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Double R makes good points.
But why is it so expensive, seems to me that for it to cost so much more than real chicken, that maybe it uses more resources, rather than less.
Unless it's a matter of scarcity, but for it to make much of a difference the price needs to come down. If it uses less resources then in the end, the price should be less.
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@Rieka
- You are speaking so generically that it is not possible to figure out your topic.
- Name three "things that were unspeakable 20 years ago" that are speakable now.
I literally just said it was how far we’ve fallen as a society in America.
- Drag queens.
- Trans students being accepted into opposite sex bathrooms.
- Transitioning children into the opposite gender.
You asked for three and here they are. Yes these are all on gender, as that’s what comes to my mind first. I could list more if you want that are besides gender.
You forgot Mr. Potatohead and (gasp), the horror of a football player taking a knee.
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@zedvictor4
Eloquently responded.
So you liked the limerick.
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@Best.Korea
The free will debate is about whether we have the cognitive ability to conceive of future courses of action, deliberate about various reasons for choosing among them, determine our actions on the basis of such deliberation, and control our actions despite the presence of competing desires. If we can exercise these cognitive abilities to act without our actions being unreasonably compromised by external pressure, then we possess free will and human beings are morally responsible causal agents that can change our conduct for reasons that are not included in the purely physical causation which by definition, does not include intent, values and purpose.
It’s a conscious state with reference to a future possibility that causes human decisions in order to bring about further states for the sake of values and purposes, and intents. Consciousness has causal influence due to its content, which usually involves a desire or intention and includes the ability to envision a future state and establish a strategy for attaining that state. A conscious state with reference to a future possibility, along with intents, values, and purposes are not reducible to the purely physical deterministic state.
Free will is the belief that the future is not beyond our control. The belief in free will then, is a rejection of the causal closure of the universe, a contention that we have the ability to select a course of action as a means of fulfilling some desire which is consistent with an ability to judge some ends as ‘good’ or worth pursuing and value them. If we do in fact have free will, then it follows that we can have some effect on our personal and corporate tomorrows, which is to say that we are free to plan the future, and that our resultant intentions make a real difference in the world.
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@Slainte
Political protests in rugby are not unheard of. Rugby players, particularly in countries like New Zealand and South Africa, have used their platform to raise awareness about issues such as racial inequality, but the scale of protest actions has been relatively limited.That being said , the 1995 Rugby World Cup in South Africa, was the first international sports copetition hosted by South Africa following apartheid. Nelson Mandela in particular wanted to use the games as a way to unite the country, with both blacks and whites on the national team, a tournament that South Africa ended up winning, beating the All Blacks. Whites and blacks celebrated together.I think we should also note that rugby has a different cultural context compared to American football, and the rugby itself does not have as deep-rooted connections to national identity and patriotism as a sport. Even though you have many countries who have rugby as a primary corner stone, (New Zealand, South Africa, Tonga, Samoa,). other countries also have rugby very high in their ranks, such as Ireland, France, England, Australia, Japan, etc. etc. Because American Football, is just that, it makes it easier to have a protest that focuses on American issues.The same would go for NASCAR, The same would not go for Formula 1. The national and cultural centric nature of the sport leads to a more effective protest opportunity.Just some thoughts on it.
Atheletes all over the world use thier platform to raise awareness about social issues they feel strongly about.
Only in America would snowflakes have a meltdown because a ball player took a knee during the anthem, I mean, you'd have thought a guy on his knee was some kind of Yuge issue like Mr Potatohead or something.
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@FLRW
Most of the people who want to ban books can't read.
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@zedvictor4
A limerick for Zedvictor
No free will and everything’s the same.
No responsibility, no logic, no shame.
Said the man with a grin
As he wiped off his chin
For my actions I am not to blame.
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Fuck, I thought this place was bad with intellectual cowards like badger, rational_madman, iwantrooseveltagain, americandebater24, orogami, whiteflame, et al was bad....shit, the moment you say one word someone doesn't like, and they report you, BOOM! Banned for 3 days.Is there anywhere on the internet where rationally intelligent people can debate sensitive topics without getting kicked because some pussy little scorned girl got offended?
For TWS1405_2, there's Stormfront, Aryan Nation, Ku Klux Klan, and hundreds of others.
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@Slainte
We can use math to determine where matter will go, and where it has been. There is no free will in a newtonian physical sense.Quantum mechanics tells us that things are probabilistic, which also means that they are not directive.Spiritually, I agree with Best.Korea that nurture is a huge influence.So the question is... If we could calculate everything at the same time, would everything actually be pre-determinable. Let me have a beer and think about it.
You are talking about four hundred year old science here, the only way “we can use math to determine where matter will go” is IF reality is completely circumscribed by Newtonian mechanics (and it isn’t), AND the motion of every particle in the universe can in principle be predicted from exact knowledge of its position, momentum, and the forces acting on it (and it can’t), AND everything occurred within a single, universal reference frame where an absolute Euclidean space and an absolute time that passes uniformly, that are autonomous and independent aspects of reality (and they aren’t), THEN “theoretically”, all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by purely physical causes such that, there is one and only one possible effect for a particular cause or set of causes, (there isn’t).
The archaic belief that Newtonian physics translates into a deterministic universe was never anything more than a failed thought experiment, it’s been a scientifically obsolete concept for well over a hundred years. The two most prevailing scientific theories, Relativity Theory and Quantum Physics are explicit that reality is not the Newtonian World Machine that Laplace believed in, and Heisenberg showed us that even in principle, adequate knowledge of a particle’s position, momentum, and the forces acting on it are impossible, the requisite exactness of those quantities just doesn’t occur in the real world.
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@zedvictor4
Believing in free will is a pre-meditated process.
By “pre-meditated”, do you mean it’s the self-evident default state of all humanity, our experiential reality, and the foundational basis of every moral and legal system found in every known time and place where humans have ever existed?
As is not believing in free will.
The difference is not believing in free will is strictly faith-based belief which denies experience, science, and logic, probably best described as a religious belief.
I simply run with the idea that free will is an impossibility.
If free will is impossible then you have no ability to reason and so I guess all you can do is run with the idea, you weren’t free to do anything else so it’s not up to you anyway.
On the basis that every action has stimulus and involves a physiological process.
Nope, as far as you are concerned it’s not on any basis whatsoever, you have no choice in the matter, it was all determined billions of years ago and you are just going along for the ride.
And quite frankly I cannot see how the conclusions to the studies that you cite above, mean anything more than people will conform to a type, whereby answers and behaviour are predictable irrespective of the question.
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, but I guess it doesn’t really matter though since it doesn’t have anything to do with us, we are automatons just going through the predetermined motions, thinking it matters is just an illusion.
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@Intelligence_06
Does it matter?I mean, a movie is complete when it is released even if we haven't watched it. Then, why are we more displeased when we are spoiled of the ending rather than not? Why the difference?Life is the same, you can't see the ending. Except, you would possibly be thrilled if you are told you are going to be spoiled of your own life, well. That's that.
Yes, it matters.
Multiplestudies have shown that belief in free will has important behavioralconsequences that bear on social behavior, sense of personal control, moral andethical choices, and general well-being.
Again and again, studies have found that those who do not believe in free will are more inclinedto cheat, are less inclined to help others, have more aggression, more inclinedto mindless conformity, less feeling of guilt, less learning from moral andethical mistakes, and less inclined to think about how they might havecorrected their behavior. It is alsoassociated with lower career prospects and poor job performance, and higherrates of neurosis. Conversely,believing in free will correlates with better career prospects and higher jobperformance, along with a host of positive attributes including, self-control,life satisfaction, subjective happiness, mindfulness, and ambition.
Thefact is, the belief in free will has been shown to causally influence behavior,it has important practical implications well beyond the idea that it is simplya matter detached theoretical philosophy.
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@FLRW
Free will is an illusion. Our wills are simply not of our own making.
Unsupported faith based assertions are not a logical argument, and arbitrarily declaring the subject matter of the debate an “illusion” is not a logical argument, it’s OK to make assertions regarding axioms of your faith, but it is not a logical argument.
Thoughts and intentions emerge from background causes of which we are unaware and over which we exert no conscious control. We do not have the freedom we think we have.
The argument against Free Will invariably presupposes determinism without establishing determinism as a fact. While the denial of free will is typically put forth as scientifically derived, there is nothing “scientific” about simply presupposing determinism without establishing determinism as a fact, and determinism is not a conclusion of science. On the contrary, since Laplace developed the concept in a thought experiment 200 years ago, there has been no actual scientific evidence that reality is deterministic, and a boatload of evidence that it is not. The strictly philosophical doctrine of determinism is nothing more than an archaic and failed concept that is in fact, unscientific.
The fact is, physical determinism has never been logically valid because physical science is not a logically conclusive process, it’s an empirical endeavor and empirically speaking, the physical evidence has never justified the assumption of determinism by any stretch of the imagination.
The unfounded belief in determinism remains prevalent because mathematics, logic, and deductive reasoning appear to be deterministic systems, but Gödel's proof has explanatory power regarding the inability to directly map these symbolic tools to reality.
Logic, mathematics, and deductive reasoning are abstractions, merely mental tools used to explain our experience of reality. To deny free will you must deny experience and claim that our abstractions are real and reality is an illusion, which makes no sense.
An argument that reality isn’t real is self-refuting.
The attempt to deny the self-evident experiential reality of human consciousness and the associated fact that we are morally responsible causal agents is a very extraordinary claim and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the unfounded and completely faith-based belief in determinism doesn’t constitute extraordinary evidence by any stretch of the imagination.
Consciousness has causal influence due to its content, not solely because of the physical aspects of its neural correlates. A conscious state includes a desire or intention, it includes the ability to envision a future state and establish a strategy for attaining that state, it includes the ability to the ability to foresee the consequences of one's decisions, evaluate and choose among alternatives, and then act upon those choices. That makes it more than a purely physical state, it is a conscious state with reference to a future possibility, and no such reference is part of any purely physical state. Such conscious states can have causal effect to bring about further states for the sake of values and purposes, and intents. Values, purposes, and intents are not reducible to the purely physical state of the determinism argument.
Theargument necessarily denies purposeful action or human freedom and responsibility in order to reduce all behavior to purely physical deterministic laws. The argument is refuted by the fact that human beings are subject to both physical causality and the aforementioned teleological causality, which means we are free and responsible causal agents, we can change our conduct for reasons that are not included in the purely physical causation which by definition, does not include intent, values and purpose.
The strongest argument for the existence of free will is that we all observe it during every conscious moment, it is a fundamental and significant part of our experiential reality at all times, hence it is self-evident. Consequently, the denial of free will is necessarily a rejection of the very concept of empirical evidence, and the argument against Free Will becomes a rejection without “proof”, which eliminates induction as valid. These two aspects of the approach clearly reject the very basis of science and scientific knowledge, leaving nothing but detached abstractions that have nothing whatsoever to do with the real world.
Philosophy is concerned with saying something which is true or significant, science with doing something which is effective. Science is about the real world, grounded in perceiving and doing, the argument against Free Will is completely abstract and invalidates both perception and doing, it is a complete rejection of science as valid, and philosophically it amounts to a rejection of the very basis of truth and significance.
In the end, there is no valid basis upon which the rejection of Free Will can be said to be true of reality.
And, as uncomfortable as this may be, it's very much consistent with neuroscientific research.
If you are talking bout Benjamin Libet’s work, it has beencompletely misinterpreted by those with an agenda, even Libet denies thecontentions that his work provides a basis for the denial of free will, all he actually measured was an “action potential”.
Consciousstates, while closely correlated with brain states, are emergent realities,existing as autonomous aspects of very complex and integrated neuralsubstrates. Conscious states have causal influence on thephysical world surrounding them, which results from their consciouscontent, not solely because of their physical aspects.
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@Intelligence_06
Does it matter?I mean, a movie is complete when it is released even if we haven't watched it. Then, why are we more displeased when we are spoiled of the ending rather than not? Why the difference?Life is the same, you can't see the ending. Except, you would possibly be thrilled if you are told you are going to be spoiled of your own life, well. That's that.
Yes, it matters, I'll address this later too.
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@FLRW
Free will is an illusion. Our wills are simply not of our own making. Thoughts and intentions emerge from background causes of which we are unaware and over which we exert no conscious control. We do not have the freedom we think we have. And, as uncomfortable as this may be, it's very much consistent with neuroscientific research.
When I get home from work, I'll find the time to walk all over you on this one.
...and if you want to formally debate it, I'm in.
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@Rieka
It seems that pissing off feminists has become a grand new hobby of mine. It's not that hard considering they're all borderline narcissistic. All you have to do is say something they don't agree with and watch them lose their freaking minds. It's funny as hell. Anyone else do this for fun?
Why is it fun?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And will anybody have the heart to tell McCarthy that garage doors have locks? Or that bathroom doors only lock from the inside?
For most Trump supporters, the bathroom itself is outside.
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@Best.Korea
You're a fucking idiot.
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@Best.Korea
In the Bible, there is a whole book about judges. Jesus judged all the bad people around him, and will judge them again."Do not judge" in the Bible talks about a situation where the person who judges is guilty of that he judges others for.
So what you are telling me is, you've never read the Bible.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I knew this guy was still stalking me and me making a post that mentions him 3 months after he left would get him back here.You are welcome Dart. I brought your savior back
Did you say his name three times?
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@Best.Korea
Because God commands me to.
Did God appear to you, or call you on the phone, was it a voice in your head?
Must have been something like that because it isn't in the Bible, the Bible says you should not judge others, and it says it over forty times.
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@Slainte
Rugby is a game of immense skill, and thought. You need to be able to change and adapt on the fly. There is no coaching on a play by play, the players have to control. You also have a culture of work hard, respect to the ref, and respect to the entire community. It is also accessible to all ages, is very inexpensive to run, and safer. There are olympics versions for it, and proper international competitions, like the Six Nations, and World Cup. 109 countries play rugby, and are ranked by World Rugby.American football has nothing on it.This is a friendly "debate", I will not respond to people who are rude.THoughts?
I played both, Philadelhia RFC late 70s and early 80s, I liked Rugby better.
Better game, and much better parties.
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@FLRW
Thanks. I have my anal sex flags hanging all around my house at the moment, so all my guests can join in on the funSo you are not an Antianalist like Kaitlyn is?
LOL, well done FLRW :)
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@FLRW
There is no such thing as intelligent life (aliens) outside Earth. There is no proof. Only hear-say and odd happenings.I agree
I'm beginning to think there is such a thing as intelligent life inside Earth either. It's mostly just odd happenings.
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@Best.Korea
"Lets blame everyone else for the choices we make" - Woke 2023 🌈"Its your fault that people choose to leave the site. Its not the fault of those people who made that choice." - DebateArt's woke movement 🏳️🌈"I could have had an honest conversation, but I choose instead to leave this site because someone said a bad word to me 😭" - certain woke citizen 🏳️🌈So yes, its obvious right now that woke is a bunch of babies.
You're just jealous because they still don't have a pedophile parade.
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@badger
You spend all day on here making transgenderism out a mental illness and black people savages. If I tolerate that, what does it mean for those groups?You are the antagonist.To cry intolerance of intolerance is a farce.You spend all day on here making appeal to emotion, mockery, ignorance and ad hominem arguments.You are a denialist intellectual coward who hates the truth because the truth sounds like hate to you.You accuse others of intolerance while being intolerant towards them. Makes you a bloody hypocrite. Own it.
Lookie, lookie, see all them big words, what we got here Badger, is one of them edumacated white supremacists, usin all them big words to make it look like he got him some learnin.
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@Kaitlyn
You're bringing (and have brought) misery to me.
It's not badger's fault that you are a miserable person.
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@Best.Korea
Like, what makes someone watch a video of that?
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@Tradesecret
The Bible doesn't have any recordings of alien or extraterrestrial stories.It does have stories of angels and demons and God and humans. These are heavenly beings. Heaven is a place on Earth. Not off the planet.There won't be any aliens found or discovered. And until there is, it is pure fabrication being made up.Hence - it won't have any impact on Christianity, since it won't happen.But hey if one does turn up, then I will be happy to change my mind. Waiting - waiting waiting.It sounds like you are saying that if one did show up, it would have an impact on Christianity, in what way, and why?Aliens don't exist. There is no need for Aliens presently. So far, there has been no credible evidence presented. Merely speculations and wild theories. All of which are very entertaining.
This is also "mere speculation" based on "no credible evidence.
This is consistent with Christianity and the Bible.
You are just restating your belief that aliens don't exist, the question was in what way would it impact Christianity and why.
If aliens did turn up it would throw doubt on the Bible, in my view.
WHY would it throw doubt on the Bible, can you reference where the Bible indicates aliens don't exist?
It wouldn't throw doubt on the existence of God. It would force religious people to reexamine their views in relation to lots of things. Particularly the meaning of life and remedies to evil.
Why would it be a challenge to the "meaning of life and remedies to evil", I'm not aware that either of these involves the existence of aliens in any way.
The ironic thing however is that even if ALIENS did not turn up for the next 1000 years, it wouldn't throw doubt on those who want to believe in aliens. And indeed, even when we as humans explore the universe and discover that we are unique in the universe, the only form of intelligent life ANYWHERE, this still wouldn't be enough to convince anyone that God is real. Some people will believe in aliens until God shows them otherwise. Others will not believe in God until they die. And then it will be too late.
Still mere speculation, you are simply imagining the behavior of those who believe aliens exist, and it appears you think that belief in the existence of aliens is an atheist belief, how is that?
The entire view of aliens is actually built on the idea of evolution. If life could evolve here, it must evolve elsewhere. Yet, the absence of aliens is one of the pieces of evidence that proves evolution is false.
Why couldn't you say the same thing about creation, if God could create life here, he could create it elsewhere.
I don;t understand adverserial Christianity, that just randomly picks ideas that are supposedly opposed to Christianity, I don't see how or why it has become a combat religion for many. You appear to be speaking for Christianity, and you don't, the two billion Christians are a diverse group that has basic Christian principles in common, you can't just arbitrarily add and delete principles to what constitutes Christian faith.
You also seem to be asserting what God can and cannot do, "but the wordof God is not bound" ( 2Timothy 2:9).
Isaiah 55:8-9
For mythoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declaresthe LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higherthan your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
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What is the square root of four?
Are you certain?
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@Kaitlyn
Thus, parents gambling with the wellbeing of others without their consent is immoral. Therefore, childbirth is immoral.
What makes you think the parents didn't get thier unborn child's consent. I mean, if you are going to play makes believe that the parents need to get thier unborn child's consent, can't they make believe that the unborn child gave consent?
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@badger
Oh I remember this. This user is adopted to parents who later had biological children and left her to her chores without love. This was the whole song and dance and crybaby reason for it all. Mixing cultures is the parallel on the marco scale. Probably also the reason for the weird prudish red-pill wannabe housewife stuff, she's already doing the chores, missing the love.
All she has to do is take a pumpkin Uber and go to the ball anyway,
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@oromagi
Of course, any really intelligent extra-terrestrial species would study Earth first and then program a plausible simulacrum of Revelations and mask the attacks as Judgement Day. The Christian third of the world would very likely voluntarily submit military and civilian power to a very believable alien Christ simulacrum.
I don't see any reason to assume they would be hostile. any species sufficiently advanced to travel here from outside the solar system would necessarily have over come the human tendency to destruction with advancing technology, if the got as far as interstellar traveI, they have to be more curious than violent, think it's safe to assume they would be peaceful explorers.
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@Tradesecret
The Bible doesn't have any recordings of alien or extraterrestrial stories.It does have stories of angels and demons and God and humans. These are heavenly beings. Heaven is a place on Earth. Not off the planet.There won't be any aliens found or discovered. And until there is, it is pure fabrication being made up.Hence - it won't have any impact on Christianity, since it won't happen.But hey if one does turn up, then I will be happy to change my mind. Waiting - waiting waiting.
It sounds like you are saying that if one did show up, it would have an impact on Christianity, in what way, and why?
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@FLRW
Yes, Biden has been able to recast himself as a moderate president who gets results, in contrast to Trump, who was one of the biggest losers of the outcome. In his speech, the president pointed out that Trump raised the debt by $8 trillion and increased the deficit every year. He also criticized Trump’s “extremist” statements that appeared to urge the U.S. to default: “Nothing would have been more irresponsible. Nothing would have been more catastrophic.”
I don't knowyou can say that he "has been able to recast himself as a moderate", he's cast himself as a moderate for over forty years. Even when I was a Republican, I thought Biden was great, he has always reached across the aisle to get things done, it's how government is supposed to work.
This divisiveness and culture war shit is an example of government not working.
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@Kaitlyn
White Supremacists wish they were never born.
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@Kaitlyn
Most states would gladly trade thier white supremacists for migrants all day long, that would upgrade state in every category.wHiTe SuPrEeEeEeEeEmAcIsts8/10 original and quality troll. Very hard not to respond to.
You know what I say about white supremacists is true, that's why they are so ashamed they wish they were never born.
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@Savant
Bussing immigrants isn't a policy, it's only indirectly about immigration, it's a political stunt, it's about getting votes and money, and I'm trying to understand the people that drive this behvior in politicians. When Marjorie Taylor Greene says California Forest Fires are caused by Jewish Space Lasers, she gets a windfall of donations, who hears that and pulls out thier checkbook?
It feels like I'm trapped in a Fellini movie, I should probably just stop trying to understand it.
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@Savant
I'm surprised that any Democrats are against this, at least the ones in support of immigration. I'm not trying to generalize here, but there are a surprising number of Democratic politicians who support immigration but oppose the busing of migrants to sanctuary cities.
What about you, do you supporct this practice?
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@Savant
They're getting the migrants for free. Honestly, I'm baffled as to why Democrats are against this since it seems like the whole point of sanctuary cities.
So you support dividing the country along blue state . red state lines?
When you say "Democrats are against this", do you mean all Democrats, some Democrats, most Democrats, Blue State Democrats, What about Democrats in Red states?
What do you mean when you say "Democrats are against this"?
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@Kaitlyn
Most states would gladly trade thier white supremacists for migrants all day long, that would upgrade state in every category.
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@IlDiavolo
Ezekiel 1:4-28 is about an encounter with a UFO that had 4 extraterestrials in it.
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@Best.Korea
I thought you were leaving DART?Well, no. Plus, please stick to the topic. This topic is about the Bible, as already mentioned for 10 times.
Where in the Bible does it say that we should stick to the topic?
Pedophilia is illegal, morally reprehensible, and a violent act that does irreversible damage to children.
Also, Fuck You.
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Never lived in a trailer park. Never even lived near one. Clearly you know all about it and what it is like, libtard.
Wow, TWS is probably the mostest high society guy at his Klan meetings.
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@n8nrgim
this thread is comical in how stupid it is. i know that wasn't the author's intent, though.
Yes, Best.Korea can be incredibly stupid without even trying.
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Oh look, a white supremacist calling other people stupid LOLOLOL.Oh look, the idiot libtard just proved my point. LOL!!!
Yeah, because you have to be a genius to be a fucking racist...heck, TWS is probably the most smarterest guy in the whole dang trailer park.
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@oromagi
- How many DARTers think a comment like this is actionable based on present CoC or should be actionable based on an improved Code of Conduct?
- If actionable, what course of action would you recommend? Warning? Ban? Police notification? etc.
Hate speech has become acceptable in society at large and in this site, so it probably doesn't matter.
Advocating violence is clearly actionable, so yes, there shopuld be consequences to this poste, probably a temporary ban and then banning them permanently if it happens again.
This poster spent a lot of time advocating pedophilia with no consequences, which empowers more and more innapropriate behavior, so this is what we get.
This has become the site for pedophilia and hate speach toward race andLGBTQ, doubt that trend is reversible now.
Hell, it's even become the Republican platform lately.
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@Best.Korea
It's not bothering you, and if it is, why?Because God tells us to hate fags.
What does God tell us about pedophiles?
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@Best.Korea
What does the Bible say about pedophiles?
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Oh look, the libtard types and posts his usual immature nonsensical tripe since he is clearly not intelligent enough to engage anyone with a legit debate/discussion.
Oh look, a white supremacist calling other people stupid LOLOLOL.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I can't believe how creepy you are at only 16, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't that creepy at 16.
No doubt you will be on the cover of The National Enquirer some day.
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