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@Tradesecret
I prefer Jeremiah 1:5.
Why doesn't that surprise me. And I wouldn't expect nothing less from one that boasts to be both qualified Pastor and Chaplin not to mention a lawyer.#20
Before I formed you in the womb I knew[ you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Jeremiah 1:5.
"I set you apart" . " I appointed you"
There are few verses that also state this about self glorification: Mark 12:38-40
38 As he taught, Jesus said, “Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, 39 and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 40 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”
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With all the alleged shenanigans that have come to light a about - soon to be put out to pasture - Joe Biden and his family, I have to ask, will there be attempts to impeach "the sonofabitch" ?
Is it plausible in the light of revelations and admissions and the "laptop from hell" that seem to point to corruption or treason?
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@Tradesecret
Now hopefully many of you will see this is sort of reversing the burden of proof - but not really.
You / Christians believe and claim the bible to be the words of god or god "inspired". You Christians also claim their is a god
Now I am sure that I do not have to remind you; "a lawyer" where and who with, the Burden of Proof lays, do I?
Atheist, to my knowledge do not claim the bible to be entirety true and neither do they claim the existence of a creator God. .
This is you isn't it? Claiming to be a lawyer, isn't it?
" I am a lawyer. [......................] But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20 Tradesecret
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@Tradesecret
And I assume that Stephens' source is the Christian Bible and his interpretation thereof...Just as yours is.There you would be incorrect. My interpretation is not my own per se.
That is what I have told you all along. You have been told to turn to a chapter and verse. Had it read to you. Then had it explained to you and in your own words you have simply " passed it on", without question. and you are still being trained that way aren't you Reverend #20
My interpretation is in accord with scholars and academics and theologians.
A few examples of this claim would be nice. Which ones? And what parts of their work and research " is in accord with your own interpretation" of scripture?
I do not put a unique spin on it. In fact one of the checks and balances of - especially older literature is when the there is a general consensus of interpretation.
Any examples of the "older literature" that causes you to believe that your interpretation is correct? Such as Pope Leo X "It has served us well, this myth of Christ"
No, you won't accept this quote at all will you and from a Pope no less, because it doesn't fit with your own "interpretation" or dogma, does it?
Stephen is self acknowledged in his interpretation. He is aware that he chooses to read and ask questions of passages himself.Fine, so far as it goes. But when his interpretations are novel as they generally are,
What are my interpretations Pastor Tradesecrete#20 ?
I believe that I have raised questions that Christians have never raised for themselves that spring from their own scriptures. These are usually the ones they choose to ignore or have been intentionally and purposely steered away from; such as here as YOU have done here for example #1 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this question comes from your OWN biblical claims as a Pastor and Chaplin#20 And you are ignoring it.
Theologians are quite diverse in their views.
They are and thankfully so. W'd never have our minds stretched , expanded or tested would we?
Yet most of Stephen's notions do not fit within any of these ranges. His are outside of what is considered balanced.
Just what are "my" notions?
My views accord within the normal and acceptable ranges. In other words, if we were speaking science, my views are within the establishment
No they are not. I have asked you many to times to simply explain to me scientifically how then can a man walk on water, cure a blindman remotely from miles away and how can a one man bring back to life so called dead rotten stinking corpses that have been lying in there graves for days, weeks months and even thousands of years WITHOUT relying on so called miracles and the supernatural, as the scriptures will have us believe.
Failing that, show me where one single scientists has brought back to life one single human being that has been dead and stinking and rotting and buried in the ground for days?
and Stephens' would be the pseudo-scientist. I would be the evolutionist and he would be the creationist.
I have never claimed to be any type of scientist. I simply scrutinize and question the scriptures, the NT in particular, that, incidentally are not supported in any way by science .
Incidentally, what did god do on the eight day?
Or simply explain scientifically to us how Noah accommodated the millions of species into the ark and enough food and fresh water for their survival? Scientifically mind?
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@Danielle
Hey, all my friends in Chicago are texting me about how there's people in the streets dancing, crying and singing there just like here.
Makes a change from murder and arson and looting by Antifa I suppose. A nice "block party atmosphere" I take it?
I have a feeling ole` Joe will be on the sidelines before long and Camel the Harris will be president and the party can really begin.
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@Tradesecret
I don't need your respect.
That's correct. That will be because I am not your "student" or your "client".
But I suspect you need the respect and trust of your imaginary "students" and your criminal "clients". Of which I am neither. Lucky me .
I wonder if either of your "clients or "student" have ever read this here? >>#58
Will you be showing them this great example of you demonstrating how to conduct one's self when being "interviewed by police" or anyone come to that?
Is this really how you instruct your clients or students? >>>>>>>>
By the way - you mention my qualifications more that I ever have. In fact I resisted for a long time giving any information about myself - because I thought it was neither yours nor the Brothers business and I knew -
AND I didn't even ask you if you had any qualification, did I, not once? You volunteered that information without any inquiry or prompting or coaxing from me. Rather a silly move for one claiming to be , among other things, a Lawyer! here #20
" I am a lawyer. [......................] But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20 Tradesecret
Personally I have never come across a Lawyer that instructs his "clients" to surrender any information ,especially when not even asked for. Especially a lawyer that instructs "ALL his clients never to answer a yes or no question".
"I counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes and no answers". #15 Tradesecret
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@PGA2.0
Others are of the same opinion, and while that does not necessarily make it so, it is a good indication. It is an observation.
Millions of "others," ie Muslims are of the opinion that Jesus was not the "son of god" and " are of the opinion " that he was just a mere mouth-piece. The Mandaean sect "are of the opinion" that John the Baptist was the greater of the two between Jesus and John. So I wouldn't let a few bible ignorant scroats convince you that your own opinion about me is correct.
How many fkn TIMES!!!!!? I don't "hate" Christians .Again, a rather aggressive or hostile reply.
Emphasis,It is to emphasise! Because I am sick of having to repeat my stance on almost every fkn thread !!!! Take that however you like.
In fact, I only recall ever hating one person that I knew personally, in the whole of my life. It is the scriptures that I have a problem with. My threads are all to do with the scriptures. And I have more threads to create highlighting the many problems that arise from the bibles contradictory nature and ambiguity. Your own faith and belief is all irrelevant to me. I don't care about your personal beliefs or that you have a faith. It is what Christians have faith in (the scriptures) that concerns me.You hate Christianity, you hate Christ. You are against the Scriptures. Your posts show an animus. Jesus likened anger to hatred, even murder.
See again, you are telling me what it is I hate. You really are right up your own arse arn't you? You are no better than the Pastor , Chaplin and Lawyer #58
Jesus likened anger to hatred, even murder.
Something he'd know all about wouldn't he? He's murdered enough men women and children hasn't he.
I don't know you personally to care about you. Just as I don't know you to "hate you". You could be the nicest person on the planet, but that alone wouldn't convince me that the scriptures are true and flawless.You hate what I stand for and believe in. You constantly attack it and mock it and put it down.
NO. I constantly scrutinize the scriptures and question them. You just don't like it and I don't care.
Your justification displays several eisegetical and inferential errors on the myriad of threads that would require a very detailed and time-consuming rebuttal.
Indeed. Hence you are simply left with your unfounded opinion. AND you are more than welcome to it.
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@RoderickSpode
This is a continuation from a discussion that veered off topic
Do you have a link?
Does the bible cause homophobia?
It may well do and it is not impossible. But a phobic person is one that suffers from an irrational fear or dread. So to "fear" homosexuals, does to me seem very irrational. To be against or anti homosexuality is another thing altogether.
So seeing that I have been quoted above, and instead of trying to play down what are clear anti homosexual biblical verses, why don't you simply tell us your personal stance on the matter of homosexuality and if or not you believe it is a "abomination" worthy of "death",
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be PUT TO DEATH; their blood will be on their own heads.
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@Dr.Franklin
everything was illegalWhat do you mean " everything"?the voteWhat about the vote? Do you mean the voting system, the actual voting by the people or the alleged vote fraud counting?mail in ballots
So voting by mail is illegal in the states ?
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IMO< you continually show your hatred of Christians and Christianity. For what? Why do you do this?
Like you have said above, " IMO".
How many fkn TIMES!!!!!? I don't "hate" Christians . In fact, I only recall ever hating one person that I knew personally, in the whole of my life. It is the scriptures that I have a problem with. My threads are all to do with the scriptures. And I have more threads to create highlighting the many problems that arise from the bibles contradictory nature and ambiguity. Your own faith and belief is all irrelevant to me. I don't care about your personal beliefs or that you have a faith. It is what Christians have faith in (the scriptures) that concerns me.
Stop stop trying to play victim. I don't care about you. I don't know you personally to care about you. Just as I don't know you to "hate you". You could be the nicest person on the planet, but that alone wouldn't convince me that the scriptures are true and flawless.
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Herod knew John better than he knew Jesus.
Herod liked to listen to John and had many a conversation with him, which the bible almost make it appear they were friends.
In fact Herod had gone so far as to protected John , from what or who we are never told ( it is just another one of those half stories)..
So I believe Herod to be in a much better position to tell us of things John did and was doing before his arrest and before he had ever heard of Jesus doing the same .
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@Dr.Franklin
everything was illegalWhat do you mean " everything"?the vote
What about the vote? Do you mean the voting system, the actual voting by the people or the alleged vote fraud counting?
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@Danielle
You have not responded to a single one of my posts discrediting your "sources" and "evidence."
What more do you need, you say those "sources" have been discredited. I have no reason to contradict you. When I do, I will.
And you need to actaully read what I write. Nowhere have I called a single thing I have posted "evidence" of anything. I have simply asked for opinions from the mercan stand point.
Why should I keep responding to you?
You don't. I am not holding a gun to your head. So, off you go.
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@Theweakeredge
The hypocrisy here #32 from Roderick Spode is blinding and breath taking to say the least. The fluff and gumf that Spode is attempting to spin above is nothing short of attempting to defend the indefensible.
The bible is clear in the extreme:
1 Corinthians 6:9–10 "do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality....
1 Timothy 1:10 "the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality,"
Romans 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. THEY ARE TO BE PUT TO DEATH; their blood will be on their own heads.
But still these weasel apologist have is that god works in mysterious way and he loves you.
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Voter Fraud to Remove the President
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@Dr.Franklin
everything was illegal
What do you mean " everything"?
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@FLRW
The anonymous author of the Bible’s Gospel of John and 1 John, 2 John and 3 John is described in those texts as an eyewitness to the life of Jesus. Historically, researchers studying the works have not found evidence of the author’s identity or the existence of the community the author seems to address in his works.
Historian, theologian, and Biblical exegete specialising in the origins of the early Christian Church Professor Barbara Thiering put forward a good argument that the author of John was Jesus (dictating) and a gentile John Mark who took the dictation. She makes some very valid claims in her works, Jesus the Man, Jesus of the Apocalypse and The Book that Jesus Wrote: John's Gospel. Thiering also worked intensively on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Interestingly in some of her works she has "the word" alive and well AD 63 and that Paul was referring to Jesus when he wrote "the word of god is not fettered", meaning Jesus was not in prison.
All interesting stuff. I must say.
But all in all I am of the belief that John the Baptist holds the key to much of these ambiguous statements and half stories that are presented in the NT. There is just so much mystery that surrounds John that just cannot be ignored as much as the theist want to. John was a powerful personality with a massive following of his own at the time yet his role is played down by the scriptures. It all seems so forced that he is shown to be subordinate to Jesus when the opposite could just as easily be true.
The "meeting" and the words spoken down at the Jordan river for me speak volumes.
Then there is the words that Herod had spoken about him here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5060-whatever-did-herod-mean
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@Theweakeredge
What caused your doubt and caused you to be an atheist?Specifically, it was the internal inconsistencies of the bible, that the tellings of the bible did not match what was objectively true, I also chided under the blatant immorality it was spewing. As a gay teen, I find the verse saying I should be stoned and that I am an abomination, particularly uncompelling. Not to mention the creation story, the flood myth, the tower of babel. So many things were incorrect within the bible that I started to completely reconsider my biases. It was thanks to the bible that I decided to study philosophy and logical thinking and such.
Well that is pretty much the whole book. I am still waiting for a certain Lawyer, and Pastor and Chaplin #20 to create a thread that shows "god" in a good light other than the bad light that the bible clearly shows "god" to be and that the biblical god himself claims to be.
It was thanks to the bible that I decided to study philosophy and logical thinking and such.
Well at least out of the bad came some good. And good for you.
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@Theweakeredge
Just so you know, I was a Christian for the first 14 years of my life, it was by trying to get closer with the proposed deity that I became an atheist.
That's interesting. What caused your doubt and caused you to be an atheist? Was it that you actually read the scriptures for yourself without being told things like " you are suffering with internal turmoil and emotional conflict, and that it will pass"?
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@RoderickSpode
Asking me to prove it to you is like asking me to prove to you that being in Hawaii is like being in paradise. That would require you to take the necessary action in buying a plane ticket.
TWO. Two plane tickets. Otherwise how ever are you going to compare one known place that you can visits with the other place that no one alive as ever seen and only exists in the imaginations of the cretinous that could also believe that Santa's Elves this year will all be furloughed so Christmas is cancelled?
Your silly comparisons get more ridiculous by the minute.
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@Theweakeredge
This is a blatant strawman
Of course it is. She can create a strawman argument at the drop of an hat.
I supposed it comes with all of her training and alleged qualifications as A Lawyer, and A Pastor and A Chaplin #20
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@n8nrgmi
Does this mean anything or is this simply to be dismissed along with all the other "conspiracy theories?
Voter FRAUD! Caught Red Handed in Delaware Pennsylvania
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@Dr.Franklin
So there has been no "fraud" at all then and everything was done by the book.
Well that's all good then, isn't it.
"Zero Transparency"
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@Tradesecret
so you don't want to do homework when I ask you a question
You haven't ask me a question.
but you expect me to do it for you.
No I have said CLEARLY that I do NOT need YOU to do anything concerning the contradictions on this thread. Are you blind as well as pig ignorant? LOOOOOK 1st line after last quote. #19
You are the fraud, Reverend and I pity your imagined "students". I can read that which I am seeing there is no need for me to research what I can see is and are a clear contradictions.
LOL!
You really love your childish LOLing don't , Reverend. What ever is the matter with you child.
OH, and because I am so generous to you.
Start a thread if you are so desperate to regain any respect you may have thought you had. You have none in my eyes in respect of your alleged "qualifications" and positions as A Lawyer, A Chaplin and A Pastor #20
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@ fauxlaw,
Do not be so rude as to have me blocked but respond to my threads you coward.
Get off my thread!!!!!
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@SirAnonymous
Told to re mark ballots with "yesterdays date" [ 3rd] "and send them through the express system for wherever they needed to go"To quote the Sky News reporter in the video, "We have been unable to independently verify this." Whatever is proposed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Early days then.
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@HistoryBuff
I understand her frustration.
I don't.
you keep regurgitating random conspiracy theories that have little or no basis in reality.
Too early to tell I would say.
Despite her explaining them to you one by one why each of them are bogus,
In her opinion they are bogus.
You want there to be fraud,
No. I have said I don't have a horse in the race.
so you see it everywhere despite there being no evidence
Its not often your right........ but you are wrong again
and fairly easy to find info that disproves these hoaxes.
Is all I have seen is someone being rude and offering nothing but opinion.
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@Danielle
- Well I though it would be better ask those that should or do know. Stop being so rude. It is uncalled for.
- Make sure that you do and let me know what your expert opinion comes up with.
And stop being so fkn rude!!!!!
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@Danielle
All three of these link back to the same exact photo where you can't tell what it says, because the pic is too blurry lol. Great evidence. You people have no shame.
That is one link. It was just the way I have C & P'd it.
I can read it. Names on the left and the right hand column all date 1900.
You people have no shame.
I am just interested on your/anyone's take of it all. I don't have an horse in the race so there is no need to get snotty and uppity with me about it, Danielle.
Is this BS too?
Told to re mark ballots with "yesterdays date" [ 3rd] "and send them through the express system for wherever they needed to go"
I think she says that she were sent there to observe the count. Does she have a right to observe or not?No she does NOT. You have to be pre-approved with certain credentials.
How do you know she didn't?
So not only is she a fucking nutjob, she's also apparently a terrible lawyer who doesn't know basic election processes. And neither do you or the dumb ass people you keep sharing nonsense links from. How are you not embarrassed yet? Honestly. Everything you shared was fake lol.
Stop be so unnecessary rude.
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@Danielle
Explain to me what you think this proves.
It proves a very old man was lucky enough to have lived through 20 Presidents and survived 17 of them. Or he didn't.
Your turn;
Lol why does it matter that the Republican is a lawyer?
I think she says that she were sent there to observe the count. Does she have a right to observe or not?
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@Danielle
Is it correct that ballots for people born in of 1900 and are well over100 years of age have been submitted, counted and allowed?Is it? Where have you heard that?
here
and here
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@Danielle
I can't tell if you're trolling or not
I am not. I was just looking at all the voter "fraud" allegations and posting what I have found. They may all be BS for all I know. I am English and don't really have a handle on how the U.S. voting system works.
Lol why does it matter that the Republican is a lawyer?
I think she says that she were sent there to observe the count. Does she have a right to observe or not?
Is this BS too?
Told to re mark ballots with "yesterdays date" [ 3rd] "and send them through the express system for wherever they needed to go"
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@Danielle
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@Danielle
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@Danielle
Thousands of ballots being collected only today!!!!!!!!! ? Why?
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@SirAnonymous
Is it correct that ballots for people born in of 1900 and are well over100 years of age have been submitted, counted and allowed?
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Jesus, it is said , performed 7 miracles also referred to as the 7 signs ( some argue he performed more) but for convenience and further argument we will stay with the now famous and most popular, those being;
- Changing water into wine at Cana in John 2:1-11 - "the first of the signs"
- Healing the royal official's son in Capernaum in John 4:46-54
- Healing the paralytic at Bethesda in John 5:1-15
- Feeding the 5000 in John 6:5-14
- Jesus walking on water in John 6:16-24
- Healing the man blind from birth in John 9:1-7
- The raising of Lazarus in John 11:1-45.
Now, after the death of John the Baptist King Herod on hearing about these so called miraculous wonders being performed by Jesus (he had never met him personally at this point Luke 23:8) appears to be frightened out of his skin. Why?
Well because the bible states this:
12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
14 And king Herod heard of him [Jesus]; (for his name was spread abroad:) and he said, That John the Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him [Jesus].
15 Others said, That it is Elias. And others said, That it is a prophet, or as one of the prophets.
16 But when Herod heard thereof, he said, It is John, whom I beheaded: he is risen from the dead.
So for anyone observant enough, they should be asking what were the "mighty works" that John had performed for them to be now "showing forth themselves in Jesus"?
We have had it confirmed by a regular contributor to DebateArt, The lawyer and the Pastor and Chaplin, reverend Tradesecrete #20 that :
There is no reason to assume that John ever performed any "miracles" mentioned at verse 13 above. And I too admit that I neither recall any miracles, or signs or wonders performed by John the Baptist. Indeed, we are told that John was not even a messiah!
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@Tradesecret
Over to you Reverend>I am sure you can wriggle out of this little dilemma with all of your qualifications as a Criminal lawyer not to mention in your religious capacities as both a qualified Pastor & Chaplin.I have told you I am not a reverend. I am not. Yes, I know how the titles are given in our church.
But you are. You just didn't know it Reverend. You tell us that you are A lawyer and both A Chaplin and A Pastor. I have shown you what the title is and how a Pastor should be addressed. So If you are not to be addressed as A Reverend then you are not A Pastor.
The differences between a pastor and a reverend can be drawn by looking at the function of these labels when they are attached to a certain name.“Pastor” is addressed to a noun, or specifically a person, the leader or the minister of the church. On the other hand, “reverend,” according to the dictionary, is an adjective, addressed to an honorable person who is worthy to be revered. It is used as a title of respect applied or prefixed to the name of a member of a clergy or a religious order.“Pastor” is a function or occupation while “reverend” is an honorable title. For example, Smith, the minister of the church, can be called “Pastor Smith” if you are referring to his position as the leader of the church, but you can also call him “Reverend Smith” if you are addressing him with respect and honor, the same with “Honorable Smith.” Summing it up, you can call him “Reverend Pastor Smith.”
So which Reverend are you Pastor? " The Honourable"? Or " The Reverend to be revered? Or is it both? It makes no difference to me. But I do think it simply respectful to address you by your proper title.
What is there to wriggle out of here? King David was anointed. Solomon was anointed. Messiah means anointed. The Greek transliteration is Christ. This means anointed.
10/10. My ten year old grandchild knows this.
I have just read your post above. #55 to rosends. You have simply said you don't agree then made all sorts of contradictory claims. I honestly do not believe that you actaully know what the word messiah means.
By the way - you mention my qualifications more that I ever have. In fact I resisted for a long time giving any information about myself - because I thought it was neither yours nor the Brothers business and I knew -
AND I didn't even ask you if you had any qualification, did I, not once? You volunteered that information without any inquiry or prompting or coaxing from me. Rather a silly move for one claiming to be , among other things, a Lawyer! here #20
" I am a lawyer. [......................] But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20 Tradesecret
Personally I have never come across a Lawyer that instructs his "clients" to surrender any information ,especially when not even asked for. Especially a lawyer that instructs "ALL his clients never to answer a yes or no question".
"I counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes and no answers". #15 Tradesecret
and I have been proved right - that if I ever simply gave into your demands - that you and the Brother would use them in such as way as to diminish who I was.
How ever could I "diminish" what it is that you claim to be? I cannot excommunicate you. I cannot disbar you. I think you are over reacting again Reverend. And I have never DEMANDED anything. But you did tell me not so long ago that IF you ever forgot to respond , that I should politely remind you instead of accusing you of running away.
I think that you diminish your own qualifications and BOTH your titles by your lack of biblical knowledge. Are you now going to level a charge of bullying and harassment against me.
The answer to Rosends' question is the difference between an anointed and "the anointed". The difference is an article. Jesus was not just a carpenter in Nazareth. He was THE carpenter.
Nagger if I recall . Simply meaning a wise, literate. teacher. I don't mind being corrected on that.
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@Tradesecret
Stephen, yes you have questions. This is good. Please continue to ask them. But please do your own homework.
So you don't know. I can never understand why you just didn't say as much. You would have no need to remain on this thread .
If you want me to speculate I will. But as far as I can tell you are taking huge leaps of faith here in relation to your version of what John came to earth for.
The scriptures make it clear. Matthew 3:1-17. So unless you are saying John had any other purpose either spit it out or leave the thread.
such as his anointing in his various guises.
Yes I remember all the other reasons that you concocted for Jesus being baptised by John here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4736-then-why-baptize-him
You also never did get around to producing the "very clear" biblical evidence that you say proves Jesus' baptism was an anointing that made him king, among other things, here#21
his anointing in his various guises.
Yet we only know of the one baptism performed on Jesus by John don't we. Or are you about to enter another into the scriptures that is not there?
Did John for instance cure any lepers? Did he walk on water? Did he feed a multitude with just a fish/s and a few loaves of bread?I don't recall John in relation to any miracles - save and except the voice from Heaven.
Then that is all you had to say in your very first post.
Or should we just assume that he did all the things that Jesus went on to do?I don't think there is any assumption necessary. His role was to point people to Jesus. This he did. And once achieved - what happened was a matter for God.There was no reason for him to go about doing miracles. John was not a messiah. Even though he was probably anointed as a priest. He was not the anointed.
So your answer then is NO - . And that again, is all you had to say, Reverend.
Even though he was probably anointed as a priest. He was not the anointed.
Well I am sure there is an argument there for another day and on another thread.
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@Tradesecret
Duh!
And there was you crying and stamping your feet saying I mock you. You really are childish creature aren't you Reverend
Of course that does it for you. I am not surprised by that at all. Yet, it still does not get the heart of the matter does it?
And it will and does to anyone sane reading these contradictory verse.
… I HAVE SEEN GOD God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at ANYTIME…”– John 1:18
Wriggle all you like Reverend. The contradictions are there and there are hundreds of them "Lawyer, Pastor , Chaplin" REVEREND!!!? #20
Do you really think that the authors of the bible so DUMB
YES! And so are those that read the verses and not see the GLARING CONTRADICTION. It simply show and proves to me they are backward, REVEREND.
And since I am not going to do your homework for you - and since you obviously know the bible so well - you should know the answer
I don't need you to shown me anything Reverend. I can plainly see for my self. If you see something other than what is CLEARLY WRITTEN then I can only refer you to here>>
Just a reminder that you have ignored or forgotten my request numerous times now . here>>>>> #10 Why?
And this too seems to have slipped your memory #54 but needs addressing a the earliest possible date.
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
-->@Jarrett_Ludolph wrote : What, exactly, is your basis for believing that the Bible is True? Cannot use "because the Bible says so" in your answer, since any religion would be true by that standard.
The Reverend Tradesecret, replied with a question of his/her own. Why they ever think that this somehow answer the original question always escapes me.
Tradesecret wrote: just for the sake of clarity, how many religions religious books ACTUALLY say they are the WORDS OF GOD?
This is a typical response from those that allege to be "qualified" in such matters , such as the Reverend Tradesecrete who claims to be both a ", Pastor & Chaplin" #20
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@Tradesecret
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19The Judges verse talks of the people not driving out the inhabitants of the mountain, not God.[.............]
… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18Let's see if you can figure it out.
"At anytime" says it all for me.
All the above verses contradict one another no matter which way you want to interpret and spin them. One says one thing and the other says opposite. That is the definition of contradict. Get over it "Lawyer, Pastor , Chaplin" REVEREND!!!? #20
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@Tradesecret
not when It comes to these scriptures I don't. After all my initial beliefs about them, I still stand by my over all opinion that - in the New Testament in particular- these scriptures are telling another story of a violent struggle for power among the many religious sects and factions.. I believe the story is there to be wheedled out from the many clues that betray the accepted story of man born of a virgin among straw and cows in a shed to became the messiah of the Jews / saviour of Christendom .LOL!
Which part of my reply did you find funny. You asked a fkn question, I answered. So be polite enough to explain what you found so humorous.
So it does have an agenda?
In what sense . And it was just a few post ago that you were crying and accused me of "mocking you" and you call me "it". And I believe that you are confusing agenda with purpose. You really do not know anything at all do ,"Lawyer, Pastor , Chaplin" REVEREND!!!? #20<<<<<<<<<< Now that really IS something to "LOL" about.
I have been waiting for you to reveal even a tiny bit.
Then you should have simply asked if it was troubling you so much. . But that has been your problem all of your pitiful life hasn't it. You have never asked anything about anything at all. You have just been told and "passed it on" and without question.
I have made it clear on many of my threads what I believe concerning these unreliable scriptures. I haven't ever hidden the fact.
You have been very careful. LOL!
Nope. Again, what the fk are you laughing about? Are you unbalanced? why the hysterics? I have always been open. I have said many times that I believe that there is another story below the surface of the ambiguous and unreliable biblical stories. So what and why you are wetting your nickers with laughter over it is beyond me.
Well at least it explains somewhat the warped views you have.
I have no warped views. If anyone here has warped views princess it is the cretinous that believe a man can walk on water and can bring to life dead rotten stinking corpse's that have been buried 6ft under for days, weeks and hundreds of years!!! Where as I simply believe that these so called "miracles" have other explainable meanings.
So you tell me princess, which one of those opinions and beliefs sounds more "warped".
And also why you NEVER reveal your true sources. I would be embarrassed too.
I have told you many times. The source for my questions come DIRECTLY from the scriptures themselves. I read them, and I scrutinise them, and they throw up questions time and time again, You are just too fkn bone idle to do your own research of the bible itself never mind any extra biblical materiel that may or may not support the claims made by these gospel writers in the scriptures.
Yet here you are , claiming to be "qualified" as A Lawyer and A Pastor and A Chaplin #20 to teach these scriptures to others, I think you called it "passing on" what you have been told. . If ever I have said anything that requires me to supply a source then I do. As I did when you reminded about my Son of God claim, which not ONLY contained BIBLICAL sources but supporting evidence from people that are REALY "qualified" to confirm or deny one claim or another.
But I will tell you what REVEREND!? The next time you believe a comment or claim of mine deserves a source, then please don't be afraid you point it out.
Just a reminder that you have ignored or forgotten my request numerous times now . here>>>>> #10 Why?
And this too seems to have slipped your memory #54 but needs addressing a the earliest possible date.
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@BrotherDThomas
Do you see how hard it is for me to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st century,
I do Brother. A rod and a burden that has been falsely created for your back by others I am afraid to tell you. It was those that decided it would be a good idea to claim the Jesus of the first century was also the same old ancient god Yahweh of the Hebrew and Jews.
And yet, as yourself has clearly pointed out _ "The old has passed away; behold, the new has come." ( 2 Corinthians 5:1) " but for some reason these early Christians seem to want to hang on to the ancient and cruel, intolerant vile god of the ancients, and have forced this dogma into you from childhood ( I suspect) thereby causing you to carry a burden of their own ignorant misunderstandings.
So I see your struggle and hope that one day you will be able to at least free yourself of the creature that makes all those commands and dictates that cause children to suffer and die for no reason at all.
Jesus does change His mind in 2 Corinthians 5:1, and where He does NOT change His mind in Numbers 232:19? Whew, its a tough faith to follow at times. :(
Well I am confident that the Reverend Tradesecrete will be along soon to relive you of your dilemma (in this instance at least) by telling explaining the "context" of both these verses that you have either, misread, do not understand and have taken out of context yourself. For which I am sure you will truly grateful for.
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@Mopac
Your tactic of tearing down Christianity does not work against The Orthodox Church.
That's a bit strong,to say - "tearing down Christianity" don't you think. I could hardly "tear down" Christendom simply by highlighting these ambiguous scriptures that contradict themselves more often than they don't.
Tactic
Showing these scriptures for what they are has been going on from the time they were complied. I am not this first and it is not a "tactic", but the result of one's findings after research and study . Years in my case and I didn't have to shut myself away from the rest of the world to do so either. How would I ever share and test my views or opinions?
Me being "privy to information that others aren't" as you say would be a direct challenge to your so called gnosticism.
It may be, if you were indeed privy to unknown archaic knowledge as you always appear to always be claiming.
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@Mopac
At best, the various Christian based sects could be said to have a partial revelation of the faith.
As I said, snippets?
If I were to say they only have snippets of the true church, I wouldn't be implying that the church is broken or divided, nor would I imply that these sects in anyway make up the church. What I would say is that what they have is incomplete.
That is what I have said. Snippets of the truth. To not have a complete picture and only some parts of said picture means to only have snippets. Unless they have more than you want to admit to? That they may be as closer to what you deem to be "the truth" that you want them to be?
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
This could just as easily apply to you and your church as it does to another. Your church could just as easily be said to have "went out from us" i.e the original meaning and purpose of the Jewish Jerusalem church of which James, the brother of Jesus, was said to have become head of after the death of John and Jesus. You just simply believe that you are privy to information that others aren't. There is nothing new about this. You, all Christian churches make exactly the same claim.
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