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@zedvictor4
@Sir.Lancelot
@Skipper_Sr
@21Pilots
@Allah
Someone mention me in a comment real quick, I need to test something for ui
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Looks like Casey is mechanically confirmed, so forget my earlier read.
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@ILikePie5
Casey has some pretty clear town tells, and I'm not seeing those so far. Casey tends to be more active and decisive as town, which they aren't as much in this game, plus I trust my gut a bit on their behavior. The way they defended Vader is what I would expect if they were partners. I'll read through more of Casey's posts and try to flesh this out a bit more.
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@n8nrgim
Aliens existing wouldn't be a supernatural claim like many religious arguments
The criteria for supernatural is "against the known laws of physics," right? Because as soon as something supernatural is proven to exist, it's just nature. (And the known laws of physics get updated all the time, quantum mechanics being just one example.) So if you are claiming that UFOs violate these laws, it's arguably supernatural.
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reasonable room to say it might be extraterrestrial
Sure. "Might" is a low bar, after that it's a matter of arguing how likely each given theory is.
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@n8nrgim
A UFO is just an unidentified flying object, and plenty of those exist. With how many illegal aliens are out and about, there's a good chance an alien is operating one of the UFOs.
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@AdaptableRatman
I never once said he edited it.
Sorry, I remembered wrong. I think it was Lancelot who thought he edited the post.
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@whiteflame
@Sir.Lancelot
@AdaptableRatman
@LucyStarfire
Ok, now I'm confused. Apparently LucyStarfire saw the original version, since the citation they gave wasn't in the edited version. And they said it just looked like a misspelling of a word.
However, it looks like zedvictor posted the poem 10 hours before AR reported the post and like 24 hours before Lucy quoted it. Look at the times on the thread. How is it possible zed edited his post that long after posting it? I thought posts become permanent something like 30 minutes after you make them. When I go to the post I made 6 hours ago, there's no option to edit it.
So zedvictor must have made a post that got removed, yes? Even if whiteflame wasn't the one to remove it? AR probably saw the first post zedvictor made and assumed he had edited the second poem. And from what I can tell, people seem pretty split in their interpretations of whether the second post was intentionally suggestive or just a misspelling of a word.
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@Mharman
One of them should have grabbed a screenshot then.
They didn't have the chance if zedvictor edited it before they banned him.
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@Mharman
Edited version of the post is still visible, which means it wasn't removed, just edited by zedvictor.
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@FLRW
Three days is just a slap on the wrist.
Maybe, but what would the sentence have been otherwise? Is the leniency due to the offense or the fact that zedvictor deleted the post on his own? A ban of a few days can also be a pretty big deal on a site where debate rounds have strict deadlines. Haven't really seen this play out, but a mod could ban their opponent to force them to forfeit a round.
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@Sir.Lancelot
The edited version was acceptable, but he edited it too late. Either it was screenshotted, or the mods saw the original and took action.
Raises an interesting question. If a post crosses the line, but the poster deletes it as soon as someone complains, are they still punished? Based on this, it looks like the answer is yes, but it does seem like a case where the mods could be a bit more lenient. The situation had already taken care of itself. Message here seems to be "never delete content you post that crosses the line, because you will be punished regardless."
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@Mikal
wf saw it as well
All right, I'll ditch that theory.
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Could be ResurgetExFavilla and Mikal from the way they are interacting, maybe Luna's in on it too if the plan is to fake mod confirm Mikal. I think faking that is very doable, all Mikal would have to do is ask the mod whether he'd confirm alleged posts he made. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's what happened.
Castin and Mikal also don't seem to really be on the same page, not sure if I should be sussing that. If they're town, they should generally agree, if they're scum, then maybe they just want to independently look townie.
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@Mikal
VTL Vader
Don't see a better case for anyone else at this point. WF has a point about the even number of players, but the game is big enough that a night kill could be skipped for some reason, or two people might die one night.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Immediately after being called out by Adaptaple, zedvictor edited his post to make Adaptable look insane or like he was lying.
Ok that makes more sense. I assume the original poem was more graphic than just misspelling "come"? I get why mods might have deleted the evidence, but this keeps causing a lack of transparency. At least having the bannable content viewable from the ban log for 24 hours would explain the reasoning better.
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@Skipper_Sr
@LucyStarfire
"zedvictor4 has been banned for 3 days for posting explicit content that strongly implied pedophilia content"This makes it sound like he posted links to child porn, not some joke poem.
Cum on guys, I'm sure the moderators would never make a mistake.
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Actually Unvote. I think Mharman would probably put more than one vanilla in a game this big.
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@Vader
I want a full character claim please
Sure, I'm a vulture. I can easily be dealt with by knocking me back into the air, so I'm vanilla.
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@Castin
@Vader
@ResurgetExFavilla
@Mikal
Won’t make me lol any better but vanilla. The copper variation of your item is the starter item you get and because how common it is in vanilla
Nope, I'm vanilla.
VTL Vader
Only hesitation is why wouldn't Vader use a fake claim if scum have them? And maybe there could be multiple vanillas in a 15-player game. But I don't think we're getting a better lynch today.
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@Lunatic
a claim the mod gave me
Why phrase it as "a claim the mod gave me" and not "a role the mod created"? We know scum have fake claims, calling it a "claim" is almost saying it's fake.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
@iamanabanana
Scum would probably be quick to throw him under the bus though too for town cred I think.
They don't have to yet though. Luna is the top suspect because he made himself the top suspect.
Well I haven't played forum mafia in ages and DDO is gone so no. But it's very common in live mafia.
I mean maybe that's the difference. In live mafia you don't have as much time to come up with a sophisticated strategy, so getting mad is the easiest to come up with under pressure. In forums scum can plan things out together, run posts by each other, etc. so it's easier for them to keep their cool.
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@iamanabanana
who are your scum reads?
Probably someone on Luna's train. Just too big an opportunity for scum to pass up if Luna is town, plus I rarely see a genuine train emerge this quickly.
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@iamanabanana
Interesting that you come in and defend lunatic when Mikal also had you in his POE with lunatic
Sure I guess. Probably better to just lynch me over Luna since I'll be busier than I expected this game. If my plan was to keep Luna alive though, I'd have told him not to crash out. It rarely works, and Luna will probably be lynched this game despite my protests, unless I get myself lynched.
why the difference in interest and activity this time around?
Because I'm coding the new website almost entirely by myself, and DART could go dark at any moment so I'm working almost around the clock.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Once you reach a certain point, sometimes blowing everything up is the best choice and hope that some other target emerges in the chaos.
Single link to an example? I've played a decent number of games and never seen it. Luna blowing up like this makes him the easy lynch. Would have been much easier for another target to emerge if scum Luna had played it cool or let his scum buddies redirect attention.
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@Casey_Risk
AR was the one who crashed out in that game
And he was town, wasn't he?
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@Mikal
I'm caught up. Reconsider this Luna read, dude. I've literally never seen scum beg to be lynched (plz find one example if you can). And Luna is choosing to go nuclear just because they're being scum read. If Luna was scum, they could play it cooler and let their scum team help them out.
Also, this strategy never works for avoiding lynches. Someone will be like "go ahead lynch me idc" and we lynch them and they're town. Almost every time. I will not be voting Luna today unless there's a very good reason to change my mind.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
@Mikal
Sorry for not posting much. Working basically around the clock on the new site, but I will try to participate in this game still. Rn I'm getting caught up.
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@JoeBob
NPC is a common internet insult, and "in before" means preempting a response from someone else. So I'm anticipating that someone else might call me an NPC.
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I'm an NPC
In before "I know, but what are you in the game?"
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@Mharman
Also, scum were given fake claims
How many? Enough for all of them?
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@Swagnarok
he could provide a lot of financial support to the campaign of whoever that person ends up being
If he can't get that to work with a party that actually has a chance of winning, I don't see why he'd have a better chance of success backing a third-party candidate. If they get big enough to win, they get big enough to throw him under the bus, same as a Republican or Democrat.
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Also fine keeping the DART logo or just making fancy text
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@WyIted
1 is the only one that will look nice scaled down. But I'm also not clear on what it's supposed to represent.
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@21Pilots
Did you design these yourself?
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@LucyStarfire
Just go to https://web.archive.org/save and the wayback machine will archive the page for you. Then you can just save the url. Oftentimes there's a version already archived.
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@Barney
@Sir.Lancelot
I'll admit it seems a bit inconsistent to hold a new user to a harsher standard than other users who were familiar with the CoC. It's true the user in question didn't post anything productive, but they barely got the chance to with how quickly they were banned. I do think Lancelot has a point that the rules were unclear, and even if they weren't, a new user probably wouldn't be as familiar with them. Only the mods know exactly what was posted, but from what I can gather, a warning may have been more appropriate. For all we know, the user in question might have immediately apologized and agreed to follow the rules.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Try Start a fight between the Christians and Muslims.
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@AdaptableRatman
The allow Mharman to do it???Why do they ban Chap470 and allow Mharman to do same stuff?
Ironic that permabanning chp470 brought 10x more attention to their comment than it would have otherwise gotten and directly led to that Holocaust debate.
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