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@RaymondSheen
It is reasonable/rational to be theist.Anybody want to debate this?That's sort of ambiguous isn't it?
Yeah, that's somewhat my point, reality is always going to be ambiguous regarding the questions being raised here, there are no proofs either way, Theism is not logically coercive, it’s a matter of faith, but for those who choose it, it does provide an intellectually satisfying way of making sense of the broadest possible band of human experience, of uniting in a single account, the rich and many layered encounter that we have with a reality that is experienced as full of qualities, values, meanings, and purposes.
Being theistic certainly doesn't guarentee reasonableness.
Of course it doesn't, I'm responding to a boatload of contention that Theism is uneasonable/irrational. We are constantly bombarded with claims that Theism is illogical, irrational, and unscientific, but none of those spiritual detractors will ever debate it, not ever. The other thing that is constant is this Pavlovian response that Theism carries a Burden of Proof, which is complete nonsense, but nobody will debate that one either.
I think, if only. I can be really stupid. My theism can be really stupid.
Everyone can be really stupid, nothing protects from that.
I would think you would have to be more specific.
Yes, that would be the debate part, I'll be very explicit if anyone accepts.
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-->@ADreamOfLibertyyou're the one who asked"how do you solve the issue of (gender) dysphoria ?"that's like asking"how do you solve the issue of homosexuality ?"Dysphoria is defined as dissatisfaction. It's not a sexual orientation, it's stress.That's correct, the dictionary definition is:dysphoria: a state of feeling very unhappy, uneasy, or dissatisfied.It would be fair to say that the existence of transgender people has caused a severe dysphoria among MAGA people.You are suffering from Transgender dysphoria, and we are just trying to help.We are telling you to just leave these people alone, and focus on your own life, because we care and want to alleviate your suffering.Please, let us help you overcome your Transgender Dysphoria.That's nothing short of an ignoratio elenchi circular argument that is tantamount to an appeal to mockery.
Me, mock MAGA dumbshits? Nah, that doesn't sound like me.
You clearly lack the temperament required of mature civil discourse. Why are you even here, other than the obvious (trolling)!?!
LOL, another idiot that came to a debate site looking for an echo chamber.
Sorry, you can keep spewing your bigotry and intolerance, I'll keep responding, and you can just keep up with the whiney baby stuff.
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@3RU7AL
It is reasonable/rational to be theist.Anybody want to debate this?some are and some are notwhich specific flavor of theism are you prepared to defend ?
Nobody believes in the God you don't believe in, so it's not about that invisible bearded man in the sky you don't believe in.
Literalism is plain stupid, you will get your ass handed to you if you don't know the difference between literalism and Theism.
If you want to argue that Theism is not rational, you probably should have at least a smattering of familiarity with the subject matter of the debate.
The statement was simple and straight forward, rather than trying to make it about something else, just take it at face value.
Is it your contention that Theism is not a reasonable or rational position to take?
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@3RU7AL
think of it this waydo you believe NANABOZHO is the one true creator of all things ?why not ?are you perhaps UNconvinced ?or are you just an evil mean spiteful person who hates NANABOZHO ?have you spent your entire life thinking about how NANABOZHO can not possibly exist ?or do you rather simply not care if NANABOZHO is real or not ?furthermore,if someone told you that all morality and goodness can only come from NANABOZHO and without NANABOZHO the world would be pure chaoswould you think that person is probably insane ?That is quite the non-sequitur, what is the point of this mess, and what does it have to do with the subject of Burden of Proof.the "burden of proof" is quite obviously on the claim that NANABOZHO is the one true creator god
Not obviously at all...especially since nobody claimed that "NANABOZHO is the one true creator god".
do you believe NANABOZHO is the one true creator god ?
I'm more familiar with Dayunsi actually.
are you perhaps UNconvinced ?
Nope.
or do you think that people who DON'T believe in NANABOZHO have a "burden of proof" that somehow requires them to EXPLAIN WHY they don't believe in NANABOZHO ?
Nope, and I don't believe this nonsense that the Theist has a "burden of proof" that somehow requires them to EXPLAIN WHY they do believe.
That's not a thing.
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@Double_R
Is this assertion a claim you are making?Yes
Please provide proof of your claim that "the burden of proof falls into the side that is making the claim".
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@Double_R
the burden of proof falls into the side that is making the claim.
Is this assertion a claim you are making?
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@3RU7AL
There are two assertions most atheists make.1) The Burden of Proof is on the Theist.2) Assertion number 1 is not an assertion.think of it this waydo you believe NANABOZHO is the one true creator of all things ?why not ?are you perhaps UNconvinced ?or are you just an evil mean spiteful person who hates NANABOZHO ?have you spent your entire life thinking about how NANABOZHO can not possibly exist ?or do you rather simply not care if NANABOZHO is real or not ?furthermore,if someone told you that all morality and goodness can only come from NANABOZHO and without NANABOZHO the world would be pure chaoswould you think that person is probably insane ?
That is quite the non-sequitur, what is the point of this mess, and what does it have to do with the subject of Burden of Proof.
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@Greyparrot
"Oh no, you don't understand, we don't hate them, we just don't think they should be allowed to exist"Dysphoria shouldn't be allowed to exist when we have advanced medical technology far beyond chopping body parts off.Only a sadist would believe otherwise.
Oh pulease, dysphoria is practically the human condition anymore.
We've all read your posts, they are not the words of a happy, satisfied and content man.
Get real, if any of us were perfectly happy and content people, we would not be wasting our time here.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
you're the one who asked"how do you solve the issue of (gender) dysphoria ?"that's like asking"how do you solve the issue of homosexuality ?"Dysphoria is defined as dissatisfaction. It's not a sexual orientation, it's stress.
That's correct, the dictionary definition is:
dysphoria: a state of feeling very unhappy, uneasy, or dissatisfied.
It would be fair to say that the existence of transgender people has caused a severe dysphoria among MAGA people.
You are suffering from Transgender dysphoria, and we are just trying to help.
We are telling you to just leave these people alone, and focus on your own life, because we care and want to alleviate your suffering.
Please, let us help you overcome your Transgender Dysphoria.
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@3RU7AL
I'm asking about the dysphoria. Are you encouraging that no help is to be given to those that seek it in ridding of the problem?i already answered that questionif they want help they should get help, just like anyone elseif they don't want help, leave them the fuck alone
Even if they want help, leave them the fuck alone.
There are between 1 and 2 million transgender people in the US, there is an entire medical industry around helping them, with doctors, psychologists, surgeons, and plenty of other resources, there is nothing to rectify, those who want help have plenty resources available, those who don't want help have resources available.
This idea that they need MAGA clowns to rectify their existence is nonsense, nobody is swallowing the garbage Mall and Amber and ADoL are spewing, pretending that we care about them, what a fucking joke.
"Oh no, you don't understand, we don't hate them, we just don't think they should be allowed to exist" LOL.
The stupidity of MAGA is fucking astounding.
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There are two assertions most atheists make.
1) The Burden of Proof is on the Theist.
2) Assertion number 1 is not an assertion.
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@Best.Korea
Amber seems to have ran away from my question.
Maybe she's busy beating the trans out of kids, you know, like an actual parent LOL.
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@Mall
If you don't want to help better people, that's your business .As far as your subjective judgement over me on this topic of transgenders, that's all your assumption.You haven't proved anything on me in regards to this subject.But you're entitled to a bias view, keep this up as you have.
Do tell, if I meet a trans person, how can I tell them they can get in touch with you so you can "rectify" them?
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@Best.Korea
@SidewalkerI see, and what makes you qualified to "get rid of dysphoria"?Well, they do seem really obsessed with "helping" trans people, but what really bothers them is that trans people exist. It confuses their sexual attraction dichotomy of male and female, because they find trans women attractive and they cant make sense out of it and just want the feelings to go away.This retort is no surprise coming from you.
Except for it didn't come from me, it came from Best Korea, pay attention.
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@JoeBob
Banned at user request. Sad day everyone.
Sure, that's what they want you to think.
It's obviously a vast conspiracy, George Soros is probably behind it.
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@Best.Korea
I see, and what makes you qualified to "get rid of dysphoria"?Well, they do seem really obsessed with "helping" trans people, but what really bothers them is that trans people exist. It confuses their sexual attraction dichotomy of male and female, because they find trans women attractive and they cant make sense out of it and just want the feelings to go away.
Mall told us he had to "choose" his sexual orientation, apparently it could have gone either way for him and he "chose" to be heterosexual.
That's interesting, and weird, so maybe these guys are feeling excluded because they are afraid that they chose wrong? That might explain the obsession.
If you are attracted to both sexes, and you have to pick one, how do you deal with the insecurity about what you are? Perhaps it makes you angry.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
[Sidewalker] Two weeks before the 2020 election, Trump insisted that Barr arrest Biden and his family, Barr refused.You believe that Double_R?
Of course he does, it's how the MAGA clowns came up with it. Isn't "accuse Biden of what Trump does" your campaign strategy
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@Mall
The question is about getting rid of dysphoria.
I see, and what makes you qualified to "get rid of dysphoria"? What kind of training do you have.
Assuming you know the secret to "rectifying" dysphoria, please explain how you do it.
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@3RU7AL
This is not what I'm asking. The question is about getting rid of dysphoria. Are you encouraging not to help people that don't want the dysphoria that are seeking the help ?Drop the bias and address this.i already answered this(IFF) someone wants help or therapy or something (THEN) they should be free to seek help or therapy or something
Yep, and that is what is happening, but these MAGA clowns disapprove and want to "rectify" it.
HOWEVER,it is a bit ridiculous to ASSUME that every single person who is trans thinks it's some sort of major problem that must be solved
And it's astoundingly weird to ASSUME that every single person who is trans needs to have Mall "rectify" it for them.
What does it even mean to "rectify" a transgender person?
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Two weeks before the 2020 election, Trump insisted that Barr arrest Biden and his family, Barr refused.
After losing the election Trump tried to overturn it with an insurrection.
And now the MAGA folks are claiming Trump is the victim of these things.
The MAGA folks are really really fucked up.
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@Greyparrot
Here's an idea, let them deal with their life, and you deal with yours.That's a pretty selfish way to build a society, where you leave the weak to fend for themselves....
A much better way is to "rectify" anyone who is different.
Especially if you are trying to build a master race society.
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@Mall
I tell you what. Figure out how to solve gender identity dysphoria. Let us know.That's the point of this topic. Stay on topic.You and these transgender topics. Do you know somebody personally that's a transgender or something? Somebody close to home is that it?
Nope, as I said, it doesn't affect me, and I just don't give it much thought, what I don't understand is why you and others like you are so drawn to it, so passionate about it, so obsessed with it. Why is it so important to you that the existence of the transgender community needs to be rectified?
And only an idiot would buy that nonsense that you want to be their savior, you are the great rectifier LOL.
Here's an idea, let them deal with their life, and you deal with yours.
Does this person have the dysphoria? I'm sure the person would appreciate your construction resolution in regards to the topic, to the topic, to the topic.We thank you.
You seem to think this is an echo chamber and anyone who doesn't mimic you is off topic, that's bullshit.
If you only want to talk to people who agree with you, there are web sites for that, but this is a debate site, and no, we don't need you to "rectify" that either.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
When you really press them about why it bothers them so much, they tend to talk about it as if it's contagious, I think that is very telling.The growth curve is identical to a contagion.
I really don't think it's contagious, but if you are that afraid, by all means, wear a mask, see if there is a vaccine, wash your hands a lot.
Fight the urge, next time you start feeling confused, take a cold shower.
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@3RU7AL
for reasons (A), (B), and (C)i'm pretty certain all of those things were happening long before the term "gender identity"
I'm pretty certain all of the inner turmoil and deep insecurity were happening long before these haters decided to focus their anger on the transgender community.
I really don't think someone who is "comfortable" with who, and what, they are give it any thought at all, I mean, why would they, I know I don't.
These guys need to look inside to discover why the transgender community attracts so much of their attention and generates such passion, and perhaps it will help them get some control over themselves, stop obsessing, maybe stop being afraid of who they might be deep down. At least the transgender community is being honest with themselves.
When you really press them about why it bothers them so much, they tend to talk about it as if it's contagious, I think that is very telling.
I'm sorry they are "uncomfortable" with their own life, but they really shouldn't take it out on the transgender community, it reminds me of a little dog barking at himself in the mirror.
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@Mall
Don't folks commit suicide over gender identity?If that's not a crisis,I don't know what is .
The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than of deep conviction. The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without. - Eric Hoffer
What is it about the gender identity issue that causes your doubt and uncertainty?
Perhaps your anger is directed at the transgender community because you feel excluded.
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@RaymondSheen
I thought that other than a few of the dinosaurs, no one made albums anymore.
That's about it, when pot stopped having seeds in it, we just didn't need albums anymore :)
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It's a roast of the PresidentOh cool, so you think Trump is the legitimate sitting president. Weird take, but ok.
No, I already told you, Trump is the only President to vain and thin skinned to even attend the correspondent's dinner.
It's the MAGA snowflake thing.
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@Greyparrot
Cool, so you won't have to worry about Trump in Ukraine, or the sea of American flags on J6.
Of course not, criminal defendants with 91 felony charges aren't allowed to leave the country, don't be silly..
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@Greyparrot
Pretty sure they were not waving Ukrainian flags.
They were doing what Trump told them to do, if he didn't say Ukranian Flag, then there wasn't a Ukranian Flag.
But there was a gallows they brought for the Vice President.
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@Greyparrot
Maybe you will be more welcome in Ukraine. I heard Congress cares more about them than Americans, even waving their flag patriotically during a Congressional session.
I think that was the same place MAGA insurrectionists were waving a confederate flag,...or was that where they were beating on a police officer with an American flag, I can't remember.
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@Greyparrot
Correspondence dinners are the same as the Oscars. It's all for show and to make fun of low class Americans.
It's a roast of the President, Trump is the only truly low class American to ever be President, and of course he wasn't mature enough to attend one.
Even the snakiest of journalists thought it was in poor taste, and groaned audibly, as it will cost Biden the election by being way too out of touch with America.
Snowflake, snowflake, snowflake, Mommy Mommy, they are making fun of me, boo hoo hoo. It's OK little Donnie, Daddy will give you another hundred million dollars to make you feel better, and someday you will grow up to be a typical "average working American".
America is just about done with the elite upper class fucking up the country for average working Americans. "Let them eat cake" isn't working anymore.
Oh yeah, so let's put that average working American Donald Trump in charge, he'll show that upper-class what's what LOL.
Every week I think, well, at least MAGA can't get any dumber, and then again and again, they prove me wrong.
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@Best.Korea
I dont care how people identify.
I am at a loss to understand why anybody gives a damn and am truly mystified by how many people get all bunged up about it.
What are we talking, like .5% of the population, one out of every 200 people or so? I'm just glad it's not something I need to deal with, but to each their own, it's certainly not my business.
These people that make it their business and rant and rave, there must be something important missing from their own lives that makes them want to fill it with anger at people they don't know or understand. This doesn't have anything to do with them, I suspect they focus on other people's problems to distract them from thier own.
I think they've got their own kind of dysphoria going on, it's an identity dysphoria.
We get it, you are angry people, but pretending that your anger comes from other people's lives is nonsense, it's your own life that made you an angry person, don't try to lay it off on other people, nobody is buying it.
How about you guys deal with you own shit and leave these people alone.
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@sadolite
Join the club. I couldn't tell you the name of a single top ten song in any music genre. The only recent names I would know in the music industry would be because of social media drama and not their music. LOL I did go down the list of the first 5 songs and clicked on the links , I couldn't get past the first 20 seconds on each one. I'm a three piece band with a singer music lover. Bands like SRV, led Zeppelin, ZZ top etc. Pure fucking talent. But that's just me. People like what they like and good for them.
Yep, you're talkin' 'bout my g g g generation.
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@Greyparrot
Biden was making jokes about putting his political rival in prison at the WH dinner.Even the Democrat journalists moaned at the poor taste.The polls show it.
Trump is the only president in history that was too vain for the correspondent's dinner roast.
And yep, making jokes is what the dinner is all about.
MAGA people are such snowflakes.
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If you were being sarcastic, fine. But if you were being serious, all I read was a whole lot of sophomoric banality.
Apparently, she didn't watch the video.
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@Best.Korea
Key Takeaways:
- Recent legal processes say Donald Trump has 91 Felony charges
- Despite some improvements in prison security, Trump will soon be putting on a dress and dancing for his cell mate "Rocky".
- The halls will be filled with the sound of "The Donald" squealing like a pig.
- Rocky's new nickname for Trump will be "My Bitch".
- Trump also squeals like a pig for Rocky's friends, relatives, and some large mammals.
- Trump learns to enjoy squealing like a pig for Rocky and his friends.
Thoughts?
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@JoeBob
For starters, there is no missing dollar.3x10=30Minus the 5 gives us 25$ which is what they are payingSo then the bellhop goes, and gives them 3 dollars to split, which equals 28. The bellhop keeps 2, which is 30.
Well done, very few people catch the mistake where I said plus two instead of minus two.
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@JoeBob
Three men on a fishing trip had to check into a hotel because of inclement weather. The hotel has one room left and the bellhop tells them the room is $30 and checks them in, the men give ten dollars each and go to the room. The manager comes back and tells the bellhop the room is only $25 and send him to give them their $5 back. Because the men can't evenly divide $5 they each take a dollar and give the bellhop a $2 tip for bringing it.
So...the men paid $10, got a dollar back, so each paid $9. $9 times 3 is $27, and the bellhop got $2.
$27 plus $2 is $29, but they intially paid $30...where did the other dollar go?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If the Supreme Court decides Trump is above the law, does that mean his lawyers are above the law too?
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@Double_R
Curious to know how you all saw it.
I saw it the same way you saw it, they aren't serious, its just another stall tactic that won't be taken seriously in any legal way.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
You must contact the police about this ASAP it isn't a joke anymore. This is actionable. I already thought it was his previous thread but this is too much, he may convince someone else to do it either way. - Ratman
Reported for advocating the false reporting of a serious law enforcement emergency.
This is actionable, it amounts to a pattern of criminal harassment of those he opposes on this site.
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You must contact the police about this ASAP it isn't a joke anymore. This is actionable. I already thought it was his previous thread but this is too much, he may convince someone else to do it either way. - Ratman
Reported for advocating the false reporting of a serious law enforcement emergency.
This is actionable, it amounts to a pattern of criminal harassment of those he opposes on this site.
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@ebuc
Does Norwegian Law allow us to say Ratman is a whack job drama queen.The greater whack job is this thread. See 3RU7AL vid to see how whacky it can get with philosophy in regards to the label God { clearly not well defined from the get go }.When does philosophy go whacky? This thread is good { God } example.Heaven > God > Aborted Child{?} as if a fetus is breathing child.Philosophy can get whacky for sure, and religous God chatter puts whacky icing on top of whacky philosophy.Which came first whacky philosophy or whacky religion?Which has more quacks participating. Philosophy or Religion?
Most philosophical discussions about God are innane, but that is no excuse for Ratman's nonsense. It is absolutely idiotic for Ratman to insist we report the thread to the police because it advocates terrorism. That's wacky even for a whack job like Ratman. his whiney baby bullshit is mean spirited and stupid.
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@whiteflame
The OP is illegalI honestly don’t see how.You are helping a highly potential terrorist get away with it. This is his manifesto. You must understand he can even convince someone else to do it with this.Lot of conclusions there that I’m not seeing reflected in the post. I don’t agree that this is an attempt to convince someone to engage in a school shooting, but I’ve posed this to the other mods for consideration.
Does Norwegian Law allow us to say Ratman is a whack job drama queen.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Need to kill a political opponent? Well you could send your goons to "convict" him and then he just happens to die in custody, or you could "convict" him and then let the assassins go after him.You know, whatever works. Just remember USA is always democratic and the people the Pentagon doesn't like never are!P.S. Unlike Underdog's misinformation, this is based in fact.
And if that doesn't work, we can always zap his ass with our Jewish Space Lasers.
You guys don't realize just how vast the vast conspiracy is, it's really really vast.
There is nothing you can do about it, it's that vast.
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@Tidycraft
It's a little strange, do you guys ever talk about Canadian things?
What is the difference between Sidewalker and the Stanley Cup?
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In the last thirty years, I've been to Canada.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
How many MAGA MORONS on this site have lost money investing in DJT stock?
Good thing they have those Trump NFTs, Gold Sneakers, and collectible Trump Bible to fall back on, with all that plus that degree from Trump University, they should be flush.
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It looks like I'm late to notice this thread, and it looks like we are just asking random questions to Michael Huemer without any reference to his work. If I'm not too late, I have a few questions for Dr. Huemer about his Ethical Intuitionism:
1) If the mind is constructive, then how do we really know what raw materials went into arriving at the moral knowledge, in the act of becoming aware of moralknowledge, how do we know that the source of this knowledge was intuitionrather than reason, or empirically derived from experience, or both. Perhaps thedifferences presented by Ethical Intuitionism are just semantic, just a differentway of looking at the issue, or maybe they are just different aspects of oneand the same process. When knowledge presents itself to awareness, there hasusually been a lot of information processing that has occurred prior to themoment of conscious awareness. You have talked about “how itfeels”, but I learned my multiplication tables a long time ago, now I just knowwhat 8x8 is without thinking about it, “how itfeels” is as if it is known intuitively. How do you know intuitive moral knowledge wasn’t previously learned through experience, acculturation, learning, reasoning, etc.?
2) If Ethical Intuitionism can be said to be revealing truth,and the individual intuitions are not consistent among different individuals,then aren’t we left with conflicting truths violating the law ofnoncontradiction.
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@zedvictor4
Who?
You know, from the Buffalo Bills, Heisman trophy, winner, bad acting, Hertz commercials...Hertz asked him if he would do another commercial and he said "I don't know, I'll have to axe my wife first".
That guy.
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