Stephen

 I don't think you have a good enough excuse.

--> @Greyparrot  Countless cultures and civilizations were lost due to open/weak borders. Open borders only favors the stronger and more aggressive cultures.

--> @TheRealNihilist  What is so good about a culture or civilization if it can't survive against other more survivable cultures? 

I think we should get rid of nukes gradually and force other countries to do the same.

I'd want the UN to implement a tax on nukes that every country must pay annually.  It would start off at $1 billion/nuke and as countries got rid of their nukes, the tax would increase until no country has them anymore.  To avoid the tax, most nukes would get destroyed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTolzXCcsuM

Poor Barron.

whenever the officers mentioned the people they were pursuing they referred to them as "BODIES". 

It also says kill anyone who doesn't believe in Allah and his prophet Muhammad untill all religion is for Allah, don't forget that part, will you.

no it doesn't. please stop lying. 

lol you really know very little about islam do you? Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god.

Islam teaches that muslims should defend themselves. 

So when a muslim cleric writes something that is evidence of what islam is. When a catholic cleric writes something that doesn't count, because.... reasons. lol. this is just sad. 

No. And I haven't said so. Stop attempting to put words into my mouth . The New Testament  does not teach violence; how many fkn times. The Quran makes it perfectly clear what it expects of its followers.

But your point is still stupid.

Christians have carried out just as much, if not more, violence in the name of god as Islam.

But you want Islam to be evil but Chistianity is blameless. How can you be this hypocritical and not see it?

 I have asked you twice already so for the third time,,  are you now saying that the Hadith are not the words and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad?

No, not really. I mean they were written generations after his death, how could they possibly be accurate?

But the pope is supposed to be infallible and speak with the voice of god.

Who said, YOU!? The pope is only a man in a fancy fkn dress just like a Ayatollah  FFS grow up.

The catholic church says that. And since catholics make up the majority of chrisitans in the world, that is the main position. If you are a christian and deny that, then you are in the minority. 

The Pope recently called for peace in the middle east. He didn't call for FKN jihad.

But he did. In 1097. But he did. In 1097. The pope called for the 1st Jihad, they just called it a crusade.

This is what I mean by you not being able to grasp what it is that is being said. Even if 99% of Muslims are peaceful it still leaves over TEN  MILLION that are not and the peaceful 99% are irrelevant. HOW MANY FKN TIMES do you need this simple logic explained to you.  

I never claimed there weren't violent muslims. But 1% cannot be said to be representative of the group..........1% is a tiny minority.

Were in the New Testament can we read of the Christ Jesus instructing his followers to go out into the world and kill in his name anyone who does not believe in him or is not Christian?

There are lots of christian teachings that aren't in the bible. You are happy to use the teachings outside the quran, but for some reason chrisitianity needs to be judged differently. That is what most people call hypocrisy. 

Are you telling us that the Hadith (the saying of the prophet Muhammad) are not true, not his sayings, and are nothing to do with Islam?

no. But if you want to include the Hadith, then I am going to include what other catholic clerics teach too since you want to include extra stuff.

What were Muslims "defending" when they invaded West into Germany, Spain, France, the Caucuses, the Christian Holy land and East into the Indian subcontinent and far east as China? 

I never claiming muslims didn't conquer places.

Why can't Islam reform?

Reform comes when you are economically prosperous.

What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?

In Christianity it is death by fire. Are you really going to argue that Islam is worse?

 

 the Koran says to defend yourselves.

And to muslims, both  christians and jews also believe in Allah. It just means god. 

Oh, so when an "infallible" religious official orders Christians to kill Muslims, that isn't Christianity teaching violence?

Lol so it is fine for a Christian to kill for god as long as it isn't written in a book. 

The Hadith were written generations after the prophet mohommad's death.

But the pope is supposed to be infallible and speak with the voice of god.

When he calls for the murder of other religions, that is supposed to be the word of god.

You claim to understand that 99% of muslims are peaceful, but still want to paint islam as a violent religion. 

This is a gross misunderstanding. Islam is not a "war religion" 

The number of british muslims is 3,372,966 (estimate for 2017). if 35,000 of them are islamist fanatics, that is about 1% of muslims. I'd say 1% is a small number. 

If the Hadith are part of Islam, then the terrible, terrible things that Catholic clerics have taught are fair game too. And they have said and done some terrible, terrible shit.

I don't agree . Let me see you evidence for this engagement and suppressing of Iraq.  but I suggest you do a little homework first "HistoryBuff".

what? do you not watch the news at all. America and the UK invaded Iraq for made up reasons.

They toppled the regime and removed all central power.

They continue to occupy the country as well. 

You criticize muslims for conquest, but won't acknowledge christians did alot of that too.

You criticize muslims for writings that aren't in the Quran

but won't acknowledge that alot of christian clerics called for the death or enslaving of others too.

You point to stats that say like 1% of muslims might be "radical" but insist that it isn't a small minority. 

I never moved the goal posts...... You are now crying about it.

 It was primarily Saudi citizens that funded and carried out that attack,

The 1st sentence is "until there is no persecution". So until other religions stop persecuting Muslims. That is defensive. 

So when the pope's called for crusades against the infidels you think that was just for fun?

Then Quran preaches violence  AND intolerance towards the non believer - Christianity and the Christ does not. 

The Quran primarily teaches muslims to defend themselves.

It was written at a time when they were being attacked from all sides. 

Christianity also taught people to commit acts of violence.

I mean various popes have called for crusades, the sanctioned slavery etc.

That it is easy to take the high road when you aren't writing about reality.

When you are giving practical instructions about how to live in the real world, and especially when that world is that you are under attack on all sides, it is much harder to only preach about peace and love.

 A different tone !???  It is COMPLETELY the opposite to what Christianity teaches. And the many adherents to Islam still read it as if it was written yesterday.

No, it is more or less the same religion.

you can read the well respected research of Pew Research, for yourself. but it is becoming more than obvious, you simply can not face the facts.

You did not provide any link to it.  

I know it is not ALL Muslims who are committing the violence preached and promoted by the Quran. But I also know that it is more that a fkn "handful" of Muslims.

It's a tiny fraction of the 2 billion muslims in the world. So yes, it is a handful when you take the total size of the population into account. 

Not all Germans were Nazis; the majority were peaceful , but it didn't stop the MINORITY causing the deaths of over 60 million men

This is kind of my point. You are saying islam is evil because a small fraction of them do evil things.

Engaging and suppressing!??? Where are they doing that. 

Iraq

You say this as if America and Britain had just marched into these countries unprovoked.

They did. They invaded afganistan rather than negotiate with the afgan government.

There were many MUSLIM empires and CENTURIES before a British Empire or a United States of America were even thought of. I thought you were supposed to be an "HistoryBuff"?

Man, you move goal posts REALLY fast. You said the muslim empire was the largest known.

I pointed out 4 larger empires and your response is "yeah but they were later". that is just sad.

The only peaceful Muslims are the ones that do not practice the religion's doctrine from the Koran.

If only there was a way to tell the fake Muslims from the real ones. Alas.

as they ship more and more of these primitive morons into the country, 

You aren't even pretending to hide your blatant racism today.

Watch what the liberals will do. They will make a ridiculous excuse for Khan, find some other loon to champion, and go right on being as stupid as ever. And innocents will keep dying as they ship more and more of these primitive morons into the country, and call conservatives who oppose them, massive hypocrites.

Just watch.

Ok. so christians are murdering muslims for their money and oil, muslims are killing christians to defend themselves, their people, and their religion. And you think Islam is the problem? You have messed up priorities

Quran 8:39And fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.

A couple of things,

1) there are different translations of this. Fitnah is often translation as persecution. So this quote is telling them to fight the other religions that were persecuting muslims. IE defend yourselves. 

2) Do you think that chrisianity doesn't tell christians to convert the infidels?

Pretending like this kind of message is somehow bad for muslims but fine for christians is incredibly biased. 

The new testament isn't based on reality. There is nothing in there that has anything to do with the real world. it is about morality tales.

The quran was written as messages for people about the real world.

It was written in a period when they were fighting on multiple fronts against pretty much everyone else. So yeah, it is going to have a different tone.

But you are. you have said you won't watch the clip because of who is presenting the facts while ignoring the origin of the facts.

Who is presenting them is critically important because they can use them in ways that weren't intended or out of context to prop up idiotic arguments. If the the person using the fact cannot be trusted, then you shouldn't give them the time of day. That man is a waste of time,

Yes, well. I have already covered the "tiny minorty" theory, above and you have chosen to ignore it.

lol a handful of muslims engage in terrorism and you think you can paint almost 2 billion people as violent. You are delusional if you think you have rationally explained this. 

The british government, and it's soldiers, are engaged in suppressing and attacking muslims.

The terrorists were fighting back against that in one of the few ways available to them.

You are pointing to the actions of a small number of muslims and trying to paint the entire religion as violent.

The british empire.......

A quick read tells me they conquered it from the persians. The locals then continued to rebel against the muslims and that was why the sword was used, to stop rebellions, not to forcibly convert them.

so when pope's called for the enslaving or murder of non Christians,

you think that is evidence that Christianity is evil as well right?

because otherwise you are a massive hypocrite. 

 it doesn't tell you what reason the designer had for designing you,

He is responsible for the deaths of those 2 kids. I denounced him for that.

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Yes but where is your evidence that they are being bombed in the name of  the Christ and Christianity? 

Basically, muslims are under attack from "christian" countries so they act to try to defend themselves.

They frame that defense as fighting for their religion rather than for their state. 

So Christians murder muslims for money and oil. Some of the muslims murder christians and claim it is for their religion.

Neither religion is inherently violent.

But people from both religions certainly are. 

But you are then ignoring facts issued by the well respected and accepted research organisation Pew Research regardless of who is quoting Pew Research  facts.

I'm not ignoring facts by Pew Research.

One of the thing that Christians usually don't understand about the Koran is that it is much more based in the real world than the bible is.

The bible is all morality stories with little to no connection to the real world mostly written decades or even a centuries after the supposed events happened by people who weren't there.

The Koran was written about the real world. 

You see the evidence for Muslims killing ANYONE for not believing in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet is abundant. the Muslims who carry out these vile attacks in the name of Islam make it quite clear that they are doing it "for Allah"

This is just bigotry.

That vast, vast majority of muslims do not kill "anyone" for not being muslim.

Terrorists do claim that their killings are for god, but that is how they frame their defense against attacks by christian countries, such as america. 

YOU, like all apologist desperately try to contextualise  21st Christianity by comparing it to 7th century Islam that hasn't and cannot change, alter, reform or update its beliefs and its teachings

This is just dumb.         

i mean, there are at least 1.8 billion muslims in the world. The vast majority of them are not violent and don't believe their religion is violent either. You are taking the teachings of a small minority and blaming almost 2 billion people for them. 

Yes I think the threat of death by the sword is pretty coercive. 

As I said, this was not the norm in muslim countries. It was the norm in Christian countries though. 

It also  actually explains to their martyrs ( those that die killing infidels for Allah) that they will have seventy billion virgin women to abuse.

Your ignorance is showing. The koran doesn't say that. It is from a Hadith, which is not a part of the koran.

It would be like quoting something a bishop said and claiming it is in the bible.

I'm guessing you don't know very much history.

Islam has usually been much more tolerant of religious minorities than Christianity. 

They used less coercive measures to encourage conversion.

Christians would usually forcibly convert, mass murder, or expel religious minorities. 

Muslim people are regularly being bombed by the US. Mostly civilians.

From their perspective, they are muslims being bombed by christians.

lol anyone who uses ben shapiro as a source is unlikely to be reasoned with. I am not going to watch his videos. He is a far right wing nut job.

Hey Stephen, your pants are on fire.

What Christian killings are you referring to?

Well there are the pretty regular bombings carried out by the US government. 

But trying to paint an entire religion as evil when it is a tiny fraction of them that engage in these attacks is extremely counter productive. 

Where did Elijah go ?

and how do you know?

"Islam is a religion of peace. it says Verse 5:32 clearly in the quran that -  whoever kills a soul  – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely". 

Quran 5:33 – unless, those who wage waragainst Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause]corruption/mischief is none but that they be killed or crucified or that theirhands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land.That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is agreat punishment.

Heaven has several meanings bully.

Except that there is indisputable evidence he is guilty.

The right just can't abide free speech.

Says who?

The Bible itself.

 YOU, again?  yet another rewrite. 

Have you won many debates by being silly? Read your bible with your brain on.

Unless its the media itself making the accusations against Trump.

Two groups of women set out that morning 

If I were the Bidens, I would find out why Schiff and Pelosi want to torpedo his campaign by dragging this stupid shit on through the Democrat Primaries.

This was the second group

How do you know?

CUZ BIG BRAIN

There was absolutely no complaint or protest from by Jesus about being touched BEFORE acceding to his father...

Since this was at a later time, how do you know He had not?

Do you know the difference between your assumptions and reality?

So. What's your point?

That god is black, duh

Lol!! It's YOUR thread Jethro! You didn't read the 2nd post to your own thread? 

God is Black.

Same words, different meaning.

Would you not have gone for the money?

if you want your analogy to apply it should be worded correctly in context,  that the cops show up and they can't tell if there has been domestic violence or not, the wife says there was not, just like Ukraine saying there was no wrong doings with regards to the democrat's charges, so.......

The thing that matters is that witnesses have confirmed most of what was in the whistle blower report.