you go back into history you will find out how the Roman Catholic Church came to be and how it amassed power. And that is what it was all about; power.
History will also show you that religion has always been a matter of those in authority using the fear of God to command control of the masses who were by and large uneducated and ignorant of the facts.
Nowadays civilised society is not influenced by religion and people have access to knowledge and good education. There is no valid reason whatsoever for anybody to believe in supernatural phenomena. Those who do actually believe there is a God are deluded. However most people who claim to believe in God, in fact, do not but use religion as a means to better their own interests. For example, politicians and community leaders who will use religion as an "image booster".
There is no such thing as God.
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@Alec
From the 8 (count them, 8) points that I clearly outlined in my post. If you would like me to further clarify any of them I shall do so. So far nobody has validly refuted any of those points, in this thread and all other threads where I have thoroughly backed up my statements with the same facts.How is any of this accurate?
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@Alec
I also sent you a friend request, if you want to be friends.
Yes, but you cancelled it.
You shouldn't take things so personally. I am not a militant by any means but have found that if you don't beat things up a bit the impact will be lacking. Shoot for the stars and you will get to the moon.
For example,I know that Ethong is a gentle lamb in real life, but look at his posts.
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@Alec
Why are you basically a militant atheist?
Come on.
Why do you lack a sense of humour?
And why don't you do something and post a satirical ditty about atheists ....
...instead of sneering from the sidelines?
By the way......when you played sport at school, did they always have you sitting on the reserves bench?
Just asking.
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@Alec
But will God show up?They show up; it's called church school.
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@Vader
That is a complete contradiction, or at least an admission that you will take it for granted that the child will die.Athiests would let the child die. Christians pray for it's salvation and soul in heaven
And for your effing information, I'm an atheist and I pledged my help unreservedly and unconditionally without the sly, negative remarks.
And all you can do is nothing but wait till she dies.
Disgusting, to say the least.
Are you prepared to turn your disgusting view around and pledge some money now?
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@Alec
That is an insult to humanity.What does she need the money for?
While you are sitting in the back row sneering, I at least had the guts to unconditionally do something about it.
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@ethang5
I know a little girl in Ghana that needs 10,000 Ghana CEDI's ( their unit of money) which comes to $200.
Yep sure, I'll gladly send the money. Just message me the details and I will arrange straight away.
Sure as Hell, God won't.
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@Vader
Who said it was a joke?Only funny joke you have made. Please applaud yourself
I was making a deliberate sideswipe at the total absurdity of Christians believing such a ridiculous myth.
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@ethang5
Thank you for your questions.Is Australian Dream time absurd? And is it more or less absurd then racism?
The Dreamtime, like any religion, is absurd. Since all other religions are derivative of Dreamtime, are they necessarily any better?
I don't think so because Christianity, for example, has spiraled along a hopeless tangent of violence, obsession with perversion, guilt, jealousy, fear, and dominance and has gotten away from the strong meaningfulness and grassroots of the Dreamtime.
The Dreamtime is all about being a part of the land upon which you live and the intimate connection and understanding you have with all matter.
As to whether the Dreamtime is more or less absurd than racism is certainly a very challenging, if not cryptically encoded question; one which I am not really qualified to answer.
Perhaps you would have more experience in that area and could post an appropriate answer.
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@Tradesecret
Did you never learn to read? The word "nothing" in my first sentence is curiously missing from your parody which I have underlined for your convenience. Missing that one word changes the entire meaning of the sentence. Please remind all of us what a double negative does for a sentence. Come back when you learn to read. A good book to read is "How to read a book". It may well provide you with a better grasp of language, logic, rhetoric, and genre.
Never mind about the why's, whats, and wherefores.
You said: "I have said and maintained that homosexuality is a sin and a departure from God's plan"
You are homophobic and bigoted against homosexuals.
It's quite alright to come out and admit it you know. We all have our weaknesses.
For example, I have a weakness in buying expensive guitars and hitting the Tequilla.
But at least I don't skirt around the issue by saying "Oh well, it depends what you define as expensive, and you should look up the true meaning of "guitar", oh, and for all you know, I only have one shot of Jose Cuervo every week (even though it is more like one bottle every weekend).......etc.
Yes, we can all have fun by taunting with syntaxes but in the end, who are you fooling?
Yup, you guessed it. God.
Most folk nowadays get peed off with the daunting reality that everywhere one goes one is being watched (and recorded) by surveillance cameras. You can't even pick your nose anymore.
But I could only imagine what it would be like to feel that not only every single little thing one does is being watched (and recorded) but also every thought and intention that goes through one's head.
It must be one heck of a mindfu*k.
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@Dynasty
The burden of proof on you to prove that claim.
What do you want me to do? Lift up every single stone and grain of sand in the universe to prove that there is no sign of God?
You can keep on being as pedantic and arrogant as you like but the fact is that you have absolutely no viable retort whatsoever to the issues I raised.
Not one.
"Well Sal, I think that you are wrong and I contend ".............." because "............."
Oh no, instead we get, "What makes you say that?"
"Oh, and Sal, there is a God, because the overwhelming evidence of "................" proves such.
Oh no, instead we get, "In reality, there is such a thing as God and we were created. How about that?"
Which is simply a reversal of the exact words that I used.
I'm afraid that if you want to engage in intelligent discussion you need to do a lot better than that sort of snotty pre-school banter........
.........and actually have the guts to say something.
The alternative, of course, is to admit the obvious:
"Yes, Sal, you are of course right and you have used sound logic in the presentation of the issues raised both in this thread and the other confronting issues you exposed in other threads. No, I don't have any evidence nor reasoning to refute what you say and because I am in a position of no return with my beliefs I must resort to extreme, illogical and meaningless tactics in a vain attempt in making it look like I am standing my ground. You have to appreciate though that I intend to visit the appropriate professionals in order to deal with my delusions."
Now, suggesting that is neither arrogant nor preposterous. It's being correct.
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Thinking of becoming religious in the hope of leading a meaningful, righteous life or are you just a little bit "God-curious"?
Despite the fact that religious organisations such as Christian churches have been steadily losing members in droves over recent years there are still die-hard followers who are only too keen to bring you down to their level and try to convince you with all sorts of devious explanations to join their particular brand of belief.
So, here are a few of the common tricks these apparently over-friendly people will try to put past you in order to suck you into their webs of deceit and lies.
* God is real: There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever, not even a single shred, as to the presence of God or any other supernatural being.
* Evidence of God cannot be disproven: Completely absurd since it is impossible to disprove something that hasn't even been proven.
* Existence of God is beyond the realm of science: This is the latest deceptive trick in saying something that is completely meaningless and obvious at the same time since, how would anyone know that anyway? There is no such thing as "beyond science".
* God is love: A completely contrived metaphor designed to appeal to your emotions.
* You will be a better person: Rubbish. There have been studies that reveal religious people are no more or less happy or honest than normal people.
* You have a spirit and an afterlife: This is the ultimate guilt-trip religious nuts will lay on you. Of course, they don't know there is some sort of afterlife and they are using the "Hell alternative" as a dishonest fear tactic to lure you.
* Many people have believed in God for centuries: So what? Many people have believed in all sorts of superstitions such as witches, ghosts, and fairies for centuries but does that make them real?
In reality, there is no such thing as God and we were not created. We know for sure how life started but nobody knows yet how matter came to be. There are many theories but the theory of God and creation has been long since thrown out the window and modern, civilized society has moved on way past clinging onto primitive, naive superstitions.
So, You be the judge and ask yourself the question, "Am I that gullible and impressionable as to believe a load of utter tripe for the benefit of a few dishonest charlatans whose business it is to manipulate others for their own personal gain?"
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We all know that atheism is not necessarily anti-theism (although there may be some atheists who are anti-theists) since atheism is merely a neutral position of being without religious belief.
However, Since it is theists who have devised a belief beyond the norm, would they not have to reject being neutral in order to maintain their peculiar thoughts and practices?
Furthermore, since, in modern civilized society everyone has access to high-quality information and education, wouldn't theists need to go to extreme lengths of rejection and denial of facts in order to keep on believing what they do?
Therefore, theists must surely be not only anti-atheists but also anti-factual, anti-realists and anti-social?
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@ethang5
The compulsive genius spamming the board with the mono-topic drone and bad jokes is the"in crowd".I can see the crowds now fighting to be just like you. Lonely, friendless, bitter and banned from every other moderated site he's been on.You better make room.
That certainly is an interesting and intellectual argument that you have contributed, albeit rather cryptical.
Perhaps you would like to expand upon your eloquently executed dialogue with particular reference to the subject matter.
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We all know that evolution by natural selection is an irrefutably established fact.
Not only is there an over-abundance of evidence and proof but there are still more and more scientific findings pouring in by the minute to further broaden our understanding of how we got here.
For example, bone fragments found in Siberia recently from the daughter of a Neanderthal mother and Denisovan father. Show a distinct "joining" of different species leading to our current species, Homo sapien.
A few months ago evidence from Mt Carmel in Israel shows the earliest signs of migration from Africa by modern man around 180,000 years ago.
Scientists are now able to match archaeological and paleoenvironmental records to document behavioral change by modern humans in response to climatic variation. Artifacts show a shift from the larger and clunkier tools characterized by teardrop-shaped handaxes, To the more sophisticated and specialized tools of the Middle Stone Age. These tools were dated to 320, 000 years ago, the earliest evidence of this kind of technology in Africa.
What recent evidence of creation has been discovered?
Nil.
How much evidence of creation to date has been accumulated?
Nil.
Creationists have concocted what they call "Creation Science" which really is not a science but is a branch of creationism. Nevertheless, In the absence of actually finding any evidence these so-called (pseudo) scientists spend their time trying (unsuccessfully) to pick holes or find fault with evolution science.
For example, the Piltdown Man fiasco was heralded as "the missing link" in the evolutionary chain of human evolution. Finally, We could pronounce for sure that man had descended from apes. The fossil evidence was a hoax. And who said it was "the" missing link? A creationist. Even by then (1953) the evolutionary links between species had been firmly established.
The so-called discovery of Noah's Arc in 2007 also turned out to be a complete hoax.
So, Creationists as a last resort will always crawl back to the Bible to try and punch some holes into the watertight evidence of evolution.
"We are really in damage control over the slight discrepancy over the age of the earth so let's try telling them that, Nowhere does the Bible state that the earth is 6000 years old. "
Quite right there guys, However through deductions of the lineage of Adam to the Great Flood we get 6000 years (even less if you allow for the exaggerated ages of people back then claimed by the Bible).
"Ah, Ok then, Let's pitch in with the one day equals 2 billion years concept. To God, that's right since he's been around for eternity and does everything on a big scale. "
Uh, Uh. Sorry guys. A day is a day is a day by any interpretation of the word and the Bible's claim of 6 days is grotesquely incorrect and pretty well puts the seal of "Totally Discredited" on the Bible right after the first few pages.
So, We seem to have about 958,769 pieces of evidence and thousands of authoritative papers confirming evolution and, Wait for it:
Zero evidence and numerous hoaxes and excuses in support of Creation.
If creationists ever disprove evolution (and at this rate it just won't happen, will it) what will happen?
Are they going to claim that "Therefore, Creation is true and God exists"?
Yes, No doubt they will.
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Well, they wouldn't have fitted into the Arc otherwise.
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Did you know that you are a very special person and that God has a unique blueprint for you?
God cares specifically about you. When you think about it, that is so incredible in that out of the 10 to the power of 24 planets that God created, He chose Earth for you to live on.
But wait, there's more because when God decided to create you, He especially chose one out of 2 million eggs and one out of 100 million sperm.
"Get out of here", I hear you cry.
Apparently, about 38 weeks before I was born, God planned a special cocktail party and made sure that my Mum and Dad were invited. What were the chances then? Wow.
Pretty conclusive then isn't it, that there was nothing random about how we each got here?
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First of all, You need to gather the kids in a classroom.
Then never show up.
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@Mopac
True Religion as I said, is to abide in The Eternal Way of Truth.It has always been this way. True Religion has always existed.That is something you aren't interested in understanding, so you dismiss it outright.
I'm not that particularly interested in understanding such dictatorial nonsensical rubbish. I would leave that to a professional such as a psychiatrist to explain why there are people who have a need to let the world know that they are a sandwich short of a picnic.
My understanding is that I would feel like a complete dork going around blurting out that sort of unmitigated tripe.
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@ethang5
It rather stands to reason that if God was the one who invented religion, there would be many holy books and many forms of worship trying to imitate the original.
Wrong.
Reason would dictate that if God did invent religion, God would be real and if God were real we would certainly know about it. Therefore, there would be no reason to make up different texts and different Gods. You would have to be a complete nutter in light of the fact that God exists and of course (if He is anything like say, the Christian God) He would be displeased and instantly dispose of said texts and lock up the instigators in funny farms.
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@ethang5
No. You said it, in post #5. And he's now asking you about what you said.
Now, if I'm not mistaken and, I concede that sometimes I do get it wrong but perhaps you could give me your objective advice, sitting there on the sideline.
So far as I'm concerned all religions are unconventional and absurd.
Now, perhaps with your balanced judgment and overwhelming intellect you could do a synopsis on that reply and advise everyone out there whether or not that does constitute a valid reply.
Oh, and of course, you are going to be level-headed and constrained enough not to let your own bias influence your judgment, are you?
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@ethang5
Something that cannot be proven, therefore cannot be disproven either. Pink elephants and all.
I think maybe you had better re-think your (lack of) reasoning if indeed you did actually put any thought whatsoever into such an absurd statement.
Are you aware of the term nonsequitur?
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Hey there dudes. Like, what's happeninnnnn?
You learned eons ago that there is no such thing as the tooth fairy and Santa Claus is just a cute hoax even though you go along with it anyway so you can get all those gifts at Xmas time.
But there is still one myth that you can't shake off. Yes, of course, it's all that religious crap that your olds get you to learn every Sunday when they send you along to the local brainwashing centre, uh, I mean Church. And we know why they do that, don't we? Yesssirree, they just want to have a bit of "quiet time alone together" on Sunday mornings.
So, here's a bit of timely advice from someone who had to go through the same dreary routine every Sunday morning.
Get kicked out of Church. Yep; I know, I know that it sounds a bit rad but follow these helpful tips and before you know it you'll be out on your ear from that scary, odd building with the funny pointed roof.
* Step 1: Fart. That's right. After all, it's a perfectly natural bodily function and the resonance from that hard wooden pew will certainly make a lasting impression on the entire congregation.
* Step 2: At convenient times throughout the Pastor's sermon, jump up onto your feet, punch the air and yell out at the top of your voice a loud and resounding "Ohhhh Yesssss". If that doesn't work, then go to the next last resort step that's bound to diss the collar off of any Holy Joe.
* Step 3: Make sure you have your pocket full of marbles and wait for the Lord's Prayer. After "art in Heaven" (they have a lot of paintings up there you know) drop one marble onto that hard, hollow wooden floor which conveniently slopes towards the pulpit (you're sitting at the back, okay). Then, after a while, drop two, pause, then three.
Just as the wishfully indulgent utterings get to the "forever and ever" bit, drop the whole bluddy lot onto the floor.
Before you know, it will be "Amen" for sure so far as your immediately foreseeable tenure at "thy house of delusion" goes and you will be off to the skateboard park or playing Mortal Combat with your mates just like all the normal kids do on Sundays.
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@n8nrgmi
there’s a load of other scientific factoids in that book. i highly recommend it. clearly there’s something deeper going on with NDEs than just hallucinations.
There is not one single relevant "scientific factoid" in that excuse for a book.
And there is nothing deeper except deeper hallucinations.
The entire book is about as shallow as Paris Hilton's intellect and makes not one statement and instead alludes by questioning.
It is an utter piece of unmitigated rubbish.
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@zedvictor4
You tell me since it was you who said that there are conventional religions so I therefore assumed that you, through inference, was saying that there are unconventional religions.So what is a "non-conventional religion"?
So far as I'm concerned all religions are unconventional and absurd.
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@ethang5
Please go on posting Aussie tinged stupidity.
I'm sure that if you took a trip to Aṉangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara lands in the state where I live and tell that to the locals you would come away wearing a boomerang around your head.
Fact: The Australian Dreamtime religion is the first, original and most copied religion.
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@zedvictor4
Yes, you could be onto something there.That is to ask, might everything have evolved in exactly the same way previously and might everything evolve in exactly the same way in due course?
I have briefly touched on the hypothesis that, if there is indeed a God there is no way that such an entity could just happen to get there and to say that God has just always been there is a lazy man's way out.
We have already irrefutably proven evolution through natural selection so is it possible that God evolved in the same manner?
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@EtrnlVw
Wrong.For starters the Creator is not subject to any environmental factors in any way,....
The (alleged) creator is subject to environmental factors in all ways.
And extensive research of all environmental factors reveals not the slightest evidence of any creation. In fact, overwhelming and irrefutable evidence has completely discounted the notion of creation.
To infer that there is any sort of realm beyond the physical environment is totally wrong and absurd.
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@ethang5
Such a droll piece of face-slapping wit reminds me of a couple of themes for a few topics to get to my 26 quota for the day.What church do you belong to?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If you are referring to something else then please reread post 26 and this time actually respond to it rather than simply ignoring it...
Oh yes of course. I must be an abject failure to humanity for obviously not responding to your pertinent and eloquently worded post. What was I thinking of and, Oh my God, how remiss of me? I shall never get over the total feeling of anguish and trauma.
Let me try at least to make amends and herewith tender my humble reply and promise to never ignore thy mastership ever again; never ever.
Ahemm, my considered response is:
Do you go out often?
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@ronjs
Researching the different religions reveals that born again Christianity is unique compared to all others.
And it just happens to be the one that you subscribe to.
Right?
The absurdities, lies, and deceit are certainly unique, don't you think?
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@ronjs
Researching the different religions can determine which is most tenable.
That is like trying to choose the best apple from a box entirely full of completely rotten, putrid fruit.
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@ronjs
Yes, they all have their unique characteristics but the Bible has the most significant ones.
I thoroughly agree with you there.
It would be fair to say that there is no other book with so much perverted sex, gratuitous violence and killing, exaggerated myths, gross inaccuracies, and outright lies.
It certainly gets off to a great start with a complete absurdity:
"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth".
Pull the other one.
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@Pinkfreud08
Many times older than the religions that copied it such as Islam and Christianity.the old time religion
And still very alive and virtually unchanged.
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@zedvictor4
Lobster Telephone Strawman Haha.
"Kerrist"
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@Tradesecret
I was in complete agreement with you.My point above was simply that many religions point to the fact of an original. You turn this on its head
And I perfectly illustrated the point with how Christians share food and drink wine.
OK, so BWS's and Four X were not around 40,000 years ago.
But I bet the Abos were making some kind of beverage made from mashed witchery grubs fermented in goanna urine.
"Hey fullas. Dis is da body (rips off a piece of blue tongue flesh) and dis is da blood (gulps a copious quantity of "wine")" and before you can say lickety-split the whole tribe is chanting songs and looking up at the sky.
Sure, the didgeridoo has been replaced by a pipe organ but there is no denying the similarities and how the Christian Church did in fact rip off the original religion; The Dreamtime.
I'm going for a walkabout now in search of a few Boags.
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