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@disgusted
Why don't NDE's ever report seeing Satan and hell when they wake up?
There are many who have claimed to have seen "satan" after recovering from a near death experience , even children.
Here take you pick. LOL
Do you not research anything at all before you post a silly pathetic statement? I suppose any rubbish goes towards your post count.
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How is quoting the Quran the same as quoting Islamic academics? If I am wrong which one are you doing more?
You are wrong AGAIN!!!!!! Who said it was "the same". I didn't. Are you misquoting me deceitfully again? I said when I am discussing Islam, I do not only quote the quran but Islamic scholars and academics etc, what don't you understand about that simple sentence? . And it depends on the subject matter concerning Islam which one I would quote more. Stop asking me stupid questions.
So you don't care about your work being misrepresented or lose what you had in mind when using generalisations like Muslims did this and that?
Stop with your nonsense FFS! If I am "misrepresented" by the likes of you I will let you know and have let you know. Like when you tell blatant lies about me. Like this:
You say Muslims did this and that but don't say what should be done.
NO I HAVE FKN NOT YOU LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! .
Show this forum right now where i have said "muslims" had anything to do with the Sri Lankan attacks. You are just full of crap.
Let us all see your evidence where I have said "muslims did this". Come on, right now!!!
when using generalisations like Muslims did this and that?
lets have an example of "my generalisations". Come on! hurry up!
Don't think you should be on the internet before fixing what is going on in your life. It does seem like you vent out your frustration on this site and show it with capital letters and swear words.
Opinion. Listen buffon, I often use capitals not because I am "shouting", but because I fear the likes you have missed something I have already said a dozen time. This is the only reason I will use CAPITALS , BOLD or UNDERLINED . It sometimes works but many times it doesn't , it depends on the density of the reader.
Who said I said that you knew?
I do? You accused me of accusing muslims for the attack in Sri Lanka.
When was the last time you used an Quranic verse in a forum post you have typed?
Look above you buffon.Post 71
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@blamonkey
So... if there are so many Muslims in the world and not every single one is trying to "kill the infidels" or whatever, then it can be assumed that the religion is not the only driving force for terror to be committed.
That's an opinion. I have covered this many times now. And I always answer this " not all muslims /most are peaceful" rhetoric the same way.
Just because those muslims who do want to kill any Westerner are only a "minority" it doesn't distract from the fact that the "minority" can cause millions of deaths. Not Germans were nazis,the majority were peaceful, but this didn't stop the "minority" causing the deaths of 60 million + men women and children with 16 million of those death happening in death camps. You see, the peaceful majority are irrelevant.
Muslims don't support the type of regime that kills them.
That is not just muslims, is it? No one supports a regime that wants to kill them, I wouldn't support any government that wanted to kill me. The thing is Christianity doesn't want to kill me because I criticize it and question it, I even and sometimes mock christians for believing what they do. . It is a that many "western muslims" prefer and want islamic sharia law these are facts, take your pick>. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslims+want+shariah+law+in+the+west
If all of them are terrorists driven by a terrible religion, then why are they condemning violence in support of an Islamic State?
Who exactly are they who condemning violence in support of an Islamic State"?
I agree thousands of muslims suffer at the hands of their so called muslim "brothers/sisters" but that would make that sectarian in my books. It is not international terror. I honestly don't care if Shi'ite and Sunni want to butcher each other. That is their affair.
On a related note, 9% of Americans, according to a recent poll, believe that it is acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views...
Holding and having views and opinions is not terrorism on international scale as is Islam. Islam openly and clearly teaches violence and intolerance towards the non believer. Stop trying to ignore or to pretend it is not there written in the Islamic book , the hadith and the sunnah.
Intolerance. Quran 51- You, who havebelieved, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact]allies of one another.....
Violence. Quran 8:39 And fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.
There are over 100 verses in the same vein as the above throughout the quran. The quran teaches global jihad until "ALL religion is for allah".
Don't come back with the " nat all muslims" I have explained and covered that above already.
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@TheRealNihilist
Well guess I was wrong.
Ya don't say!? Your always wrong , about everything. You tell lies and make things up. You say I have said things and put other peoples quotes down to me. You are always chasing your own arse because you cannot keep up with a thread or grasp simple explanations.
with Islam you always speak about what Muslims did instead of what the Quran says.
Listen buffoon. I am always quoting the quran. I quote many Islamic academics, preachers and Imams. It is the thing to do when the subject happens to be fkn Islam!
If muslims are responsible for something I may or may not comment on it. My gripe is and always will be Islam and the quran, I believe it is at the heart of ALL Islamic terrorism. And I have made that point clear time and time again. And I don't give two fingers that you don't like the words I use. They are my words. I won't tell you how to write or what to write so afford me the same fkn courtesy. I have found that on this site diplomacy and reasoning go out of the window the second you disagree with anyone. If you don't like what I write, STAY OF MY THREADS AND DO NOT REPLY TO WHAT I WRITE ON ANY OTHER THREADS IN RESPONSE TO ANYONE ELSE. it is that simple.
have seen a trend that with Christianity you are sticking to what the Bible states
As i have mentioned before, your buffoonery knows absolutely no bounds. LISTEN the bible says what it says. So what do you mean I am sticking to it? I would say what the bible DOESN'T SAY, would I? I stick to what the quran states too, but apologists for islam like yourself don't like that.
So tell me buffoon, has it been discovered yet who is responsible for the Sri Lankan attack on Christians at prayer on the holiest day of the Christian calendar? because I don't know and HAVE NEVER SAID I DID KNOW.
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I have criticized Christianity and avidly questioned and scrutinised the New Testament much more often than I ever have Islam.Evidence says otherwise.
No the evidence proves you to be extremely poorly researched on my threads. I have started more threads scrutinising and questioning Christianity and the New Testament (and the Old) than I have Islam This is a fact. look upon the word fact.
Or simply start here and count my threads for yourself
Threads started by Stephen
You will find there are 6 on Islam and over 25 on the subject of Christianity. That's roughly 5 to 1 you buffoon.
Go on now, off you trot and see how ridiculously untrue your claim actually is and what a bare faced liar you actually are. Go on now, off you go.
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@blamonkey
To saddle the entire Muslim population with labels like "terrorist" seems a bit presumptuous .
It is "presumptuous" and I don't believe anyone here has "saddle the entire Muslim population with labels like "terrorist", have they, that would be " presumptuous" of you to think so, wouldn't it.
There are over 1 billion people identifying as Muslim in the world
Yes, and?
Condemnations of extremists from moderate Muslims is not a new thing .
Maybe not but can you explain what a "moderate muslim" actually is? Do, for instance ,your so called "moderate muslim" read the same Quran as the muslim extremist, or a different book altogether? Do extremist have the same god as the So called "moderate muslim"? Indeed, do the muslim extremist have a totally different ideology/ religion from the so called "moderate muslim"?
Across many countries, Muslim support for ISIS is diminutive.
That is to say extremely small. I don't agree, but what is your point?
In the US, France, Lebanon, and Israel, over 80% of Muslims support US intervention to eradicate ISIS according to Pew's opinion surveys
Yet there are apologist for Islamic terrorism who blame it on Western interference in Middle Eastern affairs. They can't win either way can they?
This is for good reason, as most victims of the tyrannical group happen to be Muslim according to estimates from the Dept. of State
I would like to refer you to a post made by Greyparrot on this thread here>> POST # 6 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1667 who states :
"Gallup poll collected extensive data in a project called "Who Speaks for Islam?". John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed present data relevant to Islamic views on peace, and more, in their book Who Speaks for Islam? The book reports Gallup poll data from random samples in over 35 countries using Gallup's various research techniques (e.g. pairing male and female interviewers, testing the questions beforehand, communicating with local leaders when approval is necessary, travelling by foot if that is the only way to reach a region, etc.)
There was a great deal of data. It suggests, firstly, that individuals who dislike America and consider the September 11 attacks to be "perfectly justified" form a statistically distinct group, with much more extreme views. The authors call this 7% of Muslims "Politically Radicalized".They chose that title "because of their radical political orientation" and clarify "we are not saying that all in this group commit acts of violence. However, those with extremist views are a potential source for recruitment or support for terrorist groups." The data also indicates that poverty is not simply to blame for the comparatively radical views of this 7% of Muslims, who tend to be better educated than moderates.
The authors say that, contrary to what the media may indicate, most Muslims believe that the September 11 attacks cannot actually be justified at all. The authors called this 55% of Muslims "Moderates". Included in that category were an additional 12% who said the attacks almost cannot be justified at all (thus 67% of Muslims were classified as Moderates). 26% of Muslims were neither moderates nor radicals, leaving the remaining 7% called "Politically Radicalized". Esposito and Mogahed explain that the labels should not be taken as being perfectly definitive. Because there may be individuals who would generally not be considered radical, although they believe the attacks were justified, or vice versa.
105,000,000= 7% of 1.5 Billion.
That's not just a few nutjobs like the 3000 KKK members in the USA."
If religion is key to Muslim's action in killing hundreds of people, then why would so many denounce ISIS and affiliated extremist groups?
While thousands still support it. SEE Greyparrots quote above.
Certainly, there are ideological ISIS fighters who believe that they are doing exactly what is suggested in the Quran or the religion's many Hadiths. But, to suggest that religion is the driving motivator for all ISIS fighters is an oversimplification.
Religion maybe won't be the "driving factor "of some of the individual fighters, who knows? But the driving factor for Islamic State IS to create an Islamic state through Jihad. Which then the individual fighter IS fighting Islamic Jihad to create an ISLAMIC state..
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Are you actually offended that someone is calling you out for your bad choice of words?
My words may not be palatable to an apologist such as yourself. I won't apologise for my choice of words. I will apologise if I am shown to be wrong.
WHAT I DO "GET OFFENDED BY" is people like you who resort to blatant lies about me.
You say Muslims did this and that but don't say what should be done.
NO I HAVE FKN NOT YOU LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! .
Show this forum right now where i have said "muslims" had anything to do with the Sri Lankan attacks. You are just full of crap.
Let us all see your evidence where I have said "muslims did this". Come on, right now!!!
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You say Muslims did this and that but don't say what should be done.
NO I HAVE FKN NOT YOU LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! .
Show this forum right now where i have said "muslims" had anything to do with the Sri Lankan attacks. You are just full of crap.
Let us all see your evidence where I have said "muslims did this". Come on, right now!!!
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@TheRealNihilist
You are actually incapable of making an ought claim
One minute you accuse me of making claims, and now your saying I "am incapable". Make your FKN mind up FFS!
Why are you making it so specific when it is so common for you to make gross generalisations?
What generalisations? I haven't made any of those either.And what have I made "so specific"?
Stop cross threading.
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As an atheist I do not believe thay any human is following the direct instructions of any god(s).
Then that is irrelevant. The point is , Christians - those that do believe, have, in the past have believed god to be on their side because their church leaders told them so. It was nothing more than a rally call to the ignorant "Christian"..
But the ignorant of those times didn't read, they simply followed. If they had read , then many would have known that violence was against the teaching of the Christ.These are facts that simply cannot be denied. .
If beliefs can be used to justify violence then the actual content of said beliefs is beside the point.
Not if it able to be questioned, which in medieval European /English times it wasn't able to be questioned. The masses were simply not educated enough. Islam is different and is acted upon differently. It hasn't gone through a reformation and it won't go through one : it is still stuck in the 7th century and there are muslims who are happy for it to stay that way. . And I would agree that not all Pakistani muslims for example, can't speak English never mind Arabic. But the quran makes no secret of its goals and reasons for those goals. These are facts that some just love to deny.
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@Speedrace
lol I never said that they want to be recognized as an ethnic race, or that they are one, I said they’re frequently described as such
Yes I know what you said and what you didn't say. And I said "they wish" to be recognised as a race. This then will make it a crime to question or criticise Islam.
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No matter how hard I have looked, i still haven't found a photo or video of New Zealand Prime Minister JACINDA ARDERN standing shoulder to shoulder in solidarity with the local Bishop of Christchurch. She has though issued a formal statement in writing saying
“New Zealand condemns all acts of terrorism, and our resolve has only been strengthened by the attack on our soil on the 15th of March. To see an attack in Sri Lanka while people were in churches and at hotels is devastating,” she said in a written statement.
“New Zealand rejects all forms of extremism and stands for freedom of religion and the right to worship safely. Collectively we must find the will and the answers to end such violence.”
Maybe she will issue a more direct statement when more is known about those responsible for this attack and their reasons behind it.
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@TheRealNihilist
So a Muslim and a Christian can't share a platform?
Who said they couldn't. I DIDN'T. Your buffoonery knows no bounds does it? . Stop cross threading it is against the rules of the forum. . If you want to discuss this go to the correct thread and stop derailing this one. here>>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1667
My point is that you don't know what happened and for you to claim that something will happened is ignorant.
I haven't made a single claim about "what happened" about the Sri Lanka attack ... AT ALL. . And I have not said or claimed anything "will happen" either. Show me where I have done that.
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@Speedrace
Being Muslim is frequently described as an ethnicity
They wish . This is what they are hoping to be recognised as - an ethnic - race - so they can all play the race card when their barbaric ideology is called out for what it is.
See this thread>>
British Prime Minister refuses "new" definition. Is this a threat?
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@secularmerlin
Maybe but not on the instruction of the ChristIrrelevent. The teachings (whether they encourage violence or not) do not prevent the violence but are rather used as a justification for the violence throughout history including in the history presented in the bible itself.
To say that is irrelevant is not only an opinion - your opinion - but it is totally wrong. The Christian church, it cannot be denied has involved itself in wars believing god was on its side as do all religions. This does not mean they follow the direct instructions of their god because they don't. In fact these "christian conflicts" are in total opposition to what the Christ of the New Testament himself is said to have taught. Don't try to play that old Judeo /Christian card, because that is absolute bullshite. It implies a shared ideological kinship between Jews and Christians. This simply isn't true. There isn't any.
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@TheRealNihilist
So it should say Islam was the Religion blamed for the attack not "Muslims were the religion to blame for the attack"
Cobblers. Those who carry out these terrorist attacks such as those in Manchester and behead soldiers in the middle of London are muslims PLURAL!!! Who are you to say that these Islamic adherents are not muslim? Or is there another type of islam that you also know about, that these MUSLIMS do not know about?
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@TheRealNihilist
Islam is a Religion.
It is a ideology AND followed by muslims...... PLURAL!!!!
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@Snoopy
How can we say that the attackers are abiding by Islamic doctrine, rather than corrupting or misrepresenting its meaning?
Do you know of another sort of Islam other than what is written in the quran. If so , why is it that the violent Islamic extremist don't know about it?
I eagerly await your reply.
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@TheRealNihilist
If we actually followed the way he speaks about Muslims ......
Such as? Lets here right now you buffoon.
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@TheRealNihilist
Okay then. I specifically meant Muslims as foreigners since I haven't heard him speak about Europeans.
I have criticized Christianity and avidly questioned and scrutinised the New Testament much more often than I ever have Islam. But that seems ok with with the islam apologist here. it is only when I question and criticise Islam that they start crying foul.
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@disgusted
Stone your none virgin daughter to death and stone your disobedient children to death and stone homosexuals to death. You don't know much do you?
That will be you who knows absolutely nothing. But please do not turn someones thread into an argument just because you cannot string one single coherent and factual sentence together. It is rude and not fair on the OP.
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@TheRealNihilist
--> @StephenBut according to their religion, if someone does not convert, they must draw their swords.How many Muslims follow that verse you are talking about? It would be better for your case if you can find the verse that says it as well.
You are absolutely hopeless at following a thread aren't you? This thread is only a page and a half in and you have attributed all the above to me and I haven't said a single word of the above. Now go back to post one (#1SupaDudz) a THAT WILL BE THE OP and see who you have actually quoted believing it to be me and see who it is that you are actually quoting.
This is not the thread that I started on the subject of Sri Lanka.
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@secularmerlin
There are no such instructions in Christianity.Which even if true has not stopped christians throughout history from using violence as a conversion tool.
Maybe but not on the instruction of the Christ whereas the god of the quran on the other hand makes his instructions very clear and what is required of his followers.:
Quran 51- You, who havebelieved, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact]allies of one another.
Quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.
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There requires to be more information for us to understand what happened.
It does. What's your point?
Go to my thread about it. HERE>>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1667
Crucifix what do you mean?
One of these you buffoon.
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@Greyparrot
"Who Speaks for Islam?". John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed
And your post will be totally ignored. Probably because it contains well researched facts by two very worthy academics. Facts are something apologist for Islam have a very extreme aversion to.
Dalia Mogahed is an American scholar of Egyptian origin. She is the Director of Research at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in Washington, D.C. She chaired the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies from 2006 to 2012, which conducted research and statistics on Muslims ...
John Louis Esposito is University Professor, Professor of Religion & International Affairs and Islamic Studies at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. He was also the Founding Director of the Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim–Christian Understanding at Georgetown.
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@disgusted
So fantasists, people who believe in gods. The most dangerous animal on the planet
Now this is where you often become so confused. Believing in a god is alright by me as long as those that follow that god do not try to impress the religion or ideology of that god onto me using violent or nonviolent actions or carry out the commands of that god against me. Where you are quite correct is where - as you suggest, - that only the human that causes the chaos , mayhem & murder in the belief that they are doing the will of their god and on the direct written instructions of their god..
There are no such instructions in Christianity.
And I agree that man can be, and many times shows himself to be "the most dangerous animal on the planet" not to mention the most destructive.
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Especially those who blame 1.5 billion people for the actions of a few thousand or even one person.
And who has done that? I would like to see your evidence for that ridiculous claim.
What am I bigoted against,
Christians and Christianity. Do you not understand the meaning of the word bigot?
Here you go:
bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun
- a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
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@disgusted
Committed by humans in the name of some god of some religion. That's what I reckon. I could be wrong. We'll have to wait and see.
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@Vader
It is not the people, but it is the Religion's.
Which religion is responsible for this murderous atrocity of innocent Christians at prayer on one of the Holiest days in the Christian calendar?
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@disgusted
Hypocrisy does get to me I will admit. Especially your own and keith prossers. You are both the two biggest hypocritical bigots on this forum.
It is open season on Christians for you both when it comes to the New Testament & Christians. But you scream and cry and complain and call others bigot and racists and "islamophobes" when anyone mentions Islam or muslims. Your are bigoted hypocrite that makes me sick.
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@TheRealNihilist
I'll wait for your next thread that you will give a barely substantiated point.
Just as I thought. You are totally incapable of starting a thread .
I am waiting for Stephen to dedicate a threat about it.
So why not start a thread of your own? And your still playing catch up. I started a thread on it already YESTERDAY 04.21.19 09:48AM. Asking where is the New Zealand Prime Minister showing her outpouring of grief and mourning whilst wearing a crucifix and sharing a platform with the local bishop of Christchurch?
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@TheRealNihilist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Islamic_State_of_Iraq_(2006–2013)Saddam Hussein died in 30 Decemeber 2006. This was the same year IS became a terrorist organisation. By the US murdering Saddam Hussein they de-stablised Iraq and gave a vacuum for IS to fill.Islamic State of Iraq (2006–2013) is the section in the Wiki that talks about them.
This has nothing to do with Muslims celebrating the destruction of a 850 year old iconic Christian Cathedral. You have the wrong thread .
And although Wiki is handy for quick reference. You still should fact check it. Wiki admits itself to being a "unreliable" source of information.
Saddam Hussein was tried in a Iraqi court, and sentenced to death by the Iraqi Judge Rauf Rashid Abd al-Rahman. The USA had nothing to do with his trial or sentance. I agree there was a power vacuum left by the allies.
If you wish to discuss Western interference in Middle East affairs, then start a thread of your own. I will be more than happy to discuss that topic with you... as long as you can keep up and pay attention.
Go on on now, off you trot and I will join you as soon as you have started your own thread on the matter of nasty Western interference in the Middle East and have made your first comment.
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of which the West has saved and given refuge to MILLIONS!They wouldn't be refugees if countries like the US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia were murdering, bombing their countries. Syria, Afghanistan and Yemen are my examples.
Do you mean western interference into middle eastern countries that have nothing to do with them?
Coward.
No. I am just sick of repeating myself over and over to someone with the mental capacity of the embryo of a clam.
I don't care enough about you to make it personal.
Good. But you could have fooled me. You have been spouting shite about everything but the content of the OP for ages now on this thread
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So why did not include the rest of it?
there was no need to. I agreed with it. I agree that " not all muslims back violence" or are even terrorist. What can't you understand? I simply say as an example that it doesn't need a majority to cause death and destruction and used minority of Nazis of WWII as an example. So now go away you fool. You are embarrassing yourself.
So we should blame the majority for what the minority did?
Do you see what you have wrote above. You really are dense aren't you? NO ONE HAS BLAMED "ALL MUSLIMS" (the majority) for anything have they? How many fkn times do you need to be told the same thing or have the same thing explained to you.?
Why did you copy it?
I didn't copy it to, or use it in MY ARGUMENT. I have only repeated it to show you who it was that posted it originally .
It is was part of your argument
No it wasn't. If you insist on that, then show us all where I have used it to support my argument. Hurry up! I haven't got all FKN DAY!
when you brought him as your argument
No I supported Alec's claim and explained why. You are just far too befuddled to grasp what is being said and are atrocious at keeping up.
None of this has anything to do with the op. You have turned it into a personal argument. So as far as I am concerned, this is the end of this thread for me. Go find someone else who will stand you for as long as I have, you buffoon.
I stick by what I have wrote: that muslims around the world are celebrating the destruction of the Christian iconic Cathedral Notre Dame
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Now let us wait for the Prime Minister of New Zealand to condemn this atrocity whilst wearing a Crucifix and the rest of our world leaders to show there outrage and outpouring of grief whilst they are remembering the dead and injured stuck down while at prayer on one of the holiest days in the Christian calendar. And of course the candlelit vigiles of the worlds mourners coming together in grief at the senselessness of this deliberate targeting of innocent Christians at prayer.
"COLOMBO, Sri Lanka — Multiple explosions at churches and hotels around Sri Lanka on Sunday killed more than 140 people and injured many more, according to local news reports.
The sites included three churches convened for Easter Mass and three high-end hotels in Colombo, the capital.
According to Dr. Kumara Wickramasinghe, deputy director general of the National Hospital of Sri Lanka, as of early Sunday afternoon there were 62 dead and more than 100 injured in Negombo, 52 dead and almost 300 injured in Colombo, and 27 dead and almost 70 injured in Batticaloa".
The sites included three churches convened for Easter Mass and three high-end hotels in Colombo, the capital.
According to Dr. Kumara Wickramasinghe, deputy director general of the National Hospital of Sri Lanka, as of early Sunday afternoon there were 62 dead and more than 100 injured in Negombo, 52 dead and almost 300 injured in Colombo, and 27 dead and almost 70 injured in Batticaloa".
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@TheRealNihilist
World War II fatality statistics vary, with estimates of total deaths ranging from 70 million to 85 million. Deaths directly caused by the war military and civilians killed are estimated at 50-56 million people, there were an additional estimated 19 to 28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine.I put a conservative figure on those deaths at 60 million. So fkn WHAT! Again, You have no point and are simply attempting to create a argument out of this air.Dispute those figures if you wish. I DON'T CARE!What is your point?
You are like a little child that needs the same things repeatedly explained to him over and over and over again.
YOU used the "not all muslims" rhetoric.
This is how it started and why I used the WWII example. NOW, Are you sitting comfortably.
It started with YOU at post 6 saying:
omar 2345 If that is the case why isn't every single Muslim committing illegal activity in western countries
Alec responded at post 7 with this comment:
Alec A considerable portion back the violence
You responded to that with this overused BS at post 8;
omar 2345 So not all Muslims back violence
And then I came in and told you that although "not all muslims" do act violent that it was irrelevant BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES A MINORITY TO CAUSE MAYHEM AND MURDER on a large scale.
I USED WWII as an example of what the MINORITY can achieve.
I WROTE in response to your "not all muslims" BS at post ten
No one is suggesting or has suggested that. Stop playing victim on behalf of muslims , they do that quite good on their own and without the help of apologists such as yourself. It took only a few muslims to bring New York city, a population of 8 million, to its knees.Not all Germans were Nazis, the majority were peaceful, but it didn't stop the minority causing the deaths of over 60 million men women and children of which 16 million were murdered in death camps. The majority were irrelevant.
Now if you cannot keep up with a simple conversation of who is saying what to whom, then simply leave thread. You have no point to make about the original op and have simply picked an argument over numbers. Please try to get it through that dense mass you call a brain, that I don't care if you don't accept those figures. It won't change the fact that it only takes a few >>> I.E. the MINORITY <<< to cause murder and mayhem on a large scale.
Wrong person. I haven't even mentioned that ungrateful bitch Linda SarsourYes wrong person but you did use it as your part of your argument didn't you?
I meant you had the wrong person down as mentioning Linda Sarsour . I didn't bring her into the argument that was someone else and I haven't at all used her in any way for my arguments. YOU HAVE THE WRONG PERSON YOU BUFFOON!!!! 😆 IT WAS ALEC who brought Sarsour into the thread NO ME!!! GO LOOK AT POST 7
This is what ALEC wrote:
Alec A considerable portion back the violence. Even Linda Sarsour, who is American supports Shariah law.
Do you see that? ^^^^^^^^^^^^ it is a quote from ALEC not Stephen.
Keep up or go away.
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@TheRealNihilist
What is your point in bringing in WW2?
You are showing your ignorance yet again. I shouldn't be surprised. Go back and read post ten, here>>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1660?
Or see someone about your terrible memory loss
False. Linda Sarsour
Wrong person. I haven't even mentioned that ungrateful bitch Linda Sarsour
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@TheRealNihilist
Stephen you really need to try to have this level of vitriol against Trump
I have no "vitriol against " the great and brilliant Donald Trump. I think Donald trump is the Greatest President Great Britain never had, you silly little man. If I was a child , I would wish that Donald Trump was our Prime Minister.
Now, take your time, and show me MY "vitriol against Trump", you buffoon.
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A Democratic congresswoman says she will not be silenced after facing a barrage of criticism over comments she made about the 9/11 attacks - including from Donald Trump.
The US president tweeted "WE WILL NEVER FORGET" alongside a video showing footage of the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks spliced with a speech by Representative Ilhan Omar.
"Some people did something," she is seen saying, in between footage of planes hitting the Twin Towers and people fleeing the buildings.
Republicans have accused her of downplaying the attacks, but Democrats have largely rallied to her defence, saying she had been quoted out of context and some accusing Mr Trump of inciting violence against her and Muslims. Here is how the row developed.
Republicans have accused her of downplaying the attacks,
And the accusations are valid as this is what all apologist for Islam do. The muslim Mayor of London Mr Sadiq Khan, downplayed attacks on the city by stating that;
terror attacks are now "‘part and parcel’ of living in a big city", - as if we had to simply accept this and get used to it.
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@Greyparrot
What is truly sad is how there is no French culture. No Culture that you can identify as being exclusively French anymore. Multiculturalism has infested France to such a degree that it's now a conglomeration of warring tribes and city-districts.
And this mirrors Great Britain. Diversity has killed the British person and his culture stone dead. Don't let this happen to the USA. You still have a chance of putting your foot down and saying no to all this shite of "multiculturalism" and so called diversity". Muslims do not want any of it either. but they will take your milk & honey while demanding another way of living: Sharia Law
At least it looks like you/USA has made a good start:
Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, South Dakota, Tennessee, North Carolina, Alabama and Texas have "banned sharia,"i.e., passed foreign law bans. In 2010 and 2011 more than two dozen states "considered measures to restrict judges from consulting Shariah, or foreign and religious laws more generally".
Sharia Has Come to Texas
This video is part of “Who’s Afraid of Aymann Ismail?,” a series featuring Slate’s Aymann Ismail confronting fears about Muslims.
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@TheRealNihilist
You tell me a false number when the process of getting the correct number is easy and now you decide to give me a number without evidence?
It is estimated that the population of Muslims around the world is around 1.7 billion. According to Pew Research Center Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
Which is 000.2% higher than what I had it down to be. So fkn WHAT! You have no point and are simply making a argument out of this air.
World War II fatality statistics vary, with estimates of total deaths ranging from 70 million to 85 million. Deaths directly caused by the war military and civilians killed are estimated at 50-56 million people, there were an additional estimated 19 to 28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine.
I put a conservative figure on those deaths at 60 million. So fkn WHAT! Again, You have no point and are simply attempting to creat a argument out of this air.
Dispute those figures if you wish. I DON'T CARE!
Alec simply told you
A considerable portion back the violence. Even Linda Sarsour, who is American supports Shariah law.
And you responded:
So not all Muslims back violence.
Now if you want to bore yourself rigid, read what it was that I actually wrote in reply to your silly response; post #10
No one is suggesting or has suggested that. Stop playing victim on behalf of muslims , they do that quite good on their own and without the help of apologists such as yourself. It took only a few muslims to bring New York city, a population of 8 million, to its knees.
Not all Germans were Nazis, the majority were peaceful, but it didn't stop the minority causing the deaths of over 60 million men women and children of which 16 million were murdered in death camps. The majority were irrelevant.
For you to keep using that same old BS rhetoric of "not all muslims" is wearing extremely thin. There are a estimated 1.5 billion muslims in the world. Just 1 half of a % of that number amounts to 75 million muslims. So stop with your "not all muslims" because as Alec has said above at post 7 "A considerable portion [of muslims] back the violence " and a considerable portion do want to kill or convert every Westerner on the planet because their god instruct them to do so.
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@TheRealNihilist
why should I take your opinion on numbers seriously?
You don't have to take my opinion AT all , you absolute buffoon. And I am not bothered in the slightest if you do or don't. It is you who is making an issue of "numbers".
If it is generally believed there to be over 1 billion muslims in the world then I will not argue with that number. You can for as long as you like.
WWII deaths are estimated between 70 and 85 million, I put a conservative number on that by saying 60 million. Argue that as much as you like too.
But it won't alter the fact that it took only a tiny few muslims of the estimated 1.5 billion muslims in the world to bring a city of over 8 million to its knees.
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The title of this forum post has "Muslim world reacts". How many people are you talking about?
And no one is suggesting "all muslims", Grow up you buffoon., The title is part of the original quote. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and on behalf of others.
Do tell me about why every single Muslim ain't following this again?
Alec has only suggested that " A considerable portion back the violence". The comment is valid and correct, so stop crying.
Do tell me about why every single Muslim ain't following this again?
No one has even suggested "every single muslim", at all, have they? What has been suggested by Alec is, that " A considerable portion [of muslims] back the violence". I have offered the percentages. You want to ignore that fact so Ok , then fkn ignore that fact. It won't change the fact. SO stop trying to make this about "ALL MUSLIMS" when it clearly isn't.
People can see right through your shite. So go away and come back with a clear and indisputable argument as to why >>>> ISLAM<<<< "is a religion of peace". Or just go away.
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No, that is your opinion. And I don't give a toss about your opinion.
But you DO give a toss don't you , you silly little man. Otherwise you wouldn't be engaging me , now would you, you buffoon. You could always go away and prove me wrong, though.LOL
Bad argument
No its a fact. You say I "should fear Christianity" but I have no reason to fear Christianity. That is not a bad argument, it is a fact.
And you are scraping the barrel when you have to use someone's use words and phrases . See here post 50:
This is more of a problem than Islamic terror.No, that is your opinion. And I don't give a toss about your opinion. Christianity has given me absolute Zero reasons to fear it whereas Islam has given me hundreds of reasons to fear it. Did you miss this?List of Islamic attacks around the world commited by muslims
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@TheRealNihilist
Stephen uses anecdotes to paint an entire picture of a Religion.
Correction;
Stephen uses the Quran, the Hadith, the Surah and the works of learned Islamic scholars, teachers, historians and Imams - "to paint an entire picture of a Religion".
anecdotes
No. A fact from the Quran
Example;
Instructions to muslims to murder until the world is Islamic.
Quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and >>>>>[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah.<<<<<< And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.
anecdotes
No. The words of a Muslim preacher
Example;
Muslim preacher telling the world that killing homosexuals is ISLAM
The "ordinary " moderate muslim believe that it is somehow a act of compassion to kill homsexuals i.e "putting them out of their misery"
anecdotes
No. Facts;
Example;
Islam & Apostasy .
Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
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@TheRealNihilist
So not all Muslims back violence.
No one is suggesting or has suggested that. Stop playing victim on behalf of muslims , they do that quite good on their own and without the help of apologists such as yourself. It took only a few muslims to bring New York city, a population of 8 million, to its knees.
Not all Germans were Nazis, the majority were peaceful, but it didn't stop the minority causing the deaths of over 60 million men women and children of which 16 million were murdered in death camps. The majority were irrelevant.
For you to keep using that same old BS rhetoric of "not all muslims" is wearing extremely thin. There are a estimated 1.5 billion muslims in the world. Just 1 half of a % of that number amounts to 75 million muslims. So stop with your "not all muslims" because "A considerable portion [of muslims] back the violence " and do want to kill or convert every Westerner on the planet because their god instruct them to do so.
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@Alec
A considerable portion back the violence. Even Linda Sarsour, who is American supports Shariah law.
They love the milk and honey that western society bestows upon them for free and in return they preach about some other way of living.
Notre Dame Cathedral in Flames Following Months of Church Attacks in France
Ilhan Omar a Somali-American politician stated “some people did something”, when she referred to 9/11 at the Council on American-Islamic Relations in California. Her comments have outraged Americans. And rightly so.
This is not the first Church to be vandalized or set ablaze over the past few months, but it certainly is the most devastating. Newsweek just wrote an article a few weeks ago on how French Churches are being vandalized across France yet officials don’t know why. To confuse matters even more, just three days ago:
a jihadi terrorist woman was sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for involvement in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up the Notre Dame Cathedral with a car packed with gas canisters.
Three days later the Notre Dame is up in flames. Coincidence? Maybe. But there is a long list of Church attacks the past few Months across France and that certainly does not look like a coincidence.
A SEVEN day spree, of at least ten different incidents of vandalism, have seen Catholic churches targeted across France sparking fears of a fresh wave of anti-Christian sentiment in the country, including one church being defiled with human excrement.
Indeed they do love the milk and honey that western society bestows upon them for free and in return they preach about some other way of living.
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@TheRealNihilist
Well it should.
But it doesn't.
I would also like to add this which states right wing terror is on the rise
Add away until you little heart's content You may even be correct. And the rise would be caused by the increase in Islamic terror.
This is more of a problem than Islamic terror.
No, that is your opinion. And I don't give a toss about your opinion. Christianity has given me absolute Zero reasons to fear it whereas Islam has given me hundreds of reasons to fear it. Did you miss this?
List of Islamic attacks around the world commited by muslims
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@Snoopy
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It appears our Middle Eastern friends (of which the West has saved and given refuge to MILLIONS!) are not at all sympathetic to the destruction of Notre Dame's Cathedral.
They just know how to integrated and appreciate the western country that has over 4 million muslims; don't they?
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