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@rosends
Ex 22:28 is more complicated than that because the word "elohim" has a variety of meanings. The text reads "don't curse elohim."This is understood to be a statement EITHER of not cursing God, or not cursing judges.
The KJV suggests both, Rosi.
Exodus 22:28 King James Version. 28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
Nicodemus of the New Testament is said to be such a ruler/judge.
elohim
That would be plural.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Tell me, why would your god say on the one hand "do not make a covenant " with those you have called " false gods and idols" and on the other say "Thou shalt not revile these gods." Exodus 22:28 ?You're using a very weird translation for some reason.Original translation: “Do not blaspheme God[a] or curse the ruler of your people."
You just cannot help yourself can you? Its not MY translation you bible dunce. It is directly from your own preferred BIBLE!
Exodus 22:28 King James Version 28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
The BIBLE clearly refers to other gods. i.e. "let us go down and confuse their language" Genesis 11:7. How can a "false god" or "idol" do anything?
"The man has become like us". Genesis 3:22. Who are the "us"?
In the midst of the gods he holds judgment.” Psalm 82, Who are these gods that the lord "sat in the midst of"?
YouFound_Lxam wrote: I presume I will probably need to do research on some of the questions that come up, but nonetheless I will try to answer them, one way or another. #1
"One way or another" 😂. Yes, "another way" is by you trying to deny what is actually written in scripture. As I predicted you would here.>>#16
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@YouFound_Lxam
At the time, there were a lot of false Gods. When he says he is God of all Gods, he is referring to the false Gods that people perceive as Gods. Idols if you will.
Stop it! FFS!
The BIBLE clearly refers to other gods. i.e. "let us go down and confuse their language" Genesis 11:7. How can a "false god" or "idol" do anything?
"The man has become like us". Genesis 3:22. Who are the "us"?
In the midst of the gods he holds judgment.” Psalm 82, Who are these gods that the lord "sat in the midst of"?
These are not "idols" you clown and neither are they "false gods". Why would a god need to sit among "Idols" and "false gods"?
You are a typical bible dunce that cannot accept what the BIBLE actually states. I said above that you would simply flat out deny what the BIBLE states when I said above:
Stephen wrote: They will even go as far as to add to these scriptures and even deny that which is actually written. #16
Tell me, why would your god say on the one hand "do not make a covenant " with those you have called " false gods and idols" and on the other say "Thou shalt not revile these gods." Exodus 22:28 ?
revile
/rɪˈvʌɪl/
verb
- 1.criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner:
What would it matter that a man reviles what you call "false gods" and an "idol/s"?
You lost this argument the second you posted your OP. Just like you lost your maiden argument in the religion forum by claiming:
"God exists, and I Can Prove It".
That didn't age well either did it?
Two short planks doesn't even cover it!
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@Mps1213
What does that mean.
It means that your comment is perfectly true and accurate and deserves the highest mark possible
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@Mps1213
A+1
Now I’m sure you’re going to do what all Christian’s have to do to make the Bible make sense. You’re going to begin bending the meaning of words and passages in the name of interpretation or metaphor.
A+1. This is an often default of theist that haven't read the bible for themselves. They will even go as far as to add to these scriptures and even deny that which is actually written. Such as here:
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zedvictor4 wrote:If Cain was Number 3.Who did he procreate with when he was banished to Nod.YouFound_Lxam wrote: Not a contradiction, but more or less just a question. He most likely married a daughter of Adam.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Is there only one god according to the bible?
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. Deuteronomy 4:35The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. Deuteronomy 4:39
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. Deuteronomy 6:4
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me. Deuteronomy 32:39
The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. 1 Kings 18:39
I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10
I am the LORD, and there is none else ... There is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. Isaiah 44:8
I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me. Isaiah 45:5-6
There is no God else beside me ... There is none beside me. Isaiah 45:21
I am God, and there is none else: I am God, and there is none like me. Isaiah 46:9
The Lord our God is one Lord. Mark 12:29
There is one God; and there is none other but he. Mark 12:32
That they might know thee the only true God. John 17:3
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him. 1 Corinthians 8:6
More than one god
In the book of Genesis, God used a plural pronoun to refer to himself (herself, itself, or themselves), implying that there is more than one god up there.
And God said, let us make man in our image. Genesis 1:26And the Lord God said, Behold, then man is become as one of us, to know good and evil. Genesis 3:22
Let us go down, and there confound their language. Genesis 11:7
The Old Testament God is a "god of gods" who is worshiped by the other gods.
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords. Deuteronomy 10:17Worship him, all ye gods. Psalm 97:7
O give thanks unto the God of gods. Psalm 136:2
Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord. Psalm 86:8
He is better than the other gods.
Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? Exodus 15:11Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods. Exodus 18:11
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them. Exodus 20:3-5
Great is our God above all other gods. 2 Chronicles 2:5
Our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 135:5
The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. Jeremiah 10:11
The Hebrew God judges the other gods.
And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment. Exodus 12:12Upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments. Numbers 33:4
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods. Psalm 82:1
And will punish them.
I will punish the multitude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods. Jeremiah 46:25The Lord will be terrible to them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth. Zephaniah 2:11
He is a jealous God (whose name is Jealous). So he forbids us to "go after" or worship any of his competitors.
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. Exodus 34:14Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you.) Deuteronomy 6:14-15
Thou shalt not ... go after other gods to serve them. Deuteronomy 28:14
If you give God glory, he'll go easy on you and all your other gods.
Ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel: peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods. 1 Samuel 6:5And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt. Jeremiah 25:6
But you must fear God more than all the other gods.
The Lord ... is to be feared above all gods. 1 Chronicles 16:25For the Lord ... is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 96:4
Don't sacrfifice to any of the other gods. (Or God will kill you.)
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Exodus 22:20
Don't put any of the other gods before him.
Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Deuteronomy 5:7
Don't make a covenant with them.Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. Exodus 23:32
Don't burn incense to them.I will utter my judgments against them ... who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods. Jeremiah 1:16
Or even mention their names.Make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth. Exodus 23:13
Put away your father's gods.Fear the Lord ... and put away the gods which your fathers served. Joshua 24:14
And stay away from the god named Chemosh.Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? Judges 11:24
But don't revile the other gods.Thou shalt not revile the gods. Exodus 22:28
Other people served other gods (as did Abraham's father Terah).Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. Joshua 24:2
And a witch once saw gods going up to heaven.And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 1 Samuel 28:13
Always remember that people are gods too. (Jesus used this when he was accused of making himself a god.)I have said, Ye are gods. Psalm 82:6The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? John 10:33-34
And the three gods in heaven are really only one god. (Don't worry about this one too much. It's a mystery.)For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
When you are ready.
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@TheMorningsStar
Tradesecret wrote: But your suggestion that orgies are fun is simply a presumption on your part. I hate the idea personally.
This from the man that claims to have "sexually experimented in all kinds of ways" and that also claims to be a Pastor to a congregation of "over 300 worshipers" and "a Chaplain to his counties Armed Forces".
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Tradsecrete wrote: @ludofl3x
(A) I Yet there is no evidence of any such thing occurring in the Bible.(B)Again there is nothing in the Bible that supports such a position.(C) this sort of attitude is foreign to what the bible says.
Ok, are you saying that if its not in the BIBLE it can't be true?
I take the view that the vast majority of people will end up going to heaven than to Hell. But I still think that many will end up in Hell.
And the BIBLICAL evidence for this is what, exactly?
Heaven and Hell are not just places of rewards and punishments. They are also places of relationships.
And is this alluded to in the BIBLE- if so where ?
my father-in-law hated God with all of his breath. He didn't want a relationship with God and didn't want to spend time with him here on earth. And couldn't stand the thought of spending eternity with him. Of course, he decided God wasn't real and that heaven and hell didn't exist.
So your Father-in-law hated a god and " he decided God wasn't real and that heaven and hell didn't exist". You do see the ridiculousness of the underlined in your comment, surely?
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@zedvictor4
Good Morning to you Vic, lad.
Hope you and yours are all doing well.
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@zedvictor4
Educated does not necessarily mean clever.
A+1
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@Sir.Lancelot
YOUR QUOTE THAT SHOWS MUSLIMS ARE SCARED KILLERS: "ISIS terrorists plotting 'big attack' on UK soil as spies uncover chilling plans."
It wasn't my quote; but I have no reason to disbelieve it.
When those pseudo-muslim men and their sickening Islamic faith find their "family jewels," and show up here, me and Jesus will make quick work of them and their evil god Allah. Praise!!
Nice to know.
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@Path2Paradise
Wondering if theres any Twelver Shias hereStephen wrote: Are the Shiites the ones that use whips and chains and slice themselves on the forehead — in a ritualistic punishment their bodies?blood letting is called "tatbir" and not many shias do it, most shias like me do "latum" or "sine-zani" which means chest beating, and we do on ashura (in 20 days i think) in order to mourn the death of Imam hussein (Aleyhis salam), who is the grandson of Prophet's Muhammad (SAWS), He died at Karbala as a martyr. Hope this explains it for you
"Explains"? Is all this has done for me, is confirm for me what an absolutely outdated and savage bloodthirsty ideology Islam is. I mean how does it serve anything or anyone to stand there in the street whipping one's self with chains and cutting one's self with blades and in front of children too? Why not a public holiday in "respect" or "mourning" in remembrance for your hero "martyr"?
The battle of Karbala; this was Muslim "Brother" against Muslim "Brother" wasn't it?
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.......they haven't gone away.
"ISIS terrorists plotting 'big attack' on UK soil as spies uncover chilling plans.
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@Path2Paradise
Wondering if theres any Twelver Shias here
Are the Shiites the ones that use whips and chains and slice themselves on the forehead — in a ritualistic punishment their bodies?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
To call these perverts out just months ago would have branded me a bigot , a homophobe and anti transsexual.You’re a bigot, a homophobe and anti-trans
I would have thought that a man of your calibre would have been able to squeeze in somewhere the false accusation of "racist " too.
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@DavidAZ
But I do appreciate your ability to think.
And it is a shame that you will never be able to give me cause or reason to return the compliment.
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@DavidAZ
I can barely tolerate Stephen's posts
No one is forcing you or compelling believe never mind to read and "tolerate" my posts, Reverend.
I am trying to sharpen my mind.
Well you need a good wet stone to do that. Something you will never possess.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Face the facts.
You are supporting a load of perverts by their own admission.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
This is literally 2 years old. You have been in the religious section a long time...
This wasn't two years ago.
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To call these perverts out just months ago would have branded me a bigot , a homophobe and anti transsexual.
Well hear from the horses mouth:
Amazes me that people have fell for the old three card of these perverts purposefully conflating a drag act for entertainment with perverted transsexuals who intend children harm.
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@Best.Korea
Best.Korea wrote: Mark of the BeastStephen wrote: Do you even know what or who the number of the beast is?Best.Korea wrote: I dont know. There are theories, such as false Bible being the mark of the beast...666 doesnt tell us much, to be honest.
Are you telling me that the bible doesn't tell you who or what the "the beast" is?
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@Best.Korea
Best.Korea wrote: Mark of the BeastStephen wrote: Do you even know what or who the number of the beast is?Best.Korea wrote: I dont know. There are theories, such as false Bible being the mark of the beast...666 doesnt tell us much, to be honest.
Are you telling me that the bible doesn't tell you who or what the "the beast" is?
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@Best.Korea
Do you even know what or who the number of the beast is?
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@Barney
Pot V Kettle.That’s just a what about ism. It doesn’t actually defend one action, to say an unrelated action was also bad; not even were the other action worse.E.g., O.J. Simpson does not become innocent on account of Charles Manson also killing people.
I agree. But I am sure it was the practice of those times, as despicable as it were. And I wasn't defending it, Barney.
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@oromagi
@Best.Korea
Sorry but homosexuality is wrong.
It is, if the bible and the true word of god is to be taken seriously?
I have every right to say that homosexuality is wrong by the Bible.
Indeed you do. And the bible does say so. God - according to the bible- calls it "an abomination" and a sin worthy of "death". There is no getting away from this BIBLICAL fact as much as the Christian community attempt to excuse it, ignore it and sweep it under the carpet as if god hadn't even mentioned is at all.
I have said it many times since I have been a member of this forum: that this is what comes of Christians that have adopted an ancient god they new nothing of, from a time they knew nothing of and a culture they knew nothing of.
oromagi wrote: Jesus would want you to think for yourself.
Strange thing to assert considering that religion is all about obedience to god and his word. Acts 5:29
But then, as per usual, this goes on to be contradicted elsewhere in scripture. Titus 3:1
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@oromagi
In Mohammed's own time, Mohammed's conduct was moral and legal, no?
It probably was in Old Persia (Arabia) as it was anywhere else in the Near and Middle East. Mary was a "young girl" at the time the acting Gabriel impregnated her. The New Testament is careful not to mention her age but it is highly probable that she was between only 12 and 14 years of age. So given these circumstances and cultures of the time it appears to be a case of Pot V Kettle.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
If you stay here to be easily ridiculed again and again and again regarding your sickening CHILD MOLESTING Islam faith, then you are LYING when you said you would leave!
Muslims are allowed to tell lies as long it is to save their own skin and further the cause of Islam, Brother D.
Didn't the 19 faced St Paul do the same?
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@DavidAZ
I know Job was rewarded for his actions though.
How was he rewarded? God replaced his children and all his live stock. OH WELL, THAT'S OK THEN. THAT WAS VERY GENEROUSE OF HIM WASN'T IT.!??
This is exactly what I mean when I say life is cheap to your god. So cheap that he would go to the extremes of murdering ten children to prove a point.
Your mind is as sick as your gods.
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@DavidAZ
Stephen wrote: Well lets not forget the wager the "lord" had with Satan (whom he also created). The mental torture that the "Lord" allowed this loyal servant of loyal servants Job to be put through and all for a bet. So I am sure that it is no great push to assume that the "lord" would also do things for his own pleasure and entertainmentDavidAZ ? wrote: Also true. It does bother me that God would "bet" that Job would stay faithful throughout the whole ordeal. I cannot rationalize that in my mind. Almost makes me not want to reach top standing with God just so I won't have my life destroyed and put back together because two battling forces decide to use my life as a wager.But I wouldn't consider this a "for his pleasure with evil" point. More like a "I told you so".
Well it appears to me that wagering at the cost of lives without batting an eyelid shows to me that the lives of children are literally ten a penny to the "lord" and all so the "lord" could say "I told you so"! ? Life is cheap to this god, make no mistake about it.
I wonder, did the "lord" take any pleasure in being right?
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@ludofl3x
DavidAZ ? wrote: My view has always been that God created evil, per the passage that Stephen gave, and the reason he did it was to give us a choice. Choose good or choose evil.ludofl3x wrote: Fair enough. But if you can't speculate on why he chose to provide these options, how can you rule out that "for his pleasure" is one option?
Well lets not forget the wager the "lord" had with Satan (whom he also created). The mental torture that the "Lord" allowed this loyal servant of loyal servants Job to be put through and all for a bet. So I am sure that it is no great push to assume that the "lord" would also do things for his own pleasure and entertainment.
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@ludofl3x
@DavidAZ
DavidAZ wrote: Can you find your passage that God created evil for his pleasure?ludofl3x wrote: Given any thought to that "problem of evil" we talked about? I only ask because this question reminded me of it. That doesn't address the 'why' though. I guess I would ask do you think god created evil?
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
That doesn't address the 'why' though.
The bible doesn't say.
As for an answer to this question; my shot in the dark would be to make us totally dependent on him, (so much for "free will").
One has to look at the "lords" prayer and the line; "do not lead us into temptation but deliver us from evil".
9 Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6:9-13
But then this raises another problematic question, doesn't it?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen,Why do you think it is taking n8nrgim THREE DAYS to address your post #11, and my post #13?! Do you think that he is frantically going through his Satanic and ungodly Apologetic Books to come up with a direct answer to said posts so as not to be made the BIBLE STUPID FOOL AGAIN in front of the membership?
I don't know Brother D. I doubt he's read any theological works and that includes the bible. My guess he is trawling the internet with other members of his faith in the hope of finding something - anything, that will save his embarrassment.
It is as I said and predicted here in this exchange I had with him, Brother D.:
06.17.2023n8nrgim wrote: can you prove otherwise? usually when this topic comes up, atheists just spam a bunch of alleged contradictions, but they all depend on how you interpret them. they let the debate get lost in the weeds,06.17.2023Stephen wrote: And when Christians are given the chance to offer what they believe to be the correct "interpretation" and or context, they fall at the first fence.
That ^^^ was 18 days ago.
It amazes me that they throw down these challenges and then throw in the towel at the first obstacle if they can't bullshit and or blatantly lie their way out of it.
And he had the fkn audacity to say this to me!:
n8nrgim wrote: i asked for three examples that someone is willing to defend to be clear contradictions. you are the one dancing around the topic. either put up, or shut up.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
n8nrgim likes to be shown to continually be the Bible Fool by running away from his own topic like he did with your post #8, where you gave him contradictions, but yet, he can't BLATANTLY explain them away like he said he would do,
Brother, it is exactly what I had to explain to the bible dunce Rieka in the link below where I had to point out the hypocrisy of another bible dunce YouFound_Lxam , where Rieka accused me of "creating problems" . I said in reply:
Stephen wrote: "It appears to me that the problems lie with those that claim things such as ' there is a lot of evidence to support the resurrection' #28 and then do not provide the evidence that they claim exists when asked".
n8nrgim, it appears, Brother D, seems to have fallen at the first fence too, as predicted.
And you beat me to it with this one Brother D.
I was hoping that he was going to also explain this blinding biblical contradiction, also from John's gospel:
"No man hath seen God at any time."1 John 4:12
Adam seen God face to face and spoke often with him in the garden.
Moses seen god and spoke with god face to face "as one would with a friend.
Eve seen god and spoke to him face to face in the garden.
Jacob also seen god and "wrestled physically wrestled with him".
Elijah also seen god face to face.
What did we expect from a pseudo-christian like n8nrgim that has NO BIOGRAPHY whatsoever because he is too embarrassed about himself to give one? LOL!
Well to be honest, I did expect a little more that what I got and I shouldn't have.
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@Best.Korea
Wouldn't your all powerful god see through the fraud?God would know, of course, that the only reason you are refusing to sin is because you have considered the possibility of God.
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One has to have reason to believe. An atheist doesn't simply start believing . Simply "considering" a god exists is not even close to believing ..
Your argument is as dumb as Pascal's wager.
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@Best.Korea
Wouldn't your all powerful god see through the fraud?
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@n8nrgim
the gospel of john is poetic, and discusses mysteries that depend on the context. i mean you are citing verses that you claim are contradicting each other right in the same chapter or thereabouts or the same book, i would think you'd give the book a little more credit and find something more of a slam dunk. why didnt you find something more clear like "moses was a jew" v "moses was not a jew". ? it looks like you aren't even trying to be open minded about context or interpretation.Context, context, context, context,
Why do you not simply explain to us all reading here why you believe the verses I offered here #8 are not contradictions? And how you personally interpret them? And why you have reached your conclusions?
OR as you say: "Put up or shut up"!#5
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@n8nrgim
i already stated my position. my position is that there are things that look like they are probably contradictions, but they depend on how you interpret them. if your position is that there are clear contradictions, i asked for three examples that someone is willing to defend to be clear contradictions. you are the one dancing around the topic. either put up, or shut up.
Ok. Lets take three examples that you asked for and from just one of the gospels and by JESUS HIMSELF!.
Equal then not equal
John10:30 " I and the Father are one".
John14:28 “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .
I judge then I don't judge
John5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".
John8:15 " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
John12:47 " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.
John8:14 “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".
John5:31 “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.
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@n8nrgim
can you prove otherwise? usually when this topic comes up, atheists just spam a bunch of alleged contradictions, but they all depend on how you interpret them. they let the debate get lost in the weeds,
And when Christians are given the chance to offer what they believe to be the correct "interpretation" and or context, they fall at the first fence.
@FLRW can't you do as i requested and pick your strongest three and then defend your position?
It is for you to defend your position and your own interpretation when these biblical contradictions are raised and why according to you they are not contradictions.
Are you claiming that there aren't any contradictions at all in the scriptures?
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@Rieka
What you're doing is harassing everybody who answers.
Nope.
There has been a point in my life where I wondered if He didn't exist, and all the evidence I've found points to His existence.
I have no reason to believe Jesus didn't exist. So you have no argument there.
Please stop trying to create problems.
It appears to me that the problems lie with those that claim things such as ' there is a lot of evidence to support the resurrection' #28 and then do not provide the evidence that they claim exists when asked.
This debate isn't about trying to criticize people for their beliefs,
I have no problem whatsoever with your faith and your beliefs. My problem is and always has been the scriptures themselves.
the title says "Given what you know about Christianity, What Are Logical Reasons You Won't Become A Christian?" Debate about that.
Apart from the fact that I gave my reply to and addressed the OP, here>> #9. The author of the OP @YouFound_Lxam shouldn't introduce other aspects i.e "evidence for the resurrection" in to the conversation that cause the thread to drift slightly in other directions and stick to the theme of his own thread. Shouldn't he?
Off you go now.
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@YouFound_Lxam
There isn't any concrete factual evidence that the resurrection of Jesus Christ did happen, but there is a lot of evidence to support it.Such as?#28Literally read the post dude.
I did read it "literally". And I am asking you where is the "lot of evidence" that supports the resurrection"?
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@Rieka
I am and have been raised to be one [a Christian], but I know that if I wasn't with the family and circumstances I'm in, I probably wouldn't be one.
Which clearly suggests that you are incapable of thinking for yourself and do not have your own mind.
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@YouFound_Lxam
There isn't any concrete factual evidence that the resurrection of Jesus Christ did happen, but there is a lot of evidence to support it.
Such as?
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@YouFound_Lxam
what are logical reasons you won't become a Christian?
Because Jesus was a Jew. Nowhere in the four gospels does the word-" Christian " even appear. And the word Christian only appears 3-4 times after the crucifixion.
Jesus failed on all count to fulfil what was expected of a "Messiah".
Jesus was man that believed, or was led to believe that he was rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem and the title "son of god".
PS: I was Christened in infancy but have never been a practicing Christian. And after reading and studying "religion", the NT in particular there is nothing at all in all of those 7959 verses that convinces me that I should become a practicing Christian and neither did any amount of brainwashing by haughty 'holier than thou' Pastors or Priests.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Whereas she [ RIEKA'S] states that she is losing "brain cells" when reading my godly passages,
One has to be in possession of said brain cells in the first place for one then to lose them, Brother D.
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@Rieka
Being as powerful and desiring such are two different concepts. Satan is certainly not as powerful,
Listen thicko.
Satan was in such a high position that he was able to challenge and tempt the "son of god". Or the whole story is bullshite.
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@Rieka
“Gnostics” isn’t a book in the Bible lol
Yes I know . But the Gnostic gospels do infract paint another picture the one in the NT showing a more truer side the the nature and character of these chosen inner circle.
Oh, and stop lying about yourself. We already have a grand master of compulsory lying here on the forum. And you probably know him very well.
You’re really going to tell me to shut the fuck up, asshole?
No. The bible does that, thicko. 1 Timothy 2:11-12
I have never seen a pastor curse at anyone,
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@Rieka
trying to make me feel like a fool?
Well in all honesty. Its not hard going by your own ranting posts.
And if you ever get around to reading the Gnostics, you will read just how misogynistic Peter really is; he believed women "are not worthy of life".
And Paul spoke of women as second class and below men according to the New Testamant.
Oh, and stop lying about yourself. We already have a grand master of compulsory lying here on the forum. And you probably know him very well.
You’re really going to tell me to shut the fuck up, asshole?
No. The bible does that, thicko. 1 Timothy 2:11-12
I have never seen a pastor curse at anyone,
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@BrotherD.Thomas
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there is the example of the Israelites who were 20 and under - in the time of Caleb and Joshua, who were not held accountable for their generation's sin.
What a complete load of old bollocks! S/he just can't help herself and is once again displaying her bible duncery , Brother D.
What about the children that were ripped to shreds for simply calling someone childish names? As children often do!!
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@PREZ-HILTON
Why the "celebration" every other fkn day?
I don't care how "proud" a homosexual is about someone hanging out the back of him. I don't care that a lesbian likes to bury her face between another woman's turkeys wattles.
FFS!
Give over.
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@IlDiavolo
The problem that we higher educated, being more intelligent, more advance than those of ancient peoples have, is that we would have to ask , is it one of theirs or one of our own?
Have you read the 1970's Chariots of the Gods? It poses some brilliant questions.
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