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@BrotherDThomas
You haven't answered the questions ' brother d'. Why is that?
Why did Jesus say he wasn't going into the city but then went into the city in secret? Why didn't he trust his hand picked trustey disciples enough to impart to them the gospel truth? Why the secrecy? No one in the city knew who he was anyway. Matthew 21:10-17 New International Version (NIV)
10 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?”
And If he had just gone into the city without all the razzamataz of palm waving tambourine slapping and baby kissing to attract attention to himself in the first place, he would have gone completely unnoticed. The story as it has been taught to us is absolute bullshite and makes absolutely no sense at all.
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@BrotherDThomas
Jesus was a "Rock Star" of his era, therefore, I assume that at times He needed a rest from the multitudes and went into town undercover, get it?
Hahahhahahhahahahhahah. I love it. So he didn't want anyone to know him for what and who he was eh? I find that very odd considering the place he said was not going to, but did go to, that nobody knew who he was anyway!!!!!!!. hahahhahahhahahahhhah
He just wanted to enter the town as a normal person would, what's so bad about that? Huh? In my preaching, I have had to do the same at times!
But not because you are a " rockstar" bible basher but more likely because normal folk believe you to be unbalanced fire and fury contradictory lying bible basher, who doesn't know his Ark from his arse, and is best avoided should you ever be recognised.
Oh, for the record, tell us what chapter and verse in the Bible you used to disparage our Jesus the Christ when He allegedly lied, and disguised Himself going into town, okay?
So you don't know your scripture as well as you lead others to believe you do. This shouldn't surprise anyone should it? Because just as all devout christians do, you will alter, translate and interpret any biblical verses that are problematic to your faith. GET IT!!!?
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@BrotherDThomas
Jesus told quite a few lies . He told his close disciples that he wasn't going into town but went in disguise. Why the disguise? Why was he so scared of being recognised? Why couldn't he trust his hand picked disciples with the truth?
Your full of crap 'brother', you wouldn't know "the truth" if it was nailed up and crucified right before your own eyes.
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@Snoopy
Well, if around 5000 of them were Mopac, and if you consider an average of 1 reply each that would account for 10,000. He pretty much carried the religious forum on his back for awhile.
There is/was also someone who simply posted one or two word sentences to credit his forum count posts because he couldn't manage any type educated response which ran into thousands. He would also split a response over three or four posts when one post would have sufficed. He was allowed to get away with it too.
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@Tradesecret
Define "divine". My understanding is that divine means god or god - likeThat definition works for me. At least in the short term.
OK back toy our original question:
why should they answer without relying on supernatural explanations?
because it has to be proven that the god or god-like being has supernatural powers, it has to be established where these powers come from or if indeed "supernatural powers " were simply misunderstood happenings with reasonable scientific explanations or enigmatic metaphors.
Example: Jesus raised the dead? No he didn't raise the literal dead. Those outside of his circle were called the dead, when they had been through the initiation ceremony of being raised to another level of initiation and entered into his circle they became the living. As both those two enigmatic verses of " come let us go and die with him" John 11:16 and "let the dead bury the dead" Matthew 8:22 . If these two enigmatic verses are to be taken literally then they make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Why would these disciples want to literally "die". And how can "the dead bury the dead" literally?.
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@Tradesecret
What do you mean by that? My motive is and has been clear as a blue sky from day one. I question what the the believers believe in and expect them to be able to answer without relying on supernatural explanations.I expect you have probably answered this elsewhere, but if someone believes in a divine being who intervenes divinely into the world, why should they answer without relying on supernatural explanations?
Define "divine". My understanding is that divine means god or god - like.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
do you include those who "believe" in intelligent design?
Include them in what exactly?
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@janesix
At least you guys are revealing your true motives
What do you mean by that? My motive is and has been clear as a blue sky from day one. I question what the the believers believe in and expect them to be able to answer without relying on supernatural explanations.
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You should never argue with religious people because they have magic on their side.
It is not that they have "magic on their side", it is because they have faith so deep that they are unable to look at the scripture in any other way than what they have been indoctrinated into, especially the literalists.. They will even lie to defend their faith. They will change whole or parts of verses and reinterpret long held beliefs when those long held beliefs are proven to be wrong, hypocritical or simply untrue.
But there is a thin difference between "arguing" with a religious person and challenging his religion. I personally never set out to change the mind of a person of faith; I am not stupid enough to believe that can ever be done. I do however set out to challenge what it is that a person of faith actually has faith in.
Believers just can't seem to grasp that,today in the 21st century for them to say the Jesus was able to walk on water simply because he was the 'son of god', just won't do anymore. If a man walked on water then there has to be evidence for him to have actually walked on the surface of ever moving liquid: it has to be explainable, or the term to 'walk on water' means something entirely different if it not just a lie.
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@BrotherDThomas
Shhhhhhhh, I have already applied enough proverbial egg upon your face for a lifetime
Indeed you dole out egg to every member so often you must have your chickens on overtime.
,just STFU
Now now 'brother' , I have had warnings for using such acronyms as you well know, you have complained enough about them.
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@BrotherDThomas
Don’t you realize the membership is watching your outright stupidity regarding this topic?
I get a lot more satisfaction and hilarity watching yours.
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@TheRealNihilist
Okay. Type a comment and see if the number goes up.It will eventually.
ok
Post 1 of this thread ( six days ago) _ Forum posts: 1,898 Added: 08.16.19 06:43 AM
Post 11 ( since posting 1st post six days ago) - Forum posts: 1,898 Added: 08.22.19 03:31 PM
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@TheRealNihilist
It was my post count that I was querying relay. I am not too keen on - pats on the back - at anytime.
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@zedvictor4
What are you looking closely at? Other than religious mumbo jumbo.
Maybe. But I am looking at what is actually written there in, regardless of belief.
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@Harikrish
If you take the Genesis account. The garden of Eden was not in Africa. The Jews being the diect descendants of Adam and Eve were not Africans. In fact Christians trace the lineage of Africans to Ham.
When you actually look at this closely, it can be seen that the "first humans" were created somewhere else (Africa ?) and then placed in the Eden believed today to be Iraq.
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--> @disgusted "Death is the most natural thing on earth and godists can't accept it".Author: disgusted, 15 hours ago"Godists" as you call them, do accept death. they have funerals, bury and cremate just like any other denomination. And of course The grave yards holding thousands of very dead corpses across the planet are testament to that.So where's your evidence that "godists" do not accept death?--> @disgusted Read the thread.Your naysaying is quite boring.
And another unsubstantiated claim then. Yet you insist others provide evidence and insist they prove their claims.
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--> @disgusted Godists claim that every creature to ever walk the planet have a soul and do not die.And your evidence that all "godists" make this silly claim comes from where?--> @disgusted naysayer. Off you go now. Can you read?
So that's yet another unsubstantiated claim then.
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@RationalMadman
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Can anyone see the difference and the
Alec Signed up on October 22, 2018
My post count hasn't moved since 08.15.18 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/112/can-we-really-be-expected-to-take-any-more-welcome-to-spain
It is about time the moderators sorted out this problem. I have mentioned it many times now and no one seems to give a fk!
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@disgusted
"Death is the most natural thing on earth and godists can't accept it".Author: disgusted, 15 hours ago
"Godists" as you call them, do accept death. they have funerals, bury and cremate just like any other denomination. And of course The grave yards holding thousands of very dead corpses across the planet are testament to that.
So where's your evidence that "godists" do not accept death?
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@disgusted
Godists claim that every creature to ever walk the planet have a soul and do not die.
And your evidence that all "godists" make this silly claim comes from where?
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@BrotherDThomas
It is so sad to watch your decline
"Decline".? Are you unbalanced. Why don't you stick to crawling and crying to the moderator everytime you are shown to be the complete and utter bible bashing buffon hat you are.
If anyone on the whole of this forum is ignorant in understanding those scriptures, it is you 'brother', as shown by you and this complete bollocks;
Yes, Jesus was a MAN, and at the same time as the Bible so states, He was also Yahweh God incarnate,
Not true at all and you have absolutely no evidence to support that silly claim.
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@BrotherDThomas
You haven't answered this question 'brother'. What are you afraid of?
Timothy makes it quite clear Jesus was a "MAN" , was he, like you, also confused?
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen, Okay, we get it! You are vying to be the most dumbfounded of biblical knowledge on DebatArt Religion Forum!
No, that will be you 'brother' on this thread where you show the world your unlearned biblical knowledge by not being able to distinguish your holy Arse from the Ark of the Covenant!
Timothy makes it quite clear Jesu was "MAN" , was he, like you, also confused?
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Stephen, Okay, we get it! You are vying to be the most dumbfounded of biblical knowledge on DebatArt Religion Forum!
No, that will be you 'brother' on this thread where you show the world your unlearned biblical knowledge by not being able to distinguish your holy Arse from the Ark of the Covenant!
P.S. Timothy makes it quite clear Jesu was "MAN" , was he, like you, also confused?
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@BrotherDThomas
The ONLY God that exists is Jesus the Christ! Why do I know this as fact? Because Jesus' inspired words said so, that's why!"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Timothy 2:5)
Is this clown speak!? The only part of that whole sentence that rings true, is the fact that Timothy, quite plainly states Jesus is in fact a "MAN", and not a god.
We should expect nothing less from ' brother' buffoon who knows not his Ark from his own arse;
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@disgusted
I asked you a question : are you telling us that this biblical verse Luke 14:26 has to be taken literally. It's a yes or no question.Does your god lie is the answer.
You can't answer that can you. You know that the second that you do answer that question you are FKD!! because you have realised that you cannot have it both ways or cherry pick the verses that you deem have to be taken literally.
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@ebuc
Luke appears to be a white nationalist supremacist ergo, Trump equals hate,
So Luke was white was he? How do you know?
And Trump was the greatest thing that ever happened to the USA. It is a shame America isn't still British. Make America Great Britain again, I say
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@disgusted
Does your god lie? Because he must if you claim he didn't mean hate when he said hate. Take it up with your god. LOL
I don't have a god sea sponge. I asked you a question : are you telling us that this biblical verse Luke 14:26 has to be taken literally. It's a yes or no question.
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@BrotherDThomas
NO I point them to the beginning where every story starts, including the story how your deluded character unfolds and your misguided opinions fall flat on their face. Context you clown, contex.
Such as here where you know not the Ark from your arse.
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@disgusted
What is your god literally saying in Luke 14:26?
So you want us all to believe and accept it as fact, that bible is using the word "hate " literally? Yes or no.
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@BrotherDThomas
For you to TRY and save face AGAIN, you lead others to the beginning of topics instead of actual post numbers where I have explicitly shown you to be one of the most biblically ignorant of any member of DebateArt!
NO I point them to the beginning where every story starts, including the story how your deluded character unfolds and your misguided opinions fall flat on their face. Context you clown, contex.
Such as here where you no not the Ark from your own arse.
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@BrotherDThomas
YOUR EMBARRASSING AND RUNAWAY QUOTE: That's a matter of opinion 'brother'. I am pleased you re-posted the link that clearly proves you to be the delusional bible bashing clown that you portray yourself to be. Please keep reposting this link.I am pleased that you are finally accepting the fact that you cannot in any way address my post to you in the link above,
But I have addressed your nonsense.Your just so blinded that you are unable to accept it 'brother'. People only have to look at the link that you so generously keep posting. Here from the beginning, for thsoe interested. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273/how-did-judas-die?
And another from the 'brother clown' >> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260/what-does-hate-mean?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
How do you go about removing your sins ?
Simple. Go to your local church and hand over all your worldly possessions to a man in a dress, and you are forgiven and 'saved' but you have to die first.
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Nobody gives a rats ass in what you assume to believe
I know.
You are making the correct decision by not even getting close to discussing the topic of this thread,
Are you saying that you are making a point, or is there a serious theme to this thread and something worth discussing?.
I don't see anything here other than your usual misguided self rightious bullshite.
Your latest bible SLAP DOWN by me has been given to you AGAIN at the following link:
That's a matter of opinion 'brother'. I am pleased you re-posted the link that clearly proves you to be the delusional bible bashing clown that you portray yourself to be. Please keep reposting this link.
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@Dr.Franklin
Hi Iconoclast, your an atheist
The 'brother' comes across as a far right white supremacist to me. I would like to believe I was wrong.
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YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament? Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with theSAME GOD!.
So that is a clear no then.
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.
You have not a single piece of evidence to support that claim. You are just making all this shite up as you go as do all bible bashing Christians do when stumped by the obvious. and you still haven't explained what a "True Christian" is in your own delusional opinion. You have no more claim to the "truth" or being a "true Christian" than any other christian denomination.
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@BrotherDThomas
If you state that Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection is in agreement with Christians,
Oh FFS I didn't state that did I you clown!!!? Learn to read what I have ACTUALLY wrote and not what you believe and want me to have wrote: #31
"It seems to me that the single factor that allows all of the divergent creeds of Christianity to speak as one in agreement, it is the testament given to Jesus' unique status ascribed to him, his crucifixion and resurrection by the New Testament. Anything else is up for interpretation....".
The point being that all devout Christians, no matter what their denomination will all agree that he - Jesus - was the son of god, he was crucified and was resurrected.
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Ok, so confirm these few anomalies for us all 'brother'Did a man, brutally beaten, speared and murdered, "LITERALLY" die and then "LITERALLY" come back to life again after three days?Did Jesus "LITERALLY" raise a three day old stinking rotting and decaying body from the dead?Did Jesus' mother Mary "LITERALLY" conceive a child while "LITERALLY" still a virgin?Did Jesus " LITERALLY " walk on water?Did Jesus"LITERALLY" heal ten people of the fatal disease leprosy just by saying six words?Did Jesus "LITERALLY" feed over 9,000 people with a handful of loves and bucket of fish?Did Jesus "LITERALLY" cure a blind man by saying just ten words?To your bible questions above, I answer in the affirmative. To your disdain, and complete biblical ignorance, they are called MIRACLES, get it?.
" MIRACLES". - What I get is that you are truly deluded. You don't understand a fkn word of these scriptures as proven by your response to all the above.
Jesus said one has to HATE their family to be able to follow Him. Understood?
You really are a buffoon. Jesus may well have used the word "hate" you clown", but as I have explained at post 2, this is not literal as you are so desperate for it to be AND you are totally wrong. Luke 14:26 is about putting everyone and everything second to god/ the Christ and not a literal "hate" of anyone as proven by the fact that The Christ tells "honour thy mother and they father" - love thy neighbour" - "suffer the children unto me" etc etc. In other words it is idiomatic.
And waving away the contradictions that your interpretation give rise to doesn't make it more literal but less literal. If anyone should be embarrassed ' 'brother' it is you.
But your new best friend the sea sponge should be pleased that you are sticking by your guns although I am not sure he will go along with all of the other things you claim are "literal" and should be taken as such. "MIRACLES" MY ARSE! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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@BrotherDThomas
Subjectively, early Christians severely screwed up when they kept the brutal serial killer Yahweh as the same God within the New Testament.
Although the Christ mentions his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities. But of course, you simply wave away contradictions as irrelevant when they get in the way of your opinion don't you 'brother'? Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament? Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.
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@BrotherDThomas
fortunately, it looks like Stephen will continue his biblical ignorance, whereas, I will have to correct him again in the future.
No, you have not corrected me on anything at all and neither have you changed my belief or opinion on this matter of the "literal" meaning of Luke's verse 14:26.
You actually need to re -read your own bullshit 'brother' . You simply do not understand what the fkn word "concordance" means so let me educate you, you ignorant buffoon. A concordance is a book that has every word from the bible in it, as it appears and where it appears, it is nothing more than a quick reference for looking up words that appear in a certain verse with a just a part of the verse where the word one is searching for appears. It is not a fkn dictionary, you clown.
You are obviously fixated and insistent on the point of "LITERAL INTERPRETATION", and that we should, without question take the bible "LITERALLY"
Ok, so confirm these few anomalies for us all 'brother'
Did a man, brutally beaten, speared and murdered, "LITERALLY" die and then "LITERALLY" come back to life again after three days?
Did Jesus "LITERALLY" raise a three day old stinking rotting and decaying body from the dead?
Did Jesus' mother Mary "LITERALLY" conceive a child while "LITERALLY" still a virgin?
Did Jesus " LITERALLY " walk on water?
Did Jesus"LITERALLY" heal ten people of the fatal disease leprosy just by saying six words?
Did Jesus "LITERALLY" feed over 9,000 people with a handful of loves and bucket of fish?
Did Jesus "LITERALLY" cure a blind man by saying just ten words?
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@BrotherDThomas
This is because I accept ALL of the Bible for what it is, and follow it to the letter, except certain parts where Jesus orders the killing of others.
I am not religious but I accept the bible for what it is too, you clown. It is a jumbled mess of innuendo, half stories, ambiguous statements and at times downright lies. I just don't agree with the way it is taught. I have said many times that there is another story that lies underneath these narratives that the gospelers are desperate to hide. That is my opinion. I don't give two fks about your opinion.
I was "testing the thread" to see if anyone was paying attention.
Stop telling bare faced lies FFS. You fucked up because it was you who wasn't paying attention. It is there for anyone to see. stop trying to take people for mugs.
I am able to call out FAKE Christians for what they are that do not follow the Bible in the godly manner that I do,
Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse.
I will continue to correct your outright Biblical ignorance, and unfortunately, at your expense.
I don't mind being corrected. I will always give credit where I belive it is due and am always willing to concede an argument if i feel the evidence outweighs AND proves my beliefs or opinions to be wrong. Which is something you have failed miserably to do since you joined the forum. So, again, fk you 'brother', I know more about these scriptures than you will ever live to know.
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@disgusted
How pathetically disingenuous can your posts be.If you don't understand that post then my opinion of your intellect was miles above what it is and believe me it was already subterranean.
Just as I thought , absolute unintelligible bollocks that you don't understand yourself, yet expect me to decipher your shite.
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@disgusted
You have made a post - post # 90 it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Are they quotes? If so, show that they are quotes and who's quotes they are.
Show me the links to these quotes if any exist. Because as that post stands, it is absolute unintelligible bollocks. Now off you go, and return with your edited version in English, if it that important to you.
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@disgusted
So? what's your point sea slug? Do you actually have one?
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Within the same context, STEPHEN has failed to address my post #20, other than to RUN AWAY from it,
I did adress it. I didn't agree with it and I have told you that you do not understand your own link because it appears to agree with me.
That shows explicitly that the term HATE in Luke 14:26 means exactly what it says, and that is HATE!
I don't agree. I have said I don't agree many times and have also said that I believe it clearly to be idiomatic. You don't accept this. Ok, so what? . You are not catching on are you; I don't fkn care.
I will not argue that on many occasions when Christians have truly painted themselves into a corner they will leap to the excuse of idiomacy, but this is not one of those occasions and you are no more better than the sea sponge at understanding phraseology vs idiomacy when it comes to the use of the ancient words and or phrases.
I have given my opinion, you, to my mind have not shown me anything that causes me to change my opinion, so fk off 'brother' I don't give two fks.
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@BrotherDThomas
Once again, you are blatantly guilty of the following passage: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)
Indeed, and if that be the case we are all doomed to hell fire when one understands that these, scriptures have been altered, faked, expunged and doctored by Christians. Christians like to believe that the scriptures are unimpugnable but how can this be so when they clearly and often impugn one another? They do not represent the "perfect word of god": or if they do, then god's words have been very liberally censored, edited,revised, glossed and rewritten by human hands.
TRUE Christians
It seems to me that the single factor that allows all of the divergent creeds of Christianity to speak as one in agreement, it is the testament given to Jesus' unique status ascribed to him, his crucifixion and resurrection by the New Testament. Anything else is up for interpretation and it cannot be doubted, that the gospelers have taken literary license of that fact. Even if one does not subscribe to the literal or historical truth of those events, acceptance of their symbolic significance generally suffices for one to be considered a Christian.
So I don't think you are in any position to claim the biblical moral high ground over anyone who has an opinion concerning these scriptures. Given their many discrepancies these scriptures are highly questionable and are not by any means definitive.
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The sooner you realize that our bible contradicts itself, the sooner you will not be laughed at by TRUE Christians like myself in you trying in vain to rewrite the scriptures, understood?!
Says the man who doesn't know his Ark from his arse.
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@disgusted
--> @keithprosser wrote: or resembleIs the most important part of your post keith,
That says it all!!!! doesn't it "keith" ? hahahahhahahhahah
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