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@FLRW
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@Mall
If you don't want children, don't have sex. Plain and simple.
Incel talking, plain and simple.
It's just like playing with matches. If you don't want to get burned, it's nothing to play with.
If you imagine sex is justlike playing with matches, then you are imagining it wrong.
The problem is, people misuse sex. So we have all this issue.
Incels never misusesex.
Unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy.
Yes, of course, unwantedpregnancy is why you can’t get laid.
Stop making a game between yourselves out of lying down.
Of course it’s not agame, it’s more like a sport.
These are matches you playing with. The responsibility is not running from the consequences.
When women run away fromyou, I don’t think it has anything to do with matches.
Take the responsibility not to engage. Just like with the use of alcohol. Drinking games and whatnot. So we have all these DUIs and vehicular homicides.
Incels are justmore responsible, that’s all.
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@3RU7AL
What is the form of an electron, is it in the form of a particle or a wave?an electron exhibits both particle and wave properties, a concept known as wave-particle duality
You said you were a monist, you supposedly don't believe in duality.
an electron has mass
And a photon doesn't, so what.
"particle" is a form"wave" is a form
Particle and wave are mutually exclusive forms.
Temporally speaking, a wavehas a periodicity, and spatially, it is spread out in space, a particle cannothave a periodicity, nor can it be spread out in space. A particle has adiscrete location in time and space, a wave does not, a wave spread out over alarger region of space and time. A wave has amplitude and a frequency, itexhibits the phenomena of diffraction and diffusion, a particle does not.
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@3RU7AL
So you are making a claim that matter exists.The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, prove the existence of matter.the keyboard you are typing on qualifies as undeniable and conclusive proof
Restating your faith-based assumption and saying it qualifies as undeniable and conclusive proof of your faith-based assumption isn't a proof by any stretch of the imagination. Besides just proclaiming that your faith qualifies as proof, do you actually have an argument?
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@zedvictor4
I think that BK underestimates the human computer somewhat.
I think every time BK does a post, an angel somewhere gets dummer Zuzu.
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@3RU7AL
In order to perceive the different grades of being, one must have the ability to understand them. The different grades of being give way to the strength of influences on a person. Intellectual understanding is the attribute of humans, the rational animal.if the defining characteristic of "free-will" is the ability to cause things that are not determined by the universal law of cause-and-effectthen accumulating experienceand processing that accumulated experience in order to apply it in an effective and intelligent manneris contrary to its defining characteristicaccumulating experience and processing data makes it subject to "previous events" which we commonly refer to as "causes"
That is not the defining characteristic of "free-will".
Almost every argument against Free Will presupposes determinism without establishing determinism as a fact. Determinism is not a conclusion of science, on the contrary, science has demonstrated conclusively that reality is not deterministic. The philosophical doctrine of determinism is nothing more than an archaic and failed concept that is unscientific and completely faith based.
The attempt to deny the self-evident experiential reality of human consciousness and the associated fact that we are morally responsible causal agents is a very extraordinary claim and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the unfounded and completely faith-based belief in determinism doesn’t constitute extraordinary evidence by any stretch of the imagination.
The strongest argument for the existence of free will is that we all observe it during every conscious moment, it is a fundamental and significant part of our experiential reality at all times, hence it is self-evident. Consequently, the denial of free will is necessarily a rejection of the very concept of empirical evidence, and the argument against Free Will becomes a rejection without “proof”, which eliminates induction as valid. These two aspects of the approach clearly reject the very basis of science and scientific knowledge, leaving nothing but detached abstractions that have nothing whatsoever to do with the real world.
Philosophy is concerned with saying something which is true or significant, science with doing something which is effective. Science is about the real world, grounded in perceiving and doing, the argument against Free Will is completely abstract and invalidates both perception and doing, it is a complete rejection of science as valid, and philosophically it amounts to a rejection of the very basis of truth and significance.
In the end, there is no valid basis upon which the rejection of Free Will can be said to be true of reality.
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@3RU7AL
Are you an atheist?deist monist taoist
The burden of proof is on you, prove your metaphysical claims.
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@3RU7AL
there is no such thing as form without matterthere is no such thing as matter without form
So you are making a claim that matter exists.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, prove the existence of matter.
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@Greyparrot
Energy is a form.
What is the form that kinetic energy takes? How about heat? What form is gravity?
Dark matter is formless.
Nope, turns out it has a blob form LOL.
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@3RU7AL
Energy is a form.Dark matter is formless.dark matter is nearly but not completely undetectablethe form that we are able to detect is rather like a large blob, based on its gravitational signature
The form of dark mattter is blobular LOL.
Hilarious.
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@3RU7AL
They are not seperable in Reality. The mind can seperate them to use reason to know them further.there is no such thing as form without matterthere is no such thing as matter without form
What is the form of an electron, is it in the form of a particle or a wave?
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@TheUnderdog
I don't know what that is, but I know it isn't thinking
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I don't always think, but when I do, I think six things at once.
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@Mall
I wonder what laws you broken .
Witch hunt, politically motivated, travesty of injustice, deep state is behind it, vast conspiracy, it was all rigged!
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@Greyparrot
An hour of blessed silence with a NDA. So nice.
I doubt he was silent when she spanked him.
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@Greyparrot
I seriously doubt anyone here is rich enough to own a woman. Lease, maybe.
I heard you can get an hour of Stormy Daniels for $130,000.
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@Greyparrot
I'm glad we were able to easily sway your opinion.
C'mon, Hunter was an addict in denial, I never heard of such a thing, of course it means Biden is unfit to be president, who ever heard of an addict denying they are an addict, Biden should resign.
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@Greyparrot
You know that Sidewalker is saying that Trump is teaching Satan, don't you?Exactly. Tell him to read the latest memo
He might be pure evil, 34 felony convictions, 88 indictments, and all that....
...but Biden's son filled out a form wrong, so of course that justifies Trump's crime wave.
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@Best.Korea
Also, Trump is a christian.
Oh pulease, Trump is not a Christian.
He has weekly sessions with Satan to become more evil.
I'm not sure what Trump charges him for the lessons though.
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@Double_R
6th Amendment exists.Yes it does. So are you going to make an argument as to how it’s relevant or just keep implying it?
The cult tells them what to say, it does not tell them why they are told to say it,
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@Greyparrot
I suppose the next step will be assassination.
Yes, we will either zap him with our Jewish Space Lasers or give him cancer with our wind turbines, maybe both.
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@3RU7AL
this is a very important point
Is it more waah, waah, waah?
THEISTS often DEMAND that an ATHEIST "justify their disbelief"
Frogs often bump their ass when they hop.
THEISTS often DEMAND the ATHEIST "explain why" they disbelieve
Frogs often don't know why they bump their ass when they hop.
and the ATHEIST is puzzled by this demand
If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump theirass when they hop.
because they do not "disbelieve" for any reason
because when you can fly you no longer need tobump your ass when you hop.
they are simply, NOT-A-THEIST
They are simply not bumping their ass.
imagine it as a synonym for the term christians often use to describe NON-CHRISTIANS
Imagine that the frog is an atheist frog.
imagine asking someone to explain why they are a NON-CHRISTIAN
Imagine asking the frog to explain why he is an atheist.
i'm sure they'd likely say something like "i never decided to become a christian" or "i don't know why anyone would become a christian" or "i remain unconvinced"
I'm sure they'd likely say something like, “ribbit, ribbit”.
think for a minute
Thinking, thinking...
at what point did you decide to become a NON-MUSLIM ?
You see the world through the “us/them” thinking of your religious fundamentalism, but I reject your religious fundamentalism because it is rooted arbitrarily in a narrow-minded ideology.
You stand the various religions side by side so you can draw lines horizontally between them and find great differences, but these are the surface level differences, cultural differences of form rather than content, solely exoteric differences.
I draw them vertically along a graded scale of ascending religious discernment in esoteric recognition that every religion has, underlying their various and conflicting literal meanings, a transcendent dimension, which is essential, primordial and universal.
Ontologically speaking, my faith is in a transcendent Unity, commonly referred to as God (but not always); and using a vertically graded worldview it can be said that “above” the religions converge, and “below” they differ. I think it can also be said that epistemologically speaking, and on the same vertical scale that I referred to as ascending religious discernment, that cognitively, religious discernment unites above the line also.
Each religion approaches the transcendent reality from different cultural directions or frames of reference, but they do essentially converge on this understanding of the epistemology of knowledge.
at what point did you decide to become a NON-BUDDHIST ?
Didn’t, Ibelieve Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism and most other major religionsare different manifestations of one and the same transcendent Spirit, of which, Jesus was the Savior,Muhammad was the Prophet, and Buddha was the Enlightened One.
please explain your reasons for becoming a NON-TAOIST
Being a human beingisn’t something you think about, it’s something you do.
Get real.
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@3RU7AL
Your religion is Scientismi am not and have never been a follower of your ridiculous strawman "scientism"
You are one of evangelical Scientism's devout, and like all fundamentalists, you deny that your religion is a religion, it is just the way things are.
Amen.
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@3RU7AL
Third, what you are talking about is metaphysics, specifically ontology (Google it), the study of existence, and anyone with even a cursory understanding of philosophy (maybe Google philosophy too) knows that there is no such thing as an ontological proof. That's why, when I challenge you guys to prove your own metaphysical presuppositions, rather than respond, you guys cry like a little bitch.the word "ATHEISM" makes no metaphysical claim
As I predicted, this is you crying like a little bitch, and no shit, the word "ATHEISM" doesn't make claims, because, you know, it's a word, it's only people that make claims. Because you aren't a word, and since you are a person making claims, you cannot hide behind your faith's principles of ignorance and denial. Perhaps because you have been indoctrinated to just have a Pavlovian response to the word Theist and blurt out the sacred Burden of Proof chant, maybe you don't realize that you are actually asserting something, but trust me, if you were in fact capable of actually thinking about it, you would see that it is an assertion.
Your religion is Scientism, and you see theism as a competing faith, and a sacred principle of your religion is denial that you assert anything, I think it's supposed to be clever or something, but it is a hopelessly uninformed and illogical principle designed to support the ability to use the Sacred BOP game to smite the infidels of competing faiths. In short, it is intellectually dishonest, nothing but a lie, your handlers have misled you.
Obviously, you didn't Google the terms I told you about, and so you still don't know what you are talking about, if you can stop crying like a little bitch, and don't instead run away with your tail between your legs like a wet dog, then maybe you can actually respond to my challenge.
You have asserted that the BOP game is valid, and you have clearly indicated that you believe in the existence of an external reality. That is a metaphysical claim (you really should Google the things you are posturing to talk about (Metaphysics, Ontology, philosophy and logic would be good places to start).
You did in fact assert the validity of your Sacred BOP game, and because you made the claim, the Burden of Proof is on you, please provide proof of your absurd and illogical, completely faith-based claim.
You did in fact, indicate you believe that an external reality exists, The Burden of Proof is on you, prove the existence of an external reality.
i claim i am NOT-A-THEISTyour only POSSIBLE counter-claim is that you personally believe somehow that i am a THEIST
I don't think there is any possible way to make a counterclaim to a non-sequitur, I really don't think meaningless statements need to be opposed.
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@ebuc
The point of this topic is pro choice is pro abortion.Your intentionally misplaced/twisted concept is the topic."Being Pro choice is being pro abortion/homosexuality."I'm not astute enough to know the correct terminology definning your repeated thread topics actions.Malicious? Mischievous? Trolling? Click baiting? Uncompassionate? Inconsiderate? Etc
Could be as simple as dumb as a bag of hammers.
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@Greyparrot
Look at the bright side, he FINALLY won the popular vote.
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@Greyparrot
to cover up or conceal "a crime."they made up "a crime." A crime that was never proven. They were not even allowed to bring a witness to defend against the implication (implication because it wasn't an actual charge) of a campaign finance violation.
Oh pulease, it was one of the most scrutinized legal actions in history, if you just make up a psychodrama about it that won't change the facts.
"the more you indict, the more we UNITE"
Relax, he only has 88 indictments and a mere 34 convictions, there are still 54 more to go.
I get it, his minions think that since he's the crime boss of the republican party he should be above the law, but he lost that lawsuit, he has to face the consequences of his criminal actions.
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@n8nrgim
Trump was convicted of falsifying business records, which normally is a misdemeanor.
It is a felony if, as the jury found here, the actions are used to cover up or conceal a crime.
No worse than and actually less serious than shop lifting. It only becomes felonious when fraud was also committed. The jury I think didn't agree what fraud was committed, just that there was fraud.
Nonsense, the jury unanimously agreed that Trump was guilty of committing 34 specific cases of fraud with the intent to defraud the American people by concealing information about the character and conduct of a presidential candidate.
So it looks like the reasoning is circular... it's fraud, just because it's fraud. It's a felony, just because it's a felony.
Nope, it's fraud because the law in New York defines those actions as fraud, and it's a felony because New York law states that it is a felony if done with the intent to cover up or conceal a crime.
It's all a joke anyways. Who cares if he trying to hide hush money? It's like Bill Clinton lying about a blow job. Who really cares? At most its just a technicality, cause dems r weak politically.
Trump wouldn't always say the elections are rigged if it didn't matter, he says that to work his base up into enough of a frenzy to attempt a violent insurrection. Turns out, the only person to have rigged an election is Trump in 2016. He was found guilty of 34 felony counts for defrauding the American voters, that's not a joke. Given that he worked his supporters into a murderous frenzy by saying an election was rigged with absolutely no evidence, I think guilty of 34 felony counts beyond a reasonable doubt is serious.
I don't even support trump. But I can call a witch hunt a witch hunt when I see it
LOL, yeah, Trump is the victim, Trump is always the victim, if the witch hunt doesn't work we can always fall back on our Jewish space lasers.
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@ebuc
prove the existence of an external reality.1st law of thermodynamics --naught is created nor lost only transformed---- and that transposes as finite integrity of occupied space Universe.1} no proof of an infinite occupied space Universe, --as such would violate structural and systemic integrity--- and please use logical, common sense critical thinking here to arrive at above conclusion
Logical, common sense critical thinking tells me your science is well over a hundred years old.
Emmy Noether formalized the mathematics of the conservation law, and whether you know it or not, the reason you thought energy is conserved is because of Noether’s time-translation invariance, which mathematically tells us that energy is conserved when the background on which particles and forces evolve, as well as the dynamical rules governing their motions, are fixed, not changing with time.
But in general relativity that’s simply no longer true. Einstein tells us that space and time are dynamical, and in particular that they can evolve with time. When the space through which particles move is changing, the total energy of those particles is not conserved.
For instance, one example is redshift, the reason we know the Universe is expanding is because of the observation that light is redshifted in all directions, and because a photon's energy is inversely proportional to its wavelength, the light has therefore shifted to a lower energy state, and consequently, the total amount of energy is not conserved.
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@Greyparrot
Jesus.
So, you are actually trying to read your Trump Bible, you are a good minion.
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What about to be actually able to delete someone else's account?
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Then you agree with me that the Burden of Proof game is bullshit?the burden of proof is always on the party making the positive claimit is not a "game" - - it's simply how conversations workif i'm trying to convince you of something - - - i need to support my claim to meet YOUR standard of evidenceif you're trying to convince me of something - - - you need to support your claim to meet MY standard of evidencethis should be obviousnow, on this particular topic - - the atheist makes no positive claim - - they are merely UNconvinced - - which is exactly like every other conversation - - one party is UNconvinced and the other party TRIES TO CONVINCE THEM - - it's not rocket-surgerythe THEIST is making a positive claim - - "do this and that and or believe this and that or there will be shocking consequences" - - it actually sounds a lot like a threatnaturally, the UNconvinced are going to ask, "how do you know this" and when the answer boils down to "FAITH" - - it seems obvious they would remain UNconvinced
LOL, you don't have to tell me how the BOP game is played, I know how the BOP game is played, and I also know it is puerile nonsense. This Pavlovian statement is merely an article of faith of your religion, it is illogical and irrational.
Pay attention, I'm going to try to dumb it down far enough that you might understand this time.
First, you are the one making the BOP claim, so the Burden of Proof is on you, you must prove the above assertion. (The Pavlovian response is nuh uh, the BOP is on you)
Second, it is the embodiment of the logical fallacy of an argument from ignorance, always followed up with "I win".
Third, what you are talking about is metaphysics, specifically ontology (Google it), the study of existence, and anyone with even a cursory understanding of philosophy (maybe Google philosophy too) knows that there is no such thing as an ontological proof. That's why, when I challenge you guys to prove your own metaphysical presuppositions, rather than respond, you guys cry like a little bitch.
Instead of cry like a little bitch this time, tell me what you do believe about existence, accept the burden of proof, and prove it. To contend that you don't believe in the existence of God implies you do believe in the existence of an external reality, the burden of proof is on you, prove the existence of an external reality.
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@cristo71
They claim to believe in the US legal system, but they want to skip past the indictment, trial, verdict and go straight to the death penalty.
Don't be ridiculous, if we wanted to skip all that we'd just zap him with our Jewish Space Lasers.
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@3RU7AL
If you can't prove that God exists to me, then you aren't allowed to be a Theist.nobody is suggesting you can't be a THEISTwe're merely suggesting that you have no sound reason for your FAITHand as far as i understandthat's exactly why THEISTS use the word FAITH in the first place
Then you agree with me that the Burden of Proof game is bullshit?
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And now that I’m a theist I’ll add “Isaac Newton believed in god, you think he was unreasonable?” and “a lot of tribes were spiritual, you think spiritually doesn’t exist?”. Oh and the best ones “Can you prove objective reality exists and baseball is scientific?”. All that philosophy stuff you know..
Being an atheist and all, I'm smarter, more rational, more logical, more reasonable and more scientific than you and Isaac Newton combined.
If you can't prove that God exists to me, then you aren't allowed to be a Theist.
God can't be proven; you should worship me instead; I am the superior being, all theists are inferior to me.
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@3RU7AL
and now that I'm an atheist, I'd add "the burden of proof is on you" to convince me to start collecting stamps in order to gain eternal bliss and avoid eternal torture
What stamp collecting, there are a million different stamp collections, define exactly which stamp collecting you don't believe in? Define eternal bliss and eternal torture, what kind of eternal bliss and eternal torture don't you believe in?
You can't expect me to prove a million different stamp collections, describe precisely what you don't believe in, if you can't do that you are irrational, illogical, and unscientific.
Neener neener, I win.
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And now that I’m a theist I’ll add “Isaac Newton believed in god, you think he was unreasonable?” and “a lot of tribes were spiritual, you think spiritually doesn’t exist?”. Oh and the best ones “Can you prove objective reality exists and baseball is scientific?”. All that philosophy stuff you know..
The burden of proof is on you.
Woo hoo, I won again!
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@FLRW
At least you are not a Russian.
No, Putin made him an honorary Russian two years ago.
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@3RU7AL
"No argument" is weak, you didn't even talk about Unicorns and the Easter Bunny, c'mon, let's see some real philosophy LOL."no argument" is exactly what you would say if i asked you to explain why you don't collect stampsthe same applies for people who don't collect gods
No, I think I would probably say something normal, like "I have no interest in collecting stamps.
And now that I'm an atheist, I'd add "the burden of proof is on you" and "which stamp collecting is it that I don't do"., and maybe something about unicorns collecting stamps....you know, all that philosophy stuff.
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@Swagnarok
The events of Wuhan could've just as easily happened in 2016 or 2024. That's just how the ball bounces, I guess.
I see, so the economy is not his fault, what about GROSS FAILURE in managing Covid, is a million dead his fault.
That would be a good campaign slogan, "Vote Trump, it's not his fault".
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@3RU7AL
if you don't feel compelled to explain why you are "not-a-stamp-collector"then you already understand why it is nonsensical to goad someone into explaining why they call themself an ATHEIST (simply, NOT-A-THEIST)
I'm sorry, did you think I started this thread, afraid not, you started this thread, wouldn't it be you doing the goading.
"No argument" is weak, you didn't even talk about Unicorns and the Easter Bunny, c'mon, let's see some real philosophy LOL.
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@Swagnarok
You can, there's plenty to brag about, there's most impeachments (2), most felony convictions (34), most felony indictments (88), most lies as President (30,573 over 4 years), most wives cheated on (3), and the list of broken records goes on and on.Don't forget affordable mortgage interest rates and gasoline even during the height of a global pandemic, fastest economic recovery in American history, first US President since Carter not to start any new wars, first time the US achieved energy independence (in 2019) since 1957, first time since 2011 (in 2020) that the US was able to send astronauts to the ISS without relying on Russia, a doubling in the number of Arab countries which diplomatically recognized Israel, and a strengthening of US defense cooperation with Taiwan.But sure, focus on his divorces and Stormy Daniels. These are the issues that really matter to Americans living paycheck to paycheck.
Trump is one of only two Presidents in history where there were fewer Americans receiving paychecks at the end of his term than at the beginning of his term.
That's another Trump record, the most Americans living no paycheck to no paycheck.
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You have said you believe homosexuality is a choice, if you are pro "gay choice" then you must be gay, right?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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The strongest argument for atheism is no argument?
No argument is very convincing, how do I sign up, is there a secret handshake or something?
Can I do that burden of proof is one you and which God are you talking about philosophy stuff now?
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@Swagnarok
I mean, Biden supporters routinely brag about his numbers. Why can't we do the same?
You can, there's plenty to brag about, there's most impeachments (2), most felony convictions (34), most felony indictments (88), most lies as President (30,573 over 4 years), most wives cheated on (3), and the list of broken records goes on and on.
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@3RU7AL
The self-evident experiential reality of the interaction between the mental and the physical is undeniable, the contrived “interaction problem” is based on denial of the evidence.body = hardwaremind = softwareno magic required
And no contrived interaction problem.
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You can't really steal land, I mean, where would you hide it?
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