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@Greyparrot
Are you saying "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children, Heil Hitler" isn't a good campain statement?
I think he's actually trying for Trump's VP .
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Trump has been charged with 78 crimes so far, more expected from Georgia for 2020 election interference, plus multiple civil cases, and already been found guilty of fraud with his charity scam, sexual assault and defamation of E. Jean Carroll, and multiple other crimes, he is facing up to 641 years in prison, and his entire legal defense can be sumarized in three words:
What about Hunter?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Ad hominem and genetic fallacies. Typical of one clearly exhibiting intellectual cowardice with a flare of grandiose pomposity.Greatest Hits!
I kinda miss Dunning Kruger Effect.
given my own legal background,Lol
I guess you missed where he posted his extensive legal resume, Trump would have made him a Supreme but he said "No, I won't work with Clarence Thomas."
no one can prove such a case. It’s purely a political indictment, not a legal one.Nonsense. Trump indicated with words he knew he had lost and that these theories from his crackpot lawyers were crazy talk. He took steps to overturn the election despite that. He’s guilty as charged. The MAGA morons who support him are delusional
It goes beyond delusional, his supporters know it and still let him stick it to them, no matter how many times he embarrasses them, lies to them, betrays them, makes them bend over and squeel like pig, they like it, and thier love grows.
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"I NEED ONE MORE INDICTMENT TO ENSURE MY ELECTION!" - Donald Trump
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Next up, the Fulton County indictment, that's one that a President can't pardon.
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@FLRW
I'm surprised that American Indians haven't asked for their own country in the state of New York.
If they give us back the $24 in beads, they can have Manhatten back.
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@WillyB
What about all the other crimes? How come they’re not plausible
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" - Donald Trump
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@n8nrgim
the only two crimes that seem plausible is the georgia election interference, and the effort to stop the count and place false electors in the other elections. while that's a good argument for crimes, both crimes require that trump had to intend to commit the crimes. trump is a crazy sonofabitch, is he not? if anyone believes his own BS, it's trump. so maybe he didn't have the mens rea, the criminal intent, with these alleged crimes. if he's not guilty of these two crimes, i would say he should walk free.
You are invoking the insanity defense, LOL, he's not guilty because he's a crazy sonofabitch, hilarious.
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@zedvictor4
The conundrum is simple.
It simply is not a conundrum.
And infinite isn't mysterious.
But the decimal system is mysterious?
And fractions is what I was brought up with.But 0.9999.....will still never equal 1
0.9999.....has always equaled 1 and it always will. No conundrum.
Because you can not divide 1 precisely by 3 decimally.
Yes you can, it ust gives you a repeating decimal.
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@Best.Korea
The problem: There is no step at which you complete the path. No matter how many steps you make, you will never complete the path. The duration of a step is irrelevant, as the step never lasts 0 seconds. Since infinite steps are needed, infinite time is needed as well.That, my friend, is the math problem.
You discount the fact that you prove yourself wrong a thousand times a day, every day. According to you, movement is impossible, presumably you can actually move, how do you explain that?
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@zedvictor4
Nope.
Yep
It just doesn't work.
Yes it does
Because you can not divide 1 precisely by 3 decimally.
Of course you can, so one divided by three times three equals one with fractions but not with decimals? You show that when the decimal is not repeating it doesn't work, but so what, the decimal is repeating. Are you challenging the validity of the decimal system because you disapprove of repeating decimals, really?
The equation fails at the first stage.
At the stage where the decimal isn't repeating, so what?
.3 is 3 tenthsTimes 3 = 9 tenths.9 tenths does not equal 1Doesn't matter how many 9's..999 = 999 thousandths1 thousandth short of one.
Yep, when the decimal is not repeating it doesn't, but so what, that has nothing to do with it. There is no point at wheich a repeating decimal halts, that's like saying the number of natural numbers is not infinite, it must be finite because at some point you stop counting.
You can't just inject rules into mathematics because the word "infinite" has to be mysterious.
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@zedvictor4
And I easily demonstrated that 0.9... will always fall .1 or .01 etcetera, short of 1.
No, you didn't.
No rigour required.
It's not complicated, it's just a repeating decimal, so it never falls short. It's just how the decimal system represents a fraction.
1 divided by 3 is 1/3,
1/3 times 3 is 1
1=1 simple
And representing the fractions with decimals is just as simple.
1 divided by 3 is .333...
.333... times 3 is .999...
1=.999... simple.
Sure, the term "infinity" can be very mysterious, but a repeating decimal is just repeating, it doesn't become mysterious because you can think of it as repeating an "infinite" number of times. The repeating "infinity" is not the mysterious infinity, and there's no rigour to it at all.
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If a tree breaks and falls in the forest, does it make a sound even though no one is around to hear it?
No, it only makes a vibration in the air, "sound" is an experiential quality, you need an ear and sentience to convert the vibration into the experience of sound.
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@Vegasgiants
I hear they control the courts, the media, the education system, climate science and HollywoodOh....and they can rig electionsWow....that's really powerful
All must bow down or feel the wrath of our Jewish Space Lasers.
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@jamgiller
Except forAs long as the government has such control, there is going to be corruption.You're trying to sneak in a libertarian anti-government idea into an otherwise agreeable post about corruption.
According to GP's religion, he must include a libertarian ant-government idea into every post, and he is a devout follower.
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@FLRW
Basically he is the modern face of the GOP.
Are you sure, I thought the title was split between Marjorie Taylor Green and George Santos.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It couldn't have always existed, because again, something cannot come from nothing, so at some point, that something had to of come from something.Time is measurable; therefore, time must have a start, and anything that exists before time, cannot exist because you need both time, space, and matter, for something to exist.Secondly at some point there had to be nothing. That means no time, space, or matter. It is really hard for humans to picture nothing, because even a black void is something. Now why did there have to be this point? Because if something exists then there has to be something that created it, and before that thing created it, that something wouldn't exist.
These arguments are arguments against both sides of this debate.
Science says the answer transcends our frame of reference, and as such, it is beyond human understanding. Your argument says God did it, God transcends our frame of reference and as such, is beyond human understanding.
How does this favor one over the other? It doesn't.
You are relying on a God of the gaps approach, which is not a valid argument when our spiritual detractors use it, and it's no valid when spiritual supporters use it. The“God of the gaps” fallacy is typically invoked by both sides of this debate and takes many different forms, a few being “God of the gaps”, “evolutionary advantage ofthe gaps”, “complexity of the gaps”, “hidden variables of the gaps”, “emergentproperty of the gaps”, and I will contend that they are all one and the same theory inprinciple. All of them are only different forms of the argument from ignorance,illogical attempts to say that the lack of an adequate explanation supports mypresumptions, and not yours, which is a logically invalid argument.
The concept of the “God ofthe Gaps” was coined by a deeply religious evangelical lecturer named HenryDrummond and then made popular by the use of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, anotherdeeply religious man who was martyred by Adolf Hitler. They were not trying toimply that it was an explanatory term, both used the term to describe what Godis not, both were railing against dumbed down and uninformed conceptions, toseize upon it and use it as an ad hoc explanation of religion is uninformed andanti-intellectual to the point of being absurd.
No serious scholar of religion has ever found this "God of the gaps"theory to be even loosely correlated with the evidence, nor has it ever beenconsidered to be the least bit analytically useful in the intellectual study ofreligion or faith. Perhaps the concept is ideologically useful in places likeinternet debate forums, but no real scholar of religion, faith, or theologytakes it seriously, it really only indicates a lack of knowledge regarding the subjectmatter.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Why can't something have always existed? Why is that not possible?Because:Something cannot come from Nothing.Something has to come from Something.So, at some point that means that there had to be nothing, meaning something couldn't of always existed.
Not according to our best science, theoretically, this is how it is seen by our currently accepted science.
The Heisenberg UncertaintyPrinciple doesn’t just apply to the position and velocity of a particle, italso applies to the value and rate of change of a field, and it says the moreaccurately you know one, the less accurately you can know the other. This isn’t a function of our ability tomeasure by the way; it is a fundamental feature of reality according to theStandard Model. Consequently, theHeisenberg Uncertainty Principle tells us there is no such thing as an emptyspace because for there to be a truly empty space the value of the field andits rate of change would both need to be exactly zero; and the standard model,specifically Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle says that it can’t be exactlyzero
This is where you go wrong. Why can't something always have existed? In fact all evidence points to that it hasNo. Thats wrong thinking.
In the other thread "Contradictions" you argued (correctly I think) that there were no contradictions between science and Christianity, now you are pointing out contradictions, contradicting yourself is a weak argument.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Where did everything that occupied the tiny space come from then?Even the "very small point" had to come into existence somehow. How did that space come into existence?
Why does this argument only apply to one side of the argument?
Can't the opposition ask the same thing:
Where did God come from then?
Even God had to come into existence somehow. How did God come into existence?
What is the point of accusing them of not having answers that you don't have either?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I am an admitted and unashamed zoosexual
Well that's interesting, want to expand on that?
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@FLRW
What about the black kids (pickaninnies) that were used to bait alligators?
They were just grateful to be skilled at picking cotton.
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Dumb topic. Just dumb.
Sorry Pumpkin, maybe this will make it interesting for you, only 1.2 Billion are Caucasian, if there were no people of color, there would be no population problem.
There....happy now?
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@FLRW
Many scientists think Earth has a maximum carrying capacity of 9 billion to 10 billion people.
In 1758 Thomas Malthus told us we were screwed inf we keep it up.
In 1950 the population of the World was 2.5 billion. It is presently 8 billion.
In 1950 scientists didn't think the Earth could sustain 8 billion, scientific innovation keeps moving it out but at some point, we're going to max out.
In 2050 it will be 10 billion.
Soylent Green.
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@Vegasgiants
You got nothingI accept your concession
LOL, what passes for "clever" is simply amazing.
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In your fictional world, perhaps.Either way, I live rent free in your head.
Black people live rent free in TWS's head.
So much so that there's no room for anything else.
TWS1405_2 is Black.
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@Vegasgiants
But we do officially recognize those countriesWe don't for Taiwan
Officially is unofficially.
Recognized is unrecognized
China is Taiwan
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@Vegasgiants
Officially when we recognize a country they get a embassy and a ambassador
The US doesn't have an embassy or ambassador in Afghanistan, Bhutan, Iran, Maldives, Syria and Yemen.
Deny that
Yet, the US officially recognizes Afghanistan, Bhutan, Iran, Maldives, Syria and Yemen as countries.
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According to box office analyst Valliant Renegade, The Walt Disney Co. has faced significant losses, nearing $900 million, on its last eight studio releases. Titles like "The Little Mermaid" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" haven't been able to deliver the expected results, adding to Disney's economic woes. In fact, two of their recent films, "Strange World" and "Lightyear," were outright flops.Valliant Renegade then provides a hypothetical that each of the films could have received a $125 million of pay one window value if they had been licensed to another streaming platform. Multiply that by eight and the economic opportunity loss is $1 billion.Diversity & Inclusion” for its own sake isn’t enough.Race Swap: Diversity or Tokenism?Disney Ruins ANOTHER Classic Film with Woke Affirmative Action Race-Swap RemakeFans Complain About Disney’s New Tinker BellMaking White Characters Black Isn't Progress—It's Pandering. And It Insults Black Fans Like Me | OpinionDisney's new race-swapped Snow White movie removes dwarfs after accusations of ‘ableism’When will the idiocy of liberal progressive pandering to the closet racist Social Justice Warriors within their own ranks!?!Why is Disney, among other companies choosing the Woke Agenda, so damn willing to LOSE MONEY (i.e. PROFITS) over the ideological woke culture that does NOTHING to advance anything for anyone!?!Discuss!
Racist doesn't like diversity in movies, surprise surprise.
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@ebuc
C'mon man, don't get your panties in a bunch.His panties in a bunch/twisted since he arrived here, is my best guess.My guess is that TWS is code/acronym for twisted behaviour.
The code is not that complicated, TWS stands for The White Supremacist.
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@Greyparrot
Why is your side so weak and powerless in the media?My "side" isn't part of the ultra rich uniparty. I don't support the "side" that censors talk that would shock normal people (as in the video) when they are trying to screw the people over with manufactured issues and controlled opposition.
I don't think you actuallt have a side.
If there is a side you don't completely reject, then I missed a post.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
“The Georgia Supreme Court unanimously dismissed former president Donald Trump’s petition to block an Atlanta-area district attorney from investigating him over allegations of 2020 election interference and to throw out evidence gathered by a special purpose grand jury in the case”But knucklehead republicans will keep supporting him and believe he is a victim.
The big Jan 6 bombs will start exploding next week. He's got two optios, Presidency or prison, and he doesn't get to be President again.
Good chance he'll die in prison.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I refute aggressive or personal. I gave evidence of bigotry to undermine a bigoted argument.So calling people bigots and racists is back on the menu boyz.There's a billion bigot and racist sites on the internet, and these geniuses come to a debate site looking for an echo chamber LOL.FYI snowflakes, you can post all the racism and bigotry you want at Stormfront and nobody is gonna say you are a racist or bigot.Whether someone is a bigot is entirely besides the point.
No it isn’t, it is central to the point. Bigotry is a matter of prejudice, hatred, and disenfranchising groups of people, it is in and of itself, offensive and insulting . It represents behavior and opinions that elicit a certain response from others, and it is the ultimate hypocrisy to think a racist can be a racist but other’s aren’t allowed to respond because snowflake racists can handle the truth.
You don’t get to just declare that it doesn’t matter, maybe it doesn’t matter to a racist, but outside the trailer park, to the rest of the world, it matters.
It was TWS who was just claiming "truth" is an absolute defense that somehow means insults aren't insults.
That is complete nonsense, the thing with racists is to proclaim your racism is the “truth” and then proclaim that it means you aren’t a racist, racists aren’t racists, they are truth tellers LOL, racists are comical, something to laugh at, and if they don’t like being called racist, maybe they should stop being racists. It’s OK to have that opinion, but you should at least wear big floppy shoes and a red Styrofoam nose when you do it.
Whether you think someone is a bigot is irrelevant.
No, it isn’t, bigotry is about how the person relates to others, it is a specific manner of relating to others, and consequently, whether I think someone is a bigot is a primary factor that determines how I will relate to them. Decent people, people who are not bigots, think that when you demean others you demean yourself. The bigot determines their relationships with others, it’s just stupid to proclaim that it is irrelevant, “just because I’m a bigot people shouldn’t act like I’m a bigot”, I am here to offend people who are different than me, but people who are different than me have no right to offend me, they should know their place LOL. Maybe add a top hat with a flower sticking out of it to the floppy shoes and red nose.
Whether you can prove someone is irrational and stubborn is irrelevant.
Except you aren’t talking about a debate site, you are talking about an echo chamber, on a debate site proving someone irrational is relevant, it’s not an echo chamber, you guys can’t expect the mods to delete anyone who disagrees with you here, if that’s what you want, there are plenty echo chambers for you.
Calling someone a bigot or a racist is still an insult (unless they agree its not).
LOL, yes, I almost forgot bigots are snowflakes, they get to insult others, but others better not insult them, if a trans person wants us to use a different pronoun, fuck them, but I still expect them to comply with my wishes in how you refer to me, and true or not, I prefer you don’t use the word bigot or racist, it’s offensive to me, my bigotry and racism is only supposed to be offensive to the them of my us/them thinking. Let’s add huge oversized pants to the floppy shoes, red nose, and funny hat.
This is entirely inconsistent with the so called new interpretation of the CoC (which still hasn't been updated for some reason).
You mean the post that said it was done to “clarify how moderation will enforce existing rules on the site going forward”, the rules were existing, and the post clarified, so nothing needs to be updated.
I read the post about the new CoC and it didn’t say anything about everybody should be a whiny little bitch going forward, it didn’t say if someone disagrees with you report them to barney, it didn’t say snowflakes get to determine what words are offensive. It just gave the existing whiny little bitches some clarification about what they should whine about.
As far as I'm concerned anything oromagi does himself is fair game. I won't be obeying hypocrisy.
Whoa, are you telling me bigots are gonna be bigots, gee whiz, thanks for clearing that up for me, and yeah, bigots and racist always see hypocrisy, they want exclusivity on their coveted snowflake victimhood.
The real hypocrisy is racist and bigots thinking they can offend and not be offended, they can insult and not be insulted, that they can be lowlife pieces of shit but expect people to admire them.
The typical racist is at the bottom of society in almost every aspect, intellectually, economically, morally, educationally, and it is with contempt born of jealousy that they want someone to look down on, but being the underbelly of society, there just isn’t anyone below them, so they make up reasons to look down on people, race, religion, color, sexual orientation, anything to pretend they aren’t at the bottom, but no matter how hard they try, people of another race, religion, color, sexual orientation, are all looking down on their pathetic lives.
They sit in their emotional squalor, drinking their Haterade, desperate for attention, desperate to matter, mostly invisible, but if society even notices them, if society feels anything for them, they feel sorry for them.
Please feel free to scan for other words you feel you get to choose to be offended by, but to save you some time, the words for a whiny little bitch to report to the mods are “racist”, “bigot”, “lowlife pieces of shit”, “whiny little bitch”, and “snowflake”.
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@Best.Korea
How would you know when to report the opponentI dont remember ever pressing the report button. I dont even report troll votes against me. I dont care much if opponent uses insults or whatever. I can take it.
That wasn't directed at you, I should have worded it differently, how about "How would people knop when to report the opponent".
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How would you know when to report the opponent and start whining about the new CoC enforcement?
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Now that people know who DeSantis is , he couldn't even win a Florida Governors race.
Florida is where politicians go to die.
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@Best.Korea
As a president of this site and viceroy of Wylted, I agree that site's name should change, but not to that...
You are probably right, if we went with WhinyLittleBitches.com people would think it's the RNC web site.
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The sites focus has completely changed in response to the new CoC enforcement policy, perhaps DebateArt is no longer representative of what we do here, I recommend we change the name of the site to WhinyLittleBitches.com.
That way, newbies will know what to expect.
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@Critical-Tim
In a past response their reply was as follows:But that's just it. Harm to the other person, whether it affected you or not, is still bad. But why? Why is it bad?Because God says it’s bad?I was suggesting perhaps avoiding religion for the origin of morality unless morality's origin is religion.Do you believe there is an answer behind someone's thoughts that are founded in personal beliefs? - I believe not, that's why it is called faith.Thus, I was recommending to avoid the confusion by navigating towards a more verifiable approach to understand the origin of morality.There is nothing wrong with religion, it just isn't a foundation to make any sort of verifiable conclusion.
Strikes me as a Pavlovian reply, read my post again, it has nothing to do with your response.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I refute aggressive or personal. I gave evidence of bigotry to undermine a bigoted argument.So calling people bigots and racists is back on the menu boyz.
There's a billion bigot and racist sites on the internet, and these geniuses come to a debate site looking for an echo chamber LOL.
FYI snowflakes, you can post all the racism and bigotry you want at Stormfront and nobody is gonna say you are a racist or bigot.
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@<<<TWS1405_2>>>oh, shit. Who triggered wet Archie Bunker this time?oh look, the hypocrite just did a “fanchick” move here. Go figure.Also, you’re making a mountain out of an ant hill. I’ve lumped no one into nothing. Nowhere did I say “all” alphabet soup members believe in X Y and Z. That’s your assumption.And I never said the Moroccan kid was a drug dealer, blah blah blah. That’s another asinine assumption on your part.Stating the same facts that I cite other black people saying at the table of discussion no more makes me a racist than it does those blacks being white supremacists.You fucking intellectual cowards are just too goddamn immature and impotent to handle truthful discussions on race and sexuality. You’re basically prudes where both subject matters are concerned.You’re nothing but a wannabe intellectual, but you’re too emotionally immature to handle the responsibility.PS. What the fuck does the 2020 election rambling bullshit you posted about have to do with the price of tea in China (ie - the OP)!?! 🤦♂️🙄🤦♂️PSS. Your vitriolic banal retort proves my point. Thanks.
A BIGOT that says he's not a BIGOT, surprise surprise.
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@Critical-Tim
I agree. However, I thought giving you a view into their perspective might help you better understand who you're talking to and how the conversation might proceed. Sometimes it's better to recognize early on in a conversation that a person is incapable of accepting a certain view rather than doing what I have in the past and continuing to think it is possible. Religion is a very sensitive thing mostly to do with its incredible association with emotion and can be overpowering when it comes to logic or empirical evidence. For myself, I often keep the two separate and do not ask someone to explain common sense of their religion. Do as you will, I was merely providing something potentially insightful.
Maybe I'm slow on the uptake, but it's unclear to me what you are saying with this, it does not help me understand "who I'm talking to and how the conversation might proceed."
What do you think I was saying that elicited this resp[onse? Please elucidate.
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@Critical-Tim
The most common response I get to a question like that is "God's plan and wisdom is ineffable."I think it's an excuse not to understand the world around us or comprehend why things work. For most people it's simpler to just claim it incomprehensible.
There is noreason that we cannot arrive at objective moral knowledge in the same way thatwe arrive at other types of objective knowledge, by the discernment ofunderlying principles which are then tested by examining how well thoseprinciples align with further observations of the world of our experience.
Moral knowledgeis objective because it is based on human nature, and the observed human experienceincludes qualities, values, meaning, and purpose, and these ethical intuitionsindicate the existence of a moral dimension of reality open to our exploration.
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@Reece101
But that's just it. Harm to the other person, whether it affected you or not, is still bad. But why? Why is it bad?Because God says it’s bad?
That wouldn't answer the question of "Why", the question would just become "Why does God say it's bad?".
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@Intelligence_06
I'm a dude. I can't have an abortion even if I want one. Also, I don't want one.
I'm a Dudeist Priest, our position on Abortion is "everything is just, like, your opinion, man”
If you are interested I can get you ordained.
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