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@Swagnarok
You think Trump's the manager of WinRed?

And it wasn't just the website; there was a spike in Google searches for "Donald Trump donation". 
Yep, he knows how to fleece his base, there's a sucker born every minute.
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@Greyparrot
Trump is so incompetent, his Winred donation site imploded and shut down. What a loser!

If he can't keep a website running he should be president, that makes sense.


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Donald Trump is showing strong signs of dementia
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@FLRW
Well I bet none of them have TSD.
I bet Trump has STD.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
He told them that Americans are their enemy and Putin is their friend and they believed him.
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Donald Trump is showing strong signs of dementia
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@Greyparrot
You put the zag in exaggeration. For sure.
I suppose all of the jurors in NY have TDS too.
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What's the strongest argument for atheism?
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@3RU7AL
two fundamentally distinct substances cannot interact
The so-called “interaction problem” is contrived, simply declaring the observed and experienced interaction between mind (or soul) and physical reality is metaphysically impossible is not a coherent argument.  It is nothing but an unwarranted and faith based ontological commitment which buys us nothing in the way of insight or explanation.

The self-evident experiential reality of the interaction between the mental and the physical is undeniable, the contrived “interaction problem” is based on denial of the evidence.


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34 Felony Counts Guilty
Now what?

If he is incarcerated there will be riots in the trailer parks.


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@Casey_Risk
Wow, I was actually worried he might just end up getting off on most or all of the charges. I guess not! Considering how all the polls I've seen indicate that support for Trump drops significantly in the case that he is convincted of a crime, I'd say Biden's chances of winning this election have gone up significantly. 
No way he could be found not guilty, hung jury was the best he could hope for.
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@Greyparrot
I wonder if they are now allowed to say what the underlying crime actually was.
That would be underlying crimes, 34 to be exact.
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Zelensky's term expired and nobody wants to talk about it
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@Greyparrot
I am just saying President Lincoln and Zelensky had a fundamental difference of opinion.

If you want to smear Lincoln as an armchair president, feel free. You wouldn't be the first. (his monument is him literally in an armchair, lol)
I really don't think the optics are an issue for Lincoln either.
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Donald Trump is showing strong signs of dementia
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@Greyparrot
Trump teaches the devil in TDS world.
Your programming is so Pavlovian.
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Zelensky's term expired and nobody wants to talk about it
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@Greyparrot
The charge of the light brigade was ordered by someone who was not there looking at the territory.  It's real easy to sit on your couch in front of your computer and make decisions about what the Ukranian government should do.  

I don't think they have time to worry about how it looks to all the clueless arm-chair quarterbacks half-way around the world.

You gotta love how the same people who are against free and fair elections in this country are bunged up about a postponement in Ukraine.  But hey, Putin is calling the shots, so if he says be upset about it, then you need to be upset about it.
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@ebuc
Remember that Trump said Republicans "eat their young" when they attack him.

Yeah, that does not surprise me nor any other degratory and suggested violence Trumpet espouses.  Some percentage of hi Moronic MAGA/DADA Cult members are bloodthirsty, so they love this kind of blood thirsty talk.  End date for humanity 2015 and counting.
Humanity came to an end nine years ago?

How did I miss that?
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@Swagnarok
Elections don't have to be a one-day, "show up at the polls at the same time" affair. That's the conventional way of doing it, but there are alternatives. They could do a mail-in vote. Or an in-person election spread out across several weeks. Or heck, do it over a phone app, provided there's some sort of verification in place to prevent fraud or citizens in occupied territories voting at gunpoint.

Point is, it's the job of the Ukrainian government to figure out something and then arrange for it to happen, on time or nearly on time. You don't just give up on elections because they're hard.
There is a lot more to it than just getting folks to the polls, for a fair election there needs to be opponents, campaigning, some process for educating voters, and a process for free and fair voting.  Under the circumstances, none of that is feasible, postponement is what the Ukranian government figured out, and it appears to be the best decision to me.  Especially considering that I doubt anybody actually wants the job right now, Zelenski has a target on his back, does anybody else really want to wear it.




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Being Pro choice is being pro abortion/homosexuality.
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@Mall
The context of "pro choice" in this topic is abortion or non abortion, so let us not shy away from that.
We're not talking about freedom of choice to do anything or unlimited options because you'll have a problem with that.

Instead of biting off more than what you can argue, let us stick to the options in this topic.

When you're pro choice in the case of pregnancy ok, you stand in support of the freedom to go with abortion or non abortion.
I mean really to be blunt and just answering that for you .

That's what it is. Pro choice= pro abortion.
Wow, you really don't have a clue.

Perhaps you could look up the words "Freedom" and "Choice" in a dictionary.

Paraphrasing Voltaire: I may not agree with your decision, but I will defend your right to decide.

You want to control people, I want to let them have the freedom to decide despite how I feel about what their decision is.

I'm sorry you don't get it.

Now, even though it's incredibly stupid, you are free to repeat your stupid statement again, even though I think it's stupid.






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@Mall
"Pro-choice means you stand in support of the freedom to choose"

You stand in support of the freedom to choose what?
If it was the freedom to choose only one thing it wouldn't be freedom, and it wouldn't be a choice.

It is the freedom to choose whatever option the person decides to choose.

I'm sorry, but I can't dumb it down any farther for you.

Are you really telling us you haven't got a clue what the Voltaire quote means?


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@Tradesecret
After all, we all think we are right, otherwise, we'd think something else.
According to the Bible, we are all wrong.

Romans 11:33 - Oh, the depth of the riches both ofthe wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments andunfathomable His ways!

1 Corinthians 8:2 - And if any man think that heknoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

1 Corinthians 13:12 - For now we see through a glass,darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know evenas also I am known.

Isaiah 55:8-9 - "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways", saith the Lord.  "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Evolution offers a better alternative to bible creationism
Iwould like to propose another way of looking at the theory of Evolution.

First, lets recognize that the "mechanism" Darwin proposed is a tautology. Survival ofthe fittest really says that in hindsight, the survivors survived...ok...nogreat shakes there.

But what was Darwin'sreal accomplishment?

At a point in time when Science was at its peak of materialistic anddeterministic hubris, Darwin applied the scientific method to life...and here is what he found.

1) That life was contingent. Contingent upon the rest of creation, its growthand development was a mysterious interplay between nature and nurture, betweenthe individual and the environment, between the part and the whole. Heproclaimed all of life to be a unity and stated that in time and space we areall interconnected to each other and to everything.

2) That life was probabilistic; consequently, it was not deterministic.Darwinian evolution has no predictive quality, life is open ended, withinfinite possibility, and its history shows endless variety.

3) That all of life is one life. He demonstrated that all life is interconnected;all life is related to each other and to the rest of the world. In time, hedemonstrated that all life had descended (ascended would have been a betterword) from one initial instance of life. He did not explain away the mystery oflife, to date science has not even touched upon the mystery of life.

Darwin, byapplying the scientific method, rigorously and in a comprehensive way, to life,determined that life was contingent, probabilistic, and constitutes a unity. Heput science to Genesis, in no way contradicting it in word or in spirit. Hecorrelated the facts of science to the overriding image provided by theology.

This was at the peak of Science'sdeterministic and materialistic arrogance, and in one fell swoop he turnedscience around, he changed the direction of Science's journey so to speak.Somewhere along the line, the prodigal son of Science had diverged and now,with centuries of new knowledge and experiences under its belt, it had turnedback around and begun a journey down a path that would someday intersect andconverge with the original path.
 
Weshall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
T.S. Eliot

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@Intelligence_06
I have lost count during the last few months but this must have been at least the 600th "trump bad" thread.
That's because Trump has weekly lessons with the devil on how to be more evil.

I don't know what Trump charges him though.
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@ebuc
You have no logical common sense critical thinking to offer and I think your trolling cause my frustration in two threads now.

Get your mental state together of leave me alone, please
Sado is in pretty good company here, his belief has been shared by Plato, Aristotle, Lucretius, Augustine, Leibniz, Mach, Einstein and Sidewalker through the ages.   I'd have to say almost all of them have "logical common sense critical thinking to offer".  


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@Mall
How can you be pro choice of the abortion without be a champion of the abortion itself?
Pro-choice means you stand in support of the freedom to choose, you can disagree with the choice being made without being a champion one of the choices that can be made.  Pro-choice is pro-freedom.

“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” ― Voltaire
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@RaymondSheen
Well, I wouldn't be surprised. It is only 1 out of 3000 chance to accuratelly guess the correct God.

Every God is the correct God. You don't get my message. You don't understand. A God is a personal responsibility, a preference. If you want a God as a cash cow and you perceive it works as such, then it's the right God for you. If you choose your God because it was the one that is geographically, culturally, socially, financially, militarily, intellectually, traditionally fashionably, scientifically or spiritually right for you personally for whatever reason, even if it's not real, if coerced, phony, evil, perverse, or anything else it's right for you.

"For people differ even when nurtured by the same culture, and as religion must try to speak to the needs of all it has no choice but to spread out in almost endless diversity even within the same tradition." – Huston Smith

A god is something, someone or someplace which is of supreme importance to someone. Zeus, Jehovah, Satan, Kim Jong-Un, Eric Clapton, Frodo, knitting, sex, boating, gambling, idols, Jesus, Shiva, Amaterasu, Buddha, Heaven, the universe, the sun, the Big Bang, science, math, fertility, drugs, money, food, or any of the 3000 you mention. The 8 million or countless gods of Shinto, the nameless god in the temple Paul referred to in the book of Acts and all the others I've not mentioned. The difference between a god and God is that titles, like names, are capitalized due to Identification, grammar and syntax, respect and formality, tradition and convention. (Source) So Jehovah is the God of Jehovah's Witnesses and myself, but to unbelievers Jehovah is only a god or, for identification in Christendom, traditionally, conventionally God of the Bible. That doesn't mean other gods can't be God to someone else in some other place or context. 
"What a strange fellowship this is: theGod-seekers of every clime, lifting their voices in the most diverse waysimaginable to the God of all men. How does it all sound to him, like bedlam?Or, in some mysterious way does it all blend into harmony? Does one faith carrythe melody, the lead, or do the parts share in counterpoint and antiphony whennot in solid chorus?" – Huston Smith

If someone thinks God is their God but in reality, their God is something else, like tradition, money etc. then their God isn't what they think it is. For example, if someone thinks their God is the God of the Bible because traditionally and socially, they act as if it is, they go through the motions, attend church and pray, worship etc. but their actions reveal that science or money or sex or drugs or food etc. is more important to them, then their God is not really the God of the Bible but science, religion, money or whatever. That's why the God of the Bible, Jehovah, said he was a jealous God, have no Gods before (more important) than him. He said they don't know him. Cain is a good example of that. He picked fruit up off the ground to sacrifice to God as if God were, to him, a trash can while Abel chose the most valuable of his flock to sacrifice. That's why Paul said that it wasn't a big deal eating meat that was, as customary, sacrificed to "false gods" because he knew those gods weren't God's to him. In only that sense they weren't real. It didn't matter if they were real to the people sacrificing. 
"Insteadof crude and boastful contrasts there will be borrowings and exchange, mutualhelp, cross-fertilization that leads sometimes to good strong hybrids but forthe most part simply enriches the species in question and continues itsvigor." – Huston Smith

That's why faith is more important than knowledge and why atheism and theism more often than not are only ideologies. That's why atheists can have gods without knowing or acknowledging it and why theists think they are theists of a specific God when they aren't. That's why religion is so divisive, syncretistic and destructive, contentious and pretentious.
"His roots in his family, his community, hiscivilization will be deep, but in the very depth he will strike the water tableof man's common humanity and thus nourished will reach out in more activecuriosity, more open vision, to discover and understand what others haveseen." – Huston Smith

If you were going to give away a fortune but you wanted to make sure it went to people who genuinely cared about you and who wouldn't piss it away would you advertise an event where you were going to give a fortune away?  

That, @Stephen, is what the emboldened text was about. The love of the greater number will cool off, the Bible foretold it because it was obvious that would happen.

Mark 4:10-12: When he was alone, those who were around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. He said to them, “To you is given the mystery of God’s Kingdom, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables, that ‘seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest perhaps they should turn again, and their sins should be forgiven them.’” (Isaiah 6:9-10)
Isaiah 55:8-10: For my thoughts are not yourthoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavensare higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and mythoughts than your thoughts.

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@RaymondSheen
This is a poll for believers and unbelievers.

What if you were wrong? Would you want to know? And if so, why or why not?
I already do know.

Every major religion claims the ultimate reality is unknowable, the general Philosophical consensus among epistemological and ontological theories claim the ultimate reality is unknowable, science claims the ultimate reality is unknowable.

It’s certainly in our nature to try to find the ultimate answers, and to look for certainty, but in context, we are just at a certain stage of a mind that is still awakening, one that is confronted by and pondering this vast and complex thing in transformation, who can see groups of connected realities but cannot truly and fully understand what they represent.

Maps are not territory, and there are definite limits to our mental powers and our mathematics, and maybe we should get past our arrogance by waking up to the fact that we are finite beings pondering the infinite, and that a part cannot circumscribe the whole.

Perhaps we have just taken the mind as far as it can go at this time, the journey continues and there is a greater understanding yet to come.

As always, we are at the final boundary between what has been and what is striving to emerge.

And the truth goes marching on.


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Capitalism sucks! Socialism (Government planned economy) is the best system!
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@Best.Korea
Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit.

Capitalism may suck for you, it worked out well for me.


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Why I'm an atheist
What's the difference between a blimp and 365 blow jobs?
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One is a Goodyear and the other is a really really good year.
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Why I'm an atheist
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@TheUnderdog
Yep, I think you nailed it, the age-old debate as to whether religion is a plane engine has finally been resolved. 
I didn't say religion was a plane engine.  I'm saying a plane engine can make messages in the sky from the exhaust, but that shouldn't count as a sign from god.
How about the Goodyear blimp in the sky, is that a sign from God?
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Why I'm an atheist
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@TheUnderdog
How come no Christain can genuinely respond to this?  Maybe I've solved the religious debate.
Yep, I think you nailed it, the age-old debate as to whether religion is a plane engine has finally been resolved. 

Good job. 
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There need to be multiple developers for this site if one developer is too overworked
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@TheUnderdog
Me and probably a dozen other people have made suggestions that didn't go into account.  The argument is that it's too much to handle.  So then have there be multiple developers.  Find someone willing to help out and then they develop the website further.
Are you volunteering?
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Why I'm an atheist
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@TheUnderdog
Some time later today, the sun will set and the sun will rise tomorrow.  One of 2 things will happen tomorrow:

  1. There will be hundreds of iterations of, "The X religion is the one true religion" (X being something like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.) in changing colors so we know it's not a plane engine.
  2. There will be no hundreds of iterations of that sort in the sky.
I will convert to whatever happens to be the result tomorrow if you agree to do the same in advance.  If situation 2 happens, then atheism is the assumed winner.
You assert that religion is not a plane engine, but the Burden of Proof is on you, what evidence do you have that it isn't a plane engine?
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Job hunting
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@TheUnderdog
What is your "field".
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What is a republican?
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@TheUnderdog
What's the alternative?  
Use a smaller glass.
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Why do men like lesbian sex?
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@IlDiavolo
Are you ever fooled by trans women or ladyboy types? LOL.
Why do you think I'm interested in ladyboys. Haha. C'mon, man.

Let me tell you, though, that today's transwomen look so much like real girls so it's difficult to recognize one at first sight. We have to be careful, at least in the countries where the gender transition technology is advanced.

As I lived in Brasil I have some tips to avoid being fooled. First, if (s)he is taller than 5'7", doubt!! Another tip would be the voice, but less trannies have truck driver's voice. Also the smell when they sweat, transwomen have a typical smell that is not like real girls.
The Adam's apple is a pretty good sign too.
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What is a republican?
The Democrats looks and says: My glass is half full.

The Republican looks and says:  Somebody drank half my water damn it.


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@3RU7AL
Spacetime has no objective reality
please explain gravitational lensing
Gravitational lensing has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Gravitational lensing is a matter of the relationship between photons and mass,it's about how photons are affected by mass.  Gravity is not a function of spacetime, it is a function of mass. Theinteraction between photons and mass are represented by changes in themathematics of the coordinate system used, but the coordinate system used isarbitrary. 

Time and space are measurements, they measure things but arenot themselves things, space measures the distance between things, timemeasures change. They are useful mental tools, but they are abstractrepresentations of reality, not statements about reality itself.  Spacetime is a variable in the formulas of the GeneralTheory of Relativity which allows the theory to make predictions. They areexperiential realities, conceptual in nature, they exist in the mind, if thereis no one to experience it, there is no time or space, there are only things withspatial properties and processes with temporal durations.  
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Spacetime has no objective reality
please explain gravitational lensing
Please explain Einstein's Hole Argument.
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@ebuc
A lot of people try to construe physical theories literally, and consequently claim spacetime is an independently existing structure that bears its own properties (commonly called a fabric). But this is just another instance of confusing the tools of science with the substance of science.

Spacetime has no objective reality, it is only an intellectual concept, it has no ontological status independent of human existence, it is an abstract mathematical construct. Einstein actually got the concept from Minkowski, but we only know about it because of what Einstein did with it.

First, let’s recognize that the mathematics of scientific theory are only theoretical abstractions, scientific knowledge is theoretical knowledge. In relativity theory spacetime is a mathematical structure used to describe and extrapolate from observed phenomena, space and time are simply coordinate systems of the geometric structure in which things and events occur within the theory. The mathematical equations are not meant to be ontological statements, they are simply a tool for describing how the variables are related to one another within the theory. The problem of ontologically literalizing the spacetime component of Relativity Theory into something that has independent existence is that it conflicts with the theory it comes from.

The most novel feature of the General Theory is its general covariance, which means we are free to use arbitrary spacetime coordinate systems. In the theory spacetime is a four-dimensional coordinate system that represents a manifold of events, the problem of ontologically literalizing the spacetime component of the General Theory into a substantivalist substance that has independent existence is that it conflicts with the theory it comes from, if there are no metric or matter fields, there is no manifold of events. According to Einstein’s theory of General relativity, if there is no matter and energy, there is no time and space.

When the press asked Einstein what was most important about the general theory he said:

"People before me believed that if all the matter in the universe were removed, only space and time would exist. My theory proves that space and time would disappear along with matter."


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Why I (as a man) prefer they/them pronouns
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@TheUnderdog
The reason why is because being gender neutral is a product of Anglo American Civilization.

I'm proud of my country, I'm proud of my race, and I don't hate minorities for theirs.

So much technology was invented by white people.  I don't hate non-whites and I don't take personal accomplishment of what other white people did, but if Americans can be proud of their country being the first one to land on the moon while those Americans never went to the moon (while not claiming Congolese are inferior for never going to the moon) and not be called racist, then I feel I am entitled to the same liberty.

Whites also were the ones that led the abolishment of slavery worldwide (OIP.bwLpG5IDuWtnBumuLdIf8wHaDw (474×240) (bing.com)).

In this context, white power!
Last week you were entitled to the same liberty to call blacks the n-word, said you were going to convince them to stop being so uppity about it and make it OK for all white people.

How's that project coming along.  
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@RaymondSheen
Which is a good point. Is "Science" science? As the speaker in the video points out, very often science is "science." In other words very real science is corrupted, like religion was, for profit or whatever. You have to be published, you have to have funding and often you have to keep tenure. 

So, this distinction is often made "that isn't actually" or "real" science as if science can't be corrupted, abused or neglected like religion, truth, data, etc. Like gold isn't gold unless it's pure. But that isn't the case. Religion, truth, data, science, theology can't be pure in the sense that (I suppose) gold can be. 

Gold and gods. 
You mean to say, scientists are human?
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@IlDiavolo
A few years ago I read a Psychology Today article that said it is because we can project ourselves into the scene,  so while you are watching two women in a sexual situation but what you are seeing in your mind's eye is two lesbians making an IlDiavolo sandwich. 
Well, we can project ourselves very well into a scene of a sole woman.

I don't just refer to porn but also a real scenario. Just thinking about the idea of being with two lesbians gets me really hard and I don't know why.
The article was about porn, but I think it includes our sexual fantasies since they are certainly pornographic,

But the "why" of fantasies of two women should be self-evident.  

When a fantasy goes from one woman to two women the sheer number of different fantasy permutations grows by an order of magnitude at least.     
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@IlDiavolo
Since I started to have sexual desires at age 13 the lesbian sex turns me on so badly, much more than heterosexual sex. Even now, lesbian sex gets me very excited and really hard. In fact, one of my wet dreams is to have a menage a trois with a pair of lesbians and enjoy watching them make out but I couldn't so far because it's difficult to find two lesbian hookers.

Why is that? Do you have any explanation?
A few years ago I read a Psychology Today article that said it is because we can project ourselves into the scene,  so while you are watching two women in a sexual situation but what you are seeing in your mind's eye is two lesbians making an IlDiavolo sandwich. 
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@TheUnderdog
Gradually; it's not like I can talk to 40 million black people at once.
But the point is, you get to use the N-word, that is huge, it is certainly something to be proud of, who knows, once everyone is aware of your accomplishment, you could get a statue. 

You have risen above the oppression of those who would rob you of your God given right to use the N-word.

Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty you are free at last.

Congratulations.


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@TheUnderdog
I've done that with minorities before and they are fine with it.
I'm sure, maybe you can start a trend with your amazing convincing skills.

Make the n-word great again!
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@TheUnderdog
If I cite that poll, then most black people who take serious issue with it will accept it.
I agree, go for it, if anybody has a problem with it just tell them about the poll and everything will work out just fine.
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@TheUnderdog
I agree with ludofl3x, your argument makes so much sense, you should just go for it.

I'm sure everyone will understand.
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Welcome to DART: Introduce Yourself
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@MAV99
Welcome MAV
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New life for the website
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@Lemming
Hey man, long time no see.

How's your brother doing?   Still good?
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Atheism
An atheist buys an ancient lamp at an auction, takes it home, andbegins to polish it. Suddenly, a genie appears, and says, “I’ll grant you threewishes, Master.” The atheist says, “I wish I could believe in you.” The geniesnaps his fingers, and suddenly the atheist believes in him.

The atheist says,“Wow. I wish all atheists would believe this.” The genie snaps his fingersagain, and suddenly atheists all over the world begin to believe in genies.

“What about your third wish?” asks the genie. “Well,” says the atheist, “I wishfor a billion dollars.” The genie snaps his fingers for a third time, butnothing happens. “What’s wrong?” asks the atheist. The genie shrugs and says,“Just because you believe in me, doesn’t necessarily mean that I really exist.”
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Kristi Noem is a train wreck sure to end up like Sarah Palin
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@FLRW
I heard Trump is growing a narrow black mustache under his nose.
The Boston Blackie kind?
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@baggins
We are constantly bombarded with claims that Theism is illogical, irrational, and unscientific, but none of those spiritual detractors will ever debate it, not ever.
I’ll debate you
Cool, it will be my first time so be gentle :)

We can make the subject of the debate:  It is reasonable/rational to be Theist.

Now let's figure out how to set it up.

Or we can make the subject:  Theism is illogical, irrational, and unscientific

And then you be pro of course, would you prefer that since that's the way I stated it in the post you responded to?
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@baggins
We are constantly bombarded with claims that Theism is illogical, irrational, and unscientific, but none of those spiritual detractors will ever debate it, not ever.
I’ll debate you
Cool, it will be my first time so be gentle :)

We can make the subject of the debate:  It is reasonable/rational to be Theist.

Now lets figure out how to set it up.
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