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@FLRW
To quote your link.
In the ancient world, the concept of monotheism as we understand it today did not exist; all ancient people were polytheists. They may have elevated one god as higher than the others (henotheism) but nevertheless recognized the existence of divine multiplicity.
It is as I pointed out to you above at #15
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FLRW you are correct.
There is absolutely no evidence anywhere in the world that even indicates that monotheism came before polytheism. The Reverend, as usual, is speaking out of arse. But when doesn't he?
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Tradesecret wrote:There is much to say in the Scriptures about love. Sadly, most people are looking for ways to suppress the truth rather than learn from God.
Wouldn't you agree Brother D. that there is a lot that has been supressed by the Christians and the Christian church? How books many were left out? How many have been altered, doctored, expunged and rewritten? And how many books did they destroy.
These boys sum it up pretty well.
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@Best.Korea
@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
See post #11 above, Brother D.
MISS TRADESECRETS QUOTE TO YOU IN SHAMING YOU: "You never were a Christian except in your mind. I called you an Indian because for some reason you were ashamed of it." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10114/posts/416586
So in that quote above the Reverend Tradesecret , after explaining to us the meaning of Matthew 7:12 s/he admits to wilfully antagonising and insulting another member because he believes Best.Korea is ashamed of his nationality. Showing his full intention of deriding and upsetting and to mock another members ethnicity and beliefs.
. How terrible and cruel is that, Brother D.?
He just can't help putting both fkn feet into that pie hole of his can he?
I wonder if Lemming can see the nasty disgusting side to his heavenly hero, Tradesecret?
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Your post
Indeed Brother.
You'd think by now that the Reverend would have worked out how these names of gods are applied to living humans of status. I have given the clown many examples and many clues where this practiced is applied.
Even to this day Popes and nuns and all sorts of clergy apply this practice after they reach a certain degree in their chosen religions or holy orders on their ordination. i.e. they are renamed or they rename themselves after "the saints" and "angels".
This is an ancient practice that can be traced back to Abram that became Abraham. Jacob, that became Israel. etc etc.
But I think all of this is a little too deep for the Reverend Tradesecret, Brother D. So I'll leave it there.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
do to others what you would have them do to you, Matthew 7:12
If that wasnt in the bible , christians wouldn't " practice " it .
Well I can guarantee you that they all don't practice it, Deb.
See post #11 above.
Now I dont root my nextdoor neighbors wife .Never had, never would.Butttttt.Two doors down lives lizzy.Harolds wife.And Shes wild.And this im ok to do , because.she ain't me neighbors wife is she.No ,, she is notI just told you she lives a couple houses down the road.However, in doing Harolds wife.Harold is now free to do my misses.Because of the ( do to others ) clause.
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@Lemming
@Best.Korea
@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Tradesecret wrote @Best.Korea: It is saying, to treat others how you would like to be treated. There is nothing in there about expecting others to do what you want.The idea is simple. If you want to know how to love others - the way to do it is to treat others as you would like to be treated.If you want people to respect you, treat others with respect. Your duty is to show love. #3
One simply cannot catch ones breath! The Reverend Tradesecret here above has interpreted for us the meaning of the gospel passage from Matthew 7 12
Let us see and read what his real interpretation of the verse is as put to someone that he had never met but dared to question the scriptures and had only been on this forum a few months.
Our kindly resident Chaplain and Pastor the Reverend Tradesecret wrote:
Stephen, you are a; Stupidman. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. #161
Stephen, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over thepearls. #36
Stephen; Obviouslyyou are an idiot. #186
Stephen; theserpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow afterhim. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. Youknow like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24
Stephen; Areyou really this thick? #186
There is more of the barrage of unwarranted insults but I am sure the 5 above will suffice.... for now.
Indeed they were all uncalled for insults directed to me and I had never once before that time berated or insulted the Reverend Tradesecret.
Does this man/woman practice what s/he preaches to others?
It looks to me that Lemming had backed wrong horse , but I am sure he will deny and ignore this post.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen,Did you notice the following unchristian-like statement Miss Tradesecret made in her anti-bible post #8?!!!!!MISS TRADESECRET'S UNGODLY QUOTE RELATIVE TO THE BIBLE: "The Greek gods and the Roman gods are just like humans with their flaws - except they have superpowers. Superior to us in power, but still subject to the same flaws that humans have. This is the same for every other god except the God of the Bible."As usual, Miss Tradesecret continues to be this Religion Forum's #1 Bible Stupid Fool!
Well considering that I have quite a few run-ins with the Reverend Tradesecret over this very subject he seems now to be agreeing with what I have been saying all along from the day I joined here. After continually denying that the BIBLE itself mentions other gods.
What he doesn't seem to be able to get through that dense skull bone of his is that the Hebrew god clearly acknowledges these other gods as being the gods of other nations and religions. The Hebrew god is simply telling HIS /portion of people that he is their (allotted) god and they should have no other or worship any other.
The Hebrew god even instructs HIS (allotted) people "not to revile the gods of other nations or the kings" of other peoples Exodus 22:28. Hence the Hebrew god is clearly affording the gods of other nations due respect.
Its simply really. I am amazed it took so long for such an theologically educated and trained Pastor and tutor of religion to students such as the Reverend Tradesecret claims to be, to only now come to realise it and finally admit it. Even the bible mentions and recognises the Greek gods Jupiter and Mercury.
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@hey-yo
I did say above:
Stephen wrote: What ever could he have to say to them.We can be sure it won't be this.“A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 22:5 #1
It appears from your link that I was correct
Francis said, according to Cruz, who also said that the pontiff had the sensitivity to tell Vatican employees “to ask for their names, ask for anything they need, but do not ask them about their sex.”https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/07/02/pope-francis-transgender-vaccination-vatican-240974
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@Public-Choice
Public-Choice; Well, cults do what cults do.They do indeed. They also believe as they believe, such as three days old rotten stinking corpse's coming back to life.That a man died to exonerate all other men of their sins.That same man walked on water.The list is long and varied.Those other things are all true though.No. They are simply beliefs in unsupported claims.False. There's at least 7 historical accounts of Jesus,
Show me where I have said Jesus didn't exist.
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@Public-Choice
Public-Choice; Well, cults do what cults do.They do indeed. They also believe as they believe, such as three days old rotten stinking corpse's coming back to life.That a man died to exonerate all other men of their sins.That same man walked on water.The list is long and varied.Those other things are all true though.
No. They are simply beliefs in unsupported claims.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
And one word comes to mind.That being.( Double standards. )
That's two words, Deb.
I think one word would be, hypocrite.
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@Public-Choice
Well, cults do what cults do.
They do indeed. They also believe as they believe, such as three days old rotten stinking corpse's coming back to life.
That a man died to exonerate all other men of their sins.
That same man walked on water.
The list is long and varied.
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@Lemming
Stephen Continue to taunting and threatening me.#40
Lets see these "threats" that I have made against you. I am sure moderation will want to see your proof.
But I can tell them now, You won't find a single threat made by me towards a single member here since the day I joined.
So when you are ready, lets see your proof.
And when you can't, remember, it is an offence to wilfully and maliciously lie about another member with the intention of getting them banned.
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@Lemming
@Mr.BrotherD.ThomasI politely request that you leave me alone.
Then stop inciting others to round on other members.
You are quite good at taking offence on behalf of others aren't you, Lemming. It won't be the first time that you have egged on and encouraged members to report other members, will it?
Where is the "targeted harassment" that you seem to be claiming to witness?
I see nothing harassing in those posts, maybe a little rhetoric nothing more. Seth Brown a Christian, has made a clear reference to what he has called the "supposed resurrection" of Christ. Do you not see the problem with that? And in the same post he has referred to another member as an "idiot" for questioning the doubt about the resurrection in that comment? Your new pin-up even had the audacity to tell me :
Seth-Brown wrote: [Stephen] your pulling shit out of your ass, #41 <<<, another uncalled for insult that you overlooked Lemming .
Seth Brown a Christian has then gone on to suggest that the Brother has "no understanding of the bible" and the "OT covenant" in particular,<<< this is a challenge to a members biblical knowledge and his integrity. Are you saying that a member - the Brother in this instance- has no right to defend himself against his critics?
And you seem to have missed the point that Seth Brown a Christian has offered to put the bullets in for other members to fire at the Brother via private messages.#13 <<< This is encouraging a member to plie on another member on his behalf and all very cowardly, imo. And without looking is probably against C of C rules itself.
So unless you personally have any problems with another member , I politely suggest that you keep your shit stirring advice to others about reporting members to moderation to yourself.
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@Dynasty
Why do Muslims always deflect to the Bible?
Maybe it's because the Old Testamant is as bad and vile as the Quran. After the Mesopotamian creation epic (Genesis) its war , violence, bloodshed and conquest.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Unfortunately YouFound_Lxam never did have enough biblical sense to begin with.
Indeed Brother D. It Obviously it isn't enough that GOD " ate, drank and had his feet washed" in Abrahams tent. Or that Jacob physically" wrestled with god" and tells us that he "saw the face of god" or that Moses spoke with god "face to face", is it.
You have now also had to remind the bible dunce that Jesus is god.
There are few others too that seen him.
God Jesus that was also seen by a "multitude" of people including disciples, Mary Magdalene, Mary his mother, the wise men, John the Baptist, Lazarus, lepers, blind people, and once dead people. Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea, woman at the well, man at the pool, Priests, elders, Pilate, a cohort( 5,000) of Roman soldiers, two seditionist that hung next to him, and of course the Roman Longinus he that drove a spear in the side of god Jesus.
I apologise if I have missed anyone out, I'm a bit tired.
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@YouFound_Lxam
What happens to those that see gods face?Exodus 33:20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”This verse specifically is talking about how no one can see the full display of Gods glory,
I see. And the bible actually states this doe it? Or are you simply attempting to rewrite scripture?
Exodus 24:9-10 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel.Context:Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”Then Moses set out with Joshua his aide, and Moses went up on the mountain of God. He said to the elders, “Wait here for us until we come back to you. Aaron and Hur are with you, and anyone involved in a dispute can go to them.”When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it, and the glory of the Lord settled on Mount Sinai.In this specific example, the Lord allowed Moses to be in his presence. The Lord can do anything, and (I am no scholar), but I assume God separated the veil of man and God, for this specific example, as he does in the Bible later.
Well that is not what the bible states is it. It clearly says they all "saw god" and had a meal and a drink with him.
Genesis 12:7 The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring[ I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.The Lord can appear to you, without you physically seeing him.
Well again, the bible doesn't say that does it? If it was in another form, don't you think the scriptures would have made that clear as he was supposed to have done with Moses at their first meeting? And of course there is the meeting with Abraham where god had his feet washed and sat and ate and drank with him too.
Genesis 18:2-12
Genesis 32: 30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”Showing the Grace of God.
That maybe so. But Jacob tells us that he "saw the face of god" . Not to mention that he had physically wrestled with him and won.
Exodus 33:11-23 So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he would return to the camp, but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle.Context is that the tabernacle is where the presence of God was, and God only allowed those who were without sin, or sacrificed lambs for all of their sins could enter.
Oh please, stop it! read the bold underlined, it clearly says : the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.Talking about how no one has ever seen the infinite complexity of God, because we are finite, and God is infinite.
Again, you are reading something that simply isn't there.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.Again, infinite God, finite beings.
Stop trying to rewrite scripture. It a very bad habit you lot have when trying to defend the indefensible.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
I too wouldn't be surprised that Miss Tradesecret in one in the same to the equally Bible Fool Seth Brown, because for one reason, they BOTH run away from discussion when the BOTH of them are shown to be the total Bible Stupid fools that they truly are!
And to think that the person now calling himself Seth-Clown had the brass balls to say to me:
[Stephen] your pulling shit out of your ass, #41 <<<, another uncalled for insult that Lemming overlooked. I wonder if Lemming tack offence on my behalf and will encourage me to complain to the mods about harassment and bullying as he has done 3/4 other members?
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@FLRW
I don't know FLRW.
I am still waiting for explanations to my OP/
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Seth Brown is in HIDING
As I wrote above, Brother D.
Of all the things that Seth-Clown should have known it was that the Christ was to come of "the seed" of David. Its the kind of schoolboy error the Reverend Tradesecret makes every day. I wouldn't be surprised if they were one and the same person. 🤣🤣
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The Pope invites a busload of trannies to the Vatican
What ever could he have to say to them.
We can be sure it won't be this.
“A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 22:5
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I have lost count of how may times I have been told by Chaplains, Pastors and Priests and believers in general that god doesn't change his mind nor does he contradict himself.
So maybe the Christians here can straighten out for me some of the backpaddling and flip flopping in these verses.
Jeremiah 17:4 Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you. I will enslave you to your enemies in a land you do not know, for you have kindled my anger, and it will burn forever.”
Micah 7:18 Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
What happens to those that see gods face?
Exodus 33:20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
Exodus 24:9-10 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel.
Genesis 12:7 The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring[ I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.
Genesis 32: 30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
Exodus 33:11-23 So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he would return to the camp, but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
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@FLRW
FLRW wrote: It is believed that polytheism first appeared in the ancient Mesopotamian (specifically Sumer) .Tradesecret wrote: Monotheism existed prior to the notion of polytheism.
FLRW you are correct.
There is absolutely no evidence anywhere in the world that even indicates that monotheism came before polytheism. The Reverend, as usual, is speaking out of arse. But when doesn't he?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
A body of christ waffer taste EXACTLY like a body of david flavored waffer.
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@Best.Korea
I said I wouldnt make this post, yet here I amSo you lied.No surprise there. Christians lie all the time. They lie so much it makes sane person's head hurt.Tradesecret wrote: That's not a lie. He was forced to do something he didn't want to do -He felt he had no other choice if he wanted to pursue this topic.
So that was his "free will" clean out the window then. 🤣🤣
Where is Seth-Clown, anyway? Since I showed him for the complete and utter bible dunce that he is.
Of all the things that clown should have known it was that the Christ was to come of "the seed" of David. Its the kind of schoolboy error the Reverend Tradesecret makes every day. I wouldn't be surprised if they were one and the same person, BK.🤣🤣
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@FLRW
“Jesus cried out in a loud voice, 'Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? ' which is translated, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? ' ”
Indeed FLRW. Jesus soon lost his "mustards seed" size faith that day, didn't he?
Matthew 17:20
He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Can LEMMING spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
Certainly threw himself over the cliff edge, if you were to ask me, Brother D. For clearly inciting other members for his own ends.
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@hey-yo
YOU have ACCUSED ME of making "False Statements" and "contradictions". I have asked you four times to support your accusations, so, simply show them to me. Or simply stop telling blatant fkn lies.I said before I refer to other threads .So let me see these "other threads". Show me the contradictions and false claims that you continually accuse me of making.Im not listing topics from other threads here.
You don't have to.
Just post the links to the relevant posts that you claim are false and contradictory. .
Or simply admit that you cannot prove your own false accusations against me and are making up bullshit about me. And say sorry.
AND Hurry up . I haven't got all fkn night.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen,YOUR HONEST AND REVEALING QUOTE TOWARDS LEMMING: "You are quite good at taking offence on behalf oft others aren't you, Lemming. It won't be the first time that you have egged on and encouraged members to report other members, will it?"
And it wasn't the first time either Brother D. You may remember (because I do).
Lemming has a pattern of this behaviour . That is to say vindictively cause trouble for another member via fellow members here. And in the recent past has also egged on and encouraged both Critical-Tim and Public - Choice to report you to moderation. This in itself is nothing short of a instigated pile-on of another member in the guise of a 'concerned citizen', imo.
It is disgusting and cowardly behaviour from Lemming that has probably broke C of C rules itself.
Still, being the thick-skinned sob that I believe you are, I am sure it won't bother you too much.
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@hey-yo
YOU have ACCUSED ME of making "False Statements" and "contradictions".I have asked you four times to support your accusations, so, simply show them to me. Or simply stop telling blatant fkn lies.I said before I refer to other threads
So let me see these "other threads". Show me the contradictions and false claims that you continually accuse me of making.
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@Best.Korea
Tradesecretwrote: Curiouslyenough, I was a virgin when Christ saved me. I was around about8. #51
"8 years old"! What an absolute contradictory lying clown the Reverend Tradesecret is!
Well he didn’t stay “saved” for long did he.
What about all that “sexual deviancy and sexual experimentation you tell us all about? How old was you then 7!!!!
I have the receipts, Reverend, would you like to see them?
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@Lemming
Lemming #23
You are quite good at taking offence on behalf oft others aren't you, Lemming. It won't be the first time that you have egged on and encouraged members to report other members, will it?
Where is the "targeted harassment" that you seem to be claiming to witness?
I see nothing harassing in those posts, maybe a little rhetoric nothing more. Seth Brown a Christian, has made a clear reference to what he has called the "supposed resurrection" of Christ. Do you not see the problem with that? And in the same post he has referred to another member as an "idiot" for questioning the doubt about the resurrection in that comment?
Seth Brown a Christian has then gone on to suggest that the Brother has no understanding of the bible and the "OT covenant" in particular,<<< this is a challenge to a members biblical knowledge and his integrity. Are you saying that a member - the Brother in this instance- has no right to defend himself against his critics?
And you seem to have missed the point that Seth Brown a Christian has offered to but the bullets in for other members to fire at the Brother via private messages.#13 <<< This is encouraging a member to plie on another member on his behalf and all very cowardly, imo. And without looking is probably against C of C rules itself.
So unless you personally have any problems with another member , I politely suggest that you keep your shit stirring advice to others about reporting members to moderation to yourself.
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@FLRW
See the new movie, The Mission, to see how much God loves you.
"And into the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, I believed your rod and your staff would comfort me".... because I am stupid.".
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
@SethBrown
Forgetting that of the BIBLE states that the MESSIAH would be of "THE SEED" and bloodline of David. When these BIBLICAL facts were pointed out to you, you then switched your focus to Mary's bloodline. saying:I may be mistaken, I haven't seen a verse that says "The seed" specifically.Are you telling me that I am wrong? Or is it that you are just another bible basher that has never read the scripture for yourself but preach it to others regardless?I dont have a encyclopedic knowledge on the bible sadly, im not saying your wrong I just want you to show me the verse that says "the seed" (of david)
Well you are the one - a Christian that as put yourself up for defending and interpreting scripture, not to mention preaching what is and what isn't said and or meant in scripture. Don't you think you should know scripture yourself before even attempting to preach it to others ?
And what is worse, is that you have created a thread concerning scriptural matter that, through lack of your own knowledge of scripture, are incapable of supporting and or defending. And your other big failure was to start a thread on a subject that you hadn't even bothered to research before hand.
This thread was only 10 posts in when you were telling others they- "don't understand" and that they should - " read the bible educate themselves"#10 ? And accuse them of "embarrassing themselves" and that you are waiting for their "pathetic attempts to explain scripture" #20. And then go on to accuse them of using
"strawman arguments" simply for quoting the bible direct. #31
I just want you to show me the verse that says "the seed" (of david).
Then why didn't you simply ask in the first instance? And why haven't you even bothered to read the scripture for yourself to see if I am wrong or right, before your sly and veiled accusation of me being wrong?
This then is what is in contention:
Stephen wrote: Forgetting that of the BIBLE states that the MESSIAH would be of "THE SEED" and bloodline of David. #40
John 7:42 depending on which version you prefer>>>
Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? KJV
Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was? ASV
Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was? ERV
Did not the Writing say, that out of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem -- the village where David was -- the Christ doth come?' YLT
Now you answer me this! Who the fk is it that has "embarrassed themselves, hasn't "read the bible" and used "pathetic explanations" in an attempt to dig themselves out of a fkn great crater dug by their own hand.?
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@hey-yo
Ah so you are saying Christians claim Jesus is God, therefore we should only look at half of the source for their claim?I dont see your logic here.
Yes, well. You don't see much at all really, do you?
I didn't write that . Why are you editing what I have actually written.
The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else.Do you know who that was?In the words of you:Why are you editing what you have actually written?You very clearly claim the word love is only used once in O..T.
No. I have claimed 4 times now that that the GOD of the OT mentions the word only once. Look at the bold above that you have requoted.
And stop attempting to purposely misrepresent what I have wrote. I will reiterate AGAIN for you in capitals;
THE ONLY SIGNGLE TIME THAT THE OT GOD SPEAKES OF, OR USES THE WORD "LOVE" IS IN RELATION TO SOMEONE LOVING SOMEONE ELSE.
Why do we need a message like that; of God being quoted?
I don't want god being quoted by someone else FFS!. I want a biblical quote from the ot GOD himself where he HIMSELF speaks of his love for us. And of the 622,000 words that make up the OT you cannot find one. Accept it or deny it but it is a BIBLICAL FACT!
Psalm 63:3 "Because your steadfast love is better than life",. << OK, Is this god telling David that he loves him, Or is it David saying god loves him ?This is in response to you saying "love" is only in the o.t. once.
I know, but it isn't GOD speaking those words is it, you cretinous clown.
Again I quote you..The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else. #9I then asked you:Do you know who that was?You don't know so I will answer it for you.Genesis 22:2Love is used more than once.
BUT NOT BY GOD HIMSELF IS IT? FFS!!!! This is Isaiah speaking to his audience of gods love, it is not god himself IS IT!?
Do you have a biblical quote from the mouth of god himself?I dont know. Some say Isiah. 43.
So that is a no then. You can't give me a quote from the mouth of GOD himself. and if you read Isaiah for yourself , it is about gods punishment, why he allowed Judah to be conquered and decimated and why they ended up in exile in Babylon. <<<< Yes a lot of love going on there isn't there?
And I would like you to point out what you call my "contradictions" and "false statements" And I would like to defend against your accusations.I reference posts from several threads.
YOU have ACCUSED ME of making "False Statements" and "contradictions".
I have asked you four times to support your accusations, so, simply show them to me. Or simply stop telling blatant fkn lies.
If you wish to address the above comments for this thread, you are welcome to..
I have done.
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@SethBrown
Forgetting that of the BIBLE states that the MESSIAH would be of "THE SEED" and bloodline of David. When these BIBLICAL facts were pointed out to you, you then switched your focus to Mary's bloodline. saying:I may be mistaken, I haven't seen a verse that says "The seed" specifically.
Are you telling me that I am wrong? Or is it that you are just another bible basher that has never read the scripture for yourself but preach it to others regardless?
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
@ SethBrown: Are you too afraid to post your assumed rebuttal within your thread because you will be made the Bible Stupid Fool again, is that it?
Yes indeed Brother D. It called getting someone to take the leap before himself. All very cowardly.
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@IlDiavolo
the book of Enoc says more about UFO contact than faith, so it's cast out.
Enoch is interesting for a few reasons. One being that it tells the story of how the "son's of the gods" raped the daughters of men and were forced to marry them and were never allowed to return to their "heavenly stations". The reason was not because they had raped the daughters of men, but because they had defiled themselves by having sexual intercourse with them.
The bible plays down this episode seemingly to want to skim over the whole episode.
"The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose". Genesis 6:2 << and that is all we get on the matter.
Another reason is that it is riddled with astronomy. It speaks of the planets-"luminaries" and their orbits around the sun and movements in relation to one another. Their sizes. Their seasons. And much more. Indeed the ancients were obsessed with the "heavenly bodies" (astronomy) and the effects they understood they had on the Earth. They had mapped out the sky and divided into a zodiac of " 12 houses". : a star clock.
Historian Josephus speaks of "strange science" we know today as Astronomy and Astrology that was studied going back as far as the biblical Adam. Josephus in his Antiquities of the Jews relates that before the flood all that was known of astronomy was inscribed on two pillars, one made of brick and the other of stone, in order that this knowledge would survive the coming catastrophe.
I will be interested in your thread on the subject UFO contact when you start it. Be sure to tag me when you do.
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@hey-yo
I work things backwards sometimes. So ....Christianity builds itself on the bible as a whole. Why are you focusing on only the o.t.?
Well simply because Christians believe Jesus is also god. "the beginning and the end" the "alpha and Omega" the "first and the last".
I didn't write that . Why are you editing what I have actually written.
THS IS WHAT I HAVE ACTUALY WRITEN>>>>>>>>>Stephen wrote: The OT God doesn't even mention "his love" once. HERE>>> #9 #13 #17
You really aught to read what I have written. I have clearly emboldened and underlined three times in three different posts.
What about it?
Psalm 63:3 "Because your steadfast love is better than life",. << OK, Is this god telling David that he loves him, Or is it David saying god loves him ?
What do you want - a quote from God declaring love? Something like this?"I love you."
Do you have a biblical quote from the mouth of god himself?
""Family love" ; which has nothing at all to do with the OP's question...the love from a father, is used as analogies to describe God's love.
Is it? Give me biblical example of the OT god telling his creation that he loves them. I
I have had to educate youCan't educate someone who does not trust you.
Well I cannot think of a single reason for you not to trust me but you would be correct in your scepticism and right to question me concerning that which I have written on these boards.. But you must be sure to differentiate between "ME" ( whom you have never met face to face) and what I have written as a faceless person on a internet forum..
Me:
I don't need to believe just anything you say either.
You:
agree. And you'd be a fool to.Great. Since we agree. I see contradictions in what you say. I see false statments. I do not believe you. There you go.
I do agree. And standby what I have wrote. You would be foolish to simply take my word for anything I have written before checking it out for yourself and pressing me for answers that may arise from what I write. . . And I would like you to point out what you call my "contradictions" and "false statements" if you could. And I would like to defend against your accusations.
So when you are ready.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen,Do you think that the Bible STUPID Seth Brown was getting help from the #1 Bible Fool Miss Tradesecret upon this threads topic?
So much so that they could be the same dense clowns. Brother D.
OPTION 2. Since Mary is a LEVITE as shown in my post #25, that you continue to run away from at your embarrassing expense, therefore Mary is not from the lineage of King David, and where God forbid, Jesus had LEVITE blood in Him at birth!Biblical proof that Mary is a LEVITE: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10080/posts/415886
And being "born of woman" it would make him as riddled with sin as his mother.
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@hey-yo
You really are shite at knowing never mind understand anything about the bible. Why do you keep pretending that you do?I never said I knew everything..
And neither did I. I said "anything".
However I don't need to believe just anything you say either.
I agree. And you'd be a fool to.
In the last thread you provided x. I asked for evidence. Did not see that evidence given. So I called it out.
Which thread?
The OT God doesn't even mention "his love" once. The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else.Do you know who that was?Im just going to say no so you can get to your point.
The thread is about "gods love" not human family love.
But for reasons known only to yourself, instead of addressing the OP, you ask the OP three question of your own:
hey-yo wrote: Does your family love you?What does it mean for anyone to love you?How does family love you? #2
"Family love" ; which has nothing at all to do with the OP's question which is clearly concerned with "gods love" . And you have not given any reason why you appear to believe your questions answer the OP's question.
So bringing the thread back to it's original POINT! I have had to educate you about "gods love" which as I have explained is never mentioned anywhere in the OT.
HERE>> Stephen wrote: The OT God doesn't even mention "his love" once. The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else. #9
I then asked you:
Do you know who that was?
You don't know so I will answer it for you.
Genesis 22:2
2 “Abraham!” He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
So there is no one in any position to answer the OP's question because the BIBLE never once mentions GOD speaking of his love for us.
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@SethBrown
Joseph had absolutely nothing to do with the conception of Jesus No seed and no bloodline.. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES this.Answer me this, Yes or No? Is the bible telling the truth when it tells us this:"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit".That's the strawest straw-man to have ever been created. I never claimed david was involved, I argued marry would be descendent of david through marriage
No strawman, but some serious backpaddling going on there . In your op you have claimed to be able to show us and prove " how Jesus is of the flesh of david". #1
You even quoted Matthew 22:41–42) as some kind of evidence#1
SethClown wrote: Matthew 22:41–42) 41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them this question: 42 “What do you think of the Messiah? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.”
And confidently added,
SethClown wrote:" I think we can conclude from the bible that jesus is son of david, even if joseph's sperm wasn't the one that made jesus, since marry is of david from marriage.#1
Forgetting that of the BIBLE states that the MESSIAH would be of "THE SEED" and bloodline of David. When these BIBLICAL facts were pointed out to you, you then switched your focus to Mary's bloodline. saying:
SethClown wrote:I was missing something, I was ignorant and didn’t analyze the verse enough, read my 21st century view into the text. I re read it and realized marry is of David. #14
But that was bullshit too and can't help you either because it has been shown to you over and over again that she was a Levite and not of Judah.
No seed. No blood line . No messiah.
Now. Off you go and stop being petulant.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen,Seriously, have you ever seen such a Bible Stupid Fool like Seth Brown, other than Miss Tradsecret that is, and how this poor member grasped for the proverbial straws to try and prove his irrational point that Mary, even though she is a LEVITE, "by the flesh of marrying Joseph" is in the blood line of David to "try" prove that Jesus is the Messiah? Miss Tradesecret wouldn't allow herself to make such a stupid claim!
And all very Reverend Tradesecret, if you ask me Brother D.
Since I have shown that Mary is an outright LEVITE in my post #25, then the poor Bible fool Seth Brown does not have to embarrass himself BIOLOGICALLY anymore in coming up with the most laughable notions of having blood lines from Joseph and his Davidic line in Mary just being married to him!
But he will. He will simply go quote mining the www in the hope of coming up with more convoluted bullshite that he will dig him out of that fkn great crater he has dug for himself. they just cannot help themselves, Brother D.
Seth Brown, at his embarrassing expense, did give us a lot of laughter with his Bible Stupidisms®️ so we have to at least thank him for that!
Well it is not so much his idiotic barrel scraping for "proof "to be right. Its his outright denials of what is actually written in scripture that gives me the greatest laughter. Which again is all very Reverend-esqu. 😂
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@IlDiavolo
In fact, in several apocryphe gospels
In some of those gospels that you refer to, Mary's father was Joachim and her mother Anne both Levites.
My own personal belief was that Jesus and John the Baptist were more than likely fathered by the acting Gabriel, making them half brothers by the same father. Which is a common theme & tradition throughout the Old Testamant, Egyptian "mythology" and the Mesopotamian epics i.e. since the days of the biblical Adam and before.
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@hey-yo
I saw you mention in another thread you are athiest. Still are ?
Just answer the question , if you can.
The OT God doesn't even mention "his love" once. The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else.
Do you know who that was?
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@SethBrown
I feel as if I’m talking to a brick wall here.
And a "brick wall" of your own making. NONE of your claims will in any way make Jesus nor his mother of the line David. You can deny these BIBLICAL facts all day long but it won't change anything.
Joseph had absolutely nothing to do with the conception of Jesus No seed and no bloodline.. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES this.
Answer me this, Yes or No? Is the bible telling the truth when it tells us this:
"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit".
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@ponikshiy
No surprises then that our resident believers and biblical know-it - all's have declined my invitation above #32 to answer what should be for them, one of the most the simplest biblical questions posed over a week ago which was simply this:
I Hear the Phrase often " the war in heaven".
When did it happen? Who won? Or hasn't it happened yet?
Did a god "cast out satan", If so when and what for?
Who started the war? What was the war over?
So as usual, the cowards have left it to me to answer it for them. Or Jesus himself can answers it: HERE>>
Andfrom the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heavensuffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Matthew 11 King James Version (KJV).
So it appears then that it was Jesus' rival and enemy John the Baptist that was at the root cause of all the violence and sedition explained above. I think by now many understand that John the Baptist had a massive following of his own and well before his "cousin" Jesus appeared on the scene. Indeed at least some of Jesus' disciples came from among John's own army of disciples. And it is a fact that John was more of a firebrand than Jesus (on the face of it) and had sent disciples to "follow" Jesus where ever he went.
It shouldn't be forgotten that the bible reminds us often that simply being "born of women" makes all of making "sinful" .
So what does Jesus have to say about John the Baptist?
"For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
So here, according to Jesus, John the Baptist was the lowest of the low.
We also know that John himself denied being a prophet.
We also know that John the Baptist was of the clear understanding that it was Jesus that was that was supposed to have baptised him, hence the confrontation down at the River Jordan where John had been baptising his own disciples into his own movement.
We also know that John in his testimony after the fact also denied even knowing Jesus.
Let me explain the reason for what we today call "baptism" in those times. John was about to make his move on the temple and the temple authorities by entering the temple compound and the temple itself and "taking it by force" (remember Matthew 11:12 above) But neither he nor any of his army could enter into that holy place without first being cleansed: by ritual of Tevilah a full body immersion in water.
John wasn't washing away sins persay as the Christian will have us all believe. John a Levite priest, was purifying members of his massive army in preparation for his bid to become king and high priest of the "kingdom of heaven" which was another name for the temple.......
To be continued....
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@hey-yo
You really are shite at knowing never mind understand anything about the bible. Why do you keep pretending that you do?
The OT God doesn't even mention "his love" once. The only single time that the OT god speaks of, or uses the word " love " is in relation to someone loving someone else.
Do you know who that was?
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@SethBrown
Scraping the barrel and trying to crowbar in absolute convoluted bullshit won't get you away from the fact that Jesus was immaculately conceived so simply couldn't have been of the bloodline or of the seed of David.Yes it can, since his mother was still apart of David’s line through both blood and marriage.
Oh please stop with your convoluted bullshit!
You are simply making things up on the hoof. My wife doesn't become of my bloodline or of my seed simply because I married her. UNLESS she is my sister by the same father or that she was my own daughter! to begin with, you absolute clown.
Another important point you seem to have ignored is the BIBLICAL fact that Joseph and Mary were NOT married when Mary had conceived Jesus "immaculately".
Further the BIBLE clearly states that Mary was baffled and "troubled" by the whole processes because she says that she hadn't had sex with any man.
Luke 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”New International Version
And ANOTHER BIBLICAL point that you have let slip that dense skullbone of yours is the BIBLICAL fact that Joseph was about to call off the betrothal(engagement) and dump Mary when the news was broke to him that she was all ready with child.
Matthew 1
19 Her husband Joseph was an honourable man and did not want to disgrace her publicly. So he decided to break the marriage agreement(betrothal) with her secretly.
20 Joseph had this in mind when an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. The angel said to him, “Joseph, descendant of David, don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife. She is pregnant by the Holy Spirit.
So we clearly see, without your scrambling to prove that only YOUR version of events to be right, the BIBLE shows that YOUR convoluted bullshit to be nowhere near correct.
The only way that you could be anywhere near correct is for you to say the whole bible story of the conception and birth of Jesus is all made up mythology. And that the whole biblical story is simply about a man (king or not) that Christians has wrapped in a mythological cloak.
Which I would totally agree with.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
@SethBrown
the context says 2 flesh become 1 with marriage
Scraping the barrel and trying to crowbar in absolute convoluted bullshit won't get you away from the fact that Jesus was immaculately conceived so simply couldn't have been of the bloodline or of the seed of David.
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