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@ethang5

The show has a hundred more great moments. TV without equal.



And all those great moments destroyed in seconds through the incapability of two jumped up twats who thought they could write better than the books. without nothing to go from George RR Martin and his imagination.

Martin though, should shoulder some of the blame for the abortion G of T turned out to be. he was off writhing 500 page novels, prequels and other books concerning individual characters from the original before completing A Song of Ice and Fire.
Millions of G of T fans invested their time and money into this once brilliant project only to be let down by a pair of retarded thickos without any imagination of their own and an author who went for the big bucks instead of finishing what he had hooked in millions to buy into.

It lost it midway through  season 4

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To Touch The Risen Christ
I did sometime ago, raise the question of the bias shown by the risen Christ when allowing the men to touch him but not the women. It went something along the lines brought about by these verses:

John 20:16- 17 16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

But at Luke 24:39 he encourages his followers to touch to feel that he is not a ghost/spirit.

Jesus then goes even further and implores "doubting Thomas" to:,  "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing John 20:27.

The query at the time was  why did this risen so called "god" refuse the affection one person to touch him yet encouraged another to do the opposite?

But all the above aside for a second  we simply have to consider this verse and why it must be taken into serious consideration . Notice the highlight bold & underlined.  
 
Matthew 28:8-15 King James Version (KJV)
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail >>>> And they came and held him by the feet,<<<< and worshipped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

There is not a single mention here about not touching him because he hasn't yet ascended to his father. Not, not a single hint of words of protest about the fact that they are holding him by the feet and he had not yet ascended. 

 I am of course expecting the usual "mistranslated" excuse for this very clear contradiction, where we will have the usual suspects telling me that what I am reading doesn't actually mean what it clearly does mean;  but really it means something entirely different to what is actually written in the scripture.  But it is plain to see that holding means touching. Touching means contact with someone or something else.


And notice. In John above there is absolutely no mention that  Mary had even touched Jesus before his clear instruction for her not to touch him. .

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Has he been outed?
I have seen a few reports that the Trump/Ukraine whistleblower has been named. The most recent was from Bill Reilly who has  said he hasn't a problem revealing the name and has named the whistleblower on his website No Spin News . O'Reilly says the whistleblower  is "a 33 year old CIA annalist who worked with Joe Biden and worked in the Obama administration". 

"O'Reilly joing John Bachman and reveals details of the whistleblower on the Ukraine call and links him to the Democratic party and the Obama administration making him a compromised witness".


Is it everyone who knows the identity of the whistleblower except me?


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The Empty Tomb Enigma
How can you know there is a contradiction unless you know what the verses mean? 

Words sunshine, that's how. One verse says different words to the other words written in the other two verses. Or are you yet again going to put your own words and interpretations into the mouths of these Gospel writers in a vain attempt  to prove that they do not contradict one another.

They CLEARLY contradict one another.   One gospeller writes that the women didn't tell anyone what it was they had witnessed at the empty tome  and gives a reason why they didn't. yet two other gospellers claim that they did speak of their experience. Why are you denying this fact. 

Stop trying to bury these contradictory verses with stalling and filibustering and either explain them or simply admit that they are indeed what they are and always will remain: CONTRADICTIONS!

You THINK the verses contradict. 

No. I know they do contradict one another , REGARDLESS of what I may or may not think.


Matthew 28:8-9 King James Version
8 And they [the women] departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

And Luke appears to be  supporting Matthew version ;

Luke 24:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 And [the women] returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.

So good so far, until ,that is, we read Marks version of events.


Mark 16:8 King James Version (KJV)8 
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

It is also interesting to note here the massive contradiction from Matthew (28:9) above where he tells of the women holding Jesus' feet.  

These Gospel writers just cannot seem to get it together , can they?
 



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I'm asking what what the verse you offered means.

I offered three verses. Where one gospel writer contradicts the  another two regardless of what it means to me. It is what they say and how they contradict one another  that concerns me, and not what I believe they say or imagine what they are saying. Stop trying to divert by asking my thoughts. I have told you clearly that they DO contradict one another. THAT IS WHAT THEY MEAN TO ME!
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@ethang5
If you were here, you would address my points instead of simply saying you disagree. Your post is here. You aren't.

You haven't made any points though , have you. You have simply posted verses that also contradict the contradiction/s that I have highlighted. This is what I mean when I wrote that   by you using passages from the same unreliable contradictory source you are digging a bigger hole. The burden of proof , as I have already pointed you lies with you. And you have failed to prove that the contradiction highlighted on this thread is not a contradiction when it clearly is.

If one makes a statement that is full of contradictions, would it be sensible or reliable to use the same contradictory statement to prove the statement is not contradictory? This is what you are doing , but you are too far up your own jacksie to even consider yourself to be in the wrong. But I don't care, personally. People can see for themselves that you  are having a lot of trouble explaining away the highlighted contradiction that is the topic of this thread.

You have failed. The facts are on my side.


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@ethang5
neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Does this mean they never spoke to anyone ever again,

It doesn't say does it. And we cannot start arguing over what the scriptures DON'T say, can we. Or are you attempting another rewrite of these biblical documents by inserting something of your own in a pitiful attempt to explain away yet another blinding contradiction from the writers of these gospels?

What is does do though is CONTRADICT both Mark & Luke. Matthew 28:8-9 King James Version
8 And they [the women] departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

And Luke appears to be  supporting Matthew version ;

Luke 24:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 And [the women] returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto t
Keep trying sunshine. 
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@BrotherDThomas
Yes, the passages you have quoted upon Jesus' 3 day tomb nap are contradicting.
I appreciate your candor.

I accept biblical contradictions. 
That is refreshing to hear. Although I will admit , I do get some enjoyment watching many believers stutter and stumble, lie and cheat, and attempt to completely re-write these scriptures in a vain attempt to explain away what are clear contradictions.

Ethang5!  I have had to "Bible Slap" this FAKE Christian silly,
Slap away brother. I do find your jousts with ethang amusing at times.


Furthermore, what always disturbed me relative to the main topic of your initial post, as a TRUE Christian, is the fact that Jesus never really died,

I agree completely. Jesus didn't die and neither did Lazarus. They were both a  death of initiation and not physical eternal  death. And in my opinion, the bible itself actually proves this to be the case.


  As you being an Atheist,
In all honesty brother, I am not sure how someone such as yourself would describe  me. I happen to believe these scriptures and believe all these biblical characters existed. I look at them in an historical sense and don't have a 'religious' bone in my body. I believe these scriptures are trying to tell us something , I also believe they are also hiding something. I believe there is a truer story below the surface of these scriptures that,  for whatever reason simply couldn't be told openly at the time. For example, from my own research and understanding, I have good reason to believe the Baptist and Jesus were half brothers and serious rivals. I believe Jesus had a hand in the baptists death. 


 I am sure you would agree that for a true sacrifice, one remains dead, therefore, Jesus truly didn't die to save the sins of the world because He continued to live!

 You are correct. I do agree.
  

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Matthew 28:8-9 King James Version
8 And they [the women] departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

And Luke appears to be  supporting Matthew version ;

Luke 24:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 And [the women] returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.

So good so far, until ,that is, we read Marks version of events.


Mark 16:8 King James Version (KJV)8 
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

It is also interesting to note here the massive contradiction from Matthew (28:9) above where he tells of the women holding Jesus' feet.  

These Gospel writers just cannot seem to get it together , can they?
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@ethang5
If you were here, you would address my points instead of simply saying you disagree. Your post is here. You aren't.

You haven't made any points though , have you. You have simply posted verses that also contradict the contradiction/s that I have highlighted. This is what I mean when I wrote that   by you using passages from the same unreliable contradictory source you are digging a bigger hole. The burden of proof , as I have already pointed you lies with you. And you have failed to prove that the contradiction highlighted on this thread is not a contradiction when it clearly is.

If one makes a statement that is full of contradictions, would it be sensible or reliable to use the same contradictory statement to prove the statement is not contradictory? This is what you are doing , but you are too far up your own jacksie to even consider yourself to be in the wrong. But I don't care, personally. People can see for themselves that you  are having a lot of trouble explaining away the highlighted contradiction that is the topic of this thread.

You have failed. The facts are on my side.


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That would be my guess too
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@ethang5
If you were here, you would address my points instead of simply saying you disagree. Your post is here. You aren't.

You haven't made any points though , have you. You have simply posted verses that also contradict the contradiction/s that I have highlighted. This is what I mean when I wrote that   by you using passages from the same unreliable contradictory source you are digging a bigger hole. The burden of proof , as I have already pointed you lies with you. And you have failed to prove that the contradiction highlighted on this thread is not a contradiction when it clearly is.

If one makes a statement that is full of contradictions, would it be sensible or reliable to use the same contradictory statement to prove the statement is not contradictory? This is what you are doing , but you are too far up your own jacksie to even consider yourself to be in the wrong. But I don't care, personally. People can see for themselves that you  are having a lot of trouble explaining away the highlighted contradiction that is the topic of this thread.

You have failed. The facts are on my side.

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@ethang5
Post #4 Stephen.

Yes ethang. I read your poor convoluted attempt at post 4 where you try to explain away this blinding biblical contradiction, but it changes nothing. Like I have already pointed out , your poor attempt at re writing the scriptures is always your first  default, and putting words into the mouths of the biblical authors and characters is your second default.

You posted 200 so called contradictions but can't respond to even 2 of them rebutted.

I posted way more than that after you challenged members with this post:

@ethang5 post  9 "83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?"https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2392/contradictions-in-the-bible-thread

. You then cried that there were far too many.  You also on the other hand, then simply tried to explain away only TWO of over THREE HUNDRED contradictions  using passages from the same unreliable contradictory source.


 just want to make claims and then run away.

I haven't gone anywhere. I don't have to run away from anything. The burden of proof my friend rests entirely on your miserable hunched shoulders.

Your running away makes people see that your claims are bogus.

There is nothing bogus about the contradiction that I have highlighted in my first post of this thread . It is there for anyone either to see and accept it for what it is, or they are free to challenge it.  Here it is again for those reading here to decide if or not theses are biblical contradictions or not.>>>

1 John 4:12 King James Version (KJV)  No man hath seen God at any time.
 
Well that for me is a definite statement.  I am sure there will be those who will attempt to re-write this verse thereby putting new and alternate words into the mouth of the author ; John,
 
But of course they would have to do the same with Timothy who states ;
 
1 Timothy 6:16 King James Version (KJV) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see[God]: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
 Both of these statements deny the fact that the bible is extremely clear when it comes to who has seen (not to mention spoke to) god face to face.
 
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).
 
The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend (Exodus 33:11).
 
 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.(Genesis 32:30) King James Version (KJV)

This isn't to mention that Adam and Eve are also said to have seen god  and Jacob wrestled with this being called god and Abraham spoke, ate and drank with his god.



 


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@Dynasty
"Has anyone one has seen God"
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Thank you. I noticed after but it was to late to edit it. And that was because I had so much trouble trying to post it in the first place and this is why>>   "Invalid Value Format".  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3217/explain-invalid-value-format

 Now do you have any comment about the content of this topic or are you simply here to pick out grammatical errors?


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@ethang5
That must be why you needed to delete them and pretend you didn't see them.
 

More lies. I have not deleted anything. And I don't NEED to delete anything. Stop telling lies.

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Jesus is God.
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@Dynasty
John 1:1, John 8:58. The entire book of Revelations, etc.

Proves what, exactly?

 To prove that Jesus is God.



How does it? 
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@ethang5
So you posted a fake quote of Jesus in the


Stop telling lies. Lies won't win you an argument and I do not have to respond to you at all if I wish not to. You on the other hand must defend your scripture against these very clear contradictions. You have attempted to address only 1 or 2 (and failed) to explain them away with rational or even good old commonsense and have chosen to ignore the other near on 300! contradictions that are clearly there written in your scripture as many here admit to noting for themselves and accept them for what they are.

This "contradiction" is kaput jedthro.

No, the contradiction remains as clear as day. And you trying to filibusterer and bore people rigid with long winded passages of corrupt text from the same corrupted, ambiguous source simply digs a bigger hole in the scriptures. But you are far to blind to recognize this fact.  Name calling doesn't win you arguments either. And, as I predicted, you are attempting to rewrite the scripture to hide this unavoidable very clearly written, biblical contradiction.

John clearly states:
1 John 4:12 King James Version (KJV)  No man hath seen God at any time. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< AT ANY TIME do you not see that???

NOW READ HERE >>>>>>>>The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).
 
The Lord would speak to Moses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACE TO FACE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,>>>>>>>>>> as one speaks to a friend<<<<<<<<<<< (Exodus 33:11).
 
 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have seen God FACE TO FACE,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and my life is preserved.(Genesis 32:30) King James Version (KJV)

This isn't to mention that Adam and Eve are also said to have seen god. or to mention that Jacob wrestled with this being called god and Abraham spoke, ate and drank with his god.




There is no getting away from the fact that these verses are written in biblical scripture , no matter how many times you try to tell us they mean something else , or that I don't understand or how many times you try to put YOUR words into the mouths of the biblical authors and characters. 

You do have an argument and you certainly do NOT have an explanation.

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@crossed
Everyone Hates Israel

I am not sure that is true anymore than I am sure that everyone hates the English except perhaps the Portuguese.

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@Deb-8-a-bull
No. I wrote the word  god very clearly. 
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@DebateArt.com

  No one seen God` is a perfectly fine topic from the technical point of view so it should be accepted.


It wasn't. I had to change the first word to use three characters instead of just two.

Has anyone seen God


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@Barney
It wasn't. I had to change the first word to use three characters instead of just two.

Has anyone seen God

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Intelligent design
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@crossed
There has been a surge of god hating liberals believe that we were created by aliens.This is the same as believing in god

It is the same imo and maybe that is because gods & aliens are one & the same. There are many references to so called gods ascending and descending to and from the "heavens" / space on clouds of fire and smoke to a thunderous sound so loud it forced people of ancient biblical times to tremble and cower in fear dread. Have you ever been to Cape Canaveral? The sound of the then space shuttle was deafening and frightening and an awesome sight to witness.


People know deep down the reason why the human brain is ten trillion times more advance then the modern computer is because it is created by someone who is ten trillion times more intelligent then the one who created the computer.

That's an opinion not to mention a great assumption.



People usually spout all these facts about science. Like how atoms DNA and laws of physics work.

Indeed. Which is more than the theist does when trying to explain how a supernatural being created everything and why. Simply saying that this being is all powerful and knowing doesn't cut anymore in the educated 21st century where many people have and can, think and work a few thing out for themselves. Stop being to arrogant.


They do this thinking they are disproving god.

No. they can do this because they have undertaken years of study and experiment that explain with facts and evidence how some things came about and why some thing exist.

But because these things are so much more advance then anything we have ever made.It is the most obvious proof that god exist.
opinion and no facts .

It is pure denial.

That cuts both ways. 
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 Appreciate that there is already a thread concerning biblical contradictions but I feel this particular contradiction deserves a thread of its own because it concerns god directly.
 
Did anyone at all see god?
 
1 John 4:12 King James Version (KJV)  No man hath seen God at any time.
 
Well that for me is a definite statement.  I am sure there will be those who will attempt to re-write this verse thereby putting new and alternate words into the mouth of the author ; John,
 
But of course they would have to do the same with Timothy who states ;
 
1 Timothy 6:16 King James Version (KJV) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see[God]: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
 Both of these statements deny the fact that the bible is extremely clear when it comes to who has seen (not to mention spoke to) god face to face.
 
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).
 
The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend (Exodus 33:11).
 
 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.(Genesis 32:30) King James Version (KJV)

This isn't to mention that Adam and Eve are also said to have seen god.
 

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topics with empty topics.

What is one of those? 

Now it requires you to provide at least 3 characters for a topic, where a character is a-z or A-Z.

I don't understand this. Can you give an example of using 3 characters for a topic?

This is the title I want to post : -  No one seen God. What is wrong with the characters of this title?

I am now getting this message. : >>> "One or more participants cannot be found" .

I am not posting this new topic to any individual. So why am i now also getting this silly message?
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@Dynasty
John 1:1, John 8:58. The entire book of Revelations, etc.

Proves what, exactly. 
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I am attempting to post a short new topic I keep getting this >>Invalid value format.

Why am I seeing this message and what can I do to post my new topic?
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@Dynasty
And, I have the facts and reason.

Telling me you have facts and reason is not the same as showing me the facts and the reasoning behind your statement. I have already asked you once to  produce both. So again, when you are ready.....
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@Dynasty
Jesus is God. Change my mind.

It is pointless of anyone attempting to change your mind and especially in the light that you have simply made a statement and have given no reason or  offered any facts as to why you say " Jesus is god".  But you are more than entitled to your beliefs, but also,  it is not up to anyone to change your mind,  rather, it is up to you to evidence your belief  with facts and reason BEFORE issuing challenges. So, when your ready.....

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@Paul

You responded to the title?

Of course I did. Your title IS a fkn question LOOK>>>>>>>>>>--> @Paul wrote  What is Religion About?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


And you’re right I’m not very clear, I do often have that problem.

The title question is very clear. And I answered it. Then you imply that I am not understanding your question and that I should know that you are actually asking about what religion is about and what it means to the individual internally  " that are in it and the fact that it is inwardly focused".


Anyway. You have my response to your initial question.  And I belive you may have killed your own thread by unintentionally moving the goalposts.

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@Paul
Again, what you are talking about is what it is externally, what I want to talk about is the internal dynamic.

Then you didn't make yourself very clear with a question as a title to your thread, did you. No, the title of this thread - your thread - simply asks ;

" What is Religion About"?  You see, it doesn't even mention "the internal dynamic"

I have told you what I believe it is about. The internal dynamic (whatever that actually means) or what religion means to the individual, is another matter and  it will all come down to control in one form or another..
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@Paul
What is Religion About?

It is about control. 

Religion is a very human creation. The word is a relatively modern word and isn't even mentioned in the OT and only 1 or 2 times  in the NT, to my knowledge. 

I have said here many times that there was never any such thing as religion during the time of the biblical patriarchs or before or even in Jesus time. Priests were only there to do the bidding of the lords, that is, those who today are referred to as "gods". The priests had no contact with the general population whatsoever, they were confined to the temple complex where they were taught all kinds 'magic' such as SPELL -ING, reading, writing, mathematics, astronomy and other sciences i.e. healing and medicine. 

It was the kings who ruled over the people with the blessing (permission) of the ruling lord of the time and place. And only the high priest conveyed messages to the king from "his lord" and the king would act on those commands along with his own rules , laws and instructions. These kings, were eventually usurped by these priest once these lords had " left like migrating birds" and as today, it is only the priests who are the king makers and not the Lords.

Thankfully, "religion" doesn't any longer have the grip over the people in the modern develope world that it once had and  people have learned to think for themselves. 



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@EtrnlVw
The ultimate question is; why did "god" create anything in the first fkn place?

Simple, picture God as an eternal creative intelligence. Or just an eternal aware conscious reality. Now imagine that reality a singular reality... just like yourself when you get alone and close your eyes, the observer that is behind your physical form. God is a singular reality, meaning there is no mommy God, no Daddy God, no brother God or sister. This Reality exists eternally alone and permeates all of creation. 
God creates to experience something outside Itself, and this happens through endless channels of awareness. God observes both through form and outside form. It doesn't really matter that it all comes from God, at least there is something to observe and do. God creates because there is an investment. 

 I honestly cannot remember the last time I had read such illiterate CRAP!!!!!  You have absolutely no evidence for that BS and you know it. You would have done better starting that absolute BS with the words  - , in my humble opinion.


  And the only ancient civilisation that has answered the question of;  why did god create man? is the Mesopotamians.  They tell us we/man were created as a slave species to do the bidding of the "gods". And for those who have missed it, the bible tells us similar.

Nah, the answer is very simple. God creates because God is creative by nature, same as you and I. And God wishes to express Itself and does so through creation on multiple levels. 


  Nothing but more of the same crap as you have wrote  above.  The bible itself tell us that -  god, in all of his wisdom - , realised he had forgot to create ' a man to till the land' , that is to labour on the land.  Other bible   versions have it that - there was  "no man to cultivate the ground".  One has to wonder why god simply didn't make the land self cultivating?  Why did the land even need cultivating in the first place?   

I am afraid that your absolute nonsense simply raises more questions than it will ever answer.

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@SkepticalOne
What could better illustrate contradictions in the Bible than a thread full of believers arguing over dissonant passages in the Bible? 

indeed,  and just like the gospel writers, they cannot agree on much , can they?  Even the so called synoptics are not synchronised or speak as one, do they.
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He was king of the JEWS (even Pontius Pilate recognised this) NOT king of Christians.
There were no Christians before Jesus. Jesus is the King of kings. The king of everyone.

Only half right. There were no Christians. And he was king of The Jews. Well done! you're getting there.



Not to mention the FACT that there were no Christians at the time of these commands.
So what? 

Exactly, my you do catch only eventually don't you. There was no Christianity so they couldn't have been instructed to go preach his word to Christians  THAT'S WHAT!.

And this is regardless of what Paul may or may not say. Jesus himself laid down a strict commandment about who should and should not receive his word.
He said whomsoever in the world believes, ......

And that includes Eskimos, Incas, Mayans and Aborigines & Inuites  too did it?  Tell me, would he cast out those like myself who does not believe this Christ to be a god or even a son of a god?  Even though "he died that we may live"?   You are the one who is extremely confused you poor thing. 


John 3:16  "For God loved the world in this way".

Another contradiction. "god" hated the world that he created and man in particular and decided to destroy it.


This is why you can never win an argument, because you constantly try to put words into the Christ's mouth that he didn't utter. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Lol. Would you like me to give you verses talking about the universality of Jesus' message?

Is all I would like you to do is, instead of trying to put words into the mouth of the Christ, is to face the simple fact that the bible does indeed have contradictions. HUNDREDS of them.  Christians cannot even agree on the days the Christ was born, or who his father was or when he was crucified. 




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But His message was for everyone.

No it was not and you cannot prove it was.  I have to keep reminding you, Jesus was a JEW, not a Christian.  He was a JEWISH  priest NOT a Christian priest. He was king of the JEWS (even Pontius Pilate recognised this) NOT king of Christians. In fact I believe Jesus would have been totally appalled at the fact the a new religion had sprung up in his name.

Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep, but His message was universal.

The evidence proves otherwise. And you can ignore it all day long. Jesus himself says  “I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” <<<< see that? not a single mention of christians or you.

Add to this a further FACT you so  crave :



The twelve were sent with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 10:5–6) 

 See that? This is Jesus enforcing a strict command on who the disciples should and shouldn't preach to.  "the lost sheep of ISRAEL"  not Christians or YOU.  Not to mention the FACT that there were no Christians at the time of these commands. And this is regardless of what Paul may or may not say. Jesus himself laid down a strict commandment about who should and should not receive his word.

You are clutching at straws and simply dying for words to be in the scriptures that simply are not there. This is why you can never win an argument, because you constantly try to put words into the Christ's mouth that he didn't utter. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Jesus Himself was sent to the lost sheep.

Yes, the lost sheep of Israel NOT Christianity. Jesus the JEW makes that perfectly clear.  

No one cares about your biased opinion.

Don't you be so sure.

And yet Jesus helped her.

But not before she pointed out his hypocrisy.


Lol. Stephen posts a wall-o-text,

You got exactly what you asked for and are now bleating and wailing instead of addressing those hundreds of very clear contradictions. And speaking of "wall to wall text"   have you must missed the pointless, drivelling babble posted by your dear friend pga who has at least attempted to explain away some of these contradictions that YOU challenged people to post? Go look at the wall to wall of  text at posts 18-19-24-43-44-45-46-47-48-49, just mind your eyes don't bleed.

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Lol. Stephen posts a wall-o-text, and then calls the Christians answer, "tedious  convoluted drivel" and goes on to continue posting mountains of tedious  convoluted drivel.




And still not addressing the issue of these quite clear and obvious biblical contradictions yourself but would rather leave it to some other sucker, although it was you who through down the challenge, here.. post 9 page one.

83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

Don't make me laugh. I don't believe this subject is a laughing matter. There are CLEAR contradictions in these scriptures no matter how many times you attempt to deny they exist.
  Now why don't YOU be brave enough to take on this little blinder?

There are without doubt some contradictions that are damming to Christianity in my opinion.

A clear example is that of the so called 'Great Commision'.  One must keep in mind that Jesus was a Jew, plain and simple. In Fact he was king of the Jews no less. Not king of the Christians

Matthew 28:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:



The twelve were sent with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 10:5–6) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10%3A5%E2%80%936&version=KJV

So, plainly this then is not a universal message. And again we see it with the encounter with the Canaanite woman:

[Jesus denied her plea to heal her daughter, saying] “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (Matthew 15:24–6)

If we go back to the Old Testament we won't  find an all-inclusive message there, either. The Israelites were God’s “Chosen People,” and God had some choice words to say about anyone not "his people":


No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of Jehovah, not even in the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).
God also forbids intermarriage with these foreign tribes (Deut. 7:3; Ezra 9:2, 10:10; Nehemiah 13).

All yours ethang5. don't tax your brain and please take your time.

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Since Stephen has blocked me (IMO, blocking hampers my freedom of speech in responding directly to him yet gets to reply to my posts directly)

 Yes I forget that I had you on block. But I do now remember why it was I had you blocked in the first place.  So in all  fairness, I won't respond to any more of your tedious  convoluted drivel again.
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There are undoubtedly , what some may refer to as 'trivial' contradictions but contradictions all the same.

But there are without doubt some contradictions that are damming to Christianity in my opinion.

A clear example is that of the so called 'Great Commision'.  One must keep in mind that Jesus was a Jew, plain and simple. In Fact he was king of the Jews no less. Not king of the Christians

Matthew 28:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:



The twelve were sent with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 10:5–6) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10%3A5%E2%80%936&version=KJV

So, plainly this then is not a universal message. And again we see it with the encounter with the Canaanite woman:

[Jesus denied her plea to heal her daughter, saying] “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (Matthew 15:24–6)

If we go back to the Old Testament we won't  find an all-inclusive message there, either. The Israelites were God’s “Chosen People,” and God had some choice words to say about anyone not "his people":


No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of Jehovah, not even in the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).
God also forbids intermarriage with these foreign tribes (Deut. 7:3; Ezra 9:2, 10:10; Nehemiah 13).







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Your an atheist

Who said? I have told you, I believe everything the bible has to say, I also accept that there are undoubtedly contradictions in the text.  I just don't look at the bible or read it like some fawning, cowering, backward medieval peasant who cannot read or think for himself.
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Cont..... from above

1 The Sabbath Day was to remember creation. Ex.20:11; Ex. 31:17.
  1. The Sabbath Day was to remember the sojourn in Egypt. Deut.5:15.
  2. God details sacrificial offerings. Ex.20:24; Ex.29:10-42; Lev.1:1-17; Num.28:1-31.
    God says he did not order sacrifices. Jer.7:22.
  3. The Book of Jasher was written at the time of Joshua. Josh.10:13.
    The Book of Jasher was written at the time of David. 2 Sam.1:17,18.
  4. The Israelites were a numerous and mighty people. Ex.1:8, 9.
    The Israelites were few in number. Deut.7:7.
  5. The Israelites had plenty of water to wash their clothes for purification. Ex.19:10.
    The Israelites had no water and rioted for a drink. Ex.15:22-24.
  6. God was with the people. Ex.3:12.
    God was not with the people. Ex.33:3.
  7. Aaron died on Mt. Hor. Num.20:27, 28; 33:38,39.
    Aaron died at Mosera. Deut.10:6.
  8. After Aaron's death, the people journeyed from Mt. Hor to Zalmonah to Punon etc. Num.33:41, 42.
    After Aaron's death, the people journeyed from Mosera to Gudgodah to Jotbath. Deut.10:6, 7.
  9. The Canaanites were utterly destroyed. Num.21:3.
    The Canaanites were left to trouble the Israelites for years. Jud.3:1,2.
  10. Stones were taken out of the Jordan River. Josh.4:3.
    Stones were placed in the Jordan River. Josh.4:9.
  11. The Nazarite vow is broken if one goes near a dead body. Numb.6:6-9.
    Sampson, a Nazarite, apparently did not break this vow. Jud.13:5; 15:8,15,16; 16:17.
  12. Samuel ministered to the "Lord". 1 Sam.3:1.
    Samuel did not know the "Lord". 1 Sam.3:7.
  13. David killed Goliath. 1 Sam.17:49,50.
    Elhanan killed Goliath. 2 Sam.21:19-21. (Notice that the phrase "the brother of" has been added).
  14. "God" caused David to number the people. 2 Sam.24:1.
    "Satan" caused David to number the people. 1 Chr.21:1.
  15. Saul utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 1 Sam.15:20.
    David utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 1 Sam.27:8, 9.
    David destroyed the Amalekites - again - almost. 1 Sam.30:1,17,18.
  16. God chose Saul to save the people from the Philistines. 1 Sam.9:15-17.
    Saul dies and the Philistines overrun the Israelites. 1 Sam.31:6, 7.
  17. God chose Saul. 1 Sam.9:16.
    God repents for choosing Saul. 1 Sam.15:35.
    God doesn't need to repent. Num. 23:19.
  18. Saul inquired of God but received no answer. 1 Sam.28:6.
    Saul died for not inquiring. 1 Chr.10:13, 14.
  19. Saul killed himself. 1 Sam.31:4; 1 Chr. 10:4, 5.
    Someone killed Saul. 2 Sam.1:5-10.
    The Philistines killed Saul. 2 Sam.21:12.
    God killed Saul. 1 Chr.10:13,14.
  20. Jesse had eight sons. 1 Sam.16:10, 11; 1 Sam.17:12.
    Jesse had seven sons. 1 Chr.2:13-15.
  21. Saul knew David before the encounter with Goliath. 1 Sam.16:19.
    Saul did not know David until after the encounter with Goliath. 1 Sam.17:55-58.
  22. Michal was childless. 2 Sam.6:23.
    Michal had five sons. 2 Sam.21:8.
  23. David sinned in taking the census. 2 Sam.24:10,25.
    David's only sin, ever, was another matter. 1 Ki.15:5.
  24. David paid 50 pieces of silver for the property. 2 Sam.24:24.
    David paid 600 pieces of gold for the property. 1 Chr.21:25.
  25. His name was Solomon. 2 Sam.12:24; 1 Chr.22:9.
    His name was Jedidiah. 2 Sam.12:25.
  26. Solomon had 40,000 stalls of horses. 1 Ki.4:26.
    Solomon had 4,000 stalls of horses. 2 Chr.9:25.
  27. Solomon had 3300 supervisors. 1 Ki.5:16.
    Solomon had 3600 supervisors. 2 Chr.2:2.
  28. Solomon's "molten sea" held 2000 "baths". 1 Ki.7:26.
    Solomon's "molten sea" held 3000 "baths". 2 Chr.4:5.
  29. Solomon had thousands of horses. 1 Ki.4:26.
    A King must not multiply horses to himself. Deut.17:15,16.
  30. Solomon had hundreds of wives. 1 Ki.11:1-3.
    A King must not multiply wives to himself. Deut.17:17.
  31. There was no greater king before or after Hezekiah. 2 Ki.18:1, 5.
    There was no greater king before or after Josiah. 2 Ki.23:24, 25.
  32. Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign. 2 Ki.8:26.
    Ahaziah succeeded his father, who was thirty-two years old when he became king and who ruled for eight years. 2 Chr.21;20.
    He was forty-two years old when he began to reign. 2 Chr.22:2. (Note that some versions have caught the error and corrected it.)
  33. God prohibits the making of idols. Ex.20:4; Deut.5:8, 9.
    God commands idols to be made. Ex.25:18; Num.21:8, 9.
  34. Children are to suffer for their parent's sins. Ex.20:5; Ex.34:7; Num.14:18; Deut.5:9; Is.14:21.
    Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins. Deut.24:16; Ezek.18:19,20.
  35. God prohibits the killing of the innocent. Ex.23:7.
    God approves the killing of the innocent. Num.31:17; Josh.6:21; Josh.7:24-26; Josh.8:22-25; Josh.10:20, 40; Josh.11:15; 1 Sam.15:3.
  36. God inflicts sickness. Num.11:33; 2 Chr.21:14, 15.
    Satan inflicts sickness. Job 2:7.
  37. Death to a false prophet. Deut.18:20.
    Death also to a real prophet deceived by "God". Ezek.14:9.
  38. God remembers sin even when it has been forgiven. Ex.34:7.
    God does not remember sin after it has been forgiven. Jer.31:34.
  39. God promised the land to the people. Ex.12:25.
    God broke his promise. Num.14:30, 31.
  40. Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him. Jud.4:21.
    Sisera was standing and apparently, allowed Jael to kill him. Jud.5:25-27.
  41. Joshua captured Debir. Josh.10:38,39.
    Othniel captured Debir. Jud.1:11-13.
  42. God sows discord. Gen.11:7-9.
    God hates those who cause discord. Prov.6:16-19.
  43. The census count was: Israel 800,000 and Judah 500,000. 2 Sam.24:9.
    The census count was: Israel 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000. 1 Chr.21:5.
  44. The two pillars were 18 cubits high. 1 Ki.7:15.
    The two pillars were 35 cubits high. 2 Chr.3:15.
  45. 420 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir. 1 Ki.9:28.
    450 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir. 2 Chr.8:18.
  46. Asa removed the high places. 2 Chr.14:2, 3.
    Asa did not remove the high places. 1 Ki.15:14.
  47. Baasha died in the 26tth year of King Asa's reign. 1 Ki.16:6-8.
    Baasha built a city in the 36th year of King Asa's reign. 2 Chr.16:1.
  48. Jehoshaphat did not remove the high places. 1 Ki.22:42, 43.
    Jehoshaphat did remove the high places. 2 Chr.17:5, 6.
  49. Jehu's massacre was acceptable to God. 2 Ki.10:30.
    Jehu's massacre was not acceptable to God. Hos.1:4.
  50. Jehu shot Ahaziah near Ibleam. Ahaziah then fled to Meggido and died there. 2 Ki.9:27.
    Ahaziah was found hiding in Samaria, brought to Jehu, and was then put to death. 2 Chr.22:9.
  51. Ahaz was not conquered. 2 Ki.165.
    Ahaz was conquered. 2 Chr.28:5.
  52. Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign. 2 Ki.24:8.
    Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign. 2 Chr.36:9. (Some versions have corrected this)
  53. Jehoiachin reigned 3 months. 2 Ki.24:8.
    Jehoiachin reigned 3 months and 10 days. 2 Chr.36:9.
  54. Jehoiachin was succeeded by his uncle. 2 Ki.24:17.
    Jehoiachin was succeeded by his brother. 2 Chr.36:10.
  55. The father of Zerubbabel was Pedaiah. 1 Chr.3:19.
    The father of Zerubbabel was Shealtiel. Ezr.3:2.
  56. God is near to all who call on him. Ps.145:18.
    God is far away and cannot be found in times of need. Ps.10:1.
  57. God sometimes forsakes his children. Ps.22:1, 2.
    God is always a present help. Ps.46:1.
  58. The righteous shall rejoice when he sees vengeance. Ps.58:10, 11.
    Do not rejoice when your enemy falls or stumbles. Prov.24:17.
  59. God stands to judge. Is.3:13.
    God sits to judge. Joel 3:12.
  60. Zedekiah watched his sons be put to death, then he had his eyes put out, and was left to die in prison. Jer.52:10, 11.
    God promised Zedekiah a peaceful death. Jer.34:4, 5.
  61. Omri reigned 12 years beginning in the 31st year of Asa's reign. 1 Ki.16:23.
    Omri died and his son began his reign in the 38th year of Asa's reign, making Omri's reign only 7-years. 1 Ki.16:28, 29.
 


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83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

You weren't too happy that I searched the net ( it took only 5 seconds) and I posted nearly two hundred New Testament contradictions . So let's have less of your whining and whinging that I have only posted one hundred Old Testament:
 
Man was created equal, male and female. Gen.1:27.
Woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals. Gen.2:18-24.

  1. Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
    Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.
  2. The birds were created out of the water. Gen.1:20.
    The birds were created out of the land. Gen.2:19.
  3. The animals were created before man. Gen.1:24-26.
    The animals were created after man. Gen.2:19.
  4. On the first day, God created and separated light and darkness. Gen.1:3-5.
    On the fourth day, God again created and separated light and darkness. Gen.1:14-18.
  5. God encouraged reproduction. Gen.1:28.
    He said it was an unclean process. Lev.12:1-8 (Note that bearing a daughter is more unclean than bearing a son).
  6. God was pleased with his creation. Gen.1:31.
    God was not pleased with his creation. Gen.6:6.
  7. Adam was to die the day he ate the forbidden fruit. Gen.2:17.
    Adam lived 930 years. Gen.5:5.
  8. The name of "The Lord" was known in the beginning. Gen.4:26; Gen.12:8; Gen.22:14; Gen.26:25.
    The name of "The Lord" was not known in the beginning. Ex.6:3.
  9. God preferred Abel's offering to Cain's. Gen.4:4, 5.
    God shows no partiality. 2 Chr.19:7; 2 Sam.14:14.
  10. God asks Cain the whereabouts of his brother. Gen.4:9.
    God goes to see what is happening. Gen.18:20, 21.
    God is everywhere and sees everything. Prov.15:3; Jer.16:17; Jer.23:24.
  11. It rained on the earth. Gen.7:4.
    There was rain from above and below. Gen.8:2.
  12. Two pairs of each kind were to be taken aboard Noah's ark. Gen.6:19, 20; Gen.7:9, 14-16.
    Two pairs and seven pairs of some kinds were to be taken aboard. Gen.7:2, 3.
  13. Noah entered the ark during the Flood. Gen.7:7.
    Noah entered the ark after the Flood. Gen.7:12, 13.
  14. There were many languages before the tower at Babel. Gen.10:5, 20, 31.
    There was only one language before the tower at Babel. Gen.11:1.
  15. Abraham married his half-sister and was blessed. Gen.11:29; Gen.17:15,16; Gen.20:11,12.
    Incest is wrong. Deut.27:22; Lev. 18:9; Lev. 20:17.
  16. Abraham made a covenant with Abimelech and Phichol. Gen.21:22, 27, 32.
    It was Isaac who made the covenant with Abimelech and Phichol. Gen.26:26-28.
  17. Hebron was the name at the time of Abraham. Gen.23:2.
    Hebron was named differently. Josh.14:15.
  18. Jacob's name was changed at Peniel. Gen.32:28-30.
    Jacob's name was changed at Padanaram. Gen.35:9,10.
  19. Isaac's servants dug a well at Beer-shebah. Gen.26:32, 33.
    Abraham dug a well at Beer-shebah. Gen.21:29-31.
  20. Esau married two Hittite women. Gen.26:34.
    Esau married three Canaanite women. Gen.36:2, 3.
  21. Bashemath was a daughter of Elon the Hittite. Gen.26:34.
    Bashemath was a daughter of Ishmael. Gen.36:3.
  22. Luz was renamed Beth-el. Gen.28:19.
    Luz was a different place than Beth-el. Josh.16:2.
  23. God renamed Jacob and called him Israel. Gen.35:10.
    God forgot the new name. Gen.46:2.
  24. Eliphaz had six sons. Gen.36:11,12.
    Eliphaz had seven sons. Gen.36:15,16. Eliphaz had seven different sons. 1 Chr.1:36.
  25. Dan had one son. Gen.46:23.
    Amazingly, this one son produced over 62,000 military-age males by the first census. Num.1:38,39.
  26. Moses married a Midianite. Ex.3:1.
    Moses married an Ethiopian. Num.12:1.
  27. All the beasts died in plague number six. Ex.9:6.
    All the beasts received boils in plague number seven. Ex.9:10.
    All the beasts were hit with hail and fire in plague number eight. Ex.9:25.
    All the beasts lost their firstborn in plague number ten. Ex.12:29.
  28. All the plant life was destroyed by hail. Ex.9:25.
    All the plant life was destroyed by locusts. Ex.10:15.
  29. God instructs the Israelites to spoil the Egyptians and plunder their enemies. Ex.3:22; Deut.20:13-17.
    God prohibits stealing or defrauding a neighbor. Lev.19:11,13.
  30. Moses' father-in-law proposed the idea of judges for the people. Ex.18:17, 24.
    Moses proposed the idea of judges for the people. Deut.1:9-18.
  31. Jethro was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Ex.3:1.
    Ruel was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Ex.2:18.
    Raguel was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Num.10:29.
    Hobab was the name of Moses' father-in-law. Jud.4:11.
  32. The priests were with Moses at Mount Sinai. Ex.19:22, 24.
    Moses appointed the first priests later in the wilderness. Ex.28:1.
  33. Moses was great. Ex.11:3.
    Moses was meek. Numbers 12:3.
  34. Moses was the only allowed near God. Ex.24:2.
    Moses was not the only one allowed. Ex.24:9-11.
  35. Moses condemned the making of an idol. Ex.32:19, 20.
    Moses made an idol. Num.21:9; 2 Ki.18:4.
  36. The commandments were memorably given at the beginning of the wilderness trek. Ex. 19 and 20.
    The people appeared not to remember later in the wilderness. Lev.24:12; Num.15:34.
  37. Moses told the people they would pass over the Jordan that day. Deut.9:1.
    It was Joshua who took them over much later. Josh.1:1, 2.
  38. The number of Israelites, excluding children, was 600,000. Ex.12:37.
    The number of Israelites, including children, was only 7000. 1 Ki.20:15.
  39. Manna tasted like coriander seed and honey. Ex.16:31.
    Manna tasted like fresh oil. Num.11:8.
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Again, I don't see his list as contradictions. 

 Of course you don't. This saves you from  having to explain away these very obvious contractions. Like I have said. Atheist were challenged to post biblical contradictions here and now you complain that far too many have been posted.
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Really?

Yes, REALY!!!!!. Why do you have to ask after I have already said that I agree with you? Do you not think it is? That is like me asking you is the bible true although you have stated that it is.
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I agree with you. 
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I would have and was, going to  given this pointless thread a wide berth until you posted this goading statement challenging atheist to post here with biblical contradictions, implying atheists were unable to find any  because according to you; the faithful, there aren't any.



83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?


You got what you asked for , regardless of the source, and now your crying because there are far too many for you to handle.  And those lists of nearly 200 contradictions that  I have  posted were from the New Testament alone,   I couldn't be bothered to "mine" the net for Old Testament contradictions. 

Now is all you have to do is start explaining away these very clear contradictions. It is not for me to do so. Now. off you go and take as long as you like.

 
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Sure you do. But there is a reason you people always mass dump this old tired logicless dross. You don't want to support any of them, you just want all accepted as contradictions without any critical thought of any.

If to you then they are not contradictions, then simply start by telling us why they are not contradictions, instead of attempting to passing these very clear contradictions off as " dross". You do yourself or your beliefs or your faith no justice or favours by simply trying to play down and wave away what are clear & obvious contradictions for anyone to see for themselves.



You don't want to support any of them,

Support them as what!!!? I don't have to. I have pointed them out. They are clear biblical contradictions. It is down to you, the believer and the faithful to explain away these contradictions. NOT ME!!!

I've seen you argue many of them right here on Dart and lose, 

 Well let us all see me lose again, instead of you resorting to outright telling lies about me. . Why don't you try just clearing up a few of these NT biblical contradictions. Tell me why for instance, Paul states that he does not lie. Rom.9:1; 2 Cor.11:31; Gal.1:20; 1 Tim.2:7. but then
Paul states that he does lie. Rom.3:7.? 

 What about you explaining to us how it is that Jesus can say on the one hand :  if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14. YETon the other Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31.
And please,  take your time.

You've dropped 200 allegations, not a single contradiction.

 Stop telling lies. The contradictions are there above, as clear as day for anyone; including a extremely poor reader to see. Now is all you have to do, is simply explain to us all why they are not contradictions , according to you?

One contradiction would do, the fact that you had to post a wall of text is telling.

It is very telling isn't it? It is telling that there are contradictions in the bible that YOU cannot explain away.



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  1. During his first resurrection appearance, Jesus gave his disciples the holy spirit. Jn.20:22.
    The holy spirit was given to the disciples after his ascension. Acts 1:3-8.
  2. The world could not contain all that could be written of Jesus. Jn.21:25.
    All was written. Acts.1:1.
  3. Obey the laws of men for it is the will of God. 1 Pet.2:13-15.
    The disciples disobey the council. Acts 5:40-42.
  4. Obey God, not men. Acts 5:29.
    Obey men. It is God’s will. Rom.13:1-4; 1 Pet.2:13-15.
  5. God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before they were born. Rom.9:10-13.
    God shows no partiality and treats all alike. Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11.
  6. All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law. Rom.2:12.
    Where there is no law there is no sin or transgression. Rom.4:15.
  7. Doers of the law will be justified. Rom.2:13.
    Doers of the law will not be justified. Rom.3:20; Gal.3:11.
  8. The law has dominion. Rom.7:1.
    The law does not have dominion. Rom.6:14.
  9. The law was the result of sin. Gal.3:19.
    Sin is the result of breaking the law. 1 Jn.3:4.
  10. Those of “God” cannot sin. 1 Jn.3:9.
    Those of “God” can sin. 1 Jn.1:7 8.
  11. The anointing of Jesus teaches right from wrong. 1 Jn.2:27.
    The law written on the heart and conscience teaches right from wrong. Rom.2:15.
  12. Abraham was justified by faith. Heb.11:8.
    Abraham was justified by works. Jms.2:21.
    Abraham was not justified by works. Rom.4:2.
  13. It is not good to eat or drink anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended. Rom.14:21.
    Let no one pass judgment on you in matters of food or drink. Col.2:16.
  14. It is better that widows should not remarry. 1 Cor.7:8.
    It is better that young widows should remarry. 1 Tim.5:11-14.
  15. The god of this world blinds people to the gospel. 2 Cor.4:4.
    There is only one god. 1 Cor.8:4.
  16. The powers of this world are wicked, so fight against them. Eph.6:11-13.
    All powers are ordained of God and, if you resist, you are damned. Rom.13:1,2.
  17. Bear one another’s burdens. Gal.6:2.
    Bear your own burdens. Gal.6:5.
  18. Anyone who even greets a non-believer shares his wicked work. 2 Jn.10,11.
    Always be ready to answer any man concerning your faith. 1 Pet.3:15.
  19. All of the grass on the earth is burned up. Rev.8:7.
    The army of locusts are instructed not to harm the grass. Rev.9:4.
  20. Only “The Father” knows. Mk.13:32.
    “Jesus” and “The Father” are one. Jn.10:30; 17:11,21,22.
  21. Jesus said that he would judge. Jn.5:22,27-30; Jn.9:39.
    Jesus said that he would not judge. Jn.8:15; Jn.12:47.
    Jesus said that The Father judges. Jn.12:48,49.
    Jesus said that The Father does not judge. Jn.5:22.
    Jesus said that his disciples would judge. Lk.22:30.
  22. He that does not believe is damned. Mk.16:16.
    Thomas did not believe and was not damned. Jn.20:27-29.
  23. “When his branch is yet tender”. Mt.24:32.
    “When her branch is yet tender”. Mk.13:28.
  24. Jesus is God. Jn.10:30.
    Jesus is the “image” of God. 2 Cor.4:4.
    Jesus was a man approved by God. Acts 2:22.
  25. Jesus and God are one in the same. Jn.1:1.
    Jesus is beside himself. Mk.16:19; Acts 2:32,33; 7:55; Rom.8:34; etc.
  26. Jesus is the Son of God. Jn.6:69; Jn.20:31.
    Jesus is the Son of Man. Mt.18:11; Lk.21:27.
  27. Paul states that he does not lie. Rom.9:1; 2 Cor.11:31; Gal.1:20; 1 Tim.2:7.
    Paul states that he does lie. Rom.3:7.
  28. Paul said that he does not use trickery. 1 Thes.2:3.
    Paul admits to using trickery. 2 Cor.12:16.
  29. Paul says that circumcision is nothing. 1 Cor.7:19.
    Paul says that circumcision is profitable. Rom.2:25; Rom.3:1,2.
  30. Do not covet. Rom.7:7; Rom.13:9.
    Paul says covet. 1 Cor.12:31; 1 Cor.14:39.
  31. Paul teaches not to steal. Eph.4:28.
    Paul admits to stealing. 2 Cor.11:8.
  32. Paul was assured that he would not be hurt. Acts 18:9,10.
    Paul was often physically abused. 2 Cor.11:23-27.
  33. Paul states that the law is necessary. Rom.3:31.
    Paul states that the law is not necessary. Rom.6:14.
  34. Jesus said to go and baptize. Mt.28:19.
    Paul said he was not sent to baptize. 1 Cor.1:17.
  35. Paul said he was not sent to baptize but to preach. 1 Cor.1:17.
    Paul baptized. 1 Cor.1:16.
  36. Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law. Mt.5:17-19.
    Paul said otherwise. Eph.2:15.
  37. Jesus said that God did not condemn the world. Jn. 3:17.
    Paul said that God did condemn the world. Rom.5:18.
  38. Those present at Paul’s conversion stood. Acts 9:7.
    They fell to the ground. Acts 26:14.
  39. Those present at Paul’s conversion heard a voice but saw nothing. Acts 9:7.
    Those present at Paul’s conversion saw a light but heard nothing. Acts 22:9.
  40. Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus where he spent some time with the apostles. Acts 9:19.
    Paul went to Damascus three years later and saw only Peter and James. Gal.1:18,19.
  41. Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus and then to Jerusalem. Acts 9:18-26.
    Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Arabia, then to Damascus, and then, 3 years later, to Jerusalem. Gal.1:17,18.
  42. In Damascus, the governor attempts to seize Paul. 2 Cor.11:32.
    In Damascus, the Jews attempt to seize Paul. Acts 9:22,23.
  43. The holy spirit forbids preaching in Asia. Acts 16:6.
    Paul preaches in Asia anyway. Acts 19:8-10.
  44. Paul said he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men. Gal.1:10.
    Paul said that he tried to please men. 1 Cor.10:33.
  45. Paul says that he was the chief of all sinners. 1 Tim.1:15.
    He who commits sin is of the devil. Children of God cannot sin. 1 Jn.3:8-10.
  46. Paul said that Jesus is the judge. 2 Tim.4:1.
    Paul said that God is the judge. Heb.12:23.
    Paul said that the saints would judge. 1 Cor.6:2.
  47. Paul said that Jesus was the Son of God. Rom.1:3,4.
    Paul said that Jesus was just a man. Heb.7:24.
  48. Do not boast. Lk.18:14.
    Do not be proud. Rom.11:20; 1 Pet. 5:5.
    Paul proudly boasts. 2 Cor.11:16-18; Gal.2:9-11.
  49. Jesus commends the church at Ephesus for discerning the lying apostles. Rev. 2:1,2.
  50. Paul was the apostle to Ephesus. Eph.1:1.

83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

   I make that almost 200 and still counting.


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  1. The women entered the tomb. Mk.16:5; Lk.24:3.
    The women stayed outside the tomb. Jn.20:11.
  2. The disciples were frightened when they saw Jesus. Lk.24:36,37.
    The disciples were glad when they first saw Jesus. Jn.20:20.
  3. Twelve disciples saw Jesus. 1 Cor.15:5.
    Eleven disciples saw Jesus. Thomas was not there. Mt.28:16,17; Jn.20:19-25.
  4. The disciples doubted that Jesus had risen from the dead. Mt.28:17.
    The Pharisees and chief priests believed it possible. Mt.27:62-66.
  5. Jesus ascended on the third day after the resurrection. Lk.24:21,50,51.
    Jesus ascended the same day as the crucifixion. Lk.23:42 43.
    Jesus ascended forty days after the resurrection. Acts 1:3,9.
  6. At the time of the ascension, there were about 120 brethren. Acts 1:15.
    At the time of the ascension, there were about 500 brethren. 1 Cor.15:6.
  7. The moneychangers incident occurred at the end of Jesus’ career. Mt.21:11,12.
    The moneychangers incident occurred at the beginning of Jesus’ career. Jn.2:11-15.
  8. Zacharias was the son of Jehoida, the priest. 2 Chr.24:20.
    Jesus said that Zacharias was the son of Barachias. Mt.23:35. (Note: The name Barachias or Barachiah does not appear in the OT.)
  9. The coming of the kingdom will be accompanied by signs and miracles. Mt.24:29-33; Mk.13:24-29.
    It will not be accompanied by signs and miracles since it occurs from within. Lk.17:20,21.
  10. The kingdom was prepared from the beginning. Mt.25:34.
    Jesus said that he was going to go and prepare the kingdom. Jn.14:2,3.
  11. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. Mk.3:29.
    All sins are forgivable. Acts 13:39; Col.2:13; 1 Jn.1:9.
  12. The ascension took place while the disciples were seated together at a table. Mk.16:14-19.
    The ascension took place outdoors at Bethany. Lk.24:50,51.
    The ascension took place outdoors at Mt. Olivet. Acts 1:9-12.
  13. The holy spirit was with John from before he was born. Lk.1:15,41.
    The holy spirit was with Elizabeth before John’s birth. Lk.1:41.
    The holy spirit was with Zechariah. Lk.1:67.
    The holy spirit was with Simeon. Lk.2:25.
    The holy spirit is obtained by asking. Lk.11:13.
    The holy spirit did not come into the world until after Jesus had departed. Jn.7:39; Jn.16:7; Acts 1:3-8.
  14. Sometimes God is responsible for unbelief. 2 Thes.2:11,12.
    Sometimes Jesus is responsible for unbelief. Mk.4:11,12.
    The devil causes unbelief. Lk.8:12.
  15. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer. 1 Jn.3:15.
    If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar. 1 Jn.4:20.
    No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his brother. Lk.14:26.
  16. Believers do not come into judgment. Jn.5:24.
    All people come into judgment. Mt.12:36; 2 Cor.5:10; Heb.9:27; 1 Pet.1:17; Jude 14,15; Rev.20:12,13.
  17. Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14.
    Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31.
  18. Men can choose whether or not to believe. Jn.5:38-47.
    Only God chooses who will believe. Jn.6:44.
  19. None of Jesus’ followers would be lost. Jn.10:27-29.
    Some of Jesus’ followers would be lost. 1 Tim.4:1.
  20. Jesus is the ruling prince of this world. Rev.1:5.
    The prince of this world will be cast out. Jn.12:31.
  21. Jesus says all men will be saved. Jn.3:17.
    Only 144,000 virgin men will be saved. Rev. 14:1-4.
  22. God wants all men to be saved. 1 Tim.2:3,4; 2 Pet.3:9.
    God does not want all men to be saved. Jn.12:40.
  23. Peter asks Jesus where he is going. Jn.13:36.
    Thomas asks Jesus where he is going. Jn.14:5.
    Jesus said that no one asked where he was going. Jn.16:5.
  24. Jesus lost only one disciple. Jn.17:12.
    Jesus lost no disciples. Jn.18:9.
  25. Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth. Jn.18:37.
    The truth has always been evident. Rom.1:18-20.

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    God leads you into temptation. Mt.6:13.
  1. God tempts no one. Jms.1:13.
  2. Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you. Mt.6:25-34; Lk.12:22-31.
    A man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel. 1 Tim.5:8.
  3. Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13.
    Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Mt.7:21.
    Only those whom the Lord chooses will be saved. Acts 2:39.
  4. We are justified by works and not by faith. Mt.7:21; Rom.2:6,13; Jms.2:24.
    We are justified by faith and not by works. Jn.3:16; Rom.3:27; Eph.2:8,9.; Gal.2:16.
  5. Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves. Mt.10:10.
    Take only sandals (shoes) and staves. Mk.6:8,9.
  6. Jesus said that in him there was peace. Jn.16:33.
    Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace. Mt.10:34; Lk.12:51.
  7. Jesus said that John the Baptist was a prophet and Elijah. Mt.11:9; Mt.17:12,13.
    John said that he was not a prophet nor was he Elijah. Jn.1:21.
  8. Jesus said that he was meek and lowly. Mt.11:29.
    Jesus makes whips and drives the moneychangers out from the temple. Mt. 21:12; Mk.11:15,16; Jn.2:15.
  9. Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees". Lk.12:1.
    Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees". Mt.16:6,11.
    Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod". Mk.8:15.
  10. Jesus founds his church on Peter. Mt.16:18.
    Jesus calls Peter "Satan" and a hindrance. Mt.16:23.
  11. The mother of James and John asks Jesus to favor her sons. Mt.20:20,21.
    They ask for themselves. Mk.10:35-37.
  12. Jesus responds that this favor is not his to give. Mt.20:23; Mk.10:40.
    Jesus said that all authority is given to him. Mt.28:18; Jn.3:35.
  13. Jesus heals two unnamed blind men. Mt.20:29,30.
    Jesus heals one named blind man. Mk.10:46-52.
  14. Jesus healed all that were sick. Mt.8:16; Lk.4:40.
    Jesus healed many that were sick - but not all. Mk.1:34.
  15. The council asks Jesus if he is the Son of God. Lk.22:70. The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Christ, the Son of God. Mt.26:63.
    The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Christ the Son of the Blessed. Mk.14:61.
    The high priest asks Jesus about his disciples and his doctrine. Jn.18:19.
  16. Jesus answers to the effect of “You said it, not me”. Mt.26:64; Lk.22:70.
    Jesus answers definitely, “I am”. Mk.14:62.
  17. At the Mount of Olives, Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times. Mt.26:30-34.
    At the Passover meal, Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times. Lu.22:13,14,34.
  18. Peter was to deny Jesus before the cock crowed. Mt.26:34; Lk.22:34; Jn.13:38.
    Peter was to deny Jesus before the cock crowed twice. Mk.14:30.
  19. The cock crowed once. Mt.26:74.
    The cock crowed twice. Mk.14:72.
  20. Peter makes his first denial to a maid and some others. Mt.26:69,70.
    It was only to the maid. Mk.14:66-68; Lk.22:56,57; Jn.18:17.
  21. Peter’s second denial was to another maid. Mt.26:71,72.
    It was to the same maid. Mk.14:69,70.
    It was to a man and not a maid. Lk.22:58.
    It was to more than one person. Jn.18:25.
  22. Peter’s third denial was to several bystanders. Mt.26:73,74; Mk.14:69,70.
    It was to one person. Lk.22:59,60.
    It was to a servant. Jn.18:26,27.
  23. The chief priests bought the field. Mt.27:6,7.
    Judas bought the field. Acts 1:16-19.
  24. Judas threw down the money and left. Mt.27:5.
    Judas used the coins to buy the field. Acts 1:18.
  25. Judas hanged himself. Mt.27:5.
    Judas fell headlong and burst his head open. Acts 1:18.
  26. Jesus did not answer any of the charges. Mt.27:12-14; Lk.23:9.
    Jesus answered some of the charges. Mk.14:61,62.
    Jesus answered all of the charges. Jn.18:33-37.
  27. Jesus said that eternal life would be given to all that were given to him. Jn.11:27-29; Jn.17:12.
    Jesus released Judas in order to keep this promise. Jn.18:5-9.
  28. The chief priests and elders persuade the people. Mt.27:20.
    Only the chief priests persuade the people. Mk.15:11.
    The chief priests and the people persuade themselves. Lk.23:13-23.
  29. Jesus is given a scarlet robe. Mt.27:28.
    Jesus is given a purple robe. Mk.15:17; Jn.19:2.
    Jesus is given a gorgeous robe. Lk.23:11.
  30. The sign says, “This is Jesus the King of the Jews”. Mt.27:37.
    The sign says, “The King of the Jews”. Mk.15:26.
    In three languages, the sign says, “This is the King of the Jews”. Lk.23:38.
    In the same three languages, the sign says, “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews”. Jn.19:19,20.
  31. Jesus asks God, The Father, why he has forsaken him. Mt.27:46.
    Jesus said that he and The Father were one in the same. Jn.10:30; Jn.17:11,21,22.
  32. The centurion says, “Truly this was the son of God”. Mt.27:54.
    The centurion says, “Truly this man was the son of God”. Mk.15:39.
    The centurion says, “Certainly, this was a righteous man”. Lk.23:47.
    There was no centurion. Jn.19:31-37.
  33. Jesus was crucified at the third hour. Mk.15:25.
    Jesus was still before Pilate at the sixth hour. Jn.19:13,14.
  34. The women looked on from “afar”. Mt.27:55; Mk.15:40; Lk.23:49.
    The women were very close. Jn.19:25.
  35. The last recorded words of Jesus were:
    Version 1: “Eli, Eli …My God, My God why have you forsaken me” Mt.27:46.
    Version 2: “Eloi, Eloi…My God, My God why have you forsaken me” Mk.15:34.
    Version 3: “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit”. Lk.23:46.
    Version 4: “It is finished”. Jn.19:30.
  36. A guard was placed at the tomb the day after the burial. Mt.27:65,66.
    No guard is mentioned. Mk.15:44-47; Lk.23:52-56; Jn.19:38-42.
  37. Only those keeping the words of Jesus will never see death. Jn.8:51.
    Jesus’ disciples will be killed. Mt.24:3-9.
    All men die once. Heb.9:27.
  38. Upon their arrival, the stone was still in place. Mt.28:1 2.
    Upon their arrival, the stone had been removed. Mk.16:4; Lk.24:2; Jn.20:1.
  39. There was an earthquake. Mt.28:2.
    There was no earthquake. Mk.16:5; Lk.24:2-4; Jn.20:12.
  40. The visitors ran to tell the disciples. Mt.28:8.
    The visitors told the eleven and all the rest. Lk.24:9.
    The visitors said nothing to anyone. Mk.16:8.
  41. Jesus first resurrection appearance was right at the tomb. Jn.20:12-14.
    Jesus first resurrection appearance was fairly near the tomb. Mt.28:8,9.
    Jesus first resurrection appearance was on the road to Emmaus. Lk.24:13-16.
  42. One doubted. Jn.20:24.
    Some doubted. Mt.28:17.
    All doubted. Mk.16:11; Lk.24:11,14.
  43. Jesus said that his blood was shed for many. Mk.14:24.
    Jesus said his blood was shed for his disciples. Lu.22:20.
  44. Simon of Cyrene was forced to bear the cross of Jesus. Mt.27:32; Mk.15:21; Lu.23:26.
    Jesus bore his own cross. Jn.19:16,17.
  45. Jesus was offered vinegar and gall to drink. Mt.27:34.
    Jesus was offered vinegar to drink. Jn.19:29,30.
    Jesus was offered wine and myrrh to drink. Mk.15:23.
  46. Jesus refused the drink offered him. Mk.15:23.
    Jesus tasted the drink offered and then refused. Mt.27:34.
    Jesus accepted the drink offered him. Jn.19:30.
  47. Both “thieves” mocked Jesus on the cross. Mt. 27:44; Mk.15:32.
    One “thief” sided with Jesus on the cross. Lu.23:39-41.
  48. Joseph of Arimathaea boldly asked for the body of Jesus. Mk.15:43.
    Joseph of Arimathaea secretly asked for the body of Jesus. Jn.19:38.
  49. Jesus was laid in a nearby tomb. Mk.15:46; Lu.23:53; Jn.19:41.
    Jesus was laid in Joseph’s new tomb. Mt.27:59,60.
  50. A great stone was rolled in front of the tomb. Mt.27:60; Mk.15:46.
    There was nothing in front of the tomb. Lu.23:55; Jn.19:41.
  51. Nicodemus prepared the body with spices. Jn.19:39,40.
    Failing to notice this, the women bought spices to prepare the body later. Mk. 16:1; Lu.23:55,56.
  52. The body was anointed. Jn.19:39,40.
    The body was not anointed. Mk.15:46 to 16:1; Lk.23:55 to 24:1.
  53. The women bought materials before the sabbath. Lu.23:56.
    The women bought materials after the sabbath. Mk.16:1.
  54. Jesus was first seen by Cephas, then the twelve. 1 Cor.15:5.
    Jesus was first seen by the two Marys. Mt.28:1,8,9.
    Jesus was first seen by Mary Magdalene. Mk.16:9; Jn.20:1,14,15.
    Jesus was first seen by Cleopas and others. Lu.24:17,18.
    Jesus was first seen by the disciples. Acts 10:40,41.
  55. The two Marys went to the tomb. Mt.28:1.
    The two Marys and Salome went to the tomb. Mk.16:1.
    Several women went to the tomb. Lu.24:10.
    Only Mary Magdalene went to the tomb. Jn.20:1.
  56. It was dawn when Mary went to the tomb. Mt.28:1; Mk.16:2.
    It was dark when Mary went to the tomb. Jn.20:1.
  57. An angel sat on the stone at the door of the tomb. Mt.28:2.
    A man was sitting inside the tomb. Mk.16:5.
  58. Two men were standing inside the tomb. Lk.24:3,4.
    Two angels were sitting inside the tomb. Jn.20:12.
  59. Peter did not go into the tomb but stooped and looked inside. Lk.24:12.
    Peter did go into the tomb, and another disciple stooped and looked inside. Jn.20:3-6.
  60. After the resurrection, the disciples held Jesus by the feet. Mt.28:9.
    After the resurrection, Jesus told Thomas to touch his side. John 20:27.
    After the resurrection, Jesus said that he was not to be touched. Jn.20:17.
  61. Mary first saw Jesus at the tomb. Jn.20:11-15.Mary first saw Jesus on her way home. Mt.28:8-10.
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