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Did this "racist thug" record these videos himself, or are you just making that part up?Did I say he did? No, so you are simply confused.
You said this which is at least implying that he was the source.
" you continually posting links from a well known racist thug who is also a criminal convicted of fraud? ". But never mind.
The issue is that you are using a convicted fraudster
Well considering that you have brought an alleged "fraudster" into the mix , I think he is then in a better position than you or me to smell and spot fraud when he sees it. Don't you? Maybe his sharp eyes and clear sense of smell can smell and spot the alleged fraud going on in Pennsylvania and other states?
well known for being a racist thug as your main news source.
Can you support that claim. Can you give me e few instances when this man has behaved or spoken in a racist manner?
Why would you expect such a source to deliver reliable or unbiased news?
Why do you think that his opinion is less valid that yours own or mine?
Why would you follow him at all?
I am open to many opinions this man's included, as I am yours.
The question is largely rhetorical, because we've reviewed the videos he's provided and proof has been offered they are nonsense.
And I have accepted that until anyone (including you) can come up with evidence to the contrary. Do you have any evidence for voter fraud? Or do you believe there hasn't been any at all and the republicans are just hanging on by their fingernails...... as is their right to do by all accounts.
Whatever your rationale was for following him and trusting in videos he promotes, you were wrong to do so.
And I will accept that for the moment, but you haven't answered any of the above questions yet. Would you ever accept that you may be wrong?
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@Mopac
Let me show you how silly and childish your post #4 above really is here Mopac.
Starting here;
I asked my priest if I should go down to the gay bar and gun down all those filthy sinners.
But what does the bible instruct?
And are homosexuals "filthy sinners" in your eyes?
Apparently, that would be very wrong to do.
Its not wrong according to scripture though is it?
Is that what your priest said or your own opinion?
And why did you ever believe that you needed to ask a Priest in the first place ?
What would you have done if The Church had sanctioned your idea?
What does that lead me to believe?
It leads me to believe ; That you are torn between what your Priest, your Church instructs and what your God actually instructs.
Better to do what the church says, I say.
I agree. So then do you not believe that parts of the bible should be exSPELLED?
I will be very interested in you answers.
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@TXHG
from a well known racist thug who is also a criminal convicted of fraud?
So were all of these video links created by with this "well known racist thug who is also a criminal convicted of fraud? Or someone else and he has just ` shared' . Did this "racist thug" record these videos himself, or are you just making that part up?
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Have some respect;
You don't deserve any. You are a coward and your actions are cowardly. Shouting from the sidelines is cowardly, shouting while standing behind the crowd is cowardly. Antagonising on the outside of the ropes instead of in the ring is cowardly.
This is the second time I have asked you to leave my thread.
I have no interest I anything that you have to say while you have me on that cowardly block.
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@TXHG
Did you even look at this?
I did . I couldn't make head nor tail of it. That's why I came to those that should understand it or at least believe they understand it. Are you saying I came to the wrong place and could you point me in the right direction if I am asking the wrong people here.
thank's for your time
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Yes I got that. I asked you what it is that would you like me to tell them.Sorry, I misunderstood you. I just meant it would be nice if you told them that all of those things have been proven false, and that it's dangerous to promote those kinds of conspiracy theories with such flimsy evidence.
Ok I will get right on that for you Daniel
It's irresponsible and immoral to be so careless with accusations like that given how many people are ready and willing to take up arms against the "deep state" for Donald Trump's lies.
Could you show me the evidence of "many people are ready and willing to take up arms against the "deep state" , and I can pass that on at the same time for you.
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@Danielle
All the links you shared came from the same person on Parler. I assume you either follow them or follow someone who follows them.
Yes I got that. I asked you what it is that would you like me to tell them.
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@BrotherDThomas
YES, I embrace homophobia because the JUDEO-Christian Bible promotes it, and who is any Christian to deny this fact! Therefore, when Jesus states in how homosexuals are to be treated in Leviticus 20:13, then who am I to say He is wrong? GET IT? That would be like calling Jesus a LIAR like Tradesecret has done ad infinitum, and where he/she has committed the Unpardonable Sin as the consequences!
God never makes mistakes and is never wrong according to scripture Brother , So I can see your dilemma. I know you see me as the spawn of Satan himself , Brother, but I can offer you this and hope it gives you some comfort that you are doing right by the Lord........ though it has never once brought me any comfort, ever.
Proverbs 3:5-6
English Standard Version
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make straight your paths.
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@Mopac
It says to kill people who work on the sabbath.
Fair play.
I should have said the Sabbath. And not Sunday. Well spotted my little tonsured friend.
Yes it does say kill someone for working to feed their kids and to keep a roof over their fkn heads on this special day, doesn't it.
Tell me, why should I give everything I have to the "poor"? Like the "book" instructs.
I don't mind you nitpicking but at least attempt an answer to the OP. It is the reason I started the thread.
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@Danielle
I hope you say something to the people you follow
What like?
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@Mopac
Stephen, you ask all the wrong questions.
That is a stupid thing to say. I have asked you a simply question. what is wrong with what I have asked.
That is why you are confused.
I am not confused about anything. Your the one choosing solitary confinement , mopac. I am free to think for my self.
What would really be better for you is if you submitted to a teacher in humility
Another ridiculous statement. Is all " religious teachers " do is regurgitate what they have been told themselves . Look at this preacher teacher admitting to that very fact:
bottom two lines
"inmost parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i havereceived. #20
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4906-atheist-creed?page=1&post_number=20 <<<<<<< from a "qualified" Pastor & Chaplin, no less!!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4906-atheist-creed?page=1&post_number=20 <<<<<<< from a "qualified" Pastor & Chaplin, no less!!
And these things "passed on" can be dismantled within seconds. Why did Jesus not eradicate all leprosy instead of "curing " just a few lepers? I know the answer to that question, do you?
rather than try to figure everything out on your own.
I have done pretty well with the teaching I have received , Mopac. I can assure you of that.
That teacher wouldn't be me.
You'd make a worse teacher than that pompous penis ethang5 and the patronising prig Tradesecrete, put together.
You are far too scared to be pushed or challenged. This is why you are preferring to lock yourself away with the beliefs of others and not a single original thought of your own.
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@Mopac
Still fully intending on becoming a monk. It just has been delayed
Yes you said. You will have a monk place of your own to run as I understand it. With wifi and running water, no doubt.
You can ask me anything, but you are not entitled to an answer.
I am if my question arises from your scriptures and your comments.
But I would rather you just simply say you didn't know when you don't know instead of fkn crying and whining like a little tart and skirting the question for twenty billion pages before eventually saying `I am not answering you' .
I asked you a perfectly reasonable question about the baptist, is all you have to say is - `I don't know `. and that would be the end . No need for me to peruse you for answerers that you cannot give, now is there?
Although the Christ himself appears to indicate that John was baptised. I was just hoping to establish if he was baptised before or after he met Jesus?
Do you know or not?
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"The Bible is a book. It can't cause anything",#3 - has to be the most ignorant, uneducated , backward thinking and thoughtless statement ever written on this forum. Or is the statement by the Reverend Tradsecrete , correct?
And of all the "books" that this could have been said about, the author of that ridiculous statement was talking about one of - if not the - most influential "books" ever written.; the Bible which is full of words. Indeed the Christ himself is called "The Word". When words are put together they become magic, they cause/d people to do things , this is why the ancients called it -SPELL - ING. And for anyone that has studied the scriptures in any depth would know this fact.
This is like saying 'words can't cause anyone to be hurt or disappointed or depressed, or happy or suicidal when they clearly can and do . Words on a internet forums & and other social media have caused suicide rates around the world to sky rocket caused by words.
Words in books have caused people to murder. John Lennon's murderer Mark Chapman said he killed John Lennon because the favourite character ever in a book he was reading - Holden Caulfied, would have killed John because he didn't like "phonies".
Words can be formed into all kind of revealing sentences and paragraphed that tell us information that can or cannot be acted on and used for benevolent or malevolent purposes. The Quran clearly instructs adherents to Islam to kill anyone not Muslim and it causes many its followers to do just that, no matter how much the apologist want to deny this fact.
So it is a pretty much an established fact A book can and does "cause " people to act, or think, or believe, or learn.
What is different then about the bible that we are told "can't cause anything". Well in truth it is worse than any novel or instruction manual ever written and to say that it can't cause anything, by a member of the clergy is nothing short of profane" How contradictory can one get or ever live to be!?
The bible instructs people to kill, and these are not man made laws if the bible is to be believed, they are direct orders to Christians written in a "BOOK", a book whose words were "breathed into it" by god.
Crimes and Punishment.
Adultery : Death
Homosexuality : Death
Working on Sunday : Death
Cursing parents: Death
Blasphemy : Death
These words in the book called the bible have caused death.
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@ludofl3x
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@Mopac
I decided against joining this monastery
Well that didn't last long did it!!!?
And you kept that quiet too Mopac. You wasn't to shy about telling us that you had joined to become a monk, why the secrecy?
because it occured to me that for me to join this monastery I would have to do something that would dishonor my bishop back home.
What would that be? And why would it dishonour your bishop?
In the end, I did what I believed was right to do as someone under obedience.
Can you explain that?
Plans changed.
As do minds.
The current situation is that I will be part of the founding of a new monastery, one with the blessing of my bishop.
New but the same you mean?
The abbot has a lot of experience. My bishop, as a monk himself and a lover of monasticism, wants this monastery to have a good start. I was told last night as a matter of fact that I will start my novitiate around march.
Well what is the matter with the monastery you have been lodging in for free that last month? Is the truth that you have been evicted?
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@Castin
He mentioned he will eventually cancel his cell service,
Well his battery hasn't worn down yet . This thread was started - I am about to become a monk - 29 days ago
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@BrotherDThomas
Jesus!!!! Brother.
That looks like the runaway rap-sheet from hell; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUG9VzHoEoc
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@Theweakeredge
What people do behind closed doors in their own homes is nothing to do with me.
I am concerned with these vile scriptures that call humans an abomination and should be put to death for being homosexual. And I believe that I have already mentioned as such above.
I am still waiting for Spode to respond to my questions about his own religious opinion on the matter. This is what I wrote at post #2
-->@RoderickSpode: Does the bible cause homophobia?
It may well do and it is not impossible. But a phobic person is one that suffers from an irrational fear or dread. So to "fear" homosexuals, does to me seem very irrational. To be against or anti homosexuality is another thing altogether.
So seeing that I have been quoted above, and instead of trying to play down what are clear anti homosexual biblical verses, why don't you simply tell us your personal stance on the matter of homosexuality and if or not you believe it is a "abomination" worthy of "death",
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with
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@Theweakeredge
I am cis male. (That means I was born with a penis) I am a guy. No, all being pansexual is, is that you are attracted to people regardless of gender, gender doesn't factor in. You can be non-binary and pansexual. The two are not mutually exclusive. If you think they are, explain yourself.
Sounds all very ' Sodom and Gomorrah ' . I wonder was it ever prophesied by anyone that the world would go this way? Where humans would become so confused and convoluted about gender.
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@Tradesecret
I do understand Orthodoxy. I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church.
Which ones?
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@Tradesecret
He just does not like the answers - so he tries to pose the same questions in different ways.
Which sometimes needs to be done when you have replied but have not answered. There is a difference my sly lawyer friend, as you well know, replying doesn't necessarily mean that you have answered.
I once asked you - is Jesus also Yahweh god of the Hebrews? You constantly came back with _ " Jesus is god" - knowing full well you hadn't answered my question. You take me for a complete and utter uneducated twat, while knowing absolute nothing about my background or education. Your arrogance would make most people sick, but it doesn't make me sick. I quite enjoy exposing your fakery, your biblical ignorance and your forever, contradictory, ambiguous flawed scriptures .
It is not hard to expose you . That is because your arrogance blinds you to what is coming. And I know these flawed scriptures much better than you will ever do.
I did so here with these two threads.
Starting with this one I asked about "other function/s" John may have performed:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5011-what-did-john-the-baptist-besides-baptise <<< here you couldn't wait to tell me (a) " I don't think there is any assumption necessary [that john performed miracles] " but there is isn't there?
and here (b) "I don't recall John in relation to any miracles", but the bible indicates he did , doesn't it? You know, the bible that you say was "breathed by god" .
AND lets not forget (c) "There was no reason for him to go about doing miracles" but according to Herod in those very same god breathed gospels , John indeed had been performing ""mighty works" as Jesus was now doing. But you hand't even considered any of this before flying in with your replies. WHY? Because you are bible ignorant! You simply didn't know! If you did, you would have easily connected the two and seen what was coming next. Yet you go around places of education pretending that you do know in your guise as a "qualified" Chaplin and Pastor. give me afkn break!
I was expecting your arrogant know-it-all response and was ready to follow up with this back hand
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5060-whatever-did-herod-mean <<<<<<<<And here I called you on it
And you have simply ignored it after I showed you where you may be in error as to your extremely hasty answers shown at (a) , (b), and (c) above.
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@zedvictor4
And you don't also have an agenda?
Yes she does, as all Christians do. Because : He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.Mark 16:15 <<<< that is here agender in her "calling" as a "Pastor and a Chaplin".
Quote: " But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them". #20 but in the same breath she says she has no agenda.
Let's be honest....It's because the literal bible is now out of sync with modern thinking...….It's still reliant on a fantastic creation hypothesis and is often embarrassingly, politically incorrect.
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You try to be a modern thinker, but are still well and truly stuck in the out of date past.
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@Tradesecret
And oh yes, despite your constant harping - I am not a reverend.
Don't make me laugh.
How should a person claiming to be a real "qualified Pastor" be addressed?
Write “The Reverend” followed by the pastor's full name on the exterior envelope. This formal title is appropriate for both Protestant and Catholic denominations of Christianity. This would be the most typical way of addressing the pastor, if you were inviting them to an event or sending a formal request, for example.
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@Tradesecret
that it was >>>>> Christianity<<<<<< that caused millions of deaths and not the New Testament as I have been telling you for a long time now.I never said Christianity killed people -
I know. I said that.
and I never said the NT has killed anyone.
If you say I have please provide the links to the quotes.
I didn't did I. Learn to read and scrutinize , LAWYER! if indeed you really are one?
And just to be clear. Christianity per se has not caused millions of deaths.
It has, The New Testament hasn't.
Christianity is not the same as people in the church using the church to kill people unlawfully or even lawfully in the name of a king - such as the crusades.
Tell that to someone that will believe it. It was the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christian interpretation<<<<<<<<<<<<< of the bible and the NT in particular that caused all those millions of deaths. I happen to agree that the crusades were a cause fighting for, but not for the cause of supporting a religion. But to defeat and force back a extremely barbaric religion that hasn't and cannot change or reform in anyway.
That would be equivalent to saying atheism in the form of Communism has killled more people in the 20th and 21st century than all of the rest of history.
It probably did.
Would you say the same about the "book" called the Quran that actually instructs followers of Islam to convert the world to Allah/Islam and by the sword if necessary.Yes. I would say that the Quran is a book. It cannot cause anyone to do anything.......................... I don't take the view that Islam causes people to murder people.
Of course it can, does and has. stop being to fkn pig ignorant. The Quran explicitly commands its followers to kill the infidel in over 100 verses. They can't all be interpreted to mean love thy fkn neighbour. They throw Homosexuals of roof tops because the religion of Islam commands it , just as the Old and New Testaments. Romans 1:26-27
People within Islam exploit people to do things over and above what the religion itself teaches.
Quran8:39Andfight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
Yet the book itself has no power to do that.
I agree. It is the WORDS in these "holy" books "breathe by god" that cause people to kill . You are a damn hypocrite!!!!!! Pastor
Quran 51 - You,who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies.They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people"
. Are you telling me that those " WORDS" "breathed" by the same god that you hold holy are tolerant or intolerant?
and you keep forgetting that "a book" particularly the Bible is full of instructions. Is he that professes to be a devotedly religious person to a faith supposed to ignore what "THE BOOK" instructs and commands him to do?
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@Tradesecret
You seem to think that your constant trolling matters. LOL!
So asking you and others uncomfortable questions or responding to your own comments or questions is "trolling" now is it?
You just cannot keep up with your own bullshit can you Reverend.
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@Tradesecret
The Bible is a book. It can't cause anything
HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!! You know damn well it can. Or you have to agree with me that it was >>>>> Christianity<<<<<< that caused millions of deaths and not the New Testament as I have been saying from almost the day I joined this forum.
Would you say the same about the "book" called the Quran that actually instructs followers of Islam to convert the world to Allah/Islam and by the sword if necessary.
Quran8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
Quran 51 - You,who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies.They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally tothem among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allahguides not the wrongdoing people.
Quran8:60 - Andprepare against them[infidels] whatever you are able of power and of steeds ofwar by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy andothers besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. Andwhatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you,and you will not be wronged.
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@Mopac
I am not entertaining the validity of your line of reasoning.It always seems to be aimed at being subversive.
I don't know what you mean by that. But as I have wrote above; The Christ himself seems to indicate that John was himself baptised . Matthew 21:25
I was merely trying to establish if it was before or after he met and baptised Jesus. I can't see what is worrying you about such a question of exploration. I am not interested in who is supposed to have baptised John.
If you don't know, then simply say so.
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@Mopac
Saintt John the baptist and forerunner to Christ, whether or not he himself was baptized is irrelevent.
So you don't know.
Although the Christ himself appears to indicate that John was baptised. I was just hoping to establish if he was baptised before or after he met Jesus.
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@Mopac
It's not really relevent, because even those who were baptized by John were again baptized with Christ's baptism.
I didn't ask its relevance. I simply asked you was he - John - himself baptised or not before he met Jesus? It really is a yes or no question.
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@Mopac
Baptisms as a rule are performed by priests, but there are certain circumstances where even laymen can baptize such as on someone's deathbed where there are no priests.
So then there is absolute no strict requirement or qualification needed for one person to baptise another?
Is it safe to say then that John the baptist himself was or wasn't baptised before he baptised Jesus? And is there biblical evidence to support this either way?
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@n8nrgmi
trump's lawsuit strategy to win the presidency is a jokeWell you have done a lot of lip flapping up to this pint but haven't yet go around to telling us what "Trumps lawsuit strategy" is, have you?So (1st) what is his strategy, and (2nd) why is it laughable?You also seem to be indicating it - Trumps strategy - will fail-, correct me if I am wrong. So (3rd) why will it fail?seriously, consider your sources
And that his Trumps strategy , is it?
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@Tradesecret
And find no questions.
You could always try here , where Herod appears to be pissing all over your breakfast #5
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@n8nrgmi
trump's lawsuit strategy to win the presidency is a joke
Well you have done a lot of lip flapping up to this pint but haven't yet go around to telling us what "Trumps lawsuit strategy" is, have you?
So (1st) what is his strategy, and (2nd) why is it laughable?
You also seem to be indicating it - Trumps strategy - will fail-, correct me if I am wrong. So (3rd) why will it fail?
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So once more the scripture themselves throw up questions that the theist simply cannot answer.
Yet for Herod to state this he must have known that those "mighty works" that the Christ was now performing were once also being performed by John the Baptist. So who was the real and accepted Christ before John lost his head?
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
Put forth your best arguments for the existence of a God. I will define God as Maximal Great Being, that is omnipotence(all powerful), omniscience, (all knowing) and omnipresence (all loving).
Why the "all loving " in ( )? was it inclusive in your description of god or exclusive from?
Matthew 10:37: "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me"
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
So I guess that blows the existence for the god that you describe clean out of the water.
(all loving).
Does this mean also mean - loving all?
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@Marko
Are you seriously claiming that Christians are the only moral beings out there, and that morality never existed before Christianity recently came around?
That is exactly what they - Christians - believe to have the monopoly on: morals.
They can't even seem to work out that there were laws and dictates even before the ten commandments (which weren't even Hebrew in origin ) , not to mention morals.
No, they believe we were all less than animals going around the place stealing, raping, coveting, telling lies about one another and killing for absolutely no reason at all.
A disbelief in your god stems purely from the fact that your arguments are unconvincing. And so my position is: I cannot believe in the existence of God/gods until you provide sufficient evidence for them (and I’m not hedging any bet that you ever will).
Even if you have 1000 times the lung capacity of a Polynesian pearl diver, do not hold your breath. They will attempt to shift the burden of proof for their claim onto you. example here where the Reverend Tradesectrete tells us where the burden of proof lays for her self created strawman argument in an attempt to get YOU to validate the existence of god. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5067-what-the-better-explanation-for-the-origin-of-the-universe-god-or-nothing But what should one expect from a Lawyer a Pastor and a Chaplin? #20
It is a very old strategy : Burden of proof by claim ; Theism
"When asked to support the claim that a god exists, it's not unusual for an apologist to respond with "You can't prove God doesn't exist", or similar statements. Essentially, this is an attempt to shift the burden of proof (a logical fallacy)."
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@3RU7AL
That is what I have told you all along. You have been told to turn to a chapter and verse. Had it read to you. Then had it explained to you and in your own words you have simply " passed it on", without question. and you are still being trained that way aren't you ReverendAre you familiar with the concept of "chauffer knowledge" - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBaMNsniPRs&list=UUozuo4pmK_2P6LqfYyt4qPg&index=5
I am . It is to say, only hearing & repeating, & passing on mantra-like. ….. the words of you boss.
example: bottom 2 lines
"I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i have received."
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@Tradesecret
I do understand Orthodoxy. I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church.
Which ones?
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@Mopac
Could you answer this for me please; is it right to assume or is it a fact that a person baptising another aught, should or has had their own sins washed away before having the audacity to call others to have their sins washed away?It seems odd that someone who has not been baptized would urge others to get baptized.
Yes, it certainly does don't it.
Would you clarify?
Would someone that is going around baptising others have to have been baptised themselves before having the audacity to be performing the baptismal rite on others?
The Church wouldn't recognize his qualifications. He isn't orthodox.
And "The Church" wouldn't be on their own. S/he doesn't even know how s/he is to be addressed in her/his revered position as Pastor or Chaplin.
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Some Christians claim the bible to be inspired by God. I agree that it is breathed out by God.(A) And your proof for that claim is where?2 Timothy 3:16.
Yes, everyone that has read the scripture knows what Timothy wrote, but I asked you for your evidence of your claim and not for evidence that it was first claimed in writing by Timothy, someone you have never met.. Your dupes - sorry - "students" may fall for this slight of hand bs, but I am not one of your imagined students.
So when you are ready, I would like to see the evidence of your claim that the bible was "inspired by or breathed out by, god".
Most Christians claim there is a God. I agree with most Christians there is a God.(B) And your proof for that claim is where?I believe there is a God.
I don't doubt that you believe it. But I didn't ask you that did I? Stop trying to change the question. I asked you for your evidence that there is a god?
So, where is your evidence that there is a god?
A lawyer attempting to shift the goal posts, in this case where , and who with, the Burden of Proof. actaully lays.You won't forget (a) & (b) above now will you, our resident lawyer ?Please back up your assertion that I attempted to shift the burden or the goal posts.
" The burden of proof falls on the person making an assertion which is contrary to the default position.....The default position does not need to prove their position" <<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<this is YOU attempting to shift the burden of proof when anyone know that it is to s/he that makes the claim that carries the burden of proof. So don't bother with you logical fallacy bs. You simply cannot prove your claims.
Claiming that there is a god simply because you believe there is a god is not evidence that there is a god.
Claiming that because you believe that a god "breathed the words" of the scriptures is not evidence that a god breathed the words of the scriptures.
But you know all this don't to you Chaplin, Pastor, Lawyer, ? #20 OR at least you should with all of your imagined qualifications and all your years of study and being " tutored by all of those learned academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91
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@Death23
They would have made a stronger case [against Trump].
Do the republicans have case against Biden?
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@Mopac
There is nothing odd about it. The creed acknowledges the church an object of belief. If you don't believe in the church, you are not a Christian.Tradesecret claims to believe in the church, but his understanding of what the church is has no resemblence to how the historical church has understood itself from the start.
I see. But you do understand that s/he is a qualified Pastor and Chaplin, not to mention a lawyer too, don't you? That "lectures" real student at universities on matters biblical and has real clients #20 Tradesecret
Personally , Church aside, I don't think the Pastor Tradesecrete - even with all of his a "qualifications- has any understanding of the scriptures, never mind how that church works or understands itself.
Could you answer this for me please; is it right to assume or is it a fact that a person baptising another aught, should or has had their own sins washed away before having the audacity to call others to have their sins washed away?
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@BrotherDThomas
" ................. Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would ............... They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles."
WOW! Deviancy aside. S/he has been a busy s/he. What with working all those years for all those qualifications. Being a lawyer. And qualification as a Chaplin and a Pastor. All her/his court work, instructing clients, ministering to her/his and giving talks and lectures.
And there is all that studying and tutoring under " academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church" .#91
" I am a lawyer. There you go. Now you know. I always counsel my clients that "no comment" is the only wise thing to do when being questioned by the police.[......................] I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. [..............] But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20 Tradesecret
However does/did s/he fit in all that traveling and deviancy?
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@Dr.Franklin
I have just watched - soon to be put out to pasture - Joe Biden admit to Quid pro quo with the Ukraine.
This is something that was alleged against Trump wasn't it, in his impeachment ordeal? Why was is it an impeachable offence, Doc?
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@Tradesecret
Mopac, I feel sorry for you. I really do. I reject your opinion that my church is heretical and will rely instead upon the teaching of GOD in the bible over your opinion.
Patronising
I do understand Orthodoxy. I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church.
Which ones?
"Christians" arguing who has the right to call themselves Christians and who doesn't.
The odd thing here is that you all believe the same scriptures to be "true".
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@Dr.Franklin
Do you think they will?
Do you think they should?
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@Tradesecret
His interpretations do not fall within the range of accepted theologians from the wide range of theologians accepted. As I said he is a pseudo - theologian.
What are my interpretations Pastor Tradesecrete#20 ?
I believe that I have raised questions that Christians have never raised for themselves that spring from their own scriptures. These are usually the ones they choose to ignore or have been intentionally and purposely steered away from; such as here as YOU have done here for example #1 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this question comes from your OWN biblical claims as a Pastor and Chaplin#20 And you are ignoring it.
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@Tradesecret
The point is God chose his people - his people did not choose him. It is God's prerogative -not ours who belong to him.
And how did god set you apart and appoint you to anything ? And lets have some evidence that god chose you to be a Pastor and a Chaplin as you proudly tell us you are#20
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@Tradesecret
Some Christians claim the bible to be inspired by God. I agree that it is breathed out by God.
(A) And your proof for that claim is where?
Most Christians claim there is a God. I agree with most Christians there is a God.
(B) And your proof for that claim is where?
The burden of proof falls on the person making an assertion which is contrary to the default position.
A lawyer attempting to shift the goal posts, in this case where , and who with, the Burden of Proof. actaully lays.
You won't forget (a) & (b) above now will you, our resident lawyer ?
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