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@Reece101
Please ignore Lunatic. He only cares about his own personal goals
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This is called "tunnel vision". It's when a town member is so afraid of being proven wrong that they won't change their mind on something, even when the evidence overwhelmingly suggests opposite to what they believe. Speed may have good intentions, but he is too worried about being embarrassed by admitting he is wrong here. 
Lolll Lunatic knows I never tunnel. I'm telling you, lyncher

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And he knows Mikal is scum and if Mikal flips scum, he'll never get to lynch Supa. CALLING IT
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Lunatic is a lyncher for Supa, calling it now
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@Reece101
Lunatic, to me it just looks like you’re throwing shit at the wall just to see what sticks. 
MY MANNNNN
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@whiteflame
Please please please please hammer Mikal you won't regret it I promise
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@Lunatic
Clearly you won't listen to reason so I'll just ignore you now
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@Lunatic
Literally anyone can join the looney bin discord right now and jump in the DD raiding channel to see that he isn't lol
Literally anyone can see that he was on 16 minutes ago but posted last 55 minutes ago lol
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@Lunatic
I don't need to, because there aren't a large enough pool of games where there are even sensors in them. This whole argument is complete WIFOM.
So what I'm hearing is you have no logical basis to assume that the mod put in a sensor and cop with the logic that sensor will be a mislynch? Gotcha

Mike does it all the time, town or scum. And yes, I dish it back after I recieve it. Bearman dished it there. Your "ur high" insult is just kind of pathetic.
Pretty sure I've said you're drunk/high before. And I regularly call town idiots lol
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Also, Mikal is lurking lol
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@Lunatic
How many games do you actually play in where are sensors in it?
What I know is that no one balances a game by "who is likely to be mislynched." And again, you can't point out an example of a sensor being mislynched lol

Also I am not high, but I do take note of your trying to use insults here. A common strategy for someone backed in a corner, who knows they are losing the argument. 
Elminster insulted me when I said he was scum, so let's follow your logic and lynch him :)

Also, this you? Hypocrite
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@Lunatic
Mislynching a sensor is a pretty big counter.
No it's not lol, PLEASE point me to a time when a sensor has been mislynched. And even if they are, then their results are confirmed when they flip inno. You sound like you're high
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@Lunatic
Why is a cop and a sensor more OP than a watcher and a cop? Especially considering the wagon currently on the sensor. Sensor is more mislynchable than either generally. 
????????????????????????????????? Watcher and Cop isn't OP because mafia can be given direct counters to both. Mafia has no counter for sensor
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@Lunatic
We agree for the most part but your narrative slightly deters you from the correct path here. Theres supposedly 3 investigators. I agree one of them is false because it would be OP. You agree too but refuse to see supa as an option despite him having the most inconsistent results of the three and o understandable reason for targeting hated townie np1. If you could just remove the narrative blindfolding you, you would see that supa is the lynch here and if town we lynch oro. Mikal makes the least sense here. His results line with yours
What? If Supa is scum, that means there's a cop AND a sensor b/c Oro would be telling the truth. That's stupid
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@Lunatic
Also, do you really think Chris would allow a non-1x sensor?
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@Lunatic
So pie is only janitored cop when it fits your narrative. Gotcha.
What? If Mikal is sensor, Pie can't be cop because of balance, which means Oro is scum. If Mikal isn't sensor, obviously Oro isn't scum.
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@Reece101
What? There’s ninjas? I’m so confused.
Ninjas are players that can carry out the mafia night kill without appearing on watcher or tracker results
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@whiteflame
So, I'm willing to test that with a lynch on either one. My preference is Oro at the moment. 
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
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@Lunatic
Bruh. Miller is incompatible with Sensor because of the need for a cop and a balanced game. So if Mikal is town, Supa is ALSO confirmed town. So literally no matter what, Mafia used a ninja on me


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@whiteflame
Just need you *puppy eyes*
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@Lunatic
I mean its possible but why is it more possible than mikal not lying, especially since there is no cop claim? Oh because pie was convienently also the cop? You rely too heavily on convienences lol.
You're literally contradicting yourself. If Mikal is telling the truth, there can't be a cop via game balance, so Oro would then be scum. But you're on Supa. Explain that

And you don't think he would made illogical decisions as scum? If I cared enough to do my research I am sure I can prove you wrong here on at least 2-3 occasions, likely more. 
What illogical decision did he make here if he's scum lol? Changing his results to say I visited myself? I don't buy it
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@Lunatic
How do you know they have a ninja?
I believe Supa


Why do you think it's every night?
Why do you think it's not?

If you are doc, what you think scum didn't have a counter to that?
Very possible

Even if scum do have a ninja, which is possible, it's likely 1x, and they probably have strongman too.
You don't know either of those things

Why wouldn't they have strongmanned you last night?
Maybe because they don't have one and instead have a ninja?

Why would they have happened to use the 1x ninja last night?
Assumes it's 1x

There are so many possibilities that it's crazy that you think it all amounts to one thing here; Mafia have a ninja and used it last night on you conveinently, as opposed to supa is lying.
Supa had no reason to out watcher and results first thing. He's town. If Mikal flips town, then I'll lynch between Oro and Supa. Otherwise, no

There is still no cop claim too.
By that logic, you should be on Oro, not Supa. But the cop was pie

You are willing to believe sensor doesn't exist even though his results line with yours. This is baffling. 
HOW?
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The fact that Lunatic thinks the ninja was "convenient" makes me think he's scum and mafia only have a limited amount of ninjas
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@Lunatic
I don't just think supa is just scum for that, I think he is scum because no one showed up on his results meaning mafia forfeited or convienently ninjad last night.
Every mafia kill is going to be a ninja, so that's not "convenient"

Also he freaking watched hated townie np1. Like how you town read him is baffling to me. 
Because Supa is known for making perfectly logical decisions? (sorry Supa)
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@Lunatic
It makes no sense to me why you are so tunneled in on mikal right now especially given his results line up with yours lol. You should be the number one person suspecting supa right now. That you are willing to buy that mafia convienently ninjad last night over a sensor existing in a game without a claimed cop is bewildering. 
What do you mean "conveniently ninja'd?" Every kill they have is going to be done by a ninja :|

His results do NOT line up with mine, and he is acting like textbook scum
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@MisterChris
This is too pivotal for me to confirm or deny. To do either would be showing favoritism. I can answer questions about mechanics, however. 
If you're hinting at me to ask if watchers can see self-visits, that isn't going to make a difference because you'll just say yes lol
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@Lunatic
If you think Supa is scum for changing up results, Mikal did the same thing b/c he didn't reveal even night sensor until everyone started voting him
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@oromagi
Vote Mikal pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Supa is TOWN. Oro is TOWN. LYNCH MIKAL
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@Vader
Lunatic's quick jump onto my lynch without hearing my point of view seems like he is hunting for mislynches.
+1 to this
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@oromagi
I'm just  hoping Mexico is not JANITOR
LOL that's horrible
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@MisterChris
I can't confirm nor deny this. I am restricting my commentary to game mechanics. 
If you made a mod mistake, that will inadvertently lead to a mislynch, which is why I asked. If you did then you should always prioritize telling town if a mistake was made so lynches can be adjusted accordingly
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Mikal is cackling right now. Y'all are idiots bruh
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@MisterChris
If you make a mistake with NP results, it's standard to just say "A mistake was made" or something like that
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@Lunatic
How did mafia not show up on supas report? Convienently ninjas? Waived? I ahve a harder time chewing that down than a sensor, especially consindering no cop. I say we get oro tomorrow, get supa today. 
Wait for Chris to confirm if there was a mistake or not
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I buy Supa more from this because this is what a noob mod would do lol. No offense Chris, I made way worse mistakes my first game
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@Lunatic
@MisterChris
Supa literally just changed his results after speed revealed, even though commonly people aren't seen visiting themselves. Supa is harder to believe because we have to buy that mafia waived or convienently ninja'd last night.
No, we can literally get Chris to confirm if there was a mistake or not because this is colossal lol

@Chris was there a mistake made with NP results?
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Getting dinner, brb
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@Lunatic
I thought america was vig tbg
I wish :(
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@oromagi
POST#?

If he targeted you why would he assume your were self doc'ing?
Because America makes sense as doc

Well I know I am a MILLER so I expect to see a COP but let's recall that might have been Pie.  I have a hard time believing that a COP wouldn't be able to shed some light by DP3.
I agree that Pie is the cop
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That basically resolves everything
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@Lunatic
Pie was the cop lol. There ya go
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@Lunatic
Also if you dont think we have a cop why wouldnt you be suspicious of oro??
Oh O_O forgot we had a miller
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@Lunatic
Im surprised your so willing to buy into a ninja over believing elminster here. His results implicate one of you or oro, combined with your results, supas not looking so good.
Why would Supa claim watcher unprompted off the bat?

And if there's no cop, watcher v ninja makes more sense

Besides that, Mikal is LITERALLY acting like scum. Coming from someone who played scum with him
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@Lunatic
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@oromagi
Whatever, I'm the 2x doc, the reason it's mikal is he somehow knew I was the doc before I said anything, would make sense if he's mafia and targeted me and his action failed

This also means mafia has a Ninja, if the roles are RB, Janitor, and Ninja, then it makes sense that there's no cop and just a watcher. I don't think we have a cop

So now, PLEASE LYNCH MIKAL

And I doc'd myself both nights
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@oromagi
There's no CC for WATCHER but I don't really buy watching Elm NP1.  He had claimed HATED which SCUM likely believed so why would any SCUM visit Elm?  Why watch a non-PR fully claimed on NP?

I buy watching Speed NP2
Supa never said who he watched...?
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@Vader
Not going to bandwagon's Speeds logic but that seems like a hard buddy to be scum
Huh
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@Greyparrot
Answer me dude. Why would you say his sensor was a NP1 action? What do you know that we dont?
Answer me dude. How do you know his sensor is only an NP2 action? How do you know he's not lying?
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if someone were ot sub in on np2 for someone, they could use a np2 action lol
This assumes his role is even sensor lol, which requires believing him
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@Lunatic
If mikal is telling the truth then scum is oro or supa. Or you, but I doubt that. Cop would look good for oro POE'ing supa, and if there's no cop its for sure oro. Also mafia has so much POE that they likely can find the cop tonight anyway so if they have an innocent it would probably be useful at this point. 
Bruh. Do you not see all the scum signs behaviorally??

I will eat my hat if Mikal is not scum lol

And GP right after him
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