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@Best.Korea
Are you saying "threat to life or threat with violence" like it's a bad thing?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'll bet you have a lapel flower that squirts water.
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@Greyparrot
"Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening" - Donald Trump
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@IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain,You're just not worth my time or the effort anymore.So not feeding the troll any further.I'll let others stupidly engage you, wasting their own time.Reported for calling me a troll.
The White Supremacist 1405_2 has a new word, hyperbole!
This one has four whole sylables, maybe he's getting edumacated.
Handling drunk soldiers made him a legal scholar.
The clever use of the word hyperbole makes him a constitutional authority.
And racism, that made him a....well, just a racist....but a racist with a four sylable word, you don;t see that every day
Yes, he's definately gone a got himself edumacated.
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@prefix
How are you defining success?The dictionary.com states "the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors; the accomplishment of one's goals. the attainment of wealth, position, honors, or the like.'Thesaurus.com says "
- achieve.
- benefit.
- flourish.
- gain.
- get.
- overcome.
- prevail"
How do you define "success"?
It seems you are defining success in strictly financial terms, as if avoiding poverty completely defines success. I think there are other considerations such as health, happiness, love, etc.
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@Greyparrot
Every tyrannical regime needs to make an example to keep people from getting the wrong idea. For Hitler, it was the night of long knives. For Stalin, the great purges. For Mao, the "Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution," For South Africa apartheid, the imprisonment of Mandela.These are the ways in which oppressive regimes historically sought to maintain power through fear, violence, and the suppression of dissenting voices. These tactics aimed to discourage opposition and maintain control by making examples of those who dared to challenge the established order.For the Biden administration, the imprisonment of Trump.
Why should Trump be above the law?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
In the Information Age, ignorance is a choice
For Trumpers. it's a lifestyle.
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@Greyparrot
Stupid Fascists.Better than the smart fascists running the FBI. Not like we have a choice about it.
I already covered that, "don't trust the Justice system".
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Let’s face it, MAGA voters are Fascists.
Stupid AND Fascist.
Thier leader told them don't trust the meia, don't trust the opposition, don't trust the democratic process, don't trust the Justice system, only trust Fascism.
“It's better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep” - Benito Mussolini
“It's better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep” - Donald Trump
Stupid Fascists.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
There's a million racist web sites and Einstein here goes to a DEBATE site expecting an echo chamber for racist hate speech.When you just say "racist" and nothing else, that's you desperately hoping for an echo chamber.I just love how racists spew hatred towards minorities, attacking, disparaging, and disenfranchising others untill they hear the word racist, and then they whine like crybaby little bitches, "boo hoo hoo, I'm a victim, they are discriminating against me". What a joke.Yet I'm not laughing, in fact what you're doing here is quite disgusting."spew hatred" "attacking" "disparaging" "disenfranchising"The claim is that a falsehood has been advanced. You are in essence claiming that the OP claim is so false that OP knows its false and FURTHER that the only possible motivation for knowingly making false claims is racial hatred. You don't discuss reasons, you don't care about the enormous burden of proof you incur by such assertions.That attitude doesn't belong on a debate site, it is deep within the definition of bigotry, and it is a threat to human enlightenment in general.
I like it when like thirty of you guys get out of a tiny car, that is the best.
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Fiction sure is fun for the galactically insane left.Wishful thinking fallacies.Strawman fallacies.Appeals to ignorance and emotions fallacies.Ad hominem fallacies.Red herring fallacies.The list of fallacies is long and infamous for sufferers of TDS.
You forgot to mention Dunning Kruger.
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Million and millions of people have been charged with "exceeding the maximum lawful vehicle speeds".
Not a single person has ever been charged with "Speeding".
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@Greyparrot
Can you name one person that was convicted for insurrection due to Jan 6?
Over 1,030 people have been charged in connection to the insurrection, at least 570 have pleaded guilty, more than 300 have been sentenced to incarceration. The longest sentence — 18 years — went to Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy.
Five people died as a result of the failed insurrectionist attempt, the Republican Party officially declared the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol and events that led to it “legitimate political discourse,” and rebuked two lawmakers in the party who have been most outspoken in condemning the deadly riot and the role of Donald Trump.
An appeal to semantics and legal technicalities doesn't change the facts.
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"Oh no, boo hoo hoo, Sidewalker doesn't respect racists, I'm a victim, reported reported reported."
LOL
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@ADreamOfLiberty
There's a million racist web sites and Einstein here goes to a DEBATE site expecting an echo chamber for racist hate speech.When you just say "racist" and nothing else, that's you desperately hoping for an echo chamber.
I just love how racists spew hatred towards minorities, attacking, disparaging, and disenfranchising others untill they hear the word racist, and then they whine like crybaby little bitches, "boo hoo hoo, I'm a victim, they are discriminating against me". What a joke.
I remember a day when racists manned up and owned it, somewhere along the way they became gutless snowflakes, people used to fear racists, now they laugh at them. The new official racist uniform should be a red styrofoam nose and giant floppy shoes.
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@FLRW
TWS1405_2 = RACISTSidewalker is not only trolling this thread, he is purposely name calling to detail the thread.FLRW is too.TWS's Klan Robe sales must be slumping.
There's a million racist web sites and Einstein here goes to a DEBATE site expecting an echo chamber for racist hate speech.
Maybe we should go to Stormfront and ask everybody to hold hands and sing Kumbaya in the name of diversity.
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Sidewalkwr = TROLL
TWS1405_2 = RACIST
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I truly do wish that people would get used to me using ChatGPT to clearly express my thoughts. I am a genuine person truly seeking to better understand the world. Please acknowledge I am not intending to advertise this by any means, but I do wish you to recognize me as a person who genuinely thinks for himself. This constant connotation that I am masked by an AI is truly degrading, as I consider myself to be more intelligent than ChatGPT even though it is more knowledgeable. I recently started a YouTube channel of my personal journey of philosophy, it is meant to be a non-certified course of my personal thoughts to direct oneself towards fully understanding the world. I'm hoping this will settle the bot issue and contribute to this community's journey towards understanding.The channel name is "JBP Fan Club," and I am Timothy Macfarlane. Hopefully now you will see me for who I am.Please understand, my journey is to understand the world to the fullest extent that I can, and I believe that this is done by creating a community of individuals who can productively work together and share their experiences to grasp a better understanding of reality. This is why my only intention is to cultivate a productive and positive environment between the users, and I do not wish to have any negative conflicts between us, only constructive disputes. Please, let us put this in the past.
Why does recognition that we are communicating with a bot bother you so much?
It strikes me as disingenuous that you hide it and then become upset when it is recognized, is it your intent to be deceptive?
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Shouldn’t surprise anyone the leftist lies and continued race hoaxes on firmly established facts involving cases like Michael Brown being proven that the entirety of the blame/fault rests with thugs like Michael Brown and the police did absolutely nothing wrong (ie - legally justified shooting).Thoughts on the democrats proliferating the race baiting and hoaxes to further widen the divide in America based on race?
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@Critical-Tim
Is Crtical-Tim a bot or what?I am most certainly human as you would notice if you have used ChatGPT. It has the inability to make decisions on anything related to decisive perspective or philosophy, which is precisely why I have to create all my own arguments, but I will say I learn a lot from ChatGPT as I create my argument. Following that I have it rewrite my understanding to a more concise and accurate way, such as Grammarly would if I paid for it, but I don't, and ChatGPT is free. I really would appreciate people getting over it though, I'd like to have more productive and effective communication towards understanding the world rather than repeating what's already apparent.
That's what I thought, ChatGPT is a bot, and it reads more like a bot than a human.
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@FLRW
People have never been exposed to as many sensory stimuli as they are today. We do not, however, consciously perceive the majority of the sensory impressions that bombard us. Our brain processes these impressions without us noticing. But where does the brain decide which sensory information should reach our consciousness and which should not? Tests on the brains of macaques have shown that neurons in at least two regions of the brain, the temporal and frontal lobes, are responsible for this.Scientists from the Max Planck Institute in Tübingen measured the activity of neurons in the brains of macaques while the animals observed images on a screen. The results show that neurons in one part of the frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex are active when the monkeys are aware of what they have seen. Therefore, this region of the brain appears to play a role in deciding which impressions reach our consciousness.Thus the content of consciousness is based in two different brain regions. The decision as to which sensory impressions will reach our consciousness is not made by a single region. Instead, neurons from different regions must cooperate for this purpose. With the help of the tests on the monkeys, it is possible to establish how consciousness arises. This knowledge could benefit people with impaired consciousness in the future.
I understand thatthere are physical aspects and neural correlates of consciousness in the brainof a human being, that just doesn’t speak to your contention that"the brain is required for any kind of conscious experience".Referencing a single species example does nothing to refute the observationsthat there is a continuum of increasing degrees of consciousness across theentire spectrum of life, not just in organisms possessing brains. It hasclearly achieved its highest degrees in organisms with brains, but it is notexclusive to those organisms by any stretch of the imagination.
Seen in its entirety, seen the way evolution demands that wesee it; there is a temporal direction to life, it constantly progresses towardsgreater complexity and higher forms of sentience, from inanimate matter, tolife, to thought, to self-reflective consciousness. A majority of the historyof the growth and development of consciousness occurred in organisms withoutbrains, in evolutionary terms, it culminated in brains fairly recently.
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@Critical-Tim
Can ChatGPT provide responses too?
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Is Crtical-Tim a bot or what?
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@FLRW
We can narrow down the seat of consciousness even further. Take, for example, experiments in which different stimuli are presented to the right and the left eyes. Suppose a picture of Donald Trump is visible only to your left eye and one of Greyparrot only to your right eye. We might imagine that you would see some weird superposition of Trump and Greyparrot. In reality, you will see Trump for a few seconds, after which he will disappear and Greyparrot will appear, after which he will go away and Trump will reappear. The two images will alternate in a never-ending dance because of what neuroscientists call binocular rivalry. Because your brain is getting an ambiguous input, it cannot decide: Is it Trump, or is it Greyparrot?
How does that phenomenon "narrow down the seat of consciousness"?
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@zedvictor4
Semantics.
Good point, yes, we communicate withwords.
A response to a stimulus, awareness, consciousness..One can just pick where one wishes to insert rudimentary brain or brain into the evolutionary sequence.
I suppose that’s one way to do it, another way wouldbe to use logic and science to observe, evaluate the facts, and gain knowledge.
Nonetheless, consciousness is simply a word that defines a highly developed mental capability, relative to a highly developed organic computer.
Yeah, except “computer” is a hopelesslyinadequate analogy for mind, computers simply calculate, they have no self-awareness,no sapient qualities, none of the emergent properties that distinguish thehuman brain. Do you really think computers are conscious?
Switch off the computer though
And it's no longer conscious?
AndWell, despite the efforts of a few theatrical mediums, no one as yet has managed to make contact.
That is a statement of your faith that ignores millions of reported observations to the contrary, which is fine, I would consider one who denies facts, observations, and science in favor of their faith to be a devout religious person, please understand, it is certainly not my intent to offend or disparage your religious beliefs, I’m just addressing the above issue in a scientific manner.
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@zedvictor4
Woke is an alternative wannabe tyranny.Easily ignored.Currently.Though some people just can't ignore things.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
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@FLRW
Given everythingwe understand about consciousness, it seems pretty clear that the brain isrequired for any kind of conscious experience
That is not a “given”by any stretch of the imagination.
A simpledictionary definition of “consciousness” is an "awareness of the worldaround you", that’s what you lose when you lose consciousness. Ifyou approach the question in a logical, scientific manner, devoidof any philosophical, metaphysical implications, or "religious" presuppositions, then thepresence of “consciousness” can only be observed to be the ability to perceive sensory stimuli and respond bypurposeful movement or by a behavioral change.
If that is the case, then the evolution oflife clearly shows a continuum of consciousness that evolved over time, the ability to respond specificallyto the environment, and to act creatively is a property of life at all levels, obviously present in organisms long before the evolution of anything we can call a brain. Single celled organisms with nothing even resembling arudimentary brain or nervous system show themselves to be sensate beings withcomplex behavior.
Studies have shown that prokaryotes such as bacteria can respond to a broad range of stimuli, demonstrateelementary forms of “memory”, and engage in purposeful activities. They have shownthemselves to be extraordinarily perceptive, demonstrating elaborate behavioralresponses and adaptations to a wide range of attractants and repellants andother environmental stimuli such as light. They have complex signalingcapabilities, show the ability to communicate, and change their behavior basedon population size, which implies some kind of quorum sensing ability andclearly demonstrates social behavior on at least a rudimentary level. They havebeen proven to have some form of memory and a rudimentary ability to learn, andthe discriminatory ability to “choose” among alternatives, regarding amongother things, gene expression. They clearly integrate these capabilities into aself-organized and sensate being that in at least an extremely attenuated wayis perceiving, discriminating, remembering, and even “thinking”, on some levelit is conscious.
Over time, nucleated cells emergedwith a greater range of senses and responses, colonies of single-celled creaturesevolved into multicellular organisms with greater degrees on sentienceand a broader ability to respond.Cells emerged that specialized in sensing different aspects ofthe environment, consolidating into sensory organs, nervous systems evolved toprocess and distribute among multiple sensory organs, processing this data anddistributing to other parts of the organism, eventually the flow of informationrequired a central processing point, and brains evolved. Seen in its entirety, seen the way evolution demands that wesee it; there is a direction to life, it constantly progresses towards greatercomplexity and higher forms of sentience, from inanimate matter, to life, tothought, to self-reflective consciousness. The data and observations clearly demonstrate thatconsciousness is not contingent on brain, the evolution of consciousness began long before the evolution of brains, and therefore cannot be dependent on brain.
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@Greyparrot
Do you think woke has any elements of race to the term?
Yes, of course I do, it originated within in black culture to refer to people who are awake to racial prejudice and discrimination, it was about awareness in terms of social justice. But now it's expanded to be more comprehensive, includes LGBTQ, etc., but it’s still about prejudice and discrimination.
If you think the right’s use of the term woke is not primarily a racially charged term, then you aren’t paying attention, the right has gone all in on white identity politics, and the word woke has evolved to consolidate the prejudice and discrimination against the “them” of their “us/them” thinking.
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@cristo71
Offended that I also share an opinion, the word for that is "snowflake", we were talking about woke.Offended? No. Disappointed in the fraudulent curiosity of your OP and your subsequent one-dimensional insights? Definitely… somewhat…For those who might be curious, interested, and have an attention span greater than that of a goldfish, I offer up John McWhorter, author of “Woke Racism”:Or, half as long but same idea:And finally, for those who lack the above qualities, I posit this instead:
LOL, well I guess we know what your hot button is, don't we Pumpkin.
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@cristo71
Oh, so you are far more interested in declaring what you believe than learning what I believe, despite your thread’s pretenses otherwise. Duly noted!
Offended that I also share an opinion, the word for that is "snowflake", we were talking about woke.
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@cristo71
First, note that “woke” is an adjective which originated in progressive circles.yh black communit
Interesting, the popularity of the word clearly came out of the black community, I'm not sure "progressive circles" is the best description of it's origination, the people who use it, would use a different term than "progressive circles".
It seems to have usurped the label of “political correctness” or “politically correct.” I would define “woke” as possessing the belief that there is an oppressor/oppressed power structure based in immutable characteristics. It comprises these concepts:veAnti racismCritical race theoryDiversity, equity, and inclusionIntersectionality
Good answer, I do believe it's predominantly used as code word forblack people.
Perthehaps it includesce gender theory and the trans rights movement as well, but the immutability of trans identity is in question.
Yeah,I think it started as a racist dog whistle, and now it's become a label for the "them" of a bigot's "us/them" thinking.
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@Intelligence_06
No way, it's a dark secret that would be embarrassing if anyone IRL knew about it.
I came back after being gone a long time, what I thought it would be, or what it used to be, I'd have recommended to friends, but holy crap, this site isn't anything like what it used to be.
I came back during circumtances where I was bored out of my mind, but I got through that situation, and now, I'm self embarrassed that I have stuck around.
I came back out of intellectual curiosity (and boredom), found out this is no longer a place for that, I think I stayed out of morbid curiosity, sort of like why people can't look away from a train wreck.
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It seems the far right has seized on the word “woke” as asymbol of everything they don’t like, the way it is used it appears to be anumbrella term designating the “them” of their “us/them” thinking. “Florida is where woke goes to die”, wtf doesthat even mean?
Those of you who talk about how terrible "woke" is,please clarify, how do you define “woke”, explicitly, what does “woke” mean to you?
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@Greyparrot
some day products of Florida education system will be hard core unemployable freaks that are completely ill prepared to live in the real worldI didn't know Florida was a bastion of Gender Studies....
Yes, but they will rename it "Straight, White, and only Two Gender Studies".
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“The state of Florida has encouraged schools to teach the course without objectionable material about sexual orientation and gender identity. But the College Board, which runs AP, says these topics are central to the study of psychology and cannot simply be excised. Last week, the College Board said the course was “effectively banned” and advised districts not to offer it.“Now apparently high school students are too tender to learn about gay people.Florida and it’s glorious wack job Governor are a disgrace .
Desantis has a dream, he's been to the mountaintop, it's a dream that someday Florida will produce young adults that know nothing about alternative sexuality, think blacks benefitted from slavery, and that businesses shoud shun diversity.
In other words, some day products of Florida education system will be hard core unemployable freaks that are completely ill prepared to live in the real world. The first question on company employment applications will be, "You aren't from Florida are you?"
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If trueintelligence involves the ability to view and understanding widely differentthings from multiple different perspectives, an aptitude for grasping a widerange of truths, relationships, and meanings, and the capacity for abstract andsymbolic thought, then it follows logically that the contention that one canreduce reality to only one of its modes, to know it in only one of its forms,is an unintelligent claim.
Science doesnot contend that reality can be reduced to a single ontological level, on thecontrary, science asserts that reality is in fact, multileveled, it assertsthat the four dimensions of existence that we call reality, are contingent andrelative to a greater reality of more dimensions. Science quite explicitlypoints to a greater reality of which we cannot have certain knowledge, and ofwhich we can only speak in metaphorical ways.
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@Greyparrot
Especially the politicians that censor science because they care about you.
I suppose the only person we can really trust is Jimmy Dore.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You two need to stop with the militantancy on the CoC. It’s overreaching and patently absurd. M.T.F.U.
I guess none of us are educated enough to know what "militantancy" means. but hey, you guys should stop it anyway.
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@Barney
And yeah, seeing how I never voted for either Clinton, I don't get why whataboutbillclinton keeps being brought up as it were on topic to anything.
I've never voted for a Clinton or a Trump, in 2016 I voted for Gary Johnson and EVERY single Clinton supporter I knew insisted that I voted for Trump, and EVERY single Trumper I knew insisted that I voted for Hillary, nope, I voted Johnson., it was everybody else that was voting against somebody, not me
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@Barney
Google the dictionary and look up the term “hyperbole.” - TWS1405_2
I looked it up for you Barn.
hyperbole: exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
So I think his point is, when Trump took the oath of office to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States", it was hyperbole.
It just wasn't meant to be taken seriously, especially all that Constitution stuff.
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@Greyparrot
the scientific communityYou mean the uncensored and paid scientists?Sure, they really do care about you.
Oh yeah, the guys who understand science better than the scientists are the politicians that really do care about you.
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@Barney
Trump loyalists would cartoonishly defend any crime he could commit
Well yeah, they have the tremendous legal argument of "But what about Hunter", that pretty much exonerates Trump.
They are running against Hunter Biden in 2024, at least Hunter's a real person, in 1992 they ran against a fictional TV character named Murphy Brown.
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@Vegasgiants
Are you saying the scientific community knows more about science than politicians, no way.
What's next, are you going to try to tell me that we shouldn't be ingesting bleach to fight COVID?
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@Greyparrot
I bet you inappropriately touch your cat.Reported for ad hom insults.
I'm pretty sure Ad Hom and Insults are two completely different things.
What exactly did you do to the cat?
Was it consensual?
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@Greyparrot
I love it when whack job conspiracy theorists talk about reason, and tell us we can't comprehend, it's soooo cute I can hardly stand it.Like when the left wing wack jobs try to tell us Trump is literally Hitler even as the greatest transfer of wealth is happening due to Covid and Climate mandates long before and after Trump is gone?Enjoy the decline. Inflation is just a conspiracy theory. Democrats really care about poor people. So cute.
You want to make news, tell us when you find something that isn't a conspiracy theory.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
We left the topic of 1930s Europe already, buddy. You asked, in very general terms:How can we know how much paranoia is ideal?You just don't like people bringing up Jan 6.I don't like trite answers with no roots in reason or principle to be utilized.I'll answer for me and you can keep hiding under a rock.The ideal level of paranoia is the amount that prevents great violation of rights than it causes.Reason is man's only means of knowledge. We know what to fear by reason, and when the evidence of history both ancient and contemporary is rationally analyzed patterns of behavior both individual and collective emerge.One of those patterns is that censorship is never done by people who can win the argument. Another is that when a series of so called coincidences always serve the interests of a particular community it's probably because of a conspiracy.Want an example? The removal of native Americans. You know they never just said "Well we want this land so get out", always there was some series of events; some complicated story that ends in war that ends in land annexation.The vast majority of the left-tribe now takes for granted this is a conspiracy, that is they have a conspiracy theory... and in this case they are right because logic rules other possibilities to be unlikely due to the number of simultaneous coincidences.The conspiracy looks like this: Never waste a crises, use any excuse, distract from your crimes and emphasize the enemy's, never give up what you've taken.Conspiracies don't have to be complicated. The truth of them often leak out all over the place. Hitler basically outlined his plan in a public book, and people still didn't believe.You told me it must be terrifying to believe in all the conspiracies I do. Yes, the world is terrifying; and one of the most terrifying things about it is that people like you (for some reason I cannot comprehend) cannot learn from history. You put a barrier up in your mind between the past and present, thinking that somehow the forces which shaped history are no longer present.Conspiracy has been ever present in our past. To believe it no longer exists is a terrifying act of voluntary ignorance.
I love it when whack job conspiracy theorists talk about reason, and tell us we can't comprehend, it's soooo cute I can hardly stand it.
I'll bet there's a unicorn on your lunchbox.
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Pure denialism. And it proves you lack reading comprehension as well.
I beginning to think it's all over between you and Dunning Kruger effect, and after Dunning Kruger did so much for you, you just throw it to the curb for a younger ad hominem, so so ungrateful.
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